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Just saying
the short dummy with too big delts was saying some crazy shit on some video someone posted here
I was like don't worry abut it son, you never reached arnold anyhow.
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(http://deathby1000papercuts.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/arnold-schwarzenegger.jpg)
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superb technique in the sieg heil
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Adolph must have been peeking out of a cloud with tears of joy running down his face.
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Actually Arnold is on record stating Flex is the best bodybuilder he has EVER seen....He said it after on of Flex's Arnold Classic wins...I believe it was the 98 Arnold...This was pre-synthol Flex.
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yea but then he didnt get to see himself how everyone else did.
Actually Arnold is on record stating Flex is the best bodybuilder he has EVER seen....He said it after on of Flex's Arnold Classic wins...I believe it was the 98 Arnold...This was pre-synthol Flex.
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yea but then he didnt get to see himself how everyone else did.
You mean overrated? Cause that's what he certainly his as a bodybuilder...Take away his accolades and people wouldn't but on the nuts of Arnold as much.
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First of all, when makin' a title thread including Arnold's name, make sure you CAP it, sucka! >:(
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Adolph must have been peeking out of a cloud with tears of joy running down his face.
Seriously, if Arnold had been alive during the early 40's we'd all be speaking Deutsche right now..
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That's a dumb thing to say. Flex outweighed Arnold by 40 lbs or more at about 5 % lower body fat too, along with more pleasing aesthetics, more striations, more x frame.. Etc etc
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That's a dumb thing to say. Flex outweighed Arnold by 40 lbs or more at about 5 % lower body fat too, along with more pleasing aesthetics, more striations, more x frame.. Etc etc
:o
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:o
Well, he looked like it at least. ;D
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Actually Arnold is on record stating Flex is the best bodybuilder he has EVER seen....He said it after on of Flex's Arnold Classic wins...I believe it was the 98 Arnold...This was pre-synthol Flex.
The one problem that Flex had is his torso thickness and fullness suffered when he
got in extreme condition. The pictures of Flex from the AC 1993 are incredible but in the actual video
he is less impressive. Paul Dillett made him look like a child but Paul's poor back permanently sealed his fate. I also have the 1998 AC video where Flex is around 236; 1993 AC 216; and I am overall more impressed
with his 1998 Arnold look - on video anyway. He was very ripped but with added size.
If flex could have retained the thickness and fullness in his back and chest that he had at the 1993 Ironman with the condition of the 1993 AC he may have been unbeatable. He never attained this look though.
His closest was the 1998 AC.
I think Flex was using synthol in 1998 but it was barely noticeable on the 1998 AC video.
A 1973 or 1974 Arnold or a 1993/1998 AC Flex is almost a tossup. Flex lacked some torso balance
and Arnold needed a tad more leg development.
Regardless, Two of the greatest physiques to ever grace the stage.
A 1974 Arnold capture from youtube...
Check out Arnolds supposedly weak triceps..
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Actually Arnold is on record stating Flex is the best bodybuilder he has EVER seen....He said it after on of Flex's Arnold Classic wins...I believe it was the 98 Arnold...This was pre-synthol Flex.
It's what Wheeler claimed arnold said to him after the contest and it was before 98. I think it was 93. Anyway, it was at the same contest when Arnold said that Wheeler had "world record measurements". LOL
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The one problem that Flex had is his torso thickness and fullness suffered when he
got in extreme condition. The pictures of Flex from the AC 1993 are incredible but in the actual video
he is less impressive. Paul Dillett made him look like a child but Paul's poor back permanently sealed his fate. I also have the 1998 AC video where Flex is around 236; 1993 AC 216; and I am overall more impressed
with his 1998 Arnold look - on video anyway. He was very ripped but with added size.
If flex could have retained the thickness and fullness in his back and chest that he had at the 1993 Ironman with the condition of the 1993 AC he may have been unbeatable. He never attained this look though.
His closest was the 1998 AC.
I think Flex was using synthol in 1998 but it was barely noticeable on the 1998 AC video.
A 1973 or 1974 Arnold or a 1993/1998 AC Flex is almost a tossup. Flex lacked some torso balance
and Arnold needed a tad more leg development.
Regardless, Two of the greatest physiques to ever grace the stage.
A 1974 Arnold capture from youtube...
Check out Arnolds supposedly weak triceps..
I've been looking for a copy of the 98 Arnold Classic for years...Do you mind posting it or at least the Flex parts?
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It's what Wheeler claimed arnold said to him after the contest and it was before 98. I think it was 93. Anyway, it was at the same contest when Arnold said that Wheeler had "world record measurements". LOL
Yes, That was 1993 and Arnold was kind of being sly at calling bullshit to what Flex was saying without
coming right out and saying it.
Flex was saying his waist was 27 inches and his arms were 22 1/2 and his legs were 32 inches.
Just outrageous claims considering how big Flex actually was in contest shape.
BTW-Those measurements may not be verbatim but what Flex said was very close.
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I've been looking for a copy of the 98 Arnold Classic for years...Do you mind posting it or at least the Flex parts?
Hey Wiggs,
I'll message you on the footage.
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Hey Wiggs,
I'll message you on the footage.
Thanks
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someone should scan some cool flex magazine articles from the 90s.
could be a cool thread!
anyone got any jean pierre fux training articles? 8)
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someone should scan some cool flex magazine articles from the 90s.
could be a cool thread!
anyone got any jean pierre fux training articles? 8)
I got most but no scanner
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The one problem that Flex had is his torso thickness and fullness suffered when he
got in extreme condition. The pictures of Flex from the AC 1993 are incredible but in the actual video
he is less impressive. Paul Dillett made him look like a child but Paul's poor back permanently sealed his fate. I also have the 1998 AC video where Flex is around 236; 1993 AC 216; and I am overall more impressed
with his 1998 Arnold look - on video anyway. He was very ripped but with added size.
If flex could have retained the thickness and fullness in his back and chest that he had at the 1993 Ironman with the condition of the 1993 AC he may have been unbeatable. He never attained this look though.
His closest was the 1998 AC.
I think Flex was using synthol in 1998 but it was barely noticeable on the 1998 AC video.
A 1973 or 1974 Arnold or a 1993/1998 AC Flex is almost a tossup. Flex lacked some torso balance
and Arnold needed a tad more leg development.
Regardless, Two of the greatest physiques to ever grace the stage.
A 1974 Arnold capture from youtube...
Check out Arnolds supposedly weak triceps..
Arnold didn't have weak triceps. His peaked bi's just overpowered them when he flexed them.
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I got most but no scanner
I got a scanner but not that many flex magazines from the 90s :)
I know flex is not the best information source but I like to use it as a source of inspiration...to fuel my workouts same with bodybuilding videos.
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Yes, That was 1993 and Arnold was kind of being sly at calling bullshit to what Flex was saying without
coming right out and saying it.
Flex was saying his waist was 27 inches and his arms were 22 1/2 and his legs were 32 inches.
Just outrageous claims considering how big Flex actually was in contest shape.
BTW-Those measurements may not be verbatim but what Flex said was very close.
Holy shit, your recollection of shit flex said in 1993 is honestly disturbing, I recommend you go outside, maybe talk to someone
there are schmoes and then there are SCHMOES...wow
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Flex never won the Mr. O because he trained like a bitch... this is FACT.
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Flex never won the Mr. O because he trained like a bitch... this is FACT.
haha yeah his training clips were very uninspiring.
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That's a dumb thing to say. Flex outweighed Arnold by 40 lbs or more at about 5 % lower body fat too, along with more pleasing aesthetics, more striations, more x frame.. Etc etc
naa naaa and more naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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Flex always arrived at Gold's Venice in TOP style. For sure better way than anybody else - including Arnold.
Flex looked like if he owned not only the place but people inside also.
At 0:04 baby! 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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I've been looking for a copy of the 98 Arnold Classic for years...Do you mind posting it or at least the Flex parts?
Isn't it strange that there are no videos anywhere on the 98 Arnold, I was there in person & have to say that was the craziest combination of symetry size & definition Iv'e ever seen!!!
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Flex always arrived at Gold's Venice in TOP style. For sure better way than anybody else - including Arnold.
Flex looked like if he owned not only the place but people inside also.
At 0:04 baby! 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
what a ghetto piece of shit, Arnold had class.
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Isn't it strange that there are no videos anywhere on the 98 Arnold, I was there in person & have to say that was the craziest combination of symetry size & definition Iv'e ever seen!!!
Yep...I've contact EVERY bodybuilding video distributor over the last 10 years including when I was at the Olympia expo this year and no one has ever seen it or had it...
I don't know what that's all about, especially since it was Wheeler at his best.
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He looked better in 1993
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He looked better in 1993
False...too small. I'll let the video be judge when I receive it.
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False...too small. I'll let the video be judge when I receive it.
if by small you mean totally dried out and exhibiting nothing but pure dense muscle it's not a bad thing
Flex was never the same after 1993 , his rookie year he looked his best at the Ironman , Arnold
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Isn't it strange that there are no videos anywhere on the 98 Arnold, I was there in person & have to say that was the craziest combination of symetry size & definition Iv'e ever seen!!!
It was done on UPN, both the 98 and 99 and I think the 2000 were aired on UPN, remixed and called Arnold Rock n roll or something like that. Just as there is only the 19 sec video of Flex for the 1993 Arnold, what gives? Is there some sort of copyright issue, where there are virtually no video of the 90s and early 2000s Arnold Classic videos that can be released
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my favorite Flex magazine cover...no homo.
http://backissues.com/issue/Flex-June-1998
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Flex was way too narrow and had way too much of a shitty chest to compete with Arnold.
Arnold had his faults but Flex's were more pronounced.
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He looked better in 1993
And it was said, that if he showed up in this condition, that he would have won Mr. O in 1998. Do you agree?
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And it was said, that if he showed up in this condition, that he would have won Mr. O in 1998. Do you agree?
Actually he said if he showed at the Olympia in 98 like he did at the 1998 Arnold he would have won and I think either showing he would have beaten Ronnie 1998 especially with gyno
quote Flex magazine Jan 1999
When Ronnie is 100% , Flex has to be 100% to prevail. On October 10 , 1998 , Flex wasn't and Ronnie was.
Flex Wheeler
It's true I didn't quite duplicate my condition at the Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. if I'd been able to do that , I would have won EASILY !!
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Flex at the 98 Ironman, 2 weeks before the Arnold Classic...incredible condition...he was even better at the Arnold but the pics don't show it...When I get the video I'll post only that portion of the show.
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BTW no one was beating Ronald that year...Even if Flex was 100% Ronnie was 25 lbs larger with better condition...98 Ronnie destroys anything Flex ever brought to the stage he took away Flex's greatest asset, his back and back then Ronald's symmetry was very similar to Flex....Ronnie was flex with better arms, back, width but funky abs and shitty calves, Ronnie FTW easily...
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awesome routine
Kai should take notes
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hahaa, there's no way on god's green earth that Arnold could hold a candle to a peak Flex.
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hahaa, there's no way on god's green earth that Arnold could hold a candle to a peak Flex.
Loyal Arnold nuthuggers stuck on the Aryan BS and his credentials outside of bodybuilding...
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Holy shit, your recollection of shit flex said in 1993 is honestly disturbing, I recommend you go outside, maybe talk to someone
there are schmoes and then there are SCHMOES...wow
My recollection was almost spot on asshole. I got the tape out and here is
what he said as measurements...
22 1/2 arms
legs -31 inch
waist -27 1/2
chest -right around 56 inches
Arnold says -the measurements your saying right now are world record measurements, right?
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There's no doubt flex was bigger ... more defined.
But if I had seen a picture of this:
(http://www.isteroids.com/bodybuilding/images/flex_wheeler2.jpg)
vs this:
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery1/m61.jpg)
When I was young and impressionable, I would probably never have picked up a barbell.
Arnold still looks human ... Then you add in the factor that Arnold was a real strength athlete (deadlifted over 700lbs, etc) ... He gets my vote!
Flex is full of oil and tiny in height. Arnold has mass and class with the necessary height to carry it well. Arnold all the way. Including against such tubs of oil as Ronnie Coleslaw and Dorian Wastes. ;D
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My recollection was almost spot on asshole
I think that was his point
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Flex is full of oil and tiny in height. Arnold has mass and class with the necessary height to carry it well. Arnold all the way. Including against such tubs of oil as Ronnie Coleslaw and Dorian Wastes. ;D
1993 Flex Wheeler Crushes Arnold
(http://www.anabolic-steroids.blogspot.com/flex-wheeler.jpg)
(http://www.basketball.de/picture.php?albumid=10&pictureid=190)
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BTW no one was beating Ronald that year...Even if Flex was 100% Ronnie was 25 lbs larger with better condition...98 Ronnie destroys anything Flex ever brought to the stage he took away Flex's greatest asset, his back and back then Ronald's symmetry was very similar to Flex....Ronnie was flex with better arms, back, width but funky abs and shitty calves, Ronnie FTW easily...
Flex took Ronnie to the limit that year and he was off never mind 100% that bitch-tits would be the deciding factor for a Flex win
and better arms? you mean better biceps because Flex's tris kill Ronnies , back width? Ronnie was always wider than Flex
Flex at his best just outclasses Ronnie 1998
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1993 Flex Wheeler Crushes Arnold
(http://www.anabolic-steroids.blogspot.com/flex-wheeler.jpg)
(http://www.basketball.de/picture.php?albumid=10&pictureid=190)
He really does but it's not a fair comparison by any stretch
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:o
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There's no doubt flex was bigger ... more defined.
But if I had seen a picture of this:
(http://www.isteroids.com/bodybuilding/images/flex_wheeler2.jpg)
vs this:
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery1/m61.jpg)
When I was young and impressionable, I would probably never have picked up a barbell.
Arnold still looks human ... Then you add in the factor that Arnold was a real strength athlete (deadlifted over 700lbs, etc) ... He gets my vote!
mroe defined? no
shorter not bigger yes?
delts way too big and chest to small yes
arnold owns flex
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oh brother, Synthol 'all drugs' Wheeler couldnt hold a candle to the great Arnold.
the ONLY thing he had on him was shreddedness and thats only due to modern diuretic drugs and abuse
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still the gold standard of Tall White Superior Ary an genetics 8)
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46514000/jpg/_46514357_arnie.jpg)
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I think that was his point
Yes you are correct. I've always had a great memory when it came to anything
but it seems my reading comprehension skills were lacking on this one.
Anyway, here's a link to some screen caps from the 1993 AC.
I think my copy is in better shape and I'll make some caps of my own at some point
of both the 93 and 98 AC. The pics from 98 don't do the video version of flex justice.
Here's the link to the 93 AC caps...
http://www.musclemecca.com/showthread.php/193775-Flex-Wheeler-1993-Arnold-Classic-PICS-!!!?highlight=flex+wheeler (http://www.musclemecca.com/showthread.php/193775-Flex-Wheeler-1993-Arnold-Classic-PICS-!!!?highlight=flex+wheeler)
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It was done on UPN, both the 98 and 99 and I think the 2000 were aired on UPN, remixed and called Arnold Rock n roll or something like that. Just as there is only the 19 sec video of Flex for the 1993 Arnold, what gives? Is there some sort of copyright issue, where there are virtually no video of the 90s and early 2000s Arnold Classic videos that can be released
You are correct on the 1998 AC - it is called Arnold's Rock and Roll Bodybuilding. I don't know about 99, 2000.
The 2000 AC is covered on a documentary on youtube called the greatest bodies.
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Arnold on the protocols of today would still be the best.
Remember without Arnold there would be no Flex Wheeler , he inspired so many to even think about picking up a Barbell.
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1993 Flex Wheeler Crushes Arnold
1993 Flex has a shitty chest, is extremely narrow and has zero taper.
Arnold doesn't look like a mutant so wins by default.
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1993 Flex has a shitty chest, is extremely narrow and has zero taper.
Arnold doesn't look like a mutant so wins by default.
Flex had one of the best tapers out there...he was effectively a more complete Brian Buchanan. All bbers in that mold have great tapers---BB, Flex Jean-Guillame, Theirry Pastel, Melvin Anthony, and Jojo Ntiforo.
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Flex had one of the best tapers out there...he was effectively a more complete Brian Buchanan. All bbers in that mold have great tapers---BB, Flex Jean-Guillame, Theirry Pastel, Melvin Anthony, and Jojo Ntiforo.
Brian had a tiny waist and wideish shoulders. Flex had narrow shoulders and a smallish waist. Brian's taper kills Flex.
I don't think his taper was impressive at all, his structure kills it.
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Arnolds frame and structure and well placed mass would have prevailed.
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Brian had a tiny waist and wideish shoulders. Flex had narrow shoulders and a smallish waist. Brian's taper kills Flex.
I don't think his taper was impressive at all, his structure kills it.
They ALL had the same structure...tiny joints, with full muscle bellies...when they did each pose, they had virtually the same look...all the ones I listed also looked better at a lighter weight and held fat in the lower back-glute-ham tie in. All had the "Triangle" look when doing the front double biceps...and if you look at the Olympia vid and other old pics, Brian was not a wide guy, the illusion came from his ultra small waist...structurally, they were virtually the same...except Flex did more with it.
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what a ghetto piece of shit, Arnold had class.
No wonder you guys are always talking about women troubles.
That kind of arrogance gets 20 something chicks something hot. Now him doing that act on a mature woman isn't going to work, but a cocky bastid like that would get lots of play from immature and horny young women.
Madeline was so fierce. Her body was on point.
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No wonder you guys are always talking about women troubles.
That kind of arrogance gets 20 something chicks something hot. Now him doing that act on a mature woman isn't going to work, but a cocky bastid like that would get lots of play from immature and horny young women.
Madeline was so fierce. Her body was on point.
I wouldn't want a woman that found such tripe "hot". Young or otherwise. Flux is at best a tepid pile of manure. If it's a matter of who has had more women, its pretty much a guarantee that the Oak has been with more women than Flux. The kind of physical presence Arnold had and has, coupled with being that which a great deal of shallow women find appealing, i.e., world famous and of course "financially hung" makes him all the more attractive to vapid women that would find Flux merely "hot". But then that's not much of a recommendation for taking a woman home to meet your parents. "Mom? Dad? I'd like you to meet ______, She used to screw Arnold S., but she's changed now and wants to settle down." Nah. I don't think so. No double standards here. ;)
Flex? In the grand scheme of things he's really a nobody. Madeline? Is she the arm jewelry that Flux was wearing? I've seen women as beautiful and better at the mall. Now then, to many here I'm probably nothing to look at but neither am I a ridiculous little oil filled faux ghetto toad like that clown Flux was and probably still is. I wouldn't touch a woman that had been with a person of such "character". And for the record, color doesn't matter, character does.
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arnold just looked was better and was tighter and taller
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Arnold didn't get attacked by ninjas and do 200lb t-bars for 10 reps
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Arnold didn't get attacked by ninjas and do 200lb t-bars for 10 reps
True dat. ;)
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Flex Wheeler's waist smaller than Lee Labrada, here...and Lee was what, 5'5-5'6 and under 200 pounds? Flex was 216 for the 93 Arnold...what I want to know, is where is the full video?
(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb224/Iceman1981photos/1993%20Arnold%20Classic/PDVD_028.jpg)
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Arnold didn't get attacked by ninjas and do 200lb t-bars for 10 reps
No, Uncle Joe just fixed contests in his favor...
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They ALL had the same structure...tiny joints, with full muscle bellies...when they did each pose, they had virtually the same look...all the ones I listed also looked better at a lighter weight and held fat in the lower back-glute-ham tie in. All had the "Triangle" look when doing the front double biceps...and if you look at the Olympia vid and other old pics, Brian was not a wide guy, the illusion came from his ultra small waist...structurally, they were virtually the same...except Flex did more with it.
I really don't see where the fuck you are coming from here Parker. What is it that you are trying to argue? That Flex and Brian are genetically identical? If you look at any picture you would see that not only did Brian have wider shoulders, but that his waist was smaller than Flex's.
You are right in saying that Brian wasn't particularly wide and that it was his waist that gave him his taper, same so of Flex, only his taper was a lot worse.
Different physiques. Small joints, good shape although different, small hips along with waist (although Brian's was clearly smaller), both black, there are the similarities.
Flex had a bad taper and a shitty chest, this is pretty clear in any picture of him. Even in 1993 his abs were protruding and his chest was way overpowered by his delts and arms. This was his best form as he hadn't destroyed himself with oil at this point.
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Arnold just had awesome biceps and a great personality.
Besides that, he is pretty mediocre by pro BB standards.
I never understood how people could say he's the greatest ever. It's like saying Babe Ruth was the greatest baseball player ever, just because he was a pioneer. But his skill has been surpassed at this point.
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Arnold just had awesome biceps and a great personality.
Besides that, he is pretty mediocre by pro BB standards.
I never understood how people could say he's the greatest ever. It's like saying Babe Ruth was the greatest baseball player ever, just because he was a pioneer. But his skill has been surpassed at this point.
Great chest, no real glaring weakpoints. There are a lot of guys that surpass him though or have a better structure.
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Arnold just had awesome biceps and a great personality.
Besides that, he is pretty mediocre by pro BB standards.
I never understood how people could say he's the greatest ever. It's like saying Babe Ruth was the greatest baseball player ever, just because he was a pioneer. But his skill has been surpassed at this point.
If you can figure out a way to drill this into these idiots heads, you're a genius.
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Arnold just had awesome biceps and a great personality.
Besides that, he is pretty mediocre by pro BB standards.
I never understood how people could say he's the greatest ever. It's like saying Babe Ruth was the greatest baseball player ever, just because he was a pioneer. But his skill has been surpassed at this point.
lol
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hilarious!!!!!!!
let me break it down:
arnold had chest n arms cant be beat, not overdone shoulders, and was rock hard without looking wak
no one can beat that
not flex not haney etc.
arnold -- nobody could beat him
flex was way inferior and shorter and softer :)
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What about Arnold's thighs? Weak point? I think so.
Also seems like his triceps were kinda weak, from the back he wan't too impressive in general, and his conditioning was often off.
I see why you all think he's great. He was a great bodybuilder from sure. But the best??? I don't think so.
I do like the 70's era though and I find it much more inspirational and cool than what's going on these days.
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not at all
remember ronnie coleman looks liek shit and woulda lost in the 80s as unsymmetircal bag of shit
size does not alone make a bodybuilder but symmetry
add height to that and awesome hardness and that is why arnold cant be beat
legs overdone look silly
you are a hater bro, sorry, and you are irrational
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arnold just got surpassed. it's like saying Dorian could beat Ronnie :-X
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not at all
remember ronnie coleman looks liek shit and woulda lost in the 80s as unsymmetircal bag of shit
size does not alone make a bodybuilder but symmetry
add height to that and awesome hardness and that is why arnold cant be beat
legs overdone look silly
you are a hater bro, sorry, and you are irrational
Shut up gimmick.
Arnold had some some great points for sure. But he didn't have the total package.
I appreciate symettry and that's what I go for in my own training. And yes, Arnold did have great symettry. But other guys have been better.
If you name any quality that Arnold had, I can name a few other guys who had it better.
Since Arnold's day, guys with equally great genetics and on a lot more drugs have stepped in and surpassed what he did.
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Shut up gimmick.
Arnold had some some great points for sure. But he didn't have the total package.
I appreciate symettry and that's what I go for in my own training. And yes, Arnold did have great symettry. But other guys have been better.
If you name any quality that Arnold had, I can name a few other guys who had it better.
Since Arnold's day, guys with equally great genetics and on a lot more drugs have stepped in and surpassed what he did.
no you shut up gimmik
I named the qualities arnold had and no they have not been surpassed
not by flex and not by anyone
sorry
say what you want but no Arnold has not been surpassed.
I already spelled it you for you, size is not better just for size sake.
you probably think ferrigno beat arnold
nope!
sorry
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(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4579/flexm.jpg)
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(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4579/flexm.jpg)
too bad homy had to give it al back after mortgage crash and ebay the cars!
hoo haa!!!
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What about Arnold's thighs? Weak point? I think so.
Also seems like his triceps were kinda weak, from the back he wan't too impressive in general, and his conditioning was often off.
I see why you all think he's great. He was a great bodybuilder from sure. But the best??? I don't think so.
I do like the 70's era though and I find it much more inspirational and cool than what's going on these days.
Generally, your arms, neck and calves should be the same size and the measurement of both thighs should equal that of the chest. Arnold's chest was 57" and thighs were 28.5" each, which totals 57". His arms were 22.5" and his calves were 20.5". I have no ideas as the measurement of his neck. His waist was 34".
Your ass should not be so large as to remain in a room for 15 minutes after the rest of you has left. This alone disqualifies Flux Wheedle, Kai Weenie, Dorian Wastes and Ronnie Coleslaw from being anything other than oil filled, GH fueled, bloated piles of shit. I trust this clears things up a bit? If not, oh well. ;D
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Actually Arnold is on record stating Flex is the best bodybuilder he has EVER seen....He said it after on of Flex's Arnold Classic wins...I believe it was the 98 Arnold...This was pre-synthol Flex.
still wasnt pre-calf implants.
arnie was the better bodybuilder. everything on arnie was gained- not fake.
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Arnold also owns that show.
So to pump up whoever won is natural.
Films tells all.
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I really don't see where the fuck you are coming from here Parker. What is it that you are trying to argue? That Flex and Brian are genetically identical? If you look at any picture you would see that not only did Brian have wider shoulders, but that his waist was smaller than Flex's.
You are right in saying that Brian wasn't particularly wide and that it was his waist that gave him his taper, same so of Flex, only his taper was a lot worse.
Different physiques. Small joints, good shape although different, small hips along with waist (although Brian's was clearly smaller), both black, there are the similarities.
Flex had a bad taper and a shitty chest, this is pretty clear in any picture of him. Even in 1993 his abs were protruding and his chest was way overpowered by his delts and arms. This was his best form as he hadn't destroyed himself with oil at this point.
flex's back wasnt great either. delts and arms, superb. ripped, for sure. lats ripped- yes. mass and width in lats- hardly.
pecs?- ok but way less development then the overpowering arms and delts.
quads- ripped but lacking in thickness. calves?- absolutely none- some of the worst calves ive ever seen on a bodybuilder- then all of a sudden he had some undefined mass there...very strange.
all this nut hugging over flex is a joke. he got ripped and had great arms and delts. thats it for gods sake!
when you break it down that is it!
best BB EVER?- not even close. to be that youve got to have pecs, thick dense lats, kick ass quads and hams and solid, real calves.
ronnie had it all, haney had it all for the era..but arms and calves on the weak side, levrone had it all, arnold had it all for the era...no weaknesses- legs werent a focus then..not even yates meets the criteria..he misses on the arms and even the pecs werent great.
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My recollection was almost spot on asshole. I got the tape out and here is
what he said as measurements...
22 1/2 arms
legs -31 inch
waist -27 1/2
chest -right around 56 inches
Arnold says -the measurements your saying right now are world record measurements, right?
You fucking schmoe, I never questioned how spot on it was...hahaha, I was laughing at how big of a schmoe you are for remembering that much detail on something only a gay stalker would remember about another man, hahahaha
and for the record, only a complete fag would care about some guy's leg measurement from 18 years ago, oh brother ::) ::)
you sound like the kind of guy that could within 0.3 seconds of being asked, remember flex's thong color in any contest from 1992
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arnold dominates shorty flex in every way
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Flex
is insane (was) but he doesn't (didn't) have that certain "hugeness" factor that makes people do a double take. :o
(http://www.excellentbodybuilding.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/arnold-schwarzenegger-20060109-99364.jpg)
(http://www.muscle-builders.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-bodybuilding-217x300.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/43/images/Arnold_Schwarzenegger_12.jpg)
(http://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/uploads/image/halloffame/ArnoldSchwarzenegger1.jpg)
(http://guy-kai-greene-2009-3-7-22-20.jpg)
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I really don't see where the fuck you are coming from here Parker. What is it that you are trying to argue? That Flex and Brian are genetically identical? If you look at any picture you would see that not only did Brian have wider shoulders, but that his waist was smaller than Flex's.
You are right in saying that Brian wasn't particularly wide and that it was his waist that gave him his taper, same so of Flex, only his taper was a lot worse.
Different physiques. Small joints, good shape although different, small hips along with waist (although Brian's was clearly smaller), both black, there are the similarities.
Flex had a bad taper and a shitty chest, this is pretty clear in any picture of him. Even in 1993 his abs were protruding and his chest was way overpowered by his delts and arms. This was his best form as he hadn't destroyed himself with oil at this point.
No, Flex, Brian, Jean Guillame, Melvin Anthony, Theirry Pastel and Jojo Ntiforo all have the virtually the same physique...the same "phenotype", bascially being traced back to around the Ghana area...they come from the same "assembly line" if you will with little variations...And since Jojo is straight from Africa...his ethnic group's genetics could be the progenitor of Brian's, et al. here is Jojo:
(http://www.jojontiforo.com/10123_1106187061720_1438105327_30258161_3060416_n.jpg)
(http://www.jojontiforo.com/10123_1106187221724_1438105327_30258162_5384194_n.jpg)
(http://www.jojontiforo.com/bigjo3.jpg)
Now, notice the small joints, the tiny wasp waist, then and round muscles bellies. Same or similar flare to the lats, and when they hold the same pose---that one hand over to the head pose that Flex is pictured doing for the 1998 Arnold, they all have the same "lines", virtually small deviations. Each of the named bbers has that, but also, that they look better around a smaller bodyweight, roughly 210-225 pounds, and they have the same flaws---harder to get dry.
Granted, Flex's arms did overpower his chest, and Brian's didn't, but Brian's upper body overpowered his lower. Basicallly its like this, you know a Corvette when you see a Corvette, or you know a Porsche 911 when you see a 911. They haven't really changed the formula, and you see the DNA within each model...the physiques of Brian, Jean-Paul Guillame, Theirry Pastel, Flex Wheeler, Melvin Anthony, and Jojo are like that 911, they all have the same formula...just slight variations
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I haven't caused this much fuss since I told an englishman that england lost both world wars to germany and that usa won them.
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I haven't caused this much fuss since I told an englishman that england lost both world wars to germany and that usa won them.
Well, I also meant to answer you---Arnold had a w-i-d-e waist, even he admitted this, and to his sloping shoulders as well. If he were to be a bodybuilder in this timeframe, he would look similar to Gunter---and we know what happened to Gunter in 2003-04...The fact is Arnold is the most popular bodybuilder, but even in his day he was not th most genetically gifted---that goes to Sergio, and Serge, and even Robby Robinson...of note, almost all the bodybuilders of that day had huge chests...
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Well, I also meant to answer you---Arnold had a w-i-d-e waist, even he admitted this, and to his sloping shoulders as well. If he were to be a bodybuilder in this timeframe, he would look similar to Gunter---and we know what happened to Gunter in 2003-04...The fact is Arnold is the most popular bodybuilder, but even in his day he was not th most genetically gifted---that goes to Sergio, and Serge, and even Robby Robinson...of note, almost all the bodybuilders of that day had huge chests...
Why is that?
Did they use chains like Branch?
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Why is that?
Did they use chains like Branch?
;D, probably the higher reps, or less emphasis on arms, or smaller arms, delts, and back, that outshine the chest...just look at this pic of Jim Morris, Bill Pearl and friends...
(http://www.gymmorris.com/photos/stars%20and%20stripes%202.jpg)
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;D, probably the higher reps, or less emphasis on arms, or smaller arms, delts, and back, that outshine the chest...just look at this pic of Jim Morris, Bill Pearl and friends...
Yes, I agree with you totally on this. It must be smaller arms and delts that made their pecs stand out more in the past..
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Yes, I agree with you totally on this. It must be smaller arms and delts that made their pecs stand out more in the past..
It sounds like you were being sarcastic...but, I think that there is less emphasis on training chest right...I was watching Phil Heath's first vid, and the angle he had on the incline bench---I thought he was working delts more than the chest because it was so high.
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It sounds like you were being sarcastic...but, I think that there is less emphasis on training chest right...I was watching Phil Heath's first vid, and the angle he had on the incline bench---I thought he was working delts more than the chest because it was so high.
Not meant to be sarcasm in my post here. Sorry if you got that impression. (that's downside of GB, never know whether someone agrees with you or is just foolin around :) )
I remember someone saying that incline bench is more for delts than chest... Not sure about that but I bet those old schoolers did much more heavy plain bench pressing than guys these days do.
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Not meant to be sarcasm in my post here. Sorry if you got that impression. (that's downside of GB, never know whether someone agrees with you or is just foolin around :) )
I remember someone saying that incline bench is more for delts than chest... Not sure about that but I bet those old schoolers did much more heavy plain bench pressing than guys these days do.
I think Arnold credited inclines for his fullness...Flex magazine had a list of the top chests and those with exceptional fullness usually had emphasis on inclines, like Sergio, Arnold, Bertil Fox...from what i remember
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Not comparing myself to pros (lol) but I've always got best gains in chest by doing much of flying movements. Cable crossovers, dumbbell fly..
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Not comparing myself to pros (lol) but I've always got best gains in chest by doing much of flying movements. Cable crossovers, dumbbell fly..
have you tried supersetting pec deck with dips...the pump is off the meter?
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have you tried supersetting pec deck with dips...the pump is off the meter?
Actually never. Might give it a try... at least dips I've always liked.
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Arnold beat Sergio. Enough said.
Flex is insane (was) but he doesn't (didn't) have that certain "hugeness" factor that makes people do a double take. :o
Arnold 1974 off season is the biggest and thickest I have ever seen anyone. And he still had the split in the pecs. Beat that Flex.
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1993 Flex has a shitty chest, is extremely narrow and has zero taper.
Arnold doesn't look like a mutant so wins by default.
:o :P ::)
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Why is a bb from the 70s being compared to a bb from the 90s? Its not a fair comparison in my opinion, Arnold vs Lee Haney would be a better comparison or Flex vs Heath maybe.
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Why is a bb from the 70s being compared to a bb from the 90s? Its not a fair comparison in my opinion, Arnold vs Lee Haney would be a better comparison or Flex vs Heath maybe.
True, Arnold went on to become a multi-millionaire, movie star and governor.....Flex got some shitty tats....
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When I first started visiting here it was full of those Ironage guys who considered Arnold to be crap, just a collection of beach muscles. They'd often mention his delts, saying they were rolled or sloped or something.
He looks great to me in the pics posted. About as complete as anyone back then.
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It's official.
Flex beats Arnold.
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It's official.
Flex beats Arnold.
if they competed onstage at their best yes Flex would beat Arnold
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if they competed onstage at their best yes Flex would beat Arnold
You're totally right.
Of course Flex destroyed his body to achieve what he did. So obvious what he did was really unsustainable.
Also Ronnie Coleman would totally destroy Dorian Yates, don't you think?
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You're totally right.
Of course Flex destroyed his body to achieve what he did. So obvious what he did was really unsustainable.
Also Ronnie Coleman would totally destroy Dorian Yates, don't you think?
Drugs will ultimately destroy all of those clowns.
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Drugs will ultimately destroy all of those clowns.
Some guys use drugs and escape without much harm.
Of course when they come off they're lucky to keep even 10 pounds of muscle, and end up looking worse than if they stayed natty usually. Seems like they fuck up their natural hormone levels often.
A slave to the drugs and food, to maintain their size and definition.
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naaaaa
flex was never even close to arnold
arnold destroys flex - same way I mentined many times, flex shorter, delts too big, and chest weak
flex a coward not to try acting tho
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_IHTxHOWRA6U/TPTFctrITFI/AAAAAAAAAf8/NNQgLy31cPI/s320/woa.jpg)
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8)
(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4579/flexm.jpg)
hahahaha ken wheeler and his chrome rims typical shit
i think
1-ron
2-yates
3-jay
4-arnold
5-phil
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hahahaha ken wheeler and his chrome rims typical shit
i think
1-ron
2-yates
3-jay
4-arnold
5-phil
Congratz on the shittest list i have ever seen.
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Someone tell this idiot he left his headlights on ::)
(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4579/flexm.jpg)
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Someone tell this idiot he left his headlights on ::)
(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4579/flexm.jpg)
lol
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hahahaha ken wheeler and his chrome rims typical shit
i think
1-ron
2-yates
3-jay
4-arnold
5-phil
lol at jay.
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Arnold beat Sergio. Enough said.
Arnold 1974 off season is the biggest and thickest I have ever seen anyone. And he still had the split in the pecs. Beat that Flex.
Flex can do a split and actually has legs...
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Flex can do a split and actually has legs...
Yeah, those calves which are one of the suckiest in the whole history of bodybuilding. Arnold had some serious legs in 1974. He had huge delts for god's sake! It's a black and white backstage photo with lots of shadows, but I think no-one can deny his size in that rare pic that I'm hoping someone could post again.
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Yeah, those calves which are one of the suckiest in the whole history of bodybuilding. Arnold had some serious legs in 1974. He had huge delts for god's sake! It's a black and white backstage photo with lots of shadows, but I think no-one can deny his size in that rare pic that I'm hoping someone could post again.
This pic? ???
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Yeah, those calves which are one of the suckiest in the whole history of bodybuilding. Arnold had some serious legs in 1974. He had huge delts for god's sake! It's a black and white backstage photo with lots of shadows, but I think no-one can deny his size in that rare pic that I'm hoping someone could post again.
Melvin Anthony, JOJ, Wolf, now those are bad calves, Flex's 1992-3 calves were good for his size.
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This pic? ???
Nope. I searched hundreds of pages for this pic, no schmoe.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=311265.0;attach=351449;image)
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flex was never even in the same universe
flex short delts too big and weak chest
nuff said
outrageous arrogance to say blah about people saying here is best body etc et cand no one surpass it when flex himself did not
lol
typical arrogant doofus
(http://pma.iqthumbs.com/st/thumbs/003/1339758055.jpg)
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(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_IHTxHOWRA6U/TPszuvK8TcI/AAAAAAAAAhE/xIpjrQVhrtE/s320/nices2.JPG)
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some of the people in this thread arguing that arnold was superior to flex need to either
A) remove head from ass
B) stop letting racial prejudice cloud your objectivity
(im one of the biggest racists on here, and even i can ride above it and acknowledge ken wheeler had the greatest bodybuilding of anyone ever born to planet earth)
he dominates arnold in EVERY way..........thought it really isnt a fir comparison, causse the conditionign criteria and drugs and bodies changed So much from arnold s day to flex's day.
i woudl be interested to see what a peak arnold could have looked like on an early 90s contest drug protocol and diet..........eh would have been hard to beat
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some of the people in this thread arguing that arnold was superior to flex need to either
A) remove head from ass
B) stop letting racial prejudice cloud your objectivity
(im one of the biggest racists on here, and even i can ride above it and acknowledge ken wheeler had the greatest bodybuilding of anyone ever born to planet earth)
he dominates arnold in EVERY way..........thought it really isnt a fir comparison, causse the conditionign criteria and drugs and bodies changed So much from arnold s day to flex's day.
i woudl be interested to see what a peak arnold could have looked like on an early 90s contest drug protocol and diet..........eh would have been hard to beat
Look no further than Gunter...same wide waist, looked very similar at a lighter weight
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Look no further than Gunter...same wide waist, looked very similar at a lighter weight
no your reaching
first, arnold doestn have a wide waist
second, he would not look like gunter.......just cause they are two germanic bodybuidlers doesnt mean they would look the same
we actually dont know what he would look like with the growth, higher dosages of AAS and more extreme condition............but it would be VERY dominate.......arnold had very few weak point..............his weakest part, his back..........was even pretty good
(http://www.withfriendship.com/user/images/331/Arnold-posing.jpg)
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/102/283960507_202dcbe95d_o.jpg)
and lookin like gunter isnt necessarily a bad thing anway..........there was a A show, where gunter made a prime ronnie coleman look like a child..........if he was more consistant with that look...........and he wasnt from europe.............gunte r might have one or two sandows
arnold would probably look more like dennis wolf then gunter.........
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=41781&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mrolympia2001p/mro2001p_schlierkamp01.jpg)\
he DOMINATED ronnie at the 2002 SOS
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/2002/soscomp64.jpg)
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no your reaching
first, arnold doestn have a wide waist
second, he would not look like gunter.......just cause they are two germanic bodybuidlers doesnt mean they would look the same
we actually dont know what he would look like with the growth, higher dosages of AAS and more extreme condition............but it would be VERY dominate.......arnold had very few weak point..............his weakest part, his back..........was even pretty good
(http://www.withfriendship.com/user/images/331/Arnold-posing.jpg)
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/102/283960507_202dcbe95d_o.jpg)
and lookin like gunter isnt necessarily a bad thing anway..........there was a A show, where gunter made a prime ronnie coleman look like a child..........if he was more consistant with that look...........and he wasnt from europe.............gunte r might have one or two sandows
arnold would probably look more like dennis wolf then gunter.........
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=41781&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
(http://www.ilovespam.com/mrolympia2001p/mro2001p_schlierkamp01.jpg)\
he DOMINATED ronnie at the 2002 SOS
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/2002/soscomp64.jpg)
Arnold said himself in the Encyclopedia of Bodybuilding that he had a wide waist, which is way he did those twisting shots (also said that he like Dillett, had sloping shoulders) to take emphasis off of those...there is a color pic of Arnold with that blonde that he and Franco used to tag (she's in a yellow bikini) and he has one of those workout gizmos, well it highlighted Arnold's wide waist...
It has nothing to do with the fact they are too German bbers, per se, but the fact that they have the same look. Also, there is a ad of Gunter, dressed up as a Conan type figure, it was for a video game, and he had the same waist line as Arnold when he portrayed Conan...thick, wide
Gunter was good, until he turned around that is where he lost to Ronnie, but it was odd, how that loss actually fueled Ronnie to look like aliens bred him for meat consumption
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this isnt a good shot for anyones waist
he waist might have been big compared to serge nubret...........but it wasnt particularly big.........or maybe his ribcage and chest were so big, tht it made his wide waist look smaller
he had one of the wides ribcages of all time
look how small here
(http://theselvedgeyard.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/522145431_e0d9b7532a_o.jpg?w=600&h=525)
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Flex at the 98 Ironman, 2 weeks before the Arnold Classic...incredible condition...he was even better at the Arnold but the pics don't show it...When I get the video I'll post only that portion of the show.
His quads and latspread are small, and his impressive delts and arms are made of oil ??? Good midsection though.
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Arnold and Gunther aren't really similar. Arnold's upper legs were his weekest point, and Gunther had huge quads. They both have undersized delts, but aesthetically they are seriously different looking.
I do however look at Arnold, Markus and Gunther and wonder if biceps are a germanic gift, and triceps are not. Or maybe it's just because tall people have more trouble filling out the triceps.