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How did he affect us regarding National Security? better because of him or worse?
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since 9 /11 happened on his watch, you tell me ???
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since 9 /11 happened on his watch, you tell me ???
So if you want to blame Bush fo 911 - can I blame all of the job losses on Obama from the day he took office?
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hahahahahahahahaahahaah you already do ;D
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hahahahahahahahaahahaah you already do ;D
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Got me on that. ;D
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How did he affect us regarding National Security? better because of him or worse?
He let terrorists attack us on 9/11, and instead of securing the boarders and doing things to prevent future attacks, he just instituted a bunch of laws that conflict with our constitution in order to abuse our rights.
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He let terrorists attack us on 9/11, and instead of securing the boarders and doing things to prevent future attacks, he just instituted a bunch of laws that conflict with our constitution in order to abuse our rights.
ok, but in all honestly your belief that he allowed 9/11 is speculative.
cant you say he prevented future attacks being that we havent been attacked on U.S soil? I agree that our rights have been minimized in part to some of his policies.
Im not on one side or the other, just trying to get some overall opinions
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The patriot act is horse shit plain and simple. If the intel community hadn't been castrated by previous administrations odds are it could have been prevented. The only thing we have gotten out of this fucking mess is more unconstitutional bullshit that the law abiding American citizens have to deal with, which is SOP for the government. Political Correctness prevents profiling, El Al uses it and they seem to have a pretty damn good safety record.
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Can anyone actually name any medium to large scale attacks that were prevented? I haven't really looked into it in detail but can't think of anything off the top of my head.
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Or maybe the threat wasn't so great.... Or maybe we did such a good job on them outside the USA they have never been able to recover.
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Or maybe the threat wasn't so great.... Or maybe we did such a good job on them outside the USA they have never been able to recover.
Or maybe the threat isn't as great as we've been lead to believe in order to gain further control over the citizens of the United States....
Things that make you go hmmmmm.....
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since 9 /11 happened on his watch, you tell me ???
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In addition 3000+ soldiers have died in Iraq unnecessarily. Not very safe for them and their families. :'(
And what do you think will happen to the next American serviceman/woman taken captive by the enemy. That's right: torture!
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In addition 3000+ soldiers have died in Iraq unnecessarily. Not very safe for them and their families. :'(
And what do you think will happen to the next American serviceman/woman taken captive by the enemy. That's right: torture!
LMAO youre right that is bush's fault b/c its not like they would have tortured them anyway right? ::)
I bet you two morons think that bush is to blame for the financial collapse too dont you?
bay id be careful about agreeing with blacken he is quite the village idiot around here and I know how self concious you are about yourself and those you affiliate with Id hate to see you damage any potential networking opportunities... ;)
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In addition 3000+ soldiers have died in Iraq unnecessarily. Not very safe for them and their families. :'(
And what do you think will happen to the next American serviceman/woman taken captive by the enemy. That's right: torture!
LMAO if it werent for bush muslims would all love us right bay?
We would hold hands and sing kumbya, right?
9/11 began being planned the moment bush got elected, right bay?
;D :D ;) :D ;D
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Disagreeing on politics, on policies, possessing differing ideologies, etc. fine, all of that is fine. Blaming Bush for 9/11 is not only stupid, it is beyond idiotic, I honestly don't know if there is a word that encompasses the total stupidity such comments envelope.
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Disagreeing on politics, on policies, possessing differing ideologies, etc. fine, all of that is fine. Blaming Bush for 9/11 is not only stupid, it is beyond idiotic, I honestly don't know if there is a word that encompasses the total stupidity such comments envelope.
i think we should start calling those stupid idiotic beyond words actions pulling a "blacken"
as bay's comments are so moronic he pulled a blacken...this could be used for other purposes as well such as running away and cowering from debate...
as in bay is going to pull a blacken in this thread...
;D :D ;D
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i think we should start calling those stupid idiotic beyond words actions pulling a "blacken"
as bay's comments are so moronic he pulled a blacken...this could be used for other purposes as well such as running away and cowering from debate...
as in bay is going to pull a blacken in this thread...
;D :D ;D
Oh yes, I like that! That is perfect!
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Disagreeing on politics, on policies, possessing differing ideologies, etc. fine, all of that is fine. Blaming Bush for 9/11 is not only stupid, it is beyond idiotic, I honestly don't know if there is a word that encompasses the total stupidity such comments envelope.
"Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US"
That's only the part that was made public, just imagine the other warnings this administration ignored. Had they stopped 9/11 they wouldn't have had any ground to start this "global war on terror"...
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"Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US"
That's only the part that was made public, just imagine the other warnings this administration ignored. Had they stopped 9/11 they wouldn't have had any ground to start this "global war on terror"...
Its not that simple, they receive thousands of pieces of intel everyday much of it ending up false
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"Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US"
That's only the part that was made public, just imagine the other warnings this administration ignored. Had they stopped 9/11 they wouldn't have had any ground to start this "global war on terror"...
That was not new news to the Bush administration. Bin Laden was set on attacking the U.S. long before Bush...remember, he already set of a bomb at the WTC long before Bush took office.
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Its not that simple, they receive thousands of pieces of intel everyday much of it ending up false
Yes it is, it wasn't like the thousands of other pieces of intel. It was important enough that the CIA went so far to put it into the presidents daily brief.
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lol i know a guy (drug addict what a suprise) who has bin ladin tattooed on his forearm just for the fun of it. Do you think that the TSA would let him in from sweden to the states :D
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Yes it is, it wasn't like the thousands of other pieces of intel. It was important enough that the CIA went so far to put it into the presidents daily brief.
what other intel made his brief eyeball?
hindsight is always 20/20, there was conflicting intel and useless intel flying all around...I dont think anyone can argue he didnt make a mistake but making a mistake and intentionally letting it happen are 2 different things
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since 9 /11 happened on his watch, you tell me ???
X 1000
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Yeah and Al Qaeda tried to blow up the WTC in 93 on Clintons watch, but I don't see any of you fuckheads screaming that Clinton didn't go after them ::)
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I don't believe so. I wouldn't blame him for 9/11 i think it was a perfect storm of arrogance we had let fester for many years. However, the war in Iraq, the subsequent torture and continued attitude that we detain people without trial and torture without thought of consequences will only serve to embolden terrorists, provide recruitment propaganda and continue to make us a major target.
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I don't believe so. I wouldn't blame him for 9/11 i think it was a perfect storm of arrogance we had let fester for many years. However, the war in Iraq, the subsequent torture and continued attitude that we detain people without trial and torture without thought of consequences will only serve to embolden terrorists, provide recruitment propaganda and continue to make us a major target.
Dude where have you been? You think any of that shit really is needed to recruit those crazy fuckers? This shit has been going on for as long as I can remember, there never seems to be shortage of dumbass's willing to blow themselves and others into small pieces. With the internet and 24/7/365 news we just have real time access to it.
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Kc is a fucking moron. Asking for his opinion on this topic is like asking a blind mute in a coma to sing at an opera.
Before the second invasion of Iraq ( remember there was one in the early 90's) terrorists clearly weren't motivated or emboldened! 911 was an inside job after all! So was the USS Cole, the embassy bombings in Africa, the first WTC attack, blowing up Pan Am flight 103 etc.
Kc has a point though. The United States was never a major target for any attacks of any kind until GW Bush took office. In fact, during the time he was in office we experienced a total of zero terrorist attacks after 911. Once GW left, the terrorists decided to tone it down because Obama was president. But the terrorists are using reverse psychology and are showing us some mercy. The Fort Hood Massacare was directed at military personell, therefore the argument can be made that when Al Queda radicalizes Americans, less civilians are killed as a result. Also, really stupid terrorists are being used. One couldn't blow up his underwear, another couldn't blow up an SUV in times square, etc. So really Al Queda is giving us latitude that never would have been extended under GW Bush. In less than two years we have had about half a dozen active terrorist attacks attempted on our shores. They were all foiled because GW Bush wasn't around to inflame tensions.
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I don't believe so. I wouldn't blame him for 9/11 i think it was a perfect storm of arrogance we had let fester for many years. However, the war in Iraq, the subsequent torture and continued attitude that we detain people without trial and torture without thought of consequences will only serve to embolden terrorists, provide recruitment propaganda and continue to make us a major target.
I do.
We have heard from both Richard Clarke, Condi Rice, and others (though obviously each had a different spin on it) that Clarke tried repeatedly to get the new administration to pay attention to terrorism and the signs of a potential attack. Red flags were popping up through intelligence channels with increasing frequency from Fall of 2000 through the Summer of 2001. Condi and company did not want to hear it. They did not think terrorism on US soil was a real or significant possibility. They had other priorities.
Congressman: Dr. Rice what was the title of that memo Richard Clarke put on your desk?
Condi: "Bin Laden determined to attack inside the United States."
Congressmen: And what did you do about it?
Condi: Nothing. Terrorism was not on my radar screen. :-[
America: :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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I do.
We have heard from both Richard Clarke, Condi Rice, and others (though obviously each had a different spin on it) that Clarke tried repeatedly to get the new administration to pay attention to terrorism and the signs of a potential attack. Red flags were popping up through intelligence channels with increasing frequency from Fall of 2000 through the Summer of 2001. Condi and company did not want to hear it. They did not think terrorism on US soil was a real or significant possibility. They had other priorities.
Congressman: Dr. Rice what was the title of that memo Richard Clarke put on your desk?
Condi: "Bin Laden determined to attack inside the United States."
Congressmen: And what did you do about it?
Condi: Nothing. Terrorism was not on my radar screen. :-[
America: :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Yep
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Her full testimony unedited. >:(
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George W Bush was all about option D
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George W Bush was all about option D
Haha how true! :D :D :D :D
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George W Bush was all about option D
hahah
maybe that's where Billy M learned it... ;D
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It's amusing people still think Bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11. He's been a CIA schill moneyman for decades. Why do you think the Clinton admin let him go? Not to mention the fact he's most likely been dead since 2001.
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again brain children hind sight is 20/20
how many other memos on terrorism did she see? how many didnt come to fruition?
another question for you guys
do you hold obama accountable for the stagnation of the economy? his policies have had a direct negative impact on the economy and it would be far better off if he choose not to pursue certain agenda issues...
so do you hold him responsible for this? it is a much more cut and dry issue than bush and 9/11 so id like to hear your thoughts on this guys...
do you blame bush for the financial melt down as well?
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As far as 9/11 and Iraq goes, I put much more blame on Chaney and Rumsfeld than I do Bush.
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As far as 9/11 and Iraq goes, I put much more blame on Chaney and Rumsfeld than I do Bush.
thats fine like I said hind sight is 20/20, it wasnt so clear during the actions but if you want to look at it through the clarity of 10 yrs later thats fine
would you mind answering the rest of the question please?
bush and the financial melt down?
obama and the stagnant economy?
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thats fine like I said hind sight is 20/20, it wasnt so clear during the actions but if you want to look at it through the clarity of 10 yrs later thats fine
would you mind answering the rest of the question please?
bush and the financial melt down?
obama and the stagnant economy?
Well, I wasn't chiming in on the Condoliza flame fest, but I'll answer since none of the other guys seem to care.
Bush and the financial meltdown: No definitely not. That was a string that started unraveling with Nixon and even more so Reagan and Clinton. (deregulation)
Obama and the economy: Nope, never have put the blame on him. I have felt he could have done things differently, but it wasn't his fault. If McCain was in his shoes, he would have done things pretty much the same way. It was a snowball that had been put in play before Obama was put in office so no one can logically put the blame on his shoulders.
I'm honestly more concerned with the so called war on terror and the repercussions to our rights and freedoms than I am about our economy. We'll bounce back from it, but I fear they are using the people's overall uncertainty and fear to fuel a move toward a totalitarian state.
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Dude where have you been? You think any of that shit really is needed to recruit those crazy fuckers? This shit has been going on for as long as I can remember, there never seems to be shortage of dumbass's willing to blow themselves and others into small pieces. With the internet and 24/7/365 news we just have real time access to it.
That's true but by invading Iraq and committing acts of terror ourselves we have only managed to reach out to further the terrorists cause and hatred for us. There is and always will be those that wish us harm, but now after what we have done and continue to do, we have given thousands more motivation to hate us. We had the moral high ground, we were the beacon of freedom, we had the worlds sympathy and support in Afghanistan and we fu*ked it all up.
Oh georgie boy still following me around is see. What a sad life it must be for you. Always in my wake, never being heard, being nothing but an idiot with a keyboard and internet connection 8)
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Well, I wasn't chiming in on the Condoliza flame fest, but I'll answer since none of the other guys seem to care.
Bush and the financial meltdown: No definitely not. That was a string that started unraveling with Nixon and even more so Reagan and Clinton. (deregulation)
Obama and the economy: Nope, never have put the blame on him. I have felt he could have done things differently, but it wasn't his fault. If McCain was in his shoes, he would have done things pretty much the same way. It was a snowball that had been put in play before Obama was put in office so no one can logically put the blame on his shoulders.
I'm honestly more concerned with the so called war on terror and the repercussions to our rights and freedoms than I am about our economy. We'll bounce back from it, but I fear they are using the people's overall uncertainty and fear to fuel a move toward a totalitarian state.
I wasnt asking if you blamed obama for the meltdown but for the stagnation of the economy...it is indisputable that his agenda has hindered the recovery of the economy...so do you place blame on him for putting his agenda infront of the US citizens? you are probably gainfully employed and that is possibly why you dont really have a concern with the economy? b/c it isnt effecting you?
I agree with you on the totalitarian state but then again are you against a govt that mandates health care as well?
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That's true but by invading Iraq and committing acts of terror ourselves we have only managed to reach out to further the terrorists cause and hatred for us. There is and always will be those that wish us harm, but now after what we have done and continue to do, we have given thousands more motivation to hate us. We had the moral high ground, we were the beacon of freedom, we had the worlds sympathy and support in Afghanistan and we fu*ked it all up.
Oh georgie boy still following me around is see. What a sad life it must be for you. Always in my wake, never being heard, being nothing but an idiot with a keyboard and internet connection 8)
bro you think if we went into afghanistan we wouldnt have ended up in another middle eastern country after the continually fucked with our guys there?
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I wasnt asking if you blamed obama for the meltdown but for the stagnation of the economy...it is indisputable that his agenda has hindered the recovery of the economy...so do you place blame on him for putting his agenda infront of the US citizens? you are probably gainfully employed and that is possibly why you dont really have a concern with the economy? b/c it isnt effecting you?
I agree with you on the totalitarian state but then again are you against a govt that mandates health care as well?
I agree, which is why I stated he could have handled things differently. I wasn't implying I'm not concerned about the economy at all, I am, I just have more concern about other issues. I had to leave the country earlier this year in order to find work, I was out of work for 6 months starting last year into this year. So I've been effected by it just like everyone else has. We've gone through tough times before (not quite as bad as it is now) and it's part of a cycle that we'll eventually come out of.
I'm against the government mandated health care, no question. I think nationalized health care can work, just not in the US.
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Her full testimony unedited. >:(
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That's true but by invading Iraq and committing acts of terror ourselves we have only managed to reach out to further the terrorists cause and hatred for us. There is and always will be those that wish us harm, but now after what we have done and continue to do, we have given thousands more motivation to hate us. We had the moral high ground, we were the beacon of freedom, we had the worlds sympathy and support in Afghanistan and we fu*ked it all up.
Oh georgie boy still following me around is see. What a sad life it must be for you. Always in my wake, never being heard, being nothing but an idiot with a keyboard and internet connection 8)
This is the typical liberal, victimizing the Muslims while vilifying the evil Westerners, all while ignoring the fact that Muslims have been committing mass murder and jihad since Islam's inception 1400 years ago. ::)
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I agree, which is why I stated he could have handled things differently. I wasn't implying I'm not concerned about the economy at all, I am, I just have more concern about other issues. I had to leave the country earlier this year in order to find work, I was out of work for 6 months starting last year into this year. So I've been effected by it just like everyone else has. We've gone through tough times before (not quite as bad as it is now) and it's part of a cycle that we'll eventually come out of.
I'm against the government mandated health care, no question. I think nationalized health care can work, just not in the US.
ok cool thanks for answering my questions
sorry to hear about your unemployment Ive been there bro I know it sucks, hope everything is looking up these days
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bump for hind sight revisionism...
how many memos did clinton get about bin laden?
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This is the typical liberal, victimizing the Muslims while vilifying the evil Westerners, all while ignoring the fact that Muslims have been committing mass murder and jihad since Islam's inception 1400 years ago. ::)
I'm sorry where have i defended terrorism? I don't believe you torture anyone regardless of their beliefs, if the person doing it is American or Muslim i won't support that persons methods one bit. Your argument seems to continue to be - an eye for an eye. We all know how that ends up, a cycle of violence escalating further and further out of control. Sometimes violence is unavoidable and sometimes extremists have to be stopped with force, this does not give one carte blanche to do anything they damn well please. Have you ever thought that perhaps we should and have an obligation to act like we are the best country in the world? And not someone that supports torture and detention without trial?