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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: littleguns on November 17, 2010, 04:13:54 PM
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NEW YORK — American Media Inc, publisher of the National Enquirer and Star supermarket tabloids as well as body-toning magazines such as Men's Fitness, on Wednesday filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.
The filing follows American Media's announcement on November 1 that it won support from most of its bondholders for a debt-for-equity restructuring plan to reduce debt and improve cash flow.
American Media's "prepackaged" bankruptcy is designed to allow a quick restructuring.
The company, which has offices in New York and Boca Raton, Florida, has said it expects to emerge from Chapter 11 within 60 days of filing.
American Media and more than one dozen affiliates sought protection with the U.S. bankruptcy court in Manhattan.
The company has more than $1 billion of liabilities, a court filing shows. Its titles also include Flex, Muscle & Fitness, Natural Health and Shape.
The case is In re: American Media Inc, U.S. Bankruptcy Court, Southern District of New York, No. 10-16040.
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Star magazine and National Enquirer publisher American Media Inc. officially filed its pre-packaged Chapter 11 bankruptcy plan today in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the Southern District of New York. The restructuring petition was agreed upon by bondholders holding more than 75 percent of the company’s bond debt and secured lenders holding more than 70 percent of its bank debt.
AMI was a bit more specific about the breakdown in a statement announcing the filing:
The Prepackaged Plan, which has been approved by the majority of creditors entitled to vote on the Prepackaged Plan, contemplates that, among other things, holders of secured term facility claims will receive a combination of cash and new second lien notes; holders of secured revolver claims will be paid in full; holders of subordinated notes will receive stock in the reorganized Company; and holders of trade claims will be paid in full.
In addition to the main petition, AMI also filed a handful of motions requesting a number of things, among them: to continue employee wage and benefits programs; to honor current customer programs without interruption; and to pay creditors in the “ordinary course of business.” AMI says it does not intend to seek debtor-in-possession financing.
AMI announced earlier this month that it was moving toward filing a pre-packaged bankruptcy plan that would “significantly de-lever” its balance sheet. The company says it expects to emerge from the process within 60 days.
Earlier today, it was reported that Valerie Latona, the editor of AMI’s Shape magazine, is no longer with the magazine. Latona, who came under fire after a recent cover story featuring singer LeAnn Rimes, will be replaced by Star beauty and fashion director Tara Kraft.
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Wow! Wonder what the fallout from this will be.
Here's a list of all of their mags:
http://www.americanmediainc.com/categories/media-brands
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This won't affect Flex and M & F
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Print is dying a slow painful death.
Jus' sayin'.
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Wonder if any other printers like Conde Nast will buy any of the mags
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This won't affect Flex and M & F
How do you know? I've heard people have already been laid off and that they're moving M&F to NY. So it's not true?
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How do you know? I've heard people have already been laid off and that they're moving M&F to NY. So it's not true?
They are moving some of the people from California to NY to be under the watchful eye of David Pecker however you (the consumer) won't see any changes in the magazines, at least in the short term.
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The decline of BB magazines would mean bodybuilders will become more dependent on “underground” schmoe venues like private posing, Jimmy Z’s muscle jams, musclegallery, etc. :-\
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They are moving some of the people from California to NY to be under the watchful eye of David Pecker however you (the consumer) won't see any changes in the magazines, at least in the short term.
Sounds like a fun work atmosphere.
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The decline of BB magazines would mean bodybuilders will become more dependent on “underground” schmoe venues like private posing, Jimmy Z’s muscle jams, musclegallery, etc. :-\
Why can't the same revenue being generated by the legacy media be spent on 'supporting' bodybuilders??
Or do you think the magazine websites are merely a loss leader for the print magazines in decline?
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They are moving some of the people from California to NY to be under the watchful eye of David Pecker however you (the consumer) won't see any changes in the magazines, at least in the short term.
So some people are moving, what does that mean for the other people? I heard from someone I consider reliable that a number of people were laid off at either Muscle & Fitness or Flex or both. Are you saying this didn't happen or what? How can you produce the same magazines with a smaller staff?
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AMI needs a Government bailout! ;D
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So some people are moving, what does that mean for the other people? I heard from someone I consider reliable that a number of people were laid off at either Muscle & Fitness or Flex or both. Are you saying this didn't happen or what? How can you produce the same magazines with a smaller staff? And what does Blechman think of this? If I were him I'd be doing a happy dance right now.
From what I understand everyone had the option to move to NY, obviously not everyone is willing to pick up and move cross country so those people are out of a job. The other people will pick up the slack.
Yes I bet Blechman is loving this.
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From what I understand everyone had the option to move to NY, obviously not everyone is willing to pick up and move cross country so those people are out of a job. The other people will pick up the slack.
Maybe you're right.
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Why can't the same revenue being generated by the legacy media be spent on 'supporting' bodybuilders??
Or do you think the magazine websites are merely a loss leader for the print magazines in decline?
It can, but not every bodybuilder would welcome that kind of direct transactional support. If you think about it, magazines served a useful purpose. They sanitized what is really a seedy business; they were a barrier between the bodybuilder and their schmoe fans. This was good for bodybuilders, many of whom didn’t want to face the fact that the primary audience for their muscle shows, photographs, and flexing sessions were schmoes. As long as they were simply posing for legitimate magazines then it all seemed kosher.
The rise of more explicit venues like musclegallery, musclejams, and private posing have stripped away that veneer and even the duller knives in the drawer are starting to realize the truth: you are posing and flexing for audiences of bi-curious and gay men. How many straight men would be really comfortable with that realization?
The decline of BB magazines will move BB online and make it more explicit and transactional. :-\
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Last month (I think) I posted in a thread that someone started about Flex moving to NY and I sarcastically said "great move, they move from one state (CA) that's an economic disaster to another states that's worse than Cali...brilliant!" And (of course) got bashed for it. Now look where they stand!
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has to be photo shopped?
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What is photoshopped? I don't get pics on my phone?
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It can, but not every bodybuilder would welcome that kind of direct transactional support. If you think about it, magazines served a useful purpose. They sanitized what is really a seedy business; they were a barrier between the bodybuilder and their schmoe fans. This was good for bodybuilders, many of whom didn’t want to face the fact that the primary audience for their muscle shows, photographs, and flexing sessions were schmoes. As long as they were simply posing for legitimate magazines then it all seemed kosher.
The rise of more explicit venues like musclegallery, musclejams, and private posing have stripped away that veneer and even the duller knives in the drawer are starting to realize the truth: you are posing and flexing for audiences of bi-curious and gay men. How many straight men would be really comfortable with that realization?
The decline of BB magazines will move BB online and make it more explicit and transactional. :-\
No, they're not. They're competing in the sport of BB to an audience of the paying public, mostly made up of family, industry people, fans, women, men, children, and yes...I'm sure there are some bi-curious and gay men as well.....just as there are at the movies, a football game, baseball game, mma, etc...
Straight men who dont have any insecurities, have no issue with going to a BB show and supportiung their friend/ father/ son/ etc on stage.....as there is nothing inherently "gay" about hitting poses and having a competition...in YOUR mind, it plays a little differently, but it seems you cant grasp the idea that you and I are looking at the same thing but viewing it completely different.
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has to be photo shopped?
Sigh. My naďve young friend... ;D
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Sigh. My naďve young friend... ;D
What pro or amateur show is that from? ::)
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Print media is dying... it's as simple as that. Even if Flex and M&F were to go away it won't bring more readers to the other muscle mags as the entire concept of selling and buying a print magazine at the newstands is outdated and doomed.
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No, they're not. They're competing in the sport of BB to an audience of the paying public, mostly made up of family, industry people, fans, women, men, children, and yes...I'm sure there are some bi-curious and gay men as well.....just as there are at the movies, a football game, baseball game, mma, etc...
Straight men who dont have any insecurities, have no issue with going to a BB show and supportiung their friend/ father/ son/ etc on stage.....as there is nothing inherently "gay" about hitting poses and having a competition...in YOUR mind, it plays a little differently, but it seems you cant grasp the idea that you and I are looking at the same thing but viewing it completely different.
There is something inherently gay about showing off your body to an audience of men--especially when a BB competitor leaves the contest stage and goes directly to his private posing/escort appointments (as may BBs do).
By the way, were you posing for family, industry people, women, and children when you decided to participate in photo spreads like this one? One doesn’t’ have to look far to find bodybuilding champions in cheesy photo spreads or otherwise engaged in muscle escort work. I think you are in major denial . . . but that is your prerogative. I’ll agree that you and I are looking at the same thing but viewing it completely different. Fair enough. You and I are not going to change each other's minds; I leave it to objective third parties to draw their own conclusions about what is really going on… but those conclusions should be based on more than glossy photos from BB magazines. Still, even ostensibly innocent magazine photos are marked by a curiously gay aesthetic. For example, this Yates pic. ::)
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There is something inherently gay about showing off your body to an audience of men--especially when a BB competitor leaves the contest stage and goes directly to his private posing/escort appointments (as may BBs do).
By the way, were you posing for family, industry people, women, and children when you decided to participate in photo spreads like this one? One doesn’t’ have to look far to find bodybuilding champions in cheesy photo spreads or otherwise engaged in muscle escort work. I think you are in major denial . . . but that is your prerogative. I’ll agree that you and I are looking at the same thing but viewing it completely different. Fair enough. You and I are not going to change each other's minds; I leave it to objective third parties to draw their own conclusions about what is really going on… but those conclusions should be based on more than glossy photos from BB magazines. Still, even ostensibly innocent magazine photos are marked by a curiously gay aesthetic. For example, this Yates pic. ::)
Nice owning.
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There is something inherently gay about showing off your body to an audience of men--especially when a BB competitor leaves the contest stage and goes directly to his private posing/escort appointments (as may BBs do).
By the way, were you posing for family, industry people, women, and children when you decided to participate in photo spreads like this one? One doesn’t’ have to look far to find bodybuilding champions in cheesy photo spreads or otherwise engaged in muscle escort work. I think you are in major denial . . . but that is your prerogative. I’ll agree that you and I are looking at the same thing but viewing it completely different. Fair enough. You and I are not going to change each other's minds; I leave it to objective third parties to draw their own conclusions about what is really going on… but those conclusions should be based on more than glossy photos from BB magazines. Still, even ostensibly innocent magazine photos are marked by a curiously gay aesthetic. For example, this Yates pic. ::)
Yes sir...I agree that the photo you posted certainly is "inherently gay" some BB posing for an audience of men which has NOTHING to do with legitimate BB competitions held in venues. As to your comment about anyone leaving a contest stage and going "directly to a private posing/ escort appointment"...I'm sure it happens, but it's not the norm, and doesnt reflect the overwhelming majority of BBers who DONT engage in anything remotely associated....
To answer your question....no, the one photo of me you keep posting had nothing to do with anything but a photo shoot with David Paul, and it was with a girl named Leighann Ross, and it was just a part of Davids wacky/ eccentric shooting style.....and also proof to your point that we do certainly view pics differently. Ther is nothing "gay" about that photo...no other men in the pic. Same for the one pic of Dorian....what you see as gay, others do not.
I'm in denial about nothing...are there gay guys in BB? Yes. Are there gay fans who attend BB shows? Yes. But to keep insinuating that we as pro bbers "pose to an audience of gay men...." is simply not true and is miselading at best....maybe in your gay fantasy world....but in reality, the audience is made up of the folks I mentioned...as anyone who goes to shows can see.
So if you and a few of your gay buddies attend a MMA event, is it all of a sudden "gay"? Lets see, two guys wrestling around with each other trying to gain dominence and "pin" the other guy down on the ground, while wearing small, lycra briefs, surrounded by an audience of cheering men....?
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dont forget about those gay military fetish pix bob took a while back-those were the worst and most gay of all his "work" hes done
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Yes sir...I agree that the photo you posted certainly is "inherently gay" some BB posing for an audience of men which has NOTHING to do with legitimate BB competitions held in venues. As to your comment about anyone leaving a contest stage and going "directly to a private posing/ escort appointment"...I'm sure it happens, but it's not the norm, and doesnt reflect the overwhelming majority of BBers who DONT engage in anything remotely associated....
To answer your question....no, the one photo of me you keep posting had nothing to do with anything but a photo shoot with David Paul, and it was with a girl named Leighann Ross, and it was just a part of Davids wacky/ eccentric shooting style.....and also proof to your point that we do certainly view pics differently. Ther is nothing "gay" about that photo...no other men in the pic. Same for the one pic of Dorian....what you see as gay, others do not.
I'm in denial about nothing...are there gay guys in BB? Yes. Are there gay fans who attend BB shows? Yes. But to keep insinuating that we as pro bbers "pose to an audience of gay men...." is simply not true and is miselading at best....maybe in your gay fantasy world....but in reality, the audience is made up of the folks I mentioned...as anyone who goes to shows can see.
So if you and a few of your gay buddies attend a MMA event, is it all of a sudden "gay"? Lets see, two guys wrestling around with each other trying to gain dominence and "pin" the other guy down on the ground, while wearing small, lycra briefs, surrounded by an audience of cheering men....?
It is amusing to hear you and others compare bodybuilding to MMA, wrestling, and football in an obvious effort to claim their legitimacy. No one here is asserting that those sports are gay so your comparison is unwarranted. For one thing, those are real sports, requiring real athleticism and one does not often (ever?) see athletes from those sports peddling themselves to other men as escorts or popping up in schmoe venues like lifestyle videos, etc. That is the norm in bodybuilding. Even Yates called it a pageant.
I am all for fitness and training, and if one wants to show off his physique to friends and family more power to you… but why wear daisy dukes, put on a thong, or pose for musclegallery as so many well known BBs do? I do not think you will have much luck convincing any objective person that photos like these (which are the norm in this sport) are aimed at “family, industry people, fans, women, men, & children.” ::)
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dont forget about those gay military fetish pix bob took a while back-those were the worst and most gay of all his "work" hes done
You got them to post Gene? I forgot about those.
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Yes sir...I agree that the photo you posted certainly is "inherently gay" some BB posing for an audience of men which has NOTHING to do with legitimate BB competitions held in venues. As to your comment about anyone leaving a contest stage and going "directly to a private posing/ escort appointment"...I'm sure it happens, but it's not the norm, and doesnt reflect the overwhelming majority of BBers who DONT engage in anything remotely associated....
To answer your question....no, the one photo of me you keep posting had nothing to do with anything but a photo shoot with David Paul, and it was with a girl named Leighann Ross, and it was just a part of Davids wacky/ eccentric shooting style.....and also proof to your point that we do certainly view pics differently. Ther is nothing "gay" about that photo...no other men in the pic. Same for the one pic of Dorian....what you see as gay, others do not.
I'm in denial about nothing...are there gay guys in BB? Yes. Are there gay fans who attend BB shows? Yes. But to keep insinuating that we as pro bbers "pose to an audience of gay men...." is simply not true and is miselading at best....maybe in your gay fantasy world....but in reality, the audience is made up of the folks I mentioned...as anyone who goes to shows can see.
So if you and a few of your gay buddies attend a MMA event, is it all of a sudden "gay"? Lets see, two guys wrestling around with each other trying to gain dominence and "pin" the other guy down on the ground, while wearing small, lycra briefs, surrounded by an audience of cheering men....?
If there are gay bodybuilders and gay audience members there to see bodybuilders, then by definition Bob, bodybuilders are posing to an audience of gay men. Are there family members of competitors there? Yes, but you're making the same mistake that you claim Bay is making, and that's taking a small sample size and applying it to the intended population. I don't know how you can make yourself honestly believe that bodybuilder is a family oriented sport dedicated to the enjoyment of families and children. Have you ever been to an expo? It's a freak show at best. Bodybuilding is like a gay version of the circus. People come to see the freaks and stare and point at them, except bodybuilding is worse because the freaks are all middle aged men in thongs. Both are outcasts from society, mingle among themselves, and most likely have no chance of succeeding after their carnival, I mean competition days are over.
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It is amusing to hear you and others compare bodybuilding to MMA, wrestling, and football in an obvious effort to claim their legitimacy. No one here is asserting that those sports are gay so your comparison is unwarranted. For one thing, those are real sports, requiring real athleticism and one does not often (ever?) see athletes from those sports peddling themselves to other men as escorts or popping up in schmoe venues like lifestyle videos, etc. That is the norm in bodybuilding. Even Yates called it a pageant.
I’m all for fitness and training, and if one wants to show off his physique to friends and family more power to you… but why wear daisy dukes, put on a thong, or pose for musclegallery as so many well known BBs do? I do not think you will have much luck convincing any objective person that photos like these (which are the norm in this sport) are aimed at “of family, industry people, fans, women, men, children.” ::)
They're not named to try and legitimize them as real "sports"...you've missed the point entirely....again. Because YOU cant look at thigs objectively...
So, by your logic, you watching two guys wrestle around with barely anything on, ISNT gay, because you believe it to be more of a "sport"???
Seems a little backwards to me....
Those photo's arent the "norm for the sport"...they're photo's that idividuals have taken for whatever reasons they chose. The "sport" photo's can be found on the stage, taken by photographers in the pit, watched by men, women, children, and all fans alike....
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dont forget about those gay military fetish pix bob took a while back-those were the worst and most gay of all his "work" hes done
Of couse you think they're gay, you're looking through the same glasses as Bay...difference is, he's not hiding it.
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They're not named to try and legitimize them as real "sports"...you've missed the point entirely....again. Because YOU cant look at thigs objectively...
So, by your logic, you watching two guys wrestle around with barely anything on, ISNT gay, because you believe it to be more of a "sport"???
Seems a little backwards to me....
Those photo's arent the "norm for the sport"...they're photo's that idividuals have taken for whatever reasons they chose. The "sport" photo's can be found on the stage, taken by photographers in the pit, watched by men, women, children, and all fans alike....
I hope no adult would dare take their child to a bodybuilding show
whynot just carry them to a strip club because of how graceful a sport pole dancing is ::)
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What's up Bob Chick. How's it going? ;)
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Let's hear from the amen corner... ;D
I agree with Bay
bay was right...
lol! how could md possibly deny this is blatant homosexual photography....has nothing to do with bodybuilding at all...
Bay,
You were right, I was wrong and sincerely apologize for doubting that bodybuilding attracts a lot of closet homosexuals. After reading the Kevin Levrone does triceps thread it's clear you were speaking from expertise and wisdom and I was speaking from ignorance and denial. It was just hard accepting that an activity/lifestyle which has turned my life around so much could be trivialized to nothing more than sexual fantasies by gays. It pretty much makes sense as I find fitness chicks hot and don't typically consider how much work they put in to maintain their bodies.
I shouldn't have doubted your wisdom, honesty and experience on this matter and apologize once again.
Jake
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Let's hear from the amen corner... ;D
Well, that seals the deal then....handful of random people on a internet site ::)
I see you cant seem to answer any of the questions I threw back at you....
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Some people still don't know how gay bodybuilding is?
People are fucking stupid. They love to live life with their head in the sand so not to burst their own bubble.
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Well, that seals the deal then....handful of random people on a internet site ::)
I see you cant seem to answer any of the questions I threw back at you....
Just because a person types something on the internet, doesn't mean they are always 100% wrong
::)
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Some people still don't know how gay bodybuilding is?
People are fucking stupid. They love to live life with their head in the sand so not to burst their own bubble.
Whats "gay", is a bunch of BB wannabe's spending time on a BB site claiming that BB is "Gay"....
LAUGHABLE
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Whats "gay", is a bunch of BB wannabe's spending time on a BB site claiming that BB is "Gay"....
LAUGHABLE
I disagree that this is only a bodybuilding site
my evidence? Look at all the different forums here for various subjects
Your argument is no longer valid
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Well, that seals the deal then....handful of random people on a internet site ::)
I see you cant seem to answer any of the questions I threw back at you....
I do not need to answer your questions because I am not trying to convince you of anything. I am content to have people view the images and fact patterns that surround bodybuilding (private posing, lifestyle videos, escorting, the magazines etc.) and draw their own conclusions. btw, the titillation of today's bodybuilding is nothing new; it goes all the way back to the days of The Young Physique magazine . . . and even back to Sandow himself.
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Whats "gay", is a bunch of BB wannabe's spending time on a BB site claiming that BB is "Gay"....
LAUGHABLE
I'll show you "gay" if I ever catch you alone in the showers bro.
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I do not need to answer your questions because I am not trying to convince you of anything. I am content to have people view the images and fact patterns that surround bodybuilding (private posing, lifestyle videos, escorting, the magazines etc.) and draw their own conclusions. btw, the titillation of today's bodybuilding is nothing new; it goes all the way back to the days of The Young Physique magazine . . . and even back to Sandow himself.
You CANT answer them....because logic ruins your obscured thinking.
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You CANT answer them....because logic ruins your obscured thinking.
so does yours
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Bob Chick is just trying to make a living out of bodybuilding so he defends the industry at all costs like a true company man.
That's the story.
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If you think about it, magazines served a useful purpose. They sanitized what is really a seedy business; they were a barrier between the bodybuilder and their schmoe fans. This was good for bodybuilders, many of whom didn’t want to face the fact that the primary audience for their muscle shows, photographs, and flexing sessions were schmoes. As long as they were simply posing for legitimate magazines then it all seemed kosher.
Bay, while I admire your level-headed posts on a lot of threads, you're really out in left field this time pushing your gay agenda.
First of all, if you want to analyze what BB magazines are there for, think about these things first:
1. They're there as an advertising vehicle for the supplement industry
2. They're there to inform, entertain and educate heterosexual males who want to learn from/emulate the big guys they see in them -- not have sex with them
If you want to list catering to gays, it'd be further down on the list.
Matter of fact, there was a great retrospective article a year or two ago in which MuscleMag International Publisher Robert Kennedy said when he put two men on the cover (don't quote me on this, but I think it was before Bob Paris) it didn't sell at all and he even received death threats. You haven't seen a cover like that since.
Go ask any magazine publisher. When there's a hot chick on the cover, newsstand sales do well. That's proof who is buying bodybuilding magazines.
But I digress.
What the real issues here are:
a. How the Internet has changed the advertising world
b. How print media is dying
c. We're in an economic slump
You put all those together, and making any print publication successful is a challenge.
It would be a shame to see Flex, Muscle & Fitness or MuscleMag go away. As much as I see the mags for what they are (a giant supplement ad), there is still some content I enjoy reading. As much as the Internet is nice, I'm still a fan of reading the printed page.
If you stopped trying to relate every single freakin' thing in bodybuilding to being gay, you'd get more respect around here.
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Well said
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I'm in denial about nothing...are there gay guys in BB? Yes. Are there gay fans who attend BB shows? Yes. But to keep insinuating that we as pro bbers "pose to an audience of gay men...." is simply not true and is miselading at best....maybe in your gay fantasy world....but in reality, the audience is made up of the folks I mentioned...as anyone who goes to shows can see.
So if you and a few of your gay buddies attend a MMA event, is it all of a sudden "gay"? Lets see, two guys wrestling around with each other trying to gain dominence and "pin" the other guy down on the ground, while wearing small, lycra briefs, surrounded by an audience of cheering men....?
I agree with Bob. Bodybuilding audiences are no gayer than any other sporting event. You'll actually find a lot of families or couples who spend their vacation time and discretionary income to attend shows.
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I agree with Bob. Bodybuilding audiences are no gayer than any other sporting event. You'll actually find a lot of families or couples who spend their vacation time and discretionary income to attend shows.
Of course. Bodybuilding is a ver family-friendly atmosphere. Lots of soccer Moms and businessmen love to go to a bodybuilding show on the weekend and cheer for their favorite bodybuilder. All in good fun.
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I agree with Bob. Bodybuilding audiences are no gayer than any other sporting event. You'll actually find a lot of families or couples who spend their vacation time and discretionary income to attend shows.
I hope this is sarcasm
Even if this was true, even if we assume that Bob's argument is true, and that other sports are the same as bodybuilding. This in no way justifies bodybuilding being the way it is. One could easily say that no sports should be like that. (This holds true for Bob's anti-gay argument and pro-steroid argument). Either way he loses.
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when i was a kid, my dad would take me, my mom, my little brother and my sis to all kinds of fun things on the weekends like the zoo, and baseball games, and the movies, and bodybuilding shows . . .
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Of course. Bodybuilding is a ver family-friendly atmosphere. Lots of soccer Moms and businessmen love to go to a bodybuilding show on the weekend and cheer for their favorite bodybuilder. All in good fun.
Just because bodybuilding is not popular does not make it gay. There are soccer moms and businessmen in attendance; along with former competitors, family, friends, gym rats, and anyone else who follows bodybuilding.
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when i was a kid, my dad would take me, my mom, my little brother and my sis to all kinds of fun things on the weekends like the zoo, and baseball games, and the movies, and bodybuilding shows . . .
While you're trying to be funny, the truth is actually the complete opposite...it was ME that took my folks and brother and sister and friends to MY BB competitions, and they always obliged to support me, and had a great time in the process...this would reflect most of what makes up the fanbase, especially at the NPC level...
Lots of great memories and travel, got to meet lots of interesting people along the way as well as opportunities and networking over the years...
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While you're trying to be funny, the truth is actually the complete opposite...it was ME that took my folks and brother and sister and friends to MY BB competitions, and they always obliged to support me, and had a great time in the process...this would reflect most of what makes up the fanbase, especially at the NPC level...
Lots of great memories and travel, got to meet lots of interesting people along the way as well as opportunities and networking over the years...
Please tell me you don't take your children to the expos to see the freaks and fitness sluts of the industry or to watch the show of middle aged men in baby oil shaking their g string butts to music
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It's gay. And now the male physique division is basically just a way for schmoes to see local male strippers on stage. Polymorphism.
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How many sports introduce their new athletes as "barely legal freaks"? Choir, can I get an amen?
This is NO disrespect to Trey as he is obviously gifted and a very good BB but the TITLE of the video is so so obviously crafted to entice the mind of homo freaks w/ fetishes for YOUNG 'boys' with lots of muscles.
"BARELY LEGAL FREAK"
wtf?
are you advertising some kind of porno?
how is he barely legal? hes 23? barely legal for gay sex?!?!?! ::)
bill comstock are you trying to recruite him to g4p?
yes it is gay but what do you guys think of all of the false measurement claims. i mean does anyone have 35-38inch quads
If Trey was after the gay market, he got them. This video is already all over gay forums and user groups. Gay fans are the most loyal of all fans and have money. I suppose he wanted them as a good base to help launch his career. Not a bad move. A lot of celebrities follow the same formula. They court the gay audience because they are not as fickle and will not abandon when when things get tough.
definitely a homoerotic video.
They're not even pretending anymore.....just straight "gayness for sale". :-\
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I dont think all that effort is needed to prove Bob wrong
When chick gets done viewing 1 guy 2 teens thread on the more explicit sex board, he'll come back here to talk about how bodybuilding is centered around moral values
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How many sports introduce their new athletes as "barely legal freaks"? Choir, can I get an amen?
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I know...look what the NFL has done
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/fantasyjoe/post/2010/11/studs-duds-dez-bryant/1
Studs? Duds? Hot?? WTF...."fantasy"...what kind of fantasy..??
Holy shit...the whole world is GAY....!!
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I know...look what the NFL has done
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/fantasyjoe/post/2010/11/studs-duds-dez-bryant/1
Studs? Duds? Hot?? WTF...."fantasy"...what kind of fantasy..??
Holy shit...the whole world is GAY....!!
The "They do it too!" argument does not work to justify actions. For example, the argument that "Well since football teams sell football players, it's right for individuals to sell other individuals (human trafficking)".
This is a stupid technique
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The "They do it too!" argument does not work to justify actions. For example, the argument that "Well since football teams sell football players, it's right for individuals to sell other individuals (human trafficking)".
This is a stupid technique
Are you stoned? That has to be the single dumbest analogy I've ever seen....
With Bay's mentality, this means the NFL is gay as well....this the reasoning for the example....GET IT??
Besides, lets look at it...guys running around with tight, form fitting uniforms, tackling each other, names like "tight end" and "wide receiver" quarterback with his hands under the centers balls, audience of mostly men cheering them on...obviously made to pertain to the gay community
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Are you stoned? That has to be the single dumbest analogy I've ever seen....
With Bay's mentality, this means the NFL is gay as well....this the reasoning for the example....GET IT??
Besides, lets look at it...guys running around with tight, form fitting uniforms, tackling each other, names like "tight end" and "wide receiver" quarterback with his hands under the centers balls, audience of mostly men cheering them on...obviously made to pertain to the gay community
You're justifying the gayness of bodybuilding by saying that other sports are also gay (If football is gay, and here is how football is gay, but football is not gay, so therefore bodybuilding is not gay). You do the same thing with saying steroid use is okay, because other sports have steroid users. You do it with everything. By saying things like "Gay people are also in basketball" or whatever sport you want to compare bodybuilding with on a given night. This is how you shun the bad part of bodybuilding. It does not justify the bad part of bodybuilding existing.
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No, they're not. They're competing in the sport of BB to an audience of the paying public, mostly made up of family, industry people, fans, women, men, children, and yes...I'm sure there are some bi-curious and gay men as well.....just as there are at the movies, a football game, baseball game, mma, etc...
Straight men who dont have any insecurities, have no issue with going to a BB show and supportiung their friend/ father/ son/ etc on stage.....as there is nothing inherently "gay" about hitting poses and having a competition...in YOUR mind, it plays a little differently, but it seems you cant grasp the idea that you and I are looking at the same thing but viewing it completely different.
you are absolutely right chick. don't feed into all these guys man. most of them get on here to bash bbing probably don't even workout let alone have every competed
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you are absolutely right chick. don't feed into all these guys man. most of them get on here to bash bbing probably don't even workout let alone have every competed
Yes. People that step on stage in a thong in front of a cheering audience to grind their flexed ass to music are the ONLY ones that should be listened to and are the ONLY ones that deserve the right to be heard, because they are better than everybody else in society.
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You're justifying the gayness of bodybuilding by saying that other sports are also gay (If football is gay, and here is how football is gay, but football is not gay, so therefore bodybuilding is not gay). You do the same thing with saying steroid use is okay, because other sports have steroid users. You do it with everything. By saying things like "Gay people are also in basketball" or whatever sport you want to compare bodybuilding with on a given night. This is how you shun the bad part of bodybuilding. It does not justify the bad part of bodybuilding existing.
also, Chick has shrugged off all the lies of the supplement companies re their snake oils by comparing it to parents lying to their kids about santa claus & the tooth fairy hahaha.
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also, Chick has shrugged off all the lies of the supplement companies re their snake oils by comparing it to parents lying to their kids about santa claus & the tooth fairy hahaha.
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What pro or amateur show is that from? ::)
The Joe Weider bedroom classic perhaps?
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NEW YORK — American Media Inc, publisher of the National Enquirer and Star supermarket tabloids as well as body-toning magazines such as Men's Fitness, on Wednesday filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.
The filing follows American Media's announcement on November 1 that it won support from most of its bondholders for a debt-for-equity restructuring plan to reduce debt and improve cash flow.
American Media's "prepackaged" bankruptcy is designed to allow a quick restructuring.
The company, which has offices in New York and Boca Raton, Florida, has said it expects to emerge from Chapter 11 within 60 days of filing.
American Media and more than one dozen affiliates sought protection with the U.S. bankruptcy court in Manhattan.
The company has more than $1 billion of liabilities, a court filing shows. Its titles also include Flex, Muscle & Fitness, Natural Health and Shape.
The case is In re: American Media Inc, U.S. Bankruptcy Court, Southern District of New York, No. 10-16040.
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Star magazine and National Enquirer publisher American Media Inc. officially filed its pre-packaged Chapter 11 bankruptcy plan today in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the Southern District of New York. The restructuring petition was agreed upon by bondholders holding more than 75 percent of the company’s bond debt and secured lenders holding more than 70 percent of its bank debt.
AMI was a bit more specific about the breakdown in a statement announcing the filing:
The Prepackaged Plan, which has been approved by the majority of creditors entitled to vote on the Prepackaged Plan, contemplates that, among other things, holders of secured term facility claims will receive a combination of cash and new second lien notes; holders of secured revolver claims will be paid in full; holders of subordinated notes will receive stock in the reorganized Company; and holders of trade claims will be paid in full.
In addition to the main petition, AMI also filed a handful of motions requesting a number of things, among them: to continue employee wage and benefits programs; to honor current customer programs without interruption; and to pay creditors in the “ordinary course of business.” AMI says it does not intend to seek debtor-in-possession financing.
AMI announced earlier this month that it was moving toward filing a pre-packaged bankruptcy plan that would “significantly de-lever” its balance sheet. The company says it expects to emerge from the process within 60 days.
Earlier today, it was reported that Valerie Latona, the editor of AMI’s Shape magazine, is no longer with the magazine. Latona, who came under fire after a recent cover story featuring singer LeAnn Rimes, will be replaced by Star beauty and fashion director Tara Kraft.
I hear Melvin's "Muscle World Order" is going to bank roll AMI and keep them out of bankruptcy
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Bodybuilding magazines are there for one thing, selling products. SInce the gay and bi population only represents a very small minority of the population, it would be very silly marketing to such a small audience. Your mainstream gym rats are the ones buying the majority of the products by number (protein, creatine, glutamine, vitamins). You would go broke just marketing to gay people. Almost everyone I know has at one time worked out and used some supplementation. Especially in highschool, and their 20's.
Sure there is a gay component to bodybuilding. You're talking about the most physically developed males in the world close to naked on stage. Some go the escort or posing route because bodybuilding is damn expensive and pays nothing unless you're near the top. It's easy money and some just can't say no.
Look at women's fitness. So many escort, perform porno, wrestle and pose. What is their target audience. Lesbians?
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also, Chick has shrugged off all the lies of the supplement companies re their snake oils by comparing it to parents lying to their kids about santa claus & the tooth fairy hahaha.
Drugs are the finishing touch, right? ::)
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Drugs are the finishing touch, right? ::)
LOL...thats all you got? Ignored all the relevant questions that were put to you (as you had no answers)...face it...your view is a skewed as it gets, yet you cant see it any other way
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While you're trying to be funny, the truth is actually the complete opposite...it was ME that took my folks and brother and sister and friends to MY BB competitions, and they always obliged to support me, and had a great time in the process...this would reflect most of what makes up the fanbase, especially at the NPC level...
Lots of great memories and travel, got to meet lots of interesting people along the way as well as opportunities and networking over the years...
That is the whole pt Bob!
Most of these guys just lift with no desire or ambition to be part of real BOBDYBUILDING.
I am NOT as well traveled or known as YOU Bob, within BB, but I have enoyed my many years in the sport.
My entire family came to see me compete in the Mr NH many years ago before I went into the USMC.
It was a wonderful time and family memory for me and them.
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Bay will never admit or accept that there are straight guys who watch bodybuilding contests, let alone that they outnumber the gay guys in the fan base of the "sport" / industry.
It's like a guy who is into bestiality saying every single person who watches dog shows wants to fcuk the dogs on display, simply because he's looking at them with that intention ;D
To Bay and supporters of his theory - most people have ordinary lives which they try to escape mentally for a while by watching things that are interesting / unusual to look at, even if they can't relate to it personally or be able to participate in it. Which is why fat, out of shape people watch sports, gay guys watch Miss Universe contests, people watch car shows, circuses, bodybuilding shows and other stuff. Doesn't mean every single person wants to fcuk every single thing they are looking at or a fan of.
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Bay will never admit or accept that there are straight guys who watch bodybuilding contests, let alone that they outnumber the gay guys in the fan base of the "sport" / industry.
It's like a guy who is into bestiality saying every single person who watches dog shows wants to fcuk the dogs on display, simply because he's looking at them with that intention ;D
To Bay and supporters of his theory - most people have ordinary lives which they try to escape mentally for a while by watching things that are interesting / unusual to look at, even if they can't relate to it personally or be able to participate in it. Which is why fat, out of shape people watch sports, gay guys watch Miss Universe contests, people watch car shows, circuses, bodybuilding shows and other stuff. Doesn't mean every single person wants to fcuk every single thing they are looking at or a fan of.
All true...
What bothers me isnt what he does in his spare time, or how HE looks at a show, etc...it's the fact that he cant seperate HIS thinking from anyone else's thinking/ mentality....add that to the broad generalizations he comes up with....
Yet when asked how watching MMA isnt considered "gay", as two guys are physically wrestling each other and trying to pin each other down in a domination match....he cant come up with any other answer other than it's "more" of a sport...LOL. Then disappears because he's painted himself into a corner...
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Bay will never admit or accept that there are straight guys who watch bodybuilding contests, let alone that they outnumber the gay guys in the fan base of the "sport" / industry.
It's like a guy who is into bestiality saying every single person who watches dog shows wants to fcuk the dogs on display, simply because he's looking at them with that intention ;D
To Bay and supporters of his theory - most people have ordinary lives which they try to escape mentally for a while by watching things that are interesting / unusual to look at, even if they can't relate to it personally or be able to participate in it. Which is why fat, out of shape people watch sports, gay guys watch Miss Universe contests, people watch car shows, circuses, bodybuilding shows and other stuff. Doesn't mean every single person wants to fcuk every single thing they are looking at or a fan of.
Good post.
I for one hate the homophobic nature of some in/around BB. It is ironic that an openly guy man would not see how questioning someone elses sexuality in any sport is irrelevent and often leads to a witchhunt
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I wonder if most of you have actually been to a show.
I've been to plenty and can say that Chick is right. Probably at least half of the audience is made up of family members and friends of the competitors, then there are some other bodybuilders , some young guys who just want to look like a bodybuilder one day.. and of course some gay men are there as well.
Bay on the other hand is right when saying that g4p is wide-spread in bodybuilding. Just going by the number of offers I've got so far I have to think that there is a large community of gay men looking for escorts/private posing sessions/etc. and I'm pretty sure that a lot of bodybuilders won't refuse these offers in the long run .. after all bodybuilding is expensive and usually does not pay a lot of money. In addition to that a lot of bodybuilders are lazy and addicted to steroids.. so it's probably the easy way out for a lot of them. This or selling steroids...
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Bay will never admit or accept that there are straight guys who watch bodybuilding contests, let alone that they outnumber the gay guys in the fan base of the "sport" / industry.
It's like a guy who is into bestiality saying every single person who watches dog shows wants to fcuk the dogs on display, simply because he's looking at them with that intention ;D
To Bay and supporters of his theory - most people have ordinary lives which they try to escape mentally for a while by watching things that are interesting / unusual to look at, even if they can't relate to it personally or be able to participate in it. Which is why fat, out of shape people watch sports, gay guys watch Miss Universe contests, people watch car shows, circuses, bodybuilding shows and other stuff. Doesn't mean every single person wants to fcuk every single thing they are looking at or a fan of.
True, but Bodybuilding and Hollywood are both basically controlled/run by the gays(and Jews). And no offense to Chick but those are the two careers he chose to make a living off. What's he going to do when he retires, perhaps go at professional ice skating :-\
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Good post.
I for one hate the homophobic nature of some in/around BB. It is ironic that an openly guy man would not see how questioning someone elses sexuality in any sport is irrelevent and often leads to a witchhunt
But they can't OPENLY pick up a gun and fight in a war? How is it ironic exactly?