Did George Bush W. Bush make us safer during his term?

[ATHEIST]

How did he affect us regarding National Security? better because of him or worse?

[blacken700]

since 9 /11 happened on his watch, you tell me

[Soul Crusher]

since 9 /11 happened on his watch, you tell me

So if you want to blame Bush fo 911 - can I blame all of the job losses on Obama from the day he took office? 

[blacken700]

hahahahahahahahaahahaah you already do 

[Soul Crusher]

hahahahahahahahaahahaah you already do 

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Got me on that.   

[Cy Tolliver]

How did he affect us regarding National Security? better because of him or worse?

He let terrorists attack us on 9/11, and instead of securing the boarders and doing things to prevent future attacks, he just instituted a bunch of laws that conflict with our constitution in order to abuse our rights.

[ATHEIST]

He let terrorists attack us on 9/11, and instead of securing the boarders and doing things to prevent future attacks, he just instituted a bunch of laws that conflict with our constitution in order to abuse our rights.

ok, but in all honestly your belief that he allowed 9/11 is speculative.

cant you say he prevented future attacks being that we havent been attacked on U.S soil? I agree that our rights have been minimized in part to some of his policies.

Im not on one side or the other, just trying to get some overall opinions

[Kazan]

The patriot act is horse shit plain and simple. If the intel community hadn't been castrated by previous administrations odds are it could have been prevented. The only thing we have gotten out of this fucking mess is more unconstitutional bullshit that the law abiding American citizens have to deal with, which is SOP for the government. Political Correctness prevents profiling, El Al uses it and they seem to have a pretty damn good safety record.

[Emmortal]

Can anyone actually name any medium to large scale attacks that were prevented?  I haven't really looked into it in detail but can't think of anything off the top of my head.

[OzmO]

Or maybe the threat wasn't so great....    Or maybe we did such a good job on them outside the USA they have never been able to recover.

[Emmortal]

Or maybe the threat wasn't so great....    Or maybe we did such a good job on them outside the USA they have never been able to recover.

Or maybe the threat isn't as great as we've been lead to believe in order to gain further control over the citizens of the United States....

Things that make you go hmmmmm.....

[BayGBM]

since 9 /11 happened on his watch, you tell me

x2.

In addition 3000+ soldiers have died in Iraq unnecessarily. Not very safe for them and their families. 

And what do you think will happen to the next American serviceman/woman taken captive by the enemy.  That's right: torture!

[tonymctones]

x2.

In addition 3000+ soldiers have died in Iraq unnecessarily. Not very safe for them and their families. 

And what do you think will happen to the next American serviceman/woman taken captive by the enemy.  That's right: torture!

LMAO youre right that is bush's fault b/c its not like they would have tortured them anyway right? 

I bet you two morons think that bush is to blame for the financial collapse too dont you?

bay id be careful about agreeing with blacken he is quite the village idiot around here and I know how self concious you are about yourself and those you affiliate with Id hate to see you damage any potential networking opportunities...

[tonymctones]

x2.

In addition 3000+ soldiers have died in Iraq unnecessarily. Not very safe for them and their families. 

And what do you think will happen to the next American serviceman/woman taken captive by the enemy.  That's right: torture!

LMAO if it werent for bush muslims would all love us right bay?

We would hold hands and sing kumbya, right?

9/11 began being planned the moment bush got elected, right bay?

 

[Arnold jr]

Disagreeing on politics, on policies, possessing differing ideologies, etc. fine, all of that is fine. Blaming Bush for 9/11 is not only stupid, it is beyond idiotic, I honestly don't know if there is a word that encompasses the total stupidity such comments envelope.

[tonymctones]

Disagreeing on politics, on policies, possessing differing ideologies, etc. fine, all of that is fine. Blaming Bush for 9/11 is not only stupid, it is beyond idiotic, I honestly don't know if there is a word that encompasses the total stupidity such comments envelope.

i think we should start calling those stupid idiotic beyond words actions pulling a "blacken"

as bay's comments are so moronic he pulled a blacken...this could be used for other purposes as well such as running away and cowering from debate...

as in bay is going to pull a blacken in this thread...

 

[Arnold jr]

i think we should start calling those stupid idiotic beyond words actions pulling a "blacken"

as bay's comments are so moronic he pulled a blacken...this could be used for other purposes as well such as running away and cowering from debate...

as in bay is going to pull a blacken in this thread...

 

Oh yes, I like that! That is perfect!

[Cy Tolliver]

Disagreeing on politics, on policies, possessing differing ideologies, etc. fine, all of that is fine. Blaming Bush for 9/11 is not only stupid, it is beyond idiotic, I honestly don't know if there is a word that encompasses the total stupidity such comments envelope.

"Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US"

That's only the part that was made public, just imagine the other warnings this administration ignored.  Had they stopped 9/11 they  wouldn't have had any ground to start this "global war on terror"...

[OzmO]

"Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US"

That's only the part that was made public, just imagine the other warnings this administration ignored.  Had they stopped 9/11 they  wouldn't have had any ground to start this "global war on terror"...

Its not that simple, they receive thousands of pieces of intel everyday much of it ending up false

[Arnold jr]

"Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US"

That's only the part that was made public, just imagine the other warnings this administration ignored.  Had they stopped 9/11 they  wouldn't have had any ground to start this "global war on terror"...

That was not new news to the Bush administration. Bin Laden was set on attacking the U.S. long before Bush...remember, he already set of a bomb at the WTC long before Bush took office.

[Cy Tolliver]

Its not that simple, they receive thousands of pieces of intel everyday much of it ending up false

Yes it is, it wasn't like the thousands of other pieces of intel.  It was important enough that the CIA went so far to put it into the presidents daily brief.

[Kim Jong Bob]

lol i know a guy (drug addict what a suprise) who has bin ladin tattooed on his forearm just for the fun of it. Do you think that the TSA would let him in from sweden to the states

[tonymctones]

Yes it is, it wasn't like the thousands of other pieces of intel.  It was important enough that the CIA went so far to put it into the presidents daily brief.

what other intel made his brief eyeball?

hindsight is always 20/20, there was conflicting intel and useless intel flying all around...I dont think anyone can argue he didnt make a mistake but making a mistake and intentionally letting it happen are 2 different things

[Cohibia]

since 9 /11 happened on his watch, you tell me

X 1000

[Kazan]

Yeah and Al Qaeda tried to blow up the WTC in 93 on Clintons watch, but I don't see any of you fuckheads screaming that Clinton didn't go after them