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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Disgusted on November 03, 2010, 10:20:20 PM
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Maybe? :o
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Are you saying these guys maybe take steroids and squat a lot for their training regime?
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50 rep squat sets should do the trick? Biking is so homo.
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First guy from his upper body looks like he lifts heavy, too...
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sprinters also have amazing quads, and i know theyre not breaking records in the gym and most of their size is a direct result of the sprinting.
maybe your onto something jim.
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he is on the Secretariat stack. haha why would a cyclist have arms that thick
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he is on the Secretariat stack. haha why would a cyclist have arms that thick
From the constant pulling on the handle bars from trying to pick up speed.
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I bike a lot lately and definately my quads have improved, they are even leaner and have more endurance. A great way to warm up before hitting the gym
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Nice Manta Ray...
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:P
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First guy from his upper body looks like he lifts heavy, too...
come on man, a syringe isn't that heavy.
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:P
I was going to say speed skaters have kick ass quads
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From the constant pulling on the handle bars from trying to pick up speed.
are you joking?
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are you saying it was a jewish invention?
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From the constant pulling on the handle bars from trying to pick up speed.
Maybe if you incorporated cycling in Kamali's prep, his arms would have looked better, and his overall condition would have been better.
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are you joking?
i think the arms are photoshoped.
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in the first pic is the guy behind him waiting for him to shit in his hands?
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speedskaters and sprinters always have huge thighs, due to the certain muscle twitch fibers used in their sports?
i'm wonder if using the stairclimber at the gym would have the same affect? i used to use it awhile ago and besides being a kick ass cardio workout ( i would be drenched in sweat!) it seemed to give my legs more definition and shape, however...
i'm not sure if my legs actually increased in size and mass though?
used to go for 20 minutes 3 times a week.
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Are you saying these guys maybe take steroids and squat a lot for their training regime?
QFT
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Sprinters and these cyclist guys have big legs only because they incorporate weight training into their regimenes. When steroids are added then its no surprise.
Has anyone seen sprinters/cyclists of the 50s, 60s, 70s, etc? They all look like a normal average person with no muscle.
What changed? Weights were added and of course steroids.
Plus these guys are the elite at what they do, ever seen the normal high school/college athlete? far from these guys.
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Maybe? :o
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lol that guy is fucking loaded :o
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all nachural, hard work! Seems to be a clean sport... ;D
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are you joking?
no
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speedskaters and sprinters always have huge thighs, due to the certain muscle twitch fibers used in their sports?
i'm wonder if using the stairclimber at the gym would have the same affect? i used to use it awhile ago and besides being a kick ass cardio workout ( i would be drenched in sweat!) it seemed to give my legs more definition and shape, however...
i'm not sure if my legs actually increased in size and mass though?
used to go for 20 minutes 3 times a week.
Explosive movement, casually riding a bike thru town or doing the same on a starmaster will not work.
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well said JP_RC! now that i think about it when i see black and white clips of sprinters from the olympics of the 30's, 40's, 50's and 60's your right none of them had huge legs!
i think though speedskaters always have though, at least from what i vaguely remember of eric heiden for example in was it 1980 olympics?
disgusted: so i should can the stair climber as another tool for increased leg size and mass? instead of going 20 minutes which to me is like double regular cardio 3 times a week, ....
i was thinking perhaps after a leg workout for example, maybe just 5 minutes would do the trick of destroying my legs even further and helping then gain size and mass besides and after the usual squats, leg presses, excetera.?
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Sprinters and these cyclist guys have big legs only because they incorporate weight training into their regimenes. When steroids are added then its no surprise.
Has anyone seen sprinters/cyclists of the 50s, 60s, 70s, etc? They all look like a normal average person with no muscle.
What changed? Weights were added and of course steroids.
Plus these guys are the elite at what they do, ever seen the normal high school/college athlete? far from these guys.
You are wrong on so many levels. These guys don't lift to any serious degree if at all and even if they did how does it explain why almost all of them have these freaky huge thighs? Wouldn't their thighs be smallest of all due to the extreme over training? No matter what way you look at it cycling has everything to do with how their legs have developed. I'm sure these guys are taking drugs which would explain the increase in size over the years, but thats not the issue here. Bottom line is their legs are responding to the extreme high rep movement under explosive conditions. Oh and as far as the high kids you mention, I didn't realize that cycling and speed skating was a high school sport.
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You are wrong on so many levels. These guys don't lift to any serious degree if at all and even if they did how does it explain why almost all of them have these freaky huge thighs? Wouldn't their thighs be smallest of all due to the extreme over training? No matter what way you look at it cycling has everything to do with how their legs have developed. I'm sure these guys are taking drugs which would explain the increase in size over the years, but thats not the issue here. Bottom line is their legs are responding to the extreme high rep movement under explosive conditions. Oh and as far as the high kids you mention, I didn't realize that cycling and speed skating was a high school sport.
Actually, you are wrong, many sprinters do incorporate weight training, and if Milos wasn't so "busy", he'd tell you of Tim Montgomery and Marion Jones lifting weights. There was even a show that had Gay (the sprinter) doing reps with squats...although, it wasn't until the 90s that it was widespread to incorporate weights with track...my track coach looked at me like I had 4 heads when I said I wanted to go to the squat rack, he said weights were for shotputters.
The only Am speedskater that I know that doesn't have huge quads is Apollo.
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Actually, you are wrong, many sprinters do incorporate weight training, and if Milos wasn't so "busy", he'd tell you of Tim Montgomery and Marion Jones lifting weights. There was even a show that had Gay (the sprinter) doing reps with squats...although, it wasn't until the 90s that it was widespread to incorporate weights with track...my track coach looked at me like I had 4 heads when I said I wanted to go to the squat rack, he said weights were for shotputters.
The only Am speedskater that I know that doesn't have huge quads is Apollo.
"many" "incorporate" ?? Gee that explains it then. ::)
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:o Fucking insane thighs on the guy in the middle. Like almost pro bb level.
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who's this?
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"many" "incorporate" ?? Gee that explains it then. ::)
Yes, as in almost all. In the infamous Flex article that featured Milos, Marion, Tim, and Balco-man, they talked about the weight training regime. And squats were part of it. In college, the sprinters where I was, had weight training programs, now imagine what the elite Olympic hopefuls do...
fact is, just plain sprinting is going to get you quads like that, otherwise, you'd see everybody on a high school track after hours, doing nothing but sprint work...and the manufacturers of track shoes, and track blocks would make a killing...
You should know this, unless you are playing coy, I know you've probably seen studies or have seen the weigt training regimes of track athletes...I mean they are no Cara Heads-Lane (that goddess)
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You are wrong on so many levels. These guys don't lift to any serious degree if at all and even if they did how does it explain why almost all of them have these freaky huge thighs? Wouldn't their thighs be smallest of all due to the extreme over training? No matter what way you look at it cycling has everything to do with how their legs have developed. I'm sure these guys are taking drugs which would explain the increase in size over the years, but thats not the issue here. Bottom line is their legs are responding to the extreme high rep movement under explosive conditions. Oh and as far as the high kids you mention, I didn't realize that cycling and speed skating was a high school sport.
Maybe cycling has something to do with, but I doubt it. Almost every serious athlete of almost every sport in the world incorporates weight training into their regimen, serious or not they do. Hell, even circe du soleil acrobats do weights.
Tell me then why do all of these athletes weren't even close to as muscular as today back in the 40s, 50s etc? What changed?
There is a good case made for explosive high rep movement being conducive for leg muscle gain, a lot of bbs have used this in the past I think.
Oh and as far as the high kids you mention, I didn't realize that cycling and speed skating was a high school sport.
I meant sprinting......
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Yes, as in almost all. In the infamous Flex article that featured Milos, Marion, Tim, and Balco-man, they talked about the weight training regime. And squats were part of it. In college, the sprinters where I was, had weight training programs, now imagine what the elite Olympic hopefuls do...
fact is, just plain sprinting is going to get you quads like that, otherwise, you'd see everybody on a high school track after hours, doing nothing but sprint work...and the manufacturers of track shoes, and track blocks would make a killing...
You should know this, unless you are playing coy, I know you've probably seen studies or have seen the weigt training regimes of track athletes...I mean they are no Cara Heads-Lane (that goddess)
Then tell me why these guys legs are bigger than 99.9% of the guys on here who are "trying" to get their legs to grow and are on a shit load of drugs? The leg growth these guys have are on after thought to theml. Also, I don't give a flying fuck what anyone said in Flex magazine.
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Actually, you are wrong, many sprinters do incorporate weight training, and if Milos wasn't so "busy", he'd tell you of Tim Montgomery and Marion Jones lifting weights. There was even a show that had Gay (the sprinter) doing reps with squats...although, it wasn't until the 90s that it was widespread to incorporate weights with track...my track coach looked at me like I had 4 heads when I said I wanted to go to the squat rack, he said weights were for shotputters.
The only Am speedskater that I know that doesn't have huge quads is Apollo.
I also remember reading that Ben Johnson used to squat pretty hard back in his glory days and do hard weight training. That plus his steroid usage is what got him his muscular physique in my opinion.
But I guess I'm wrong according to some.....sprinting must've done it. :-\
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they must be immune to lactic acid buildup.
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Then tell me why these guys legs are bigger than 99.9% of the guys on here who are "trying" to get their legs to grow and are on a shit load of drugs? The leg growth these guys have are on after thought to theml. Also, I don't give a flying fuck what anyone said in Flex magazine.
Because they are the elite at what they do...now compare them to 90% of the rest of the athletes doing the same sport...they won't have the same development.
Genetics.
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Then tell me why these guys legs are bigger than 99.9% of the guys on here who are "trying" to get their legs to grow and are on a shit load of drugs? The leg growth these guys have are on after thought to theml. Also, I don't give a flying fuck what anyone said in Flex magazine.
Because 99.9 % of people on the G/O board either don't lift or don't train legs...
You've seen cyclists, on the road, and their quads look nothing like sprint cyclists do...plus, running is harder to do than cycling, that's why people go further on a bike---it's faster than running. A bike is a gyro that covers more land, with minimal effort, try running up a hill full speed versus riding a geared bike...sprint cycling is like track sprinting, so they would incorporate similar training.
Now, I know that Flex ain't the Bible of bbing, but just because you don't care for what is written in there, even Sports Illustrated commented and referenced the Flex article, in the Balco scandal...and I know you have your differences with Milos, but he WAS training Tim Montgomery and Marion Jones.
Colleges incorporate high rep squats for explosiveness for sprinters. As I said, if doing sprint work would give you huge quads, then there would be tons of HS sprinters w/no weight training who had huge quads for their size. There are none.
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that's not the Arvilla triplets.
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:P
Love that ass and thighs.
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there is absolutely no reason whatsoever for a cyclist to 'weight train'...i could see MAYBE some leg strengthening stuff maybe...but lifting weights for upperbody and arms would be totally pointless and actually counterproductive .
the guy's arms are huge because like i said, hes on a racehorse-like drug stack.
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there is absolutely no reason whatsoever for a cyclist to 'weight train'...i could see MAYBE some leg strengthening stuff maybe...but lifting weights for upperbody and arms would be totally pointless and actually counterproductive .
the guy's arms are huge because like i said, hes on a racehorse-like drug stack.
you mean his arms "just grew" from drugs? ::)
no training at all? youre delusional.
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Genetic disposition for strong thighs is good lead in to being a strong cyclists. Not surprising, stack or no stack, that these guys at this level would have well developed quads in their sport. And yes, top level sprinters do incorporate weights for their training. If you have ever done all-outs sprints for a pro-longed period of time your body will tell you very fast like what body parts are lagging in development. When I incorporate sprints in my routine my bis, traps, and hams just stay sore while my overall development also improves.
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you mean his arms "just grew" from drugs? ::)
no training at all? youre delusional.
again, why would a cyclist need to weight train his arms? thats like saying a sprinter would be weight training his arms. having huge arms as either of those is a liability if anything.
that particular dude probably has great arm genetics to begin with, and the constant gripping/clenching of the bars coupled with his genetics and steroid regime is enough to give him impressive arms.
there is absolutely no reason for this guy to be in the gym doing curls ::)
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you mean his arms "just grew" from drugs? ::)
no training at all? youre delusional.
With drugs it's enough with the activation the arms get when doing sprint training on the bike.
You never rode a bike before? It can involve a lot of back and arms when you accelerate all out on low gears.
I snapped a handle bar off this way. Suddenly had it in my hand and was sort of running on the bike to not fall. It was pretty embarrassing.
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no
then why dont any other cyclists have big arms?>
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i suppose thomas jones got big arms just from carrying a football
(http://www.tflreport.com/jbpic/jones.jpg)
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i suppose thomas jones got big arms just from carrying a football
(http://www.tflreport.com/jbpic/jones.jpg)
those are some crazy arms.......
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again, why would a cyclist need to weight train his arms? thats like saying a sprinter would be weight training his arms. having huge arms as either of those is a liability if anything.
that particular dude probably has great arm genetics to begin with, and the constant gripping/clenching of the bars coupled with his genetics and steroid regime is enough to give him impressive arms.
there is absolutely no reason for this guy to be in the gym doing curls ::)
next thing we will hear from you is how to built big arms and forearms by taking steroids and jacking off. please..
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We are really deling with three different questions,
How much weight training do they do?
How much drugs do they take?
How much does the cycling affect growth.
Doesn't sound like anyone knows here for sure.
Hope that helps/End of thread
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We are really deling with three different questions,
How much weight training do they do?
How much drugs do they take?
How much does the cycling affect growth.
Doesn't sound like anyone knows here for sure.
Hope that helps/End of thread
You are correct. But, for Disgusted to say that sprinters and sprint cyclists don't weight train legs is highly ignorant, especially for a high level guru like him.
What you said is key to all of this.
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next thing we will hear from you is how to built big arms and forearms by taking steroids and jacking off. please..
soooo...why again would a pro cyclist need to weight train his arms to be huge?
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soooo...why again would a pro cyclist need to weight train his arms to be huge?
For the same reason EVERY athlete weight trains.
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With drugs it's enough with the activation the arms get when doing sprint training on the bike.
You never rode a bike before? It can involve a lot of back and arms when you accelerate all out on low gears.
I snapped a handle bar off this way. Suddenly had it in my hand and was sort of running on the bike to not fall. It was pretty embarrassing.
I have noticed that you tend to pull on the handles even if you wouldn't have to.
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By the same logic..Wouldnt "pulling" the handles result in "big backs" too?
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Elite sports are very selective, those at the top have a the genetics and the commitment. Track cycling, which is very explosive, will favour athletes with a lot of fast twitch fibers, e.g. muscular build. Take a look at good look at cyclists at the other end of the spectrum: climbers. There's is just no elite climber that has a track cyclist build and vice versa.
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Elite sports are very selective, those at the top have a the genetics and the commitment. Track cycling, which is very explosive, will favour athletes with a lot of fast twitch fibers, e.g. muscular build. Take a look at good look at cyclists at the other end of the spectrum: climbers. There's is just no elite climber that has a track cyclist build and vice versa.
Are the great climbers really skinny? I didn't know that.
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If any of you think the arms in the first pic, if not shopped, are from "pulling up on the handlebars" you are some of the dumbest mfers on this site......idiots.....
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Elite sports are very selective, those at the top have a the genetics and the commitment. Track cycling, which is very explosive, will favour athletes with a lot of fast twitch fibers, e.g. muscular build. Take a look at good look at cyclists at the other end of the spectrum: climbers. There's is just no elite climber that has a track cyclist build and vice versa.
And the climbers are endurance athletes, so they tend to be stringy or have that skinny fat look that endurance athletes have. Large muscles have no place, track cyclists need explosive speed=larger muscle, fast twitch muscle...
If you look at the Greyhound vs The Spanish Galgo, you'd see a very similar build, except the greyhound's muscles are rounder and fuller, and have more fast twitch fibers, the Galgo's muscles are flatter, and it has less fast twitch fibers...the Galgo is used to course hares and rabbits over a longer period, so it needs endurance over outright speed...
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If any of you think the arms in the first pic, if not shopped, are from "pulling up on the handlebars" you are some of the dumbest mfers on this site......idiots.....
+1
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If any of you think the arms in the first pic, if not shopped, are from "pulling up on the handlebars" you are some of the dumbest mfers on this site......idiots.....
A man at the end of his rope here, gentlemen. ;D
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A man at the end of his rope here, gentlemen. ;D
;D
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You are correct. But, for Disgusted to say that sprinters and sprint cyclists don't weight train legs is highly ignorant, especially for a high level guru like him.
What you said is key to all of this.
We had a track cyclist years ago, Curt Harnett, who was quite noted for the prodigious leg workouts he did in the gym. Did ok internationally, too.
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If any of you think the arms in the first pic, if not shopped, are from "pulling up on the handlebars" you are some of the dumbest mfers on this site......idiots.....
yes I'm sure he is working his biceps with weights, because they need to be bigger for cycling ::) great logic there..
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yes I'm sure he is working his biceps with weights, because they need to be bigger for cycling ::) great logic there..
How about he is working his arms so they look better? Just like everyone else who picks up a weight. Loser.
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it's this guy
(http://thefixedgear.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/robert-forsteman-2010-3-27-9-6-8.jpg)
arms don't look so huge here
(http://thefixedgear.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/100b1230-1.jpg?w=337&h=450)
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Seems to be much admired by muscle-worshippers
(http://thefixedgear.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/100b12341.jpg)
(http://thefixedgear.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/gera-251207-09von19a.jpg?w=450&h=337)
Also seems that he does a lot of weight training
http://thefixedgear.wordpress.com/2010/08/19/track-cyclist-of-the-day-robert-forstemann/
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Because they are the elite at what they do...now compare them to 90% of the rest of the athletes doing the same sport...they won't have the same development.
Genetics.
Too many people use the word genetics when they can not explain something that they don't know the answer to. Genetics will determine what your muscles will look like in a larger state due to muscle belly length fiber density etc., but it has nothing to do with how a muscle grows unless in a rare event someone happens to be deficient in the myostatin gene for example. When I was a kid I remember seeing my neighbor hitting a tennis ball off a wall. He did this for hours almost evberyday. His forearm was almost twice the size as the other and it was also probabley bigger than anyone elses I had ever seen. This guy was pretty tall and lanky so he had bad genetics for BBing and he never lifted a weight in his life at that point. So logic would dictate that his forearm growth was from gripping a tennis racquet each time he hit a ball against a wall and he did this hundreds of thousands of times. I'm guessing that if he took some Dbol that his forearm would have gotten even bigger. If anyone else has a better explanation for this then I'm all ears.
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How about he is working his arms so they look better? Just like everyone else who picks up a weight. Loser.
look better?, is he into bodybuilding, to impress fans of the "sport" like you?
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So what do these guys do to get those legs?
Is it the bicycling?
Is it high rep weight training?
Or are these guys just the most genetically gifted?
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these guys:
a. are all on the same team from the same country most likely trained by the same guy for decades
b. have legs like that genetically
come on man, we all know the "euros with huge soccer calves and 12 inch thighs" stereotype. is it hard to imagine that in a country as large as germany, with that many bicycling enthusiasts, they couldn't have found 3 guys with strong thighs?
get your heads out of your asses.
also, the "pulling on handlebars" bullshit. come on man, most of us here do agree (even including fat panda) that progressive overload of muscles is the only thing that'll get them to grow (besides genetics).
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will jump squats make my hair grow faster?
bench
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these guys:
a. are all on the same team from the same country most likely trained by the same guy for decades
b. have legs like that genetically
come on man, we all know the "euros with huge soccer calves and 12 inch thighs" stereotype. is it hard to imagine that in a country as large as germany, with that many bicycling enthusiasts, they couldn't have found 3 guys with strong thighs?
get your heads out of your asses.
also, the "pulling on handlebars" bullshit. come on man, most of us here do agree (even including fat panda) that progressive overload of muscles is the only thing that'll get them to grow (besides genetics).
I don't know man. A lot of sprinters and bicyclists seem to have gnarly fucking legs. I think there is something about these excercises that causes major quad hypertrophy.
Back when I used to bicycle for miles every day my quads were awesome. Now i'm just lifting and they are have down a notch for sure.
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Too many people use the word genetics when they can not explain something that they don't know the answer to. Genetics will determine what your muscles will look like in a larger state due to muscle belly length fiber density etc., but it has nothing to do with how a muscle grows unless in a rare event someone happens to be deficient in the myostatin gene for example. When I was a kid I remember seeing my neighbor hitting a tennis ball off a wall. He did this for hours almost evberyday. His forearm was almost twice the size as the other and it was also probabley bigger than anyone elses I had ever seen. This guy was pretty tall and lanky so he had bad genetics for BBing and he never lifted a weight in his life at that point. So logic would dictate that his forearm growth was from gripping a tennis racquet each time he hit a ball against a wall and he did this hundreds of thousands of times. I'm guessing that if he took some Dbol that his forearm would have gotten even bigger. If anyone else has a better explanation for this then I'm all ears.
I went to college with a dude whose tennis arm was bigger and more cut, than his other arm, not by much, but it was noticeable...it was the cuts that made stuck out. The pics prove that the cyclist does weight train, end of discussion.
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I don't know man. A lot of sprinters and bicyclists seem to have gnarly fucking legs. I think there is something about these excercises that causes major quad hypertrophy.
Back when I used to bicycle for miles every day my quads were awesome. Now i'm just lifting and they are have down a notch for sure.
its just types of muscle that you dont use often...
do three sets of ass to heels jump squats as hard and as fast as you can to failure 3 times a week...after a while your legs wont even look the same..
bench
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I mean they are no Cara Heads-Lane (that goddess)
I would wife her up so fast her head would spin..
The title says it all.. Look at that ass..
baby girl.. DAMN!..
and what i would do to her backbone..
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Eric Heiden (sp?) the speed skater said he did heavy leg presses, I can't remember the weight now but I think it was 5 or 600 lbs, for 5 sets of 100.
I was close friends with a guy that won the Mr Arizona a number of years ago and he had some of the freakiest legs I have ever seen. He hardly weight trained them. He would crank the stationary bike up so high you could barely turn the pedals and he would ride it for 30-45 minutes. That was his entire leg workout most of the time. He had good development from weight training them already, but when he started that, they blew up.
There is no doubt in my mind that high repetitions with heavy resistance builds huge legs.
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I would wife her up so fast her head would spin..
The title says it all.. Look at that ass..
baby girl.. DAMN!..
and what i would do to her backbone..
hahaha, I knew someone would catch on to what I said...man, I'm sorry, she does it for me, I think her stats say 5'6, she is no 5'6 more like 5'1...I think she is married...
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Now, begs the question, could a bber be good at track cycling? I mean, let's say if Phil Heath trimmed down, would he excel at it? In your opinion?
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Eric Heiden (sp?) the speed skater said he did heavy leg presses, I can't remember the weight now but I think it was 5 or 600 lbs, for 5 sets of 100.
I was close friends with a guy that won the Mr Arizona a number of years ago and he had some of the freakiest legs I have ever seen. He hardly weight trained them. He would crank the stationary bike up so high you could barely turn the pedals and he would ride it for 30-45 minutes. That was his entire leg workout most of the time. He had good development from weight training them already, but when he started that, they blew up.
There is no doubt in my mind that high repetitions with heavy resistance builds huge legs.
Here was a quote directly from him:
"Before the 1980 Olympics it wasn't uncommon for us to do the following:
Find an old truck tire intertube and cut out about one third of the tire (where the valve is). Seal one end by tying and taping with duct tape.
Fill intertube with either lead shot or pennies until alomost full. Seal off other end. I made several sizes but the biggest ones I figured weighed about 150lbs.
Swing the anaconda on your lower back and assume the speed skating position. Do 1 x 100 squats with each leg. Do that 5 x. Then repeat with both legs. Going down to slightly below 90 degrees.
Right after these we would drop the tube then do 15 - 20 squat jumps as high as you can bringing your legs up to your chest a the peak.
Usually the last one you would fall down because you could not support your weight anymore.
Dang, those were the days...and that was only workout number 1. usually we did 3 workouts a day. "
He was also known to do high rep squats and leg presses with heavy weights for high reps , as you mentioned. As with most things, you can't pidgeion hole the training of these guys, it's periodization in all these elite sports.
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Here was a quote directly from him:
"Before the 1980 Olympics it wasn't uncommon for us to do the following:
Find an old truck tire intertube and cut out about one third of the tire (where the valve is). Seal one end by tying and taping with duct tape.
Fill intertube with either lead shot or pennies until alomost full. Seal off other end. I made several sizes but the biggest ones I figured weighed about 150lbs.
Swing the anaconda on your lower back and assume the speed skating position. Do 1 x 100 squats with each leg. Do that 5 x. Then repeat with both legs. Going down to slightly below 90 degrees.
Right after these we would drop the tube then do 15 - 20 squat jumps as high as you can bringing your legs up to your chest a the peak.
Usually the last one you would fall down because you could not support your weight anymore.
Dang, those were the days...and that was only workout number 1. usually we did 3 workouts a day. "
He was also known to do high rep squats and leg presses with heavy weights for high reps , as you mentioned. As with most things, you can't pidgeion hole the training of these guys, it's periodization in all these elite sports.
oh, ok...
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We had a track cyclist years ago, Curt Harnett, who was quite noted for the prodigious leg workouts he did in the gym. Did ok internationally, too.
I remember him. Blond guy with the Norton fluff.
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guys its no coincidence that speed cyclist, sprinters, and speed skaters have great legs.
its not so much genetics as it is the years of their thighs being under tension for insane amounts of time and the amounts of fast twitch muscle fibers that are being used.
weight training has something to do with it of course. but its the TUT and fast twitch fibers that are being used that is the cause for the massive growth.
just ask yourself with 9 out of 10 pro bodybuilders now a days legs dont hold a candle to these speed cyclist legs who were posted earlier in this thread. Its not the weights, because most pros are squatting 400 plus lbs for reps and these sprint cyclist arent using that much weight.
so whats the difference? just ask yourself that and maybe you'll find the key to leg growth.
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BOOOOOOOOOOM!
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3387/3187003959_36a58fa614_o.jpg)
Skate, baby, skate :o :o :o
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look better?, is he into bodybuilding, to impress fans of the "sport" like you?
youre plain retarded.
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Jesus Christ, it's not that hard to figure out. Intensity of effort coupled with training aimed at beating previous records is going to cause the growth. You ain't gonna build legs like that cycling around leisurely, it takes serious training, the repetitions are nowhere near as important as the level of effort.
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Now, begs the question, could a bber be good at track cycling? I mean, let's say if Phil Heath trimmed down, would he excel at it? In your opinion?
I do believe Casey Viator joined an Olympic sled tream at one point. From what I recall he didn't fair too well.
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Pjim is almost there. Intensity, load and time are the three keys. Sprinters on cycles and on the track keep trying to run or cycle faster. It is these maximum efforts repeated many times that will induce hypertrophy. Same thing goes for bodybuilding. So, yes, if you put an inner tube filled with sand and walked up a hill you would get a calf workout. If you did the walk in 10 minutes then you could increase intensity by walking faster, going up a steeper incline and carrying more weight....eventually doing all three! As long as something is progressive you should get bigger muscles....all things being optimum such as diet.
Long distance runners and skaters don't have large muscles because they need different fibres to give them endurance. I have seen professional road racers at my gym but they weren't at all strong or very large. Matter of fact they tended to have soft muscle bellies which surprised us muscleheads. We could easily beat them on the ergometer cycles for power output.
This is little doubt that all top athletes will be doing whatever helps them improve and that includes resistance training.
Here is an experiment. Get yourself a comfortable back pack with good support and harness. Then put things in there that weigh 20 pounds and walk around for several hours. Every second day add 5 pounds and keep doing this for a month adding perhaps smaller weights as the pack gets heavier. When you are carrying about 50 pounds you will find your calves aching when you are walking. Try to walk up hilly areas because those will be most beneficial. This really is a form of weight training but mildly progressive. The long walks will definitely cause the calves to adapt by getting larger.
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Pjim is almost there. Intensity, load and time are the three keys. Spinters on cycles and on the track keep trying to run or cycle faster. It is these maximum efforts repeated many times that will induce hypertrophy. Same thing goes for bodybuilding. So, yes, if you put an inner tube filled with sand and walked up a hill you would get a calf workout. If you did the walk in 10 minutes then you could increase intensity by walking faster, going up a steeper incline and carrying more weight....eventually doing all three! As long as something is progressive you should get bigger muscles....all things being optimum such as diet.
Long distance runners and skaters don't have large muscles because they need different fibres to give them endurance. I have seen professional road racers at my gym but they weren't at all strong or very large. Matter of fact they tended to have soft muscle bellies which surprised us muscleheads. We could easily beat them on the ergometer cycles for power output.
This is little doubt that all top athletes will be doing whatever helps them improve and that includes resistance training.
Here is an experiment. Get yourself a comfortable back pack with good support and harness. Then put things in there that weigh 20 pounds and walk around for several hours. Every second day add 5 pounds and keep doing this for a month adding perhaps smaller weights as the pack gets heavier. When you are carrying about 50 pounds you will find your calves aching when you are walking. Try to walk up hilly areas because those will be most beneficial. This really is a form of weight training but mildly progressive. The long walks will definitely cause the calves to adapt by getting larger.
great post
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I said it post before and i will say it again, biking made my legs BIGGER and CONDITIONED even when im off the drugs right now and "offseason", meaning i dont have plans competing anytime soon... they have still veins all over.
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Chris Hoy - Track cyclist
3 Gold medals in Beijing 2008 Olympics.
Yes. he squats....very heavy! 500lb plus.
And lunges, Hack squat, unilateral movements etc...
I'm suprised DISGUSTED hasn't researched more.....
" Heavy weightlifting develops the explosive power he needs for sprinting(on a bike). His best squat is 227.5kg, not far off two and a half times his body weight."
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Seems to be much admired by muscle-worshippers
http://thefixedgear.wordpress.com/2010/08/19/track-cyclist-of-the-day-robert-forstemann/
this site is even gayer than getbig...
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Now, begs the question, could a bber be good at track cycling? I mean, let's say if Phil Heath trimmed down, would he excel at it? In your opinion?
Former Mr. America,Mr. USA,and Mr. Universe,Matt Dufresne is now a cyclist.........legs are still huge,upper body is much smaller !
Mr. A and Mr. U,Kal Szkalak is also a cyclist these days.
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Melvin Goodrum developed his trademark legs by riding bikes without seats.
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I will clarify this matter :
they have big thighs because they take roids and squat and weightlift for legs in general ... same for other muscles
roids + lifting = bigger muscles
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bodybuilding = steroids
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I will clarify this matter :
they have big thighs because they take roids and squat and weightlift for legs in general ... same for other muscles
roids + lifting = bigger muscles
Its as simple as this. But some still think its the speed skating, its the sprinting.......... :P
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Chris Hoy - Track cyclist
3 Gold medals in Beijing 2008 Olympics.
Yes. he squats....very heavy! 500lb plus.
And lunges, Hack squat, unilateral movements etc...
I'm suprised DISGUSTED hasn't researched more.....
" Heavy weightlifting develops the explosive power he needs for sprinting(on a bike). His best squat is 227.5kg, not far off two and a half times his body weight."
QFT
End of thread.
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Chris Hoy - Track cyclist
3 Gold medals in Beijing 2008 Olympics.
Yes. he squats....very heavy! 500lb plus.
And lunges, Hack squat, unilateral movements etc...
I'm suprised DISGUSTED hasn't researched more.....
" Heavy weightlifting develops the explosive power he needs for sprinting(on a bike). His best squat is 227.5kg, not far off two and a half times his body weight."
WOW so if I can work up to doing a single with 500.5 pounds I can have legs like this guy. ::) Who knew, all along all I had to do was get stronger.
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Maybe? :o
this nig.ga on steroids
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Its as simple as this. But some still think its the speed skating, its the sprinting.......... :P
Its BOTH!!!
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also, although not as huge of a factor, is that the first dudes disgusted posted seem like they're short, and we know shorter people look more impressive when muscular.
point two, they have leotards on, which will make their legs look bigger as compared to their upper body.
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also, although not as huge of a factor, is that the first dudes disgusted posted seem like they're short, and we know shorter people look more impressive when muscular.
point two, they have leotards on, which will make their legs look bigger as compared to their upper body.
And gay also :-X
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WOW so if I can work up to doing a single with 500.5 pounds I can have legs like this guy. ::) Who knew, all along all I had to do was get stronger.
You're backpedaling (no pun intended) a great deal in this thread.
You didn't do any research on track cyclist training before making this thread......
which led you to this claim......
You are wrong on so many levels. These guys don't lift to any serious degree if at all and even if they did how does it explain why almost all of them have these freaky huge thighs? Wouldn't their thighs be smallest of all due to the extreme over training? No matter what way you look at it cycling has everything to do with how their legs have developed. I'm sure these guys are taking drugs which would explain the increase in size over the years, but thats not the issue here. Bottom line is their legs are responding to the extreme high rep movement under explosive conditions. Oh and as far as the high kids you mention, I didn't realize that cycling and speed skating was a high school sport.
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Do some research first. I hope you're not this misinformed when it comes to your clients diet prep.
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You're backpedaling (no pun intended) a great deal in this thread.
You didn't do any research on track cyclist training before making this thread......
which led you to this claim......
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Do some research first. I hope you're not this misinformed when it comes to your clients diet prep.
Exactly, my quads didn't blow up when I ran track...yer Disgusted says that all you have to do is practice sprints and you'd be set in the quad department...
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I'm just going to get a stationary bike and pull-up on the handlebars as my arm workout....
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Exactly, my quads didn't blow up when I ran track...yer Disgusted says that all you have to do is practice sprints and you'd be set in the quad department...
on a completely unrelated note...doesn't reggie bush look completely fucking different these days?
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I'm just going to get a stationary bike and pull-up on the handlebars as my arm workout....
LMAO
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LMAO
All these years and clearly bbers are just doing it wrong......viva la handlebars, bitches !!!!!!
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How am I back peddling? I suggested in my original post that maybe the key to better leg development was to use speed cycling to enhance ones leg mass. Some of the best developed legs I have seen are on speed cyclists and speed skaters. This is no coincidence whether they use weights or not. You are trying so hard to prove me wrong you are losing sight of my point. Who cares how much this guy squats. I know plenty of guys who squat 500 pounds and have no where near the mass these guys carry. Do you really think these guys are training there legs with cosmetic enhancement in mind? There is more going on here than that. Open your eyes and mind a little and maybe you will learn something.
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I'm just going to get a stationary bike and pull-up on the handlebars as my arm workout....
Ok, that was a genuine 'laugh out loud' irl for me ..
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on a completely unrelated note...doesn't reggie bush look completely fucking different these days?
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No Kim Kardashian?
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I'm just going to get a stationary bike and pull-up on the handlebars as my arm workout....
;D ;D ;D
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stop this argument please. Dorian was better than Ronnie....
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on a completely unrelated note...doesn't reggie bush look completely fucking different these days?
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stop this argument please. Dorian was better than Ronnie....
How is any of that going to help him on the football field?
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Maybe? :o
dude looks better than most juicers. the one on the bike.
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workout once per week for 20s see other thread
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Here's the answer:
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From the ASC
Training varies according to the type and number of events being raced. Sprint track cyclists generally focus on short high quality repetitions with long recovery, as well as strength training to build lean body mass. For longer sprint events, athletes also include some longer sessions and endurance rides. Longer track events such as the Points Race, Madison, and Kieren are generally suited to endurance trained road cyclists, who compete in these events in their off season or during major events such as Olympics and World Championships. With a good endurance base and short periods of sprint training, road cyclists can excel in track endurance events.
Physical Characteristics
The physique of sprint track cyclists is characterised by large muscle mass and low body fat levels. A high percentage of fast twitch muscle fibres helps maintain high cadences.
Endurance track cyclists are typically leaner and lighter, similar to road cyclists.
http://www.ausport.gov.au/ais/nutrition/factsheets/sports/track_cycling (http://www.ausport.gov.au/ais/nutrition/factsheets/sports/track_cycling)
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on a completely unrelated note...doesn't reggie bush look completely fucking different these days?
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how are these twinks in the nfl???
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Here's the answer:
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From the ASC
Training varies according to the type and number of events being raced. Sprint track cyclists generally focus on short high quality repetitions with long recovery, as well as strength training to build lean body mass. For longer sprint events, athletes also include some longer sessions and endurance rides. Longer track events such as the Points Race, Madison, and Kieren are generally suited to endurance trained road cyclists, who compete in these events in their off season or during major events such as Olympics and World Championships. With a good endurance base and short periods of sprint training, road cyclists can excel in track endurance events.
Physical Characteristics
The physique of sprint track cyclists is characterised by large muscle mass and low body fat levels. A high
percentage of fast twitch muscle fibres helps maintain high cadences.
Endurance track cyclists are typically leaner and lighter, similar to road cyclists.
http://www.ausport.gov.au/ais/nutrition/factsheets/sports/track_cycling (http://www.ausport.gov.au/ais/nutrition/factsheets/sports/track_cycling)
thanks myseone, how is the artwork doing?
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thanks myseone, how is the artwork doing?
So that's why their legs are so freaky and rival some of the best thighs not only in sports but some pro bbers, they strength train! ::) I just can't help wondering why all the others guys in football, track soccer etc don't have thighs like these guys since they all "strength train" too. ::) I honestly at this point don't know if you are playing with me or you are really that dumb. Do you ever wonder what life would be like if you'd had enough oxygen at birth? :D
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So that's why their legs are so freaky and rival some of the best thighs not only in sports but some pro bbers, they strength train! ::) I just can't help wondering why all the others guys in football, track soccer etc don't have thighs like these guys since they all "strength train" too. ::) I honestly at this point don't know if you are playing with me or you are really that dumb. Do you ever wonder what life would be like if you'd had enough oxygen at birth? :D
Its been proven already...plus, diff sports do diff variations in strength training. With Spring track cyclists, they are sitting on a bike and making it move, with a football player, say a WR, he has to be light, fast, and strong---he is moving thru space, not sitting down
but there was a vid posted here of a college football player squatting 695 for 12...big mofo too...
Just doing sprints alone at the track ain't gonna do it, because I ran track in high school and did sprint work...no squats, my legs adjusted but didn't blow the fuck up...
You know as well as I that progressively loading grows muscle fibers, with sprinting you are only pushing your body weight, therefore there is a max of what you are pushing, like doing push ups, you are only going to get so big, and nobody does sprints as many times as doing 250 pushups at one time.
Fact is, you were proven wrong that these athletes didn't incorporate heavy lifting or lifting at all, when the majority if not all speed related sports incorporate weight training...because maximizing fast twitch fibers is the end result.
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since I have upped my tst dosage past 500mg at higher doses I have hardly trained my legs at all and my quads have grown around two inches. Calves one inch. If only my arms grew that easy. Like I literally have done two squatting sessions in the past three months and the strength was up on them. the power of hg test baby
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since I have upped my tst dosage past 500mg at higher doses I have hardly trained my legs at all and my quads have grown around two inches. Calves one inch. If only my arms grew that easy. Like I literally have done two squatting sessions in the past three months and the strength was up on them. the power of hg test baby
Bizarre.
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it is maan. Like seriously my legs are actually a "good" bodypart now. They are thicker by far.
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An excerpt from a scott abel training article.
I will say again, and you will see me say this repeatedly in articles, "Heavy is not how much is on the bar; Heavy is how much stress a muscle is under."
The former is an external queue that has no meaning in and of itself. The latter is an internal performance indicator that bears fruit short and long term. As experts and trainees we need to stop being so one dimensional in our thinking.
The second problem with this assumption is that somehow people then equate load with intensity. In other words, I get letters where people "assume" they're training hardbecause they're training with heavy loads.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. And there's also an expert bias that "strength training" is CNS training; hypertrophy training is myofibril training; and conditioning training is metabolic.
These are only categories of reference and they're not mutually exclusive. There exists this bias that high volume training is somehow lower intensity. Untrue.
Workload capacity can be improved to a point where tremendous volumes can be handled at high intensities. Once again, these need not be mutually exclusive, and to think that way is to misrepresent research and decades of real life, in-the-trenches experience.
Case in point: Eric Heiden.
I always use this example when doing seminars for people interested in Hypertrophy Training. Eric Heiden was a very special athlete. He won multiple gold medals for the US in speed skating. He also accomplished what most exercise physiologists would say is impossible. He won Gold in all the sprint events and the endurance events as well; kind of like winning a marathon and the 100-meter sprint in the same Olympics.
What he accomplished was truly spectacular. Eric's physique was also well known. At about 185 lbs he had 28-inch thighs at a time when no one even in bodybuilding could come close. The sweep on his thighs was just incredible and something any bodybuilder would kill to have. Because Eric was training for speed, power, and endurance, he developed a very unique training style that's been ignored to this day, I think merely because it's so hard, and goes against the grain of thought, that heavy is a matter of load only.
Twenty-eight inch thighs.
Eric was known for what I call ultra heavy training. Remember that I said earlier that heavy is not how much load is on the bar, but rather how much stress the muscle is under. Eric was known to do leg presses with 500lbs. No big deal. However, Eric did sets of 100s reps with 500lbs!
Now that's heavy, if you understand load, overload, and time under tension in an explosive sense, and not with this crazy tempo interpretation of such.
Eric was also known to squat 205 pounds, butt to heels...for 300 reps. His leg size, shape, density, and sweep were what every bodybuilder dreams of. Yet no one trains like this because they equate "heavy" with load, rather than stress.
The only guy that came close to adapting that kind of training for legs was Tom Platz, and I guess he didn't train heavy either, since he didn't do low rep percent max's near his absolute strength base.
I trained at home all summer and I did sets of squats with only a "Bodyblade" behind my neck for 5 sets of 100 reps, and then single leg BW lunges for 4 sets of 50 reps.
That was the beginning of my leg workout every other workout — no weights, and my legs have never been better.
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so based on this "heiden" example and being that the legs are the biggest body part on your body and can a crapload of abuse, i'm guessing then you should do tons of reps with lighter ( but not light) pounds on your squats, leg presses, other leg compound movements?
even then though i would think after awhile your legs would adapt, so perhaps the best thing is to mix it up constantly, even in the same leg workout, whether the 10 reps or the 100 reps of squats, leg presses and what not.
i always had thought squats and leg presses, heavy weight, low reps (8 to 10) and lunges, extensions and what else very high reps.
guess it matters on your age, genetics, experience, etcetera. for instance can or should i even do these kind of very high reps with medium weight sets for legs at my age (45!) i don't want to just say " oh screw it" and who cares about leg size at my age. but then again, i don't want to cripple myself with pain and injuries for the rest of my life either! LOL! hmm, what to do?