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I searched for a thread couldn't find any.. what are yours?
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The crowd not only popped during the Road Warriors' entrance music but all during the match. The NWA was so much better at this time then the Saturday morning cartoon WWF !
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I remember sitting down at home and popping when hhh came back.
That was awesome!
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Anything Eddie Guerrero.
Guy was awesome.
RIP.
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ANYTIME hogan hit the ring whether it was Yellow & Red or NWO.
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Flair in the Carolinas.....places always went crazy.
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Ultimate Warrior in 1989 was insane for crowd reaction. watch the end of this match with Rude:
Hogan returns at WM21:
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Hogan slamming Andre:
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Hulk Hulking up on the Rock in Toronto: (I was there for this one!)
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another pop for a star that people criticize yet he receives more of a crowd reaction than anyone in the business can even come close to today:
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another pop for a star that people criticize yet he receives more of a crowd reaction than anyone in the business can even come close to today:
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Wrong. Stone Cold Steve Austin got the loudest pops. Warrior got pops 1988-1991. Austin got pops 1997-2003. Austin wins, Warrior is just a flash in the pan.
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i think the biggest ever intial pop was for c. m.punk the first time he ever came out people seemed to love the guy, which i thought pretty unusual for a guy i never saw before. triple h got a pretty good pop when he came back after his injury{ies} esp with the build up videos to the u2 song a beautiful day, very inspirational to say the least.
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i think the biggest ever intial pop was for c. m.punk the first time he ever came out people seemed to love the guy, which i thought pretty unusual for a guy i never saw before. triple h got a pretty good pop when he came back after his injury{ies} esp with the build up videos to the u2 song a beautiful day, very inspirational to say the least.
3 biggest pops ever where from Austin, Hogan and Warrior (Warrior only in 1988-1991 first WWE run).
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I agree with that.
check out the ovation for Warrior at the beginning of the Summerslam 89 match (around 7:30)
its total crazy. almost drowns out Tony and Jesse:
john cena, eat your heart out LOL
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The crowd not only popped during the Road Warriors' entrance music but all during the match. The NWA was so much better at this time then the Saturday morning cartoon WWF !
Amen. Road Warriors were the best ever.
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The guy did get huge reactions...It lasted the whole match
Flair beating Harley Race..
The Road Warriors at Summerslam 1992
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At 5:43
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I think the biggest pops were whenever salvodore sincere came out.
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I agree with that.
check out the ovation for Warrior at the beginning of the Summerslam 89 match (around 7:30)
its total crazy. almost drowns out Tony and Jesse:
john cena, eat your heart out LOL
I think UW is very, very under rated as a performer and a popper to the crowd. Biggest problem is that his real bad attitude, arrogance and ego have gotten so many people to hate his guts that they forget that he was actually a big name back in the day. He definately left his thumb print in the world of wrestling.
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The problem with Warrior was that he absolutely couldn't wrestle a lick and refused to be a good student......he could pop a crowd with his entrance, much credit is due to VKM for that also, but that was it.....no great matches on his resume.....not one. Combine that with his ego and you have someone that people are quick to forget about.
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The problem with Warrior was that he absolutely couldn't wrestle a lick
no great matches on his resume.....not one.
I respectfully disagree.
Warrior had many great ppv matches and showed a varied move set in many of them.
see: Warrior vs Rude at SS89
Warrior vs Savage at WM7
Warrior vs Savage at SS91
Warrior vs Hogan was not the most scientific match, but it had drama and it wasn't all from Hogan.
Hell, just google Warrior vs Dibiase from Sat. Night main event on youtube. Warrior even does a SUNSET FLIP.
yes, you read that right.
yes, if he was facing Andre or dino bravo, of course his matches sucked.
but when he faced someone with some actual ability, he had a great match.
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I respectfully disagree.
Warrior had many great ppv matches and showed a varied move set in many of them.
see: Warrior vs Rude at SS89
Warrior vs Savage at WM7
Warrior vs Savage at SS91
Warrior vs Hogan was not the most scientific match, but it had drama and it wasn't all from Hogan.
Hell, just google Warrior vs Dibiase from Sat. Night main event on youtube. Warrior even does a SUNSET FLIP.
yes, you read that right.
yes, if he was facing Andre or dino bravo, of course his matches sucked.
but when he faced someone with some actual ability, he had a great match.
I'll have to look at some of those, although it appears by the list you have that he was probably carried to decent matches by superior workers.....all I can rememeber is him charging the ring, pulling the ropes up and down, clotheslining people and then press slamming them.... :-\
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, although it appears by the list you have that he was probably carried to decent matches by superior workers
it takes two to have a great match.
Warrior had ability but it wasn't showcased against guys like Andre and Earthquake.
it came out in matches like those I listed.
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A good worker is able to have a good match with anyone.
His greatest matches will be with someone who compliments his skill set.
A lot of people criticize Hogan's ability to work.
While Hulk vs. Andre was built more on image & hype, remember that Hulkster took a 300lb. guy with a lazy eye & "0" wrestling experience OF ANY KIND and drew good money in a high-profile program a short time later.
UW didn't have Hogan's aptitude in that respect.
If he did, then they would have given him Hogan's money & spot.
They gave him the "ultimate chance" at Mania 6, which was a good effort, but it wasn't long before the Hulk was put back in the driver's seat - and with good reason.
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The Ultimate Blowjob :-X
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Hey, it's only gay if...
Nevermind.
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it takes two to have a great match.
Warrior had ability but it wasn't showcased against guys like Andre and Earthquake.
it came out in matches like those I listed.
Here is an example of a match I pulled on youtube...
monty can weigh in , as he knows far more than me, but other than the big entrance UW just looks lost as he does a double body slam that goes nowhere and just walks around the ring like he doesn't know what to do. And his "selling" was awful. Look at how he doesn't sell any of Rudes punches, etc... even when he is trying to. When he stomps Rude in the corner, he doesn't even stomp with his off foot to give some sound and thump.....the guy just looks like a green indy performer with a good build.
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He's lucky Rude didn't knock his teeth out.
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Quite some time ago, I posted the question: who’s the better worker between Hogan & HBK.
About 7 or 8 smarks immediately jumped in and attacked my understanding of “the biz.”
Unfortunately, the only thing they were capable of doing was incontrovertibly defending their boy-toy and instead asking how I could be so ignorant to ask such a question.
I was trying to convey the point that THERE ARE DIFFERENT STYLES AND COMBINATIONS OF WORKING that constitute a good worker - a point that flew completely over their heads.
There are good mic workers, aerial workers, ground workers…lots of different categories.
Overall, the money a guy draws is usually a good indication of the quality of worker he is.
The Malenko’s were very good technical workers, but how many asses did they put in the seats?
Rock did three moves and drew HUGE MONEY!
Shawn was great, but his total value never came close to Hogan.
He smoked Hogan in the technical department, but Hogan destroyed him on most everything else.
Hopefully, that explains where I’m coming from.
Unless discussing a specific aspect of performing, you have to look at the entire picture when grading a worker.
Ultimate Warrior excelled in areas like “ring entrance” and “looks,” which accounts for the pops & t-shirt sales.
Unfortunately, his weaknesses overshadowed his good attributes.
The value of the sum of his qualities never equaled Hogan’s, and that’s what kept him from Hogan’s level.
His ego and shitty attitude likely started when he felt he deserved the Hogan treatment because he was as good.
The fact is he was never as good as Hogan.
Hogan never did the “Triple Lindy” bullshit off the top rope, and neither did UW.
The difference is Hogan never had to do that stuff, while UW didn’t have enough to substitute his shortcomings.
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Quite some time ago, I posted the question: who’s the better worker between Hogan & HBK.
About 7 or 8 smarks immediately jumped in and attacked my understanding of “the biz.”
Unfortunately, the only thing they were capable of doing was incontrovertibly defending their boy-toy and instead asking how I could be so ignorant to ask such a question.
I was trying to convey the point that THERE ARE DIFFERENT STYLES AND COMBINATIONS OF WORKING that constitute a good worker - a point that flew completely over their heads.
There are good mic workers, aerial workers, ground workers…lots of different categories.
Overall, the money a guy draws is usually a good indication of the quality of worker he is.
The Malenko’s were very good technical workers, but how many asses did they put in the seats?
Rock did three moves and drew HUGE MONEY!
Shawn was great, but his total value never came close to Hogan.
He smoked Hogan in the technical department, but Hogan destroyed him on most everything else.
Hopefully, that explains where I’m coming from.
Unless discussing a specific aspect of performing, you have to look at the entire picture when grading a worker.
Ultimate Warrior excelled in areas like “ring entrance” and “looks,” which accounts for the pops & t-shirt sales.
Unfortunately, his weaknesses overshadowed his good attributes.
The value of the sum of his qualities never equaled Hogan’s, and that’s what kept him from Hogan’s level.
His ego and shitty attitude likely started when he felt he deserved the Hogan treatment because he was as good.
The fact is he was never as good as Hogan.
Hogan never did the “Triple Lindy” bullshit off the top rope, and neither did UW.
The difference is Hogan never had to do that stuff, while UW didn’t have enough to substitute his shortcomings.
Spot on
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Quite some time ago, I posted the question: who’s the better worker between Hogan & HBK.
About 7 or 8 smarks immediately jumped in and attacked my understanding of “the biz.”
Unfortunately, the only thing they were capable of doing was incontrovertibly defending their boy-toy and instead asking how I could be so ignorant to ask such a question.
I was trying to convey the point that THERE ARE DIFFERENT STYLES AND COMBINATIONS OF WORKING that constitute a good worker - a point that flew completely over their heads.
There are good mic workers, aerial workers, ground workers…lots of different categories.
Overall, the money a guy draws is usually a good indication of the quality of worker he is.
The Malenko’s were very good technical workers, but how many asses did they put in the seats?
Rock did three moves and drew HUGE MONEY!
Shawn was great, but his total value never came close to Hogan.
He smoked Hogan in the technical department, but Hogan destroyed him on most everything else.
Hopefully, that explains where I’m coming from.
Unless discussing a specific aspect of performing, you have to look at the entire picture when grading a worker.
Ultimate Warrior excelled in areas like “ring entrance” and “looks,” which accounts for the pops & t-shirt sales.
Unfortunately, his weaknesses overshadowed his good attributes.
The value of the sum of his qualities never equaled Hogan’s, and that’s what kept him from Hogan’s level.
His ego and shitty attitude likely started when he felt he deserved the Hogan treatment because he was as good.
The fact is he was never as good as Hogan.
Hogan never did the “Triple Lindy” bullshit off the top rope, and neither did UW.
The difference is Hogan never had to do that stuff, while UW didn’t have enough to substitute his shortcomings.
Awesome post and so true.
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check out the pop for Hulk when he walks through the curtain here: :o :o :o
if you look at the crowd, there are people jumping up and down when he walks through LOL
nowadays, people jump up and leave LOL
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notice: Boris must have the greatest back breaker in the world. Hogan had to hulk up just to kick out of one! ;D
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I hate to say this, but I probably was present for the loudest single pop. It was Goldberg over Hagan at the Georgia Dome when he won the belt.
Most consistent pop? Flair in a landslide!
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I hate to say this, but I probably was present for the loudest single pop. It was Goldberg over Hagan at the Georgia Dome when he won the belt.
Most consistent pop? Flair in a landslide!
Hogan 1st
Flair second
Everyone Else
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I hate to say this, but I probably was present for the loudest single pop. It was Goldberg over Hagan at the Georgia Dome when he won the belt.
Most consistent pop? Flair in a landslide!
I should have been at the Dome too !!!!
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Hogan stole the show for the better part of the eighties leading into the ninties including his heel heat as the head of the NWO. No one even came close to Hogan.
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I'd give it to the Hulkster. Flair isn't even close.
You've obviously never been to a show in the south....even when the nWo was at its highest and WCW was burying Flair, Flair got at least as big of a pop as Hogan......who incidentally usually had Hall and Nash with him so it was really more of an nWo pop than a Hogan pop anyway.
And I personally witnessed it on a number of occasions during that time.
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You've obviously never been to a show in the south....even when the nWo was at its highest and WCW was burying Flair, Flair got at least as big of a pop as Hogan......who incidentally usually had Hall and Nash with him so it was really more of an nWo pop than a Hogan pop anyway.
And I personally witnessed it on a number of occasions during that time.
I agree with you on Flair in the Mid-Atlantic / southern territories. He got cheered even when he was a heel. I only voted Hogan because he had constant sellout crowds even when he was in WCW.
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Flair still gets the pops, though.
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I should have been at the Dome too !!!!
You didn't miss much. A good cussin' for both of them.
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yeah, but like someone once said, Flair was getting huge pops in 25 seat southern gymnasiums when Hulk was selling out madison square garden ;D
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You didn't miss much. A good cussin' for both of them.
worse than the one you gave Hank Aaron? ;D
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worse than the one you gave Hank Aaron? ;D
Believe it or not, yes. I had two targets plus legit heat with them. Hank was just in the wrong place at the right time. I think his cousins below me enjoyed it though.
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WCW had some pretty hellacious pops during their peak circa 96-98; the nWo and sting (wCw) feud was epic shit.
In the WWE when the nWo made its final run in the early 00's Scott Halls 'Hey Yo' received quite an ovation.
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Believe it or not, yes. I had two targets plus legit heat with them. Hank was just in the wrong place at the right time. I think his cousins below me enjoyed it though.
Hey, at least his cousins did get the treatment of that family at the practice tee at Augusta...... ;D
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yeah, but like someone once said, Flair was getting huge pops in 25 seat southern gymnasiums when Hulk was selling out madison square garden ;D
Information misinformation here. Flair was wrestling in sold out arenas also and getting mad horseman pops too. The studio was for TV and local markets only.
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Information misinformation here. Flair was wrestling in sold out arenas also and getting mad horseman pops too. The studio was for TV and local markets only.
This....
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Whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Ladies, i'm gonna take you places where the space shuttle hasn't been!"
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Information misinformation here. Flair was wrestling in sold out arenas that held a whopping 26 people also and getting mad horseman pops too. The studio was for TV and local markets only.
fixed ;D
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Timmy has been to the Show live all over the World. Doesn't matter where it was. Hogan is number 1 easily. I love Flair. Changed my life when he joined the Federation. But he will always be living as #2 in Hogans shadow.
So you went to WCW/NWA shows w/Flair in the South? I thought you only watched the WWF?
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I went a few times in Miami. One Monday Nitro I was in like the third row. Shit faced. Was drinking all day. I was calling Bischoff every name in the book and got thrown out of the place. Then Timmy totalled his mustang on the drive home and spent the rest of the night in jail arrested for a DWI. And no. Flair doesn't even come close to Hulkamania.
Miami isn't really "the south" if you know what I mean....it's like NY/NJ transplanted.
Sounds like you had a good time though..... ;D
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I have been thrown out of quite a few events. When I was a kid I jumped the barricade in Nassau Coliseum one night at a bunk house brawl. Piper won it. Then secrurity kicked the ever living shit out of me. We would always have our shirts off when were younger as well. They don't let you do that anymore. Timmy is going the 26th at MSG. If Cena gets close to me in the crowd. I'm gonna jump on top of him! Gonna be a fun fun night! The wrestlers train at Golds Midtown when they are here. I hope I see some of them there.
haha, too funny....
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I'd give it to the Hulkster. Flair isn't even close.
Obviously you aren't remembering the WCW days when Hogan would come out to absolutely nothing. He got over in WCW by attaching himself to Hall and Nash.
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Obviously you aren't remembering the WCW days when Hogan would come out to absolutely nothing. He got over in WCW by attaching himself to Hall and Nash.
You mean it wasn't with his great promos about "eating fruit and being cool" in the back? Or having jimmy hart as a manager, or feeding him everybody in the company to lay down for him? ;D
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You mean it wasn't with his great promos about "eating fruit and being cool" in the back? Or having jimmy hart as a manager, or feeding him everybody in the company to lay down for him? ;D
Or having his biggest mark running the company?
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Or having his biggest mark running the company?
Who you and someone else should have taken care of in a certain bathroom in Atlanta, GA.... ;D Course that "someone" isn't much back-up..
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NWO Hogan filled every arena WCW had and was a good unexpected angle that was done ingeniously by Eric Bishoff. No one in their right mind saw that heel turn coming. It was brilliant. Just my 2 pennies...
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NWO Hogan filled every arena WCW had and was a good unexpected angle that was done ingeniously by Eric Bishoff. No one in their right mind saw that heel turn coming. It was brilliant. Just my 2 pennies...
Actually, I chose to write a law research paper on it in college. the whole angle was cooked up with VKM and Bisch in cahoots, it was going to be a joint venture where there was a "takeover" by the boys up north, which if you remember they hinted at the beginning. At the last minute VKM decided against it, but Bisch went ahead with it. It was very interesting. I will try to locate the paper, good luck, and post it up if I can.
The Hogan turn was just more of a case of him "jumping on the wagon" so to speak. As Hogan saw how it was taking off and wanted to be part of it. Savy on his part.
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Actually, I chose to write a law research paper on it in college. the whole angle was cooked up with VKM and Bisch in cahoots, it was going to be a joint venture where there was a "takeover" by the boys up north, which if you remember they hinted at the beginning. At the last minute VKM decided against it, but Bisch went ahead with it. It was very interesting. I will try to locate the paper, good luck, and post it up if I can.
The Hogan turn was just more of a case of him "jumping on the wagon" so to speak. As Hogan saw how it was taking off and wanted to be part of it. Savy on his part.
Actually what no one ever knew was that the original NWO was supposed to be Nash, Hall & Bret Hart. Hart resigned with McMahon and thus Hogan filled in.
Nothing personal dude but I don't buy highlighted stuff above. Vince was in dyer straights and close....very close to losing his company. Bishoff was helbent on putting Vince out of business for good. A statement both made clear by both parties and confirmed by other wrestlers.
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Actually what no one ever knew was that the original NWO was supposed to be Nash, Hall & Bret Hart. Hart resigned with McMahon and thus Hogan filled in.
Nothing personal dude but I don't buy highlighted stuff above. Vince was in dyer straights and close....very close to losing his company. Bishoff was helbent on putting Vince out of business for good. A statement both made clear by both parties and confirmed by other wrestlers.
I read the court documents that stated exactly that, as there was a ton of legal stuff behind the scenes during that time. I'm not saying that it wasn't planned to do the pull-out at the last second, etc... to try to get one up, I'm just stating what was in the legal briefs about it.
My personal take was that it was a win/win for Bisch. He could get proven talent from VKM, publicity, etc.. and enhance his product. VKM was desperate at the time, like you said his company was struggling big time. What is interesting is to think, what if they went ahead with it as planned? It could easily have ended up with VKM as the figure head an Bisch being the real CEO......opposite of what took place 10 yrs later.
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I read the court documents that stated exactly that, as there was a ton of legal stuff behind the scenes during that time. I'm not saying that it wasn't planned to do the pull-out at the last second, etc... to try to get one up, I'm just stating what was in the legal briefs about it.
My personal take was that it was a win/win for Bisch. He could get proven talent from VKM, publicity, etc.. and enhance his product. VKM was desperate at the time, like you said his company was struggling big time. What is interesting is to think, what if they went ahead with it as planned? It could easily have ended up with VKM as the figure head an Bisch being the real CEO......opposite of what took place 10 yrs later.
Even the Montreal Screwjob. The more I think about it the more I think it was a huge work. Warrior hit the nail on the head in a shoot interview when he said that the camara man was in the "right place" too many times and he caught too much "personal stuff" on camara.
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Even the Montreal Screwjob. The more I think about it the more I think it was a huge work. Warrior hit the nail on the head in a shoot interview when he said that the camara man was in the "right place" too many times and he caught too much "personal stuff" on camara.
I agree. How often during that time did VKM give that much access to anyone? And on Bret's part A&E just "happened" to be doing that "wrestling with shadows" documentary? Lots of coincidences.
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I agree. How often during that time did VKM give that much access to anyone? And on Bret's part A&E just "happened" to be doing that "wrestling with shadows" documentary? Lots of coincidences.
Too many coincidences. Just too many.
And...at 6'plus & 240lbs, if Hart really did puch him hard, he would have dicapitated him and there would have been a HUGE lawsuit.
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Actually what no one ever knew was that the original NWO was supposed to be Nash, Hall & Bret Hart. Hart resigned with McMahon and thus Hogan filled in.
Nothing personal dude but I don't buy highlighted stuff above. Vince was in dyer straights and close....very close to losing his company. Bishoff was helbent on putting Vince out of business for good. A statement both made clear by both parties and confirmed by other wrestlers.
A higher up within Tuner's group confirmed it to me.
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Who you and someone else should have taken care of in a certain bathroom in Atlanta, GA.... ;D Course that "someone" isn't much back-up..
As was proven on many different occasions.
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Even the Montreal Screwjob. The more I think about it the more I think it was a huge work. Warrior hit the nail on the head in a shoot interview when he said that the camara man was in the "right place" too many times and he caught too much "personal stuff" on camara.
I, too, have entertained that notion over the years.
Of course, all I’ve come up with are a bunch of hypotheticals:
1.) Maybe it was an agreed upon arrangement to generate Bret (and, ultimately Vince) some much needed publicity & interest.
2.) Maybe there were possible future plans between Vince & Bret being considered.
3.) Maybe Owen’s accident nixed those plans.
I just find it hard to believe that Bret has kayfabed it all these years.
I would have expected him to abandon the work after Owen died.
Why continue working an angle with a man you legitimately hold responsible for your brother’s death.
All of these scenarios and questions have answers - I’m just uncertain if any of them entirely satisfy what is being asked.
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Wow...wow....
I thought I heard it all but everytime I read a Cheftim wrestling post like the one above I can't help but wonder if he's 12yrs old. ::)
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Wow...wow....
I thought I heard it all but everytime I read a Cheftim wrestling post like the one above I can't help but wonder if he's 12yrs old. ::)
Yep.
And I am seriously confuzzled by what that picture is. And the need to go bitch slap him if he is still driving under the influence.
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On the Montreal Screwjob. Yeah it changed wrestling forever and cemented VKM as king, but it ended the era of wrestling with respect. Now a guy who had wrestled his heart out and put it on the line for a working career could have his legacy messed up by a promoter for a cheap pop and be remembered for being universally shafted and have everything else become a footnote.
Unforgivable.
>:(
Wrestling will never recover. There won't be another attitude era with legs because of all the shafting that has occured, and become par for the course since Montreal. Austin and the Rock are rare exceptions with the first ruining his body(taking him off the chess board) and the other leaving for greener pastures. The Wrestling environment hasn't allowed anything big enough to be created which could generate any heat at its being challenged. We expect the shaft, from top to bottom, so it's rarely a surprise when it comes these days. Anyone who gets tall enough for Vince to notice is going to end up in the ring puckering up while Vince drops his pants.
The legends are dead. All wrestling is generating now are survivors. Survivors who's bodies hold up for a decent enough run to leave their mark, and survivors of the arse smooching and politicking, who do what it takes to ensure they get their ugly disgusting mugs on my tv. As well as a bunch of useless divas who seem to be proliferating like gremlins in a rain storm. There isn't a single Miss Elizabeth among them.
I am not inspired anymore gentlemen.
Thank God my Dad taped some stuff and there are older tapes I can lose myself in.
Carry on.
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NWO Hogan filled every arena WCW had and was a good unexpected angle that was done ingeniously by Eric Bishoff. No one in their right mind saw that heel turn coming. It was brilliant. Just my 2 pennies...
I agree, I think if WWE was smart they turn Cena heel, don't tease it..just do it! But they are very light on Faces right now. Maybe have him truly align with Wade Barrett, both kicking Nexus to the curb but to be done right, Cena would have to shit on the crowd and maybe build a new faction, Cena, Barrett and maybe Jericho......