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http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_3_21/ai_100068810/
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For those interested.. His cycle at his peak..Off another board
"I used to manage Max Muscle a few years ago here in Vegas, the owner was good friends with Craig-I was sitting at work one day and received a fax from Craig(intended for my boss) that listed his entire diet and drug regime for the USA-I was only 19 then and almost my pants when I read this motherer-check it out-please don't critique or argue this cycle, I'm just typing what I read straight from Craig's notebook, I'm sure he didn't want just anyone to read it but here goes-
750 mgs of testosterone cypionate per week all the way up to 3 weeks out
750 mgs of enanthate per week up to 3 weeks out
100 mgs of prop EOD and switched to 100 mgs of suspension ED for the last 6 weeks
50 mgs of deca ED (I don't understand this one)
1.5 cc's of Parabolin EOD
50 mgs of finaplex (DMSO) ED
100 mgs of eq ED
8 Andriol ED
8 Clenbuterol 2 days on 2 off
3 cc's of winstrol EVERYDAY(not a misprint)
40 mgs of Nolvadex ED
4 IU's of Humatrope 5 days on 2 off, he only went up to 6 a day(his gut looked much better when he got his pro card versus now, it's mainly b/c of the GH)
Humulin N and R(long and short acting)-very serious , you have to time your eating or you're in BIG trouble-I talked to Craig a couple weeks ago and he now mixes R with Humalog b/c the Humalog by itself makes him sick
I don't recall the amount but he used quite a bit of cytadren
3-6 Cytomel ED
40 mgs of halotestin ED
1 amp of Masteron EOD
This was all written on a calender and he sporatically threw in oddball shots like 200 mgs of deca here and there, sometimes an amp of sustenon or Heptylate(sp)-I don't understand why but he did look great-he took all his shots in the morning and all his orals at night, I might have left 1 or 2 things out but this will give you a good idea of what it took Craig to turn pro, kinda scary huh? If I remember anything else, I will list it."
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Didn't Titus turn pro around 96 ??? You kept this for 14 yrs, what were you waiting for :(. That's like Lewinsky keeping that dress
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booooooooooring. ;D ;D
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1 gh dont cause gut growth it is th einsulin that does it ,,gh reduces waist line ,,tighten it ,,there is no guts on gh unles insulin is there too and insulon on higher level on constant use,,look at the female who use gh ...do you see them gutting around? no guts on hgh even at doses of 15 iu,,look at the last world chanmpionship ,,they abuse the shit out of gh and no gut growth from gh persay
second ,,cycle look ok ,,FOR 90S,,the gh dose is higher no one take 4 iu of gh usually at this level during those years it was 6-15 iu depending on the lean muscle of the bodybuilder
third the murderer owe a lot of money still and generally speaking he could take 3 times the amount of those drugs and still would remain out of top 10 o,,so at the end insulin ruined him
gh15 approved
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Gh15, right now which bodybuilders are all drugs besides phil heat?
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For those interested.. His cycle at his peak..Off another board
"I used to manage Max Muscle a few years ago here in Vegas, the owner was good friends with Craig-I was sitting at work one day and received a fax from Craig(intended for my boss) that listed his entire diet and drug regime for the USA-I was only 19 then and almost my pants when I read this motherer-check it out-please don't critique or argue this cycle, I'm just typing what I read straight from Craig's notebook, I'm sure he didn't want just anyone to read it but here goes-
750 mgs of testosterone cypionate per week all the way up to 3 weeks out
750 mgs of enanthate per week up to 3 weeks out
100 mgs of prop EOD and switched to 100 mgs of suspension ED for the last 6 weeks
50 mgs of deca ED (I don't understand this one)
1.5 cc's of Parabolin EOD
50 mgs of finaplex (DMSO) ED
100 mgs of eq ED
8 Andriol ED
8 Clenbuterol 2 days on 2 off
3 cc's of winstrol EVERYDAY(not a misprint)
40 mgs of Nolvadex ED
4 IU's of Humatrope 5 days on 2 off, he only went up to 6 a day(his gut looked much better when he got his pro card versus now, it's mainly b/c of the GH)
Humulin N and R(long and short acting)-very serious , you have to time your eating or you're in BIG trouble-I talked to Craig a couple weeks ago and he now mixes R with Humalog b/c the Humalog by itself makes him sick
I don't recall the amount but he used quite a bit of cytadren
3-6 Cytomel ED
40 mgs of halotestin ED
1 amp of Masteron EOD
This was all written on a calender and he sporatically threw in oddball shots like 200 mgs of deca here and there, sometimes an amp of sustenon or Heptylate(sp)-I don't understand why but he did look great-he took all his shots in the morning and all his orals at night, I might have left 1 or 2 things out but this will give you a good idea of what it took Craig to turn pro, kinda scary huh? If I remember anything else, I will list it."
just the finishing touch.
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Fuckin' A! Dogg Crapp told me Craig took alot of shit so much it'd make me sick...
This is the perfect example of someone with lackluster response to hormones drugging it up to make up for it...and he wasn't even a pro yet....I can only imagine what his cycles were like in the latter days of his career...
Well kids there you have it...this is what it takes to be a "champion" :-X
What is the point of taking Test E and Test C at the same time? I saw that Ronald said he did this in that Secrets of bodybuilding revealed.
lol at 4,200 mg of Winny per week...winny is 200mg per cc correct? Even is not 2,200 per week is sick.
1,600mg of test
350 mg of deca
448 mg of parabolin...aka tren
700 mg of eq
4,200 mg of Winny
400 mg of masteron
6998 mg of injectables per week....HOLY FUCKING SHIT
Not counting orals, slin and GH.... Hahahahahahahahahahahaa!!! What a fucking joke...no wonder he was a mad man all the time...anyone would be on all this.
Livin' the dream Babyyyyyyyy!
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1 gh dont cause gut growth it is th einsulin that does it ,,gh reduces waist line ,,tighten it ,,there is no guts on gh unles insulin is there too and insulon on higher level on constant use,,look at the female who use gh ...do you see them gutting around? no guts on hgh even at doses of 15 iu,,look at the last world chanmpionship ,,they abuse the shit out of gh and no gut growth from gh persay
second ,,cycle look ok ,,FOR 90S,,the gh dose is higher no one take 4 iu of gh usually at this level during those years it was 6-15 iu depending on the lean muscle of the bodybuilder
third the murderer owe a lot of money still and generally speaking he could take 3 times the amount of those drugs and still would remain out of top 10 o,,so at the end insulin ruined him
gh15 approved
GH15, I have enjoyed your last few posts. Good stuff and lot more reasonable.
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i have heard from a credible buddy that one day he was talking to craig, this was arly 2000's, and he asked craig why he wasnt coming in as tight now that he was a pro, craig told him that he was no longer willing to do what it took for him to get into the kind of condition he got into when he was an amatuer. he was talking about drugs. and that cycle up there makes sense in this context.
although to be honest, all those steroids are a waste. at leats in my experience and in the experience of my buddies.. steroids tend to top out growth at around 1500-2000mgs per week. and they arent what causes conditioning anyway. me thinks craig was just getting lazy
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1,600mg of test
350 mg of deca
448 mg of parabolin...aka tren
700 mg of eq
4,200 mg of Winny
400 mg of masteron
6998 mg of injectables per week....HOLY FUCKING SHIT
hahaha What a bullshit. Can you imagine what your HDL/LDL levels would be on 4,2 Gr of Winny per week.... ::)
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For those interested.. His cycle at his peak..Off another board
"I used to manage Max Muscle a few years ago here in Vegas, the owner was good friends with Craig-I was sitting at work one day and received a fax from Craig(intended for my boss) that listed his entire diet and drug regime for the USA-I was only 19 then and almost my pants when I read this motherer-check it out-please don't critique or argue this cycle, I'm just typing what I read straight from Craig's notebook, I'm sure he didn't want just anyone to read it but here goes-
750 mgs of testosterone cypionate per week all the way up to 3 weeks out
750 mgs of enanthate per week up to 3 weeks out
100 mgs of prop EOD and switched to 100 mgs of suspension ED for the last 6 weeks
50 mgs of deca ED (I don't understand this one)
1.5 cc's of Parabolin EOD
50 mgs of finaplex (DMSO) ED
100 mgs of eq ED
8 Andriol ED
8 Clenbuterol 2 days on 2 off
3 cc's of winstrol EVERYDAY(not a misprint)
40 mgs of Nolvadex ED
4 IU's of Humatrope 5 days on 2 off, he only went up to 6 a day(his gut looked much better when he got his pro card versus now, it's mainly b/c of the GH)
Humulin N and R(long and short acting)-very serious , you have to time your eating or you're in BIG trouble-I talked to Craig a couple weeks ago and he now mixes R with Humalog b/c the Humalog by itself makes him sick
I don't recall the amount but he used quite a bit of cytadren
3-6 Cytomel ED
40 mgs of halotestin ED
1 amp of Masteron EOD
This was all written on a calender and he sporatically threw in oddball shots like 200 mgs of deca here and there, sometimes an amp of sustenon or Heptylate(sp)-I don't understand why but he did look great-he took all his shots in the morning and all his orals at night, I might have left 1 or 2 things out but this will give you a good idea of what it took Craig to turn pro, kinda scary huh? If I remember anything else, I will list it."
Probably Nandrolone PhenylPropionate
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Probably Nandrolone PhenylPropionate
probably for the joints..
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probably for the joints..
to combat the 300 mg of Winstrol he ran ED ;D
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to combat the 300 mg of Winstrol he ran ED ;D
exactly.. ;D
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hahaha What a bullshit. Can you imagine what your HDL/LDL levels would be on 4,2 Gr of Winny per week.... ::)
::) we still have people who doubt the insanity-obsession of pro bodybuilders and those who wish to become a pro bodybuilder. ::)
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If I recall correctly,McFarland stated that Craig said he couldn`t and wouldn`t ever do this type of cycle again (amounts)................he thought it might kill him.
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Fuckin' A! Dogg Crapp told me Craig took alot of shit so much it'd make me sick...
This is the perfect example of someone with lackluster response to hormones drugging it up to make up for it...and he wasn't even a pro yet....I can only imagine what his cycles were like in the latter days of his career...
Well kids there you have it...this is what it takes to be a "champion" :-X
What is the point of taking Test E and Test C at the same time? I saw that Ronald said he did this in that Secrets of bodybuilding revealed.
lol at 4,200 mg of Winny per week...winny is 200mg per cc correct? Even is not 2,200 per week is sick.
1,600mg of test
350 mg of deca
448 mg of parabolin...aka tren
700 mg of eq
4,200 mg of Winny
400 mg of masteron
6998 mg of injectables per week....HOLY FUCKING SHIT
Not counting orals, slin and GH.... Hahahahahahahahahahahaa!!! What a fucking joke...no wonder he was a mad man all the time...anyone would be on all this.
Livin' the dream Babyyyyyyyy!
1) That cycle ain't shit as far as being particularly "heavy".
2) If Craig took this cycle he had poor response to drugs? Come on now. ::) Look at his video from that year... he looked fucking insane. Yeah, most good responders would look much better on this supposed cycle. ::) :D
3) Bodybuilders often stack steroids with no rhyme or reason. Or... similar drugs, such as the Test E and C, are sometimes stacked because you can't always be sure everything is legit or correctly dosed. By mixing all your testosterones, for example, at least you're getting an even dosage throughout.
4) Winstrol, human grade, is 50mg per cc, not 200mg. Tbombz has taken the most Winstrol out of anyone "I know". :D
probably for the joints..
My guess... he took it because he had it lying around. No particular reason, it's just more hormone and if you have it you might as well take it.
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4) Winstrol, human grade, is 50mg per cc, not 200mg. Tbombz has taken the most Winstrol out of anyone "I know". :D
van, you son of a.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it was only for like two weeks!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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van, you son of a.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it was only for like two weeks!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
I could hardly believe it. You're a crazy man. :D
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I could hardly believe it. You're a crazy man. :D
i ended up going through 4 50cc bottles in like 10 days if i remember correctly. i was filling up a syring with 3cc's of the shit and squirting it down my throat.. probably 2-3 times daily. lmao... ;D ;D shit worked great for improving my ability to rep light weight. but was total crap otherwise.
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1) That cycle ain't shit as far as being particularly "heavy".
2) If Craig took this cycle he had poor response to drugs? Come on now. ::) Look at his video from that year... he looked fucking insane. Yeah, most good responders would look much better on this supposed cycle. ::) :D
3) Bodybuilders often stack steroids with no rhyme or reason. Or... similar drugs, such as the Test E and C, are sometimes stacked because you can't always be sure everything is legit or correctly dosed. By mixing all your testosterones, for example, at least you're getting an even dosage throughout.
4) Winstrol, human grade, is 50mg per cc, not 200mg. Tbombz has taken the most Winstrol out of anyone "I know". :D
My guess... he took it because he had it lying around. No particular reason, it's just more hormone and if you have it you might as well take it.
lol ,, i love this fella,,he has the BEST KNOWLEDGE AND POST ON THE WHOLE FUCKIN INTERNET WHEN IT COMES TO REALITY BODYBUILDING,,
gh15 approved!!
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1) That cycle ain't shit as far as being particularly "heavy".
2) If Craig took this cycle he had poor response to drugs? Come on now. ::) Look at his video from that year... he looked fucking insane. Yeah, most good responders would look much better on this supposed cycle. ::) :D
3) Bodybuilders often stack steroids with no rhyme or reason. Or... similar drugs, such as the Test E and C, are sometimes stacked because you can't always be sure everything is legit or correctly dosed. By mixing all your testosterones, for example, at least you're getting an even dosage throughout.
4) Winstrol, human grade, is 50mg per cc, not 200mg. Tbombz has taken the most Winstrol out of anyone "I know". :D
My guess... he took it because he had it lying around. No particular reason, it's just more hormone and if you have it you might as well take it.
I remember the video...And I still say if you have to take that much shit to look like what he looked like, you're not a good responder...You have people that take what we would consider take not much and look good, not much and not look good, average amount and look good, average amount and not look good, alot and look good alot and not look good...
Taking alot and looking good doesn't necessary mean you're a great responder...Great responders are guys that don't take what we would consider alot and look better than guys that take alot...Craig was average for a pro and had average response, he just took alot of shit and I don't care what you say, perhaps you are jaded because you've been around, but that's alot of shit especially if you're not already a pro...It's probably not alot compared to what they allegedly take today. If this is what Craig took in the latter of his career I might agree but he wasn't a pro and did this...I'm sure Ronnie or Jay took/takes more shit than this but if you were to look at a Ronnie cycle at when he was an amateur, you'd see that Craig was indeed all drugs...
I forgot about everything being HG back then cause UG winny is dosed different...so yes, 1050 mg of winny per week vs, 4,200...much better.
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I'll say this, there's a lot of stuff not on that list...A LOT !!! That list sounds about right, but the rec stuff is what would really blow your minds.
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i ended up going through 4 50cc bottles in like 10 days if i remember correctly. i was filling up a syring with 3cc's of the shit and squirting it down my throat.. probably 2-3 times daily. lmao... ;D ;D shit worked great for improving my ability to rep light weight. but was total crap otherwise.
LOL !!!
you are a crazy guy ;D
And I tought I was insane with my 10 omnadrens a week I am about to start ;D
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I'll say this, there's a lot of stuff not on that list...A LOT !!! That list sounds about right, but the rec stuff is what would really blow your minds.
haha 8 lines of coke ED with 1 speed every hour ;D
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LEE took a lot less...
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Excuse my ignorance, but it seems to be quite common ground that fellas really up the doseage once they become pros, so my question is... Do they really get that much bigger after turning pro? And if yes, how much bigger do they get?
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he should have spent his money on GH and not on other products. 4ui a day is really bad for a pro.
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Would we even believe the guys who genuinely dont take a lot and are hyper genetic responders?
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Fuckin' A! Dogg Crapp told me Craig took alot of shit so much it'd make me sick...
This is the perfect example of someone with lackluster response to hormones drugging it up to make up for it...and he wasn't even a pro yet....I can only imagine what his cycles were like in the latter days of his career...
Well kids there you have it...this is what it takes to be a "champion" :-X
What is the point of taking Test E and Test C at the same time? I saw that Ronald said he did this in that Secrets of bodybuilding revealed.
lol at 4,200 mg of Winny per week...winny is 200mg per cc correct? Even is not 2,200 per week is sick.
1,600mg of test
350 mg of deca
448 mg of parabolin...aka tren
700 mg of eq
4,200 mg of Winny
400 mg of masteron
6998 mg of injectables per week....HOLY FUCKING SHIT
Not counting orals, slin and GH.... Hahahahahahahahahahahaa!!! What a fucking joke...no wonder he was a mad man all the time...anyone would be on all this.
Livin' the dream Babyyyyyyyy!
LOL @ ur dumbass, winstrol is 50mg/cc
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Excuse my ignorance, but it seems to be quite common ground that fellas really up the doseage once they become pros, so my question is... Do they really get that much bigger after turning pro? And if yes, how much bigger do they get?
i think Coleman put on 100 lbs of muscle.
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Ok, but how much muscle to he put on after he turned pro and upped the dosages? And how much more weight do these guys put on after they turn pro and up the doseage? My point is that I doubt that they really get that much bigger once they earn their pro card.
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Equipoise 4 shots a week (mon, wed, fri, sat)
Tren 300mg weekly (mon, wed, fri)
Tri-tren 2 shots a week (tues, thurs)
Test400 4 shots a week (tues, thurs, fri, sun)
Sust 4 shots a week (sun, mon, thurs, fri)
Arimidex 1 every 2days
T3 1 a day
GH 15iu 5days a week (sun, mon, tues, thurs, fri)
Ghrp6 3shots a day wednesday and saturday
Insulin 10iu post gym, 5iu before lunch, 5iu before dinner
That make you a high level amateur
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Seriously..I know level 1 and 2 guys that take that much..
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Ok, but how much muscle to he put on after he turned pro and upped the dosages? And how much more weight do these guys put on after they turn pro and up the doseage? My point is that I doubt that they really get that much bigger once they earn their pro card.
thats the who point though ,the bigger u get the harder it is to get bigger and make gains. so its up and up, more is better and probablyy always will be. this is why when a guy at the O gains about 10lbs and just as hard it has such a dramatic effect..thats what ron did 10lbs here then 10lbs there n so ons..
and dont forget all the oxys, vikes, nubain, coke these guys do.
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this is unreal.
i remember i gained 20lb on 1 cc of sustanon 250 per week for 6 weeks, and 20lb on 1 anapolan per day for 6 weeks.
this was after about 2 years of natural training- was a T&F sprinter for years first...went from 70kg to 80kg in the 2 years.
then to0 90, then 100kg.
hardly used a thing eh?- at the time i thought it was hardcore.
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this is unreal.
i remember i gained 20lb on 1 cc of sustanon 250 per week for 6 weeks, and 20lb on 1 anapolan per day for 6 weeks.
this was after about 2 years of natural training- was a T&F sprinter for years first...went from 70kg to 80kg in the 2 years.
then to0 90, then 100kg.
hardly used a thing eh?- at the time i thought it was hardcore.
thats not the same quality,,inorder to make the 1.5 gram test and rest of the grams work and not go to bloofiness and overall mess the need of gh is GREAT,, you can not increse doses of hormone without aducate level of gh in body,,this is what YOU ARE NOT BEING TOLD ,,im tellin this over and over while the morons on md and other flex board places sit and tell you rubbish,,
YOU NEED H G H at higher does than your bodyu produce inorder to make the other hormones effective,,unless you are 22 because at 22 in up to late 20s you still got your gh at good enough levels so you can pull out a lean ripped physiqe resonably big only on steroids,,in reality when you get to 28 your GH GO INTO A PLACE CALLED THE HELL OF ALL SHITS,,thats where you find it,,the doctor tell you that it is 40 i tell you it is 28,,thats why you saw people quiting bodybuilidng back in day at ages 30 ,,now you go on gh and quit it at age 40 ,,thats 10 years ,,
generally speaking you will never look as 3 dimentional while maintinaing large size unless gh is in system ,,and you are pretty much WAISINT YOUR MONEY if you increase doses of roids with out gh in system
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LEE took a lot less...
there is no bodybukder that abused gh and steroids more than lee priest aside from dorian yates and ron colman,,lee priest could just not grow into their size because he fucked himself when he was youngsters with the steroids and too much gh ,,yes there is such a thing as too much when youre too young especially when not consistant with the gh ,,you fuck your own body and thats exactly what he did,,never the less mutant he created,,just take a look at his hands and youll understand
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Excuse my ignorance, but it seems to be quite common ground that fellas really up the doseage once they become pros, so my question is... Do they really get that much bigger after turning pro? And if yes, how much bigger do they get?
more syntetic muscle but it comes with fat,,different kind of fat,, pros are mainly all gh and insulin now days,,you take the gh and insulin and they are at gym rat level 200lb 8-10 % in no time,,6-8 month
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Seriously..I know level 1 and 2 guys that take that much..
thats correct,,state regional level competitor many of them are on protocol like this,,
people need to understand that you dont just go to competition level in 12 weeks from being looking like shit before like many do now days,, even if you keep in shape it still a very hard thing and you are consistantly on drugs,,there is no break
a fella that do a national competition can not afford to stop using drugs,,those fellas are addict,,the moment they stip they shrink like there is no tomorrow,,im talkin about losing a serious 10-20 lb in no time,,reason? because it is SYNTETIC MUSCLE not beloning on them to begin with,,
so to you they can say they use 300mg test and 300mg eq but in reality as i said before you need to multiply it by 4 to get real doses,,
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thats the who point though ,the bigger u get the harder it is to get bigger and make gains. so its up and up, more is better and probablyy always will be. this is why when a guy at the O gains about 10lbs and just as hard it has such a dramatic effect..thats what ron did 10lbs here then 10lbs there n so ons..
and dont forget all the oxys, vikes, nubain, coke these guys do.
that is corecrt! when you have so much drugs in the body you become VERY LAZY ,,ask ken wheeler he can attest to this,,you dotn want to move you want to sit on computer or play video games ask ken wheeler he can attest to it,,you dont want to go and train and only when you go and train you feel little better,,what was and is the solution >?>? they go on COCAINE,,they strop at nothing,,they go on stim sooooo they are full of pharmas in blood that create syntetic growth but dont have the energy due to over load of body and organs,,,so what one does if hes bodybuilder ....go on cocaine or stimulates of many kinds,,that will give the energy needed,,thats very sad because it ruined bodybuildiner,,atleast modern bodybuilding,,BIG BIG DIFF BETWEEN COCAINE CRYSTAL METH AND WEED,,arnold never meant to ruin the cult ,,the new generation ruin it!! dont be this way
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more syntetic muscle but it comes with fat,,different kind of fat,, pros are mainly all gh and insulin now days,,you take the gh and insulin and they are at gym rat level 200lb 8-10 % in no time,,6-8 month
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are you serious? God damn you make it sound like without gh you shouldn't even bother juicing. So nobody looks impressie on steroids alone?
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no ,,ofcourse you can look impressive without gh,,but it will be smaller impressive,,now if you are in your teens as in 17 or in your early 20s then yes you still have high natural gh so you can still grow and look impressive but it will always be NOTHING comparing to the guy near you that is on syntetic gh and has double or tripe what you have naturally,,
now when talking about the mutants you see now days,,you talk about 10 times what your body produce at age 17 ,,10-15 times!!
that is
why
the
bodybuilder
now
days
is
so
damn
large
and even when he is a tiny shrimp with no width like
philip heath ,,,
he can still pull a WIDE look
he just put the 15-20 iu in
and boom you got the width not because you aere wide but!
because your delts grew 3 inches each side of B E E F ,,lean beef
called
M U S C L E F I B E R
something you never had before and was not there when you were done growing at at 22-23
gh15
approved:)
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BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!! The reason Craig never got back into that kind of shape again is two reasons. He got lazy and he started to abuse the fuck out of insulin. I'm so sick of hearing people say that Craig said he didn't want to risk using that kind of dosage again. ::) Craig was on more shit near the end of his career than ever. Do you really think that this guy was scared of drugs?? WTF come on. Plus no amount of steroids get you that shredded. It was diet at the end stage no matter how much other shit he was on. Yes T3 Gh speed clen ECA stack, but to get that way you have to fuking starve. I'm sure Craig tried his hardest to get back to that condition, but the insulin abuse would not let him just like it doesn't let anyone else do it today either!! When someone first starts using slin they actually look better that is until that fat starts to marbleize within the muscle and this takes time. Once this happens you are fuked and you will never have the deep striated striation within the muscle. Look at Phil Heath not putting him down, but he is prime example of this. His muscle look like balloons that have been over inflated with air. Very cartoonish. but no real detail. Yes he has good separation, but like everyone else no striations within the muscle itself like back in the old days. These guys walk around in the offseason looking like overweight powerlifters. Then when they are onstage their faces look bloated like they have not even dieted.
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BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!! The reason Craig never got back into that kind of shape again is two reasons. He got lazy and he started to abuse the fuck out of insulin. I'm so sick of hearing people say that Craig said he didn't want to risk using that kind of dosage again. ::) Craig was on more shit near the end of his career than ever. Do you really think that this guy was scared of drugs?? WTF come on. Plus no amount of steroids get you that shredded. It was diet at the end stage no matter how much other shit he was on. Yes T3 Gh speed clen ECA stack, but to get that way you have to fuking starve. I'm sure Craig tried his hardest to get back to that condition, but the insulin abuse would not let him just like it doesn't let anyone else do it today either!! When someone first starts using slin they actually look better that is until that fat starts to marbleize within the muscle and this takes time. Once this happens you are fuked and you will never have the deep striated striation within the muscle. Look at Phil Heath not putting him down, but he is prime example of this. His muscle look like balloons that have been over inflated with air. Very cartoonish. but no real detail. Yes he has good separation, but like everyone else no striations within the muscle itself like back in the old days. These guys walk around in the offseason looking like overweight powerlifters. Then when they are onstage their faces look bloated like they have not even dieted.
Was only remarking on this fact with my training partner on Sunday
Kai, Jay etc all faces fat on stage while ripped body
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BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!! The reason Craig never got back into that kind of shape again is two reasons. He got lazy and he started to abuse the fuck out of insulin. I'm so sick of hearing people say that Craig said he didn't want to risk using that kind of dosage again. ::) Craig was on more shit near the end of his career than ever. Do you really think that this guy was scared of drugs?? WTF come on. Plus no amount of steroids get you that shredded. It was diet at the end stage no matter how much other shit he was on. Yes T3 Gh speed clen ECA stack, but to get that way you have to fuking starve. I'm sure Craig tried his hardest to get back to that condition, but the insulin abuse would not let him just like it doesn't let anyone else do it today either!! When someone first starts using slin they actually look better that is until that fat starts to marbleize within the muscle and this takes time. Once this happens you are fuked and you will never have the deep striated striation within the muscle. Look at Phil Heath not putting him down, but he is prime example of this. His muscle look like balloons that have been over inflated with air. Very cartoonish. but no real detail. Yes he has good separation, but like everyone else no striations within the muscle itself like back in the old days. These guys walk around in the offseason looking like overweight powerlifters. Then when they are onstage their faces look bloated like they have not even dieted.
Jim do you have pics of people you dieted down ?
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Well, at least with their fat and bloated faces they don't need to worry about obtaining the skeltor look LOL!
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yates's face was as ripped as his body, especialy in the early years, must have hurt him to crack a smile....
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im not so sure about the whole striations within the muscle thing...cause plenty of guys have kept the striated look . if u are at the contest and can see them upclose. i see tons of striations on jay and phil ,harder to see in pics though. also dex has tons ...several of the guys do up close. i think that as you get bigger and bigger cause u have soooo much more muscle they look diferent than when they are smaller but they are still there. imo
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nah, thats rubbish,, they more muscle then yates, levrone, ray etc etc... there just bloated slin pigs,, no grainy muscle at all!!!
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1) That cycle ain't shit as far as being particularly "heavy".
2) If Craig took this cycle he had poor response to drugs? Come on now. ::) Look at his video from that year... he looked fucking insane. Yeah, most good responders would look much better on this supposed cycle. ::) :D
3) Bodybuilders often stack steroids with no rhyme or reason. Or... similar drugs, such as the Test E and C, are sometimes stacked because you can't always be sure everything is legit or correctly dosed. By mixing all your testosterones, for example, at least you're getting an even dosage throughout.
4) Winstrol, human grade, is 50mg per cc, not 200mg. Tbombz has taken the most Winstrol out of anyone "I know". :D
My guess... he took it because he had it lying around. No particular reason, it's just more hormone and if you have it you might as well take it.
Good post....
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1 gh dont cause gut growth it is th einsulin that does it ,,gh reduces waist line ,,tighten it ,,there is no guts on gh unles insulin is there too and insulon on higher level on constant use,,look at the female who use gh ...do you see them gutting around? no guts on hgh even at doses of 15 iu,,look at the last world chanmpionship ,,they abuse the shit out of gh and no gut growth from gh persay
second ,,cycle look ok ,,FOR 90S,,the gh dose is higher no one take 4 iu of gh usually at this level during those years it was 6-15 iu depending on the lean muscle of the bodybuilder
third the murderer owe a lot of money still and generally speaking he could take 3 times the amount of those drugs and still would remain out of top 10 o,,so at the end insulin ruined him
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thats a good point no one ever brought to light befoer......all the females are using HGH asnd noone of them have guts
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thats a good point no one ever brought to light befoer......all the females are using HGH asnd noone of them have guts
there is a female bber in quebec that had a HUGE gut.
it was from the slin.
the next year she dropped the slin, her belly was gone and she had one of the most insane condition I have seen on a woman
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Ok this has gone from crazy to absurd. So now gh is saying that being on every single hormone, peptide and pharmalogical supplement known to mankind isn't enough because you will become lazy ::) ?
The real finishing touch is cocaine. Who knew? I wondered what was missing from my stack ::)
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Ok this has gone from crazy to absurd. So now gh is saying that being on every single hormone, peptide and pharmalogical supplement known to mankind isn't enough because you will become lazy ::) ?
The real finishing touch is cocaine. Who knew? I wondered what was missing from my stack ::)
it's not a secret that high dose of roids makes you lethargic
hell I get letarthic as fuck from 1.5g of gear
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Ok this has gone from crazy to absurd. So now gh is saying that being on every single hormone, peptide and pharmalogical supplement known to mankind isn't enough because you will become lazy ::) ?
The real finishing touch is cocaine. Who knew? I wondered what was missing from my stack ::)
he wont be happy till we are all dead ;D ;D''
what if gh15 was really layne norton devising a secret plot to kill us all with out own poison, just telling us to take more and more, and when we take more.......he will say that isnt enough
(i know i will get flamed by people saying layne isnt natural, but for the purposes of this joke, lets momentarily pretend he is)
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im not so sure about the whole striations within the muscle thing...cause plenty of guys have kept the striated look . if u are at the contest and can see them upclose. i see tons of striations on jay and phil ,harder to see in pics though. also dex has tons ...several of the guys do up close. i think that as you get bigger and bigger cause u have soooo much more muscle they look diferent than when they are smaller but they are still there. imo
I've been back stage at many recent pro shows and seem most of these guys, trust me they don't look anywhere near striated as they did years ago.
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Ok this has gone from crazy to absurd. So now gh is saying that being on every single hormone, peptide and pharmalogical supplement known to mankind isn't enough because you will become lazy ::) ?
The real finishing touch is cocaine. Who knew? I wondered what was missing from my stack ::)
it's not a secret that high dose of roids makes you lethargic
hell I get letarthic as fuck from 1.5g of gear
I was just talking about this with a friend. On some steroids I don't just get lethargic but my motivation to train disappears. Training just doesn't seem important. On Dianabol I feel real good but my most favorite thing to do is take a nap. :D
George, take a look at some bodybuilders on real heavy stacks. Notice how they move real slow, almost half asleep most of the time. When people talk of steroid abuse and roid rage I just tell them heavy steroid users don't have the energy to be aggressive. That's the ones not on cocaine or amphetamines, those you have to watch out for. :D
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Fuckin' A! Dogg Crapp told me Craig took alot of shit so much it'd make me sick...
This is the perfect example of someone with lackluster response to hormones drugging it up to make up for it...and he wasn't even a pro yet....I can only imagine what his cycles were like in the latter days of his career...
Well kids there you have it...this is what it takes to be a "champion" :-X
What is the point of taking Test E and Test C at the same time? I saw that Ronald said he did this in that Secrets of bodybuilding revealed.
lol at 4,200 mg of Winny per week...winny is 200mg per cc correct? Even is not 2,200 per week is sick.
1,600mg of test
350 mg of deca
448 mg of parabolin...aka tren
700 mg of eq
4,200 mg of Winny
400 mg of masteron
6998 mg of injectables per week....HOLY FUCKING SHIT
Not counting orals, slin and GH.... Hahahahahahahahahahahaa!!! What a fucking joke...no wonder he was a mad man all the time...anyone would be on all this.
Livin' the dream Babyyyyyyyy!
This literally makes me sick in my stomach. :'(
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guys what gh15 is sayin is very true, it really is and he is not really goin into all the recreational ,pain meds,and wake up drugs, go to sleep drugs that goin on....even here where i live and we are all trying to win the central states everyones one uppin each other to get that edge...all this stuff is true and it will go nothin but higher..its human nature to do more,go further . get the next big secret drug!!!and so on..imo!!
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I have known many NPC competitors and typical bloated gym freaks that were on enough gear to kill a rhino-- most did recreational drugs--- recreationally. The thought of doing a line when hopped up on 2000mg of test a week gives me heart palpatations just thinking about it. And to give you motiavtion to train? Guys would be dropping dead at the gym on a daily basis.
I've heard of guys running ECA, Aderall and the like-- but cocaine? Get the fuck out of here. Most recreational users can't go 15 minutes without having a drink while they are doing blow-- Your telling me a 280lb freak on 2 grams of test a week and all the other "finshing touches" is ripping lines of cocaine or crystal meth and then training? I don't buy it.
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Well, it's pretty well-known that elite-level powerlifters would do a line before a big attempt, and of course these fellas are on major amounts of da sause as well. I remember a friend of mine that is in the know, said that he witnessed a dude getting stuck in the ass with a needle full of speedball before a max 700 pound dead.
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Bullshit.
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Bullshit.
http://www.news9.com/global/story.asp?s=12399398
3 Arrested in Steroid Lab Bust in Cleveland County
Woodward said Dakota Epperly, 23, Marcus Wade, 26, and Cortny Choate, 20, were arrested Wednesday in connection with the steroids manufacturing and distribution. They were booked into the Cleveland County jail and face charges of Conspiracy to Manufacture CDS Steroids and Possession of CDS Steroids with Intent to Distribute. The penalties carry up to life in prison. Additional charges of violating the Oklahoma Drug Money Laundering/Wire Transmitter Act may also be filed in the case.
During the investigation, Woodward said undercover agents bought steroids from the suspects, as well as some Ecstasy and cocaine.
During the investigation, Woodward said undercover agents bought steroids from the suspects, as well as some Ecstasy and cocaine.
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Well, it's pretty well-known that elite-level powerlifters would do a line before a big attempt, and of course these fellas are on major amounts of da sause as well. I remember a friend of mine that is in the know, said that he witnessed a dude getting stuck in the ass with a needle full of speedball before a max 700 pound dead.
thats ammonia caps not coke.....
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http://www.northcountrygazette.org/2007/09/07/gyms-yield-drug-arrests-makeshift-steroid-lab-shuttered/ (http://www.northcountrygazette.org/2007/09/07/gyms-yield-drug-arrests-makeshift-steroid-lab-shuttered/)
During the investigation, the undercover officers – who posed as drug dealers – are alleged to have made more than 60 separate purchases of steroids, cocaine and prescription narcotics – such as Vicodin, Oxycontin, Percocet and Xanax – from the defendants. Many of the purchases were allegedly made inside the locker rooms, on the gym floor, in the trainer’s office and near the front desk.
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All these guys are smoking weed and doing coke ;)
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http://www.news9.com/global/story.asp?s=12399398
3 Arrested in Steroid Lab Bust in Cleveland County
Woodward said Dakota Epperly, 23, Marcus Wade, 26, and Cortny Choate, 20, were arrested Wednesday in connection with the steroids manufacturing and distribution. They were booked into the Cleveland County jail and face charges of Conspiracy to Manufacture CDS Steroids and Possession of CDS Steroids with Intent to Distribute. The penalties carry up to life in prison. Additional charges of violating the Oklahoma Drug Money Laundering/Wire Transmitter Act may also be filed in the case.
During the investigation, Woodward said undercover agents bought steroids from the suspects, as well as some Ecstasy and cocaine.
Most steroid freaks sell and do recreational drugs-- as do most non steroid freaks. That's not what Im arguing. What I am arguing is that its complete and utter horseshit to argue that these guys are doing cocaine, meth or other recreational drugs as performance enhancers before hitting the gym.
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Yeah I know what amonia caps are, but these powerlifters were taking lines of coke before a big attempt. I'm not talking about some small local meet, but big meets like Nationals. Anyone ever heard of Matt Dimmel?
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I know a lot of guys get hooked on Nubain.
train through the pain.
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Most steroid freaks sell and do recreational drugs-- as do most non steroid freaks. That's not what Im arguing. What I am arguing is that its complete and utter horseshit to argue that these guys are doing cocaine, meth or other recreational drugs as performance enhancers before hitting the gym.
gh15 did not say everyone does it ,,gh15 said many do! and yes believe it or not,,in the showers in gyms you can see the amatuer bodybuilder they look like ones very easy to recognize,,walking with bloody nose in the bathroom ,,and its not from anadrol ,,its from cocaine!,,they also never get anywhere those amatuers but still many around,,those are also the ones who just had kidny transplants etc,,so you do the math,,
i never make up those things,,its all real true stories,,not all do it but MANY DO,,including some of us pros
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there is a female bber in quebec that had a HUGE gut.
it was from the slin.
the next year she dropped the slin, her belly was gone and she had one of the most insane condition I have seen on a woman
does her name begin with J and she works for paul dillet?
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does her name begin with J and she works for paul dillet?
OMG I know that bitch.. she's gross looking in person!!! she walks around all jacked up with severe lat flare!
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OMG I know that bitch.. she's gross looking in person!!! she walks around all jacked up with severe lat flare!
5 o'clock shadow worse than mine... and i'm a hairy bastard...
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Well, it's pretty well-known that elite-level powerlifters would do a line before a big attempt, and of course these fellas are on major amounts of da sause as well. I remember a friend of mine that is in the know, said that he witnessed a dude getting stuck in the ass with a needle full of speedball before a max 700 pound dead.
You are correct.
I personally know some of the strongest lifters in Texas and many of them do coke before lifting. I used to workout with a guy who would walk into the men's bathroom and snort a line before doing max attempts on squats. Last i checked he is still alive.
As far as the injection of speed, i have heard that this man below is known to get shot with something just before big lifts...
Most of the people on this board have no clue what goes on in the real world of sports enhancement. It is extremely common for a bodybuilder or powerlifter to abuse coke/meth. Ask Jeff McFarland, he lived through it and saw it just like i did.
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Most steroid freaks sell and do recreational drugs-- as do most non steroid freaks. That's not what Im arguing. What I am arguing is that its complete and utter horseshit to argue that these guys are doing cocaine, meth or other recreational drugs as performance enhancers before hitting the gym.
I have done coke before lifting and lived to tell about it. Wasn't the best idea but i know guys who have been doing it for YEARS. In fact i know a guy who has been on meth for 7 years and leads a normal life with a family. Everything is not always as it seems in your corner of the Earth.
Not much different than drinking a redbull quickly before working out.
You are uninformed on this topic, just move on to another one.
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5 o'clock shadow worse than mine... and i'm a hairy bastard...
she has a face like a bulldog... lol, she has a friend that's also a fbb and also friends with paul, we call her 'predator'
lol, I won't get into why but I'm sure you can imagine..
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I have done coke before lifting and lived to tell about it. Wasn't the best idea but i know guys who have been doing it for YEARS. In fact i know a guy who has been on meth for 7 years and leads a normal life with a family. Everything is not always as it seems in your corner of the Earth.
Not much different than drinking a redbull quickly before working out.
You are uninformed on this topic, just move on to another one.
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I am much better informed on recreational drug use than most people. I don't need to justify or explain my personal life to someone on the internet, so I'll just leave it at that. I have some knowledge of performance enhancing drugs-- not a guru by any stretch, but more than your average nobody. Comparing cocaine and crystal meth to red bull shows you obviously don't know jack shit about recreational drugs-- Such a comparison is like comparing Advil to Oxycontin; completely different chemical structure and overall effect on the body especially the nervous system and the heart. And if it was an apt comparison, why wouldn't these guys simply drink a rebull before working out genius?
Just because you know of a few functional drug addicts and morons that pump themselves full of synthetic hormones and rail a few lines of coke to increase their one rep bench press max (which is beyond pathetic btw) doesn't mean that doing so is a normal or prevalent practice, even among bodybuilders.
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http://www.news9.com/global/story.asp?s=12399398
3 Arrested in Steroid Lab Bust in Cleveland County
Woodward said Dakota Epperly, 23, Marcus Wade, 26, and Cortny Choate, 20, were arrested Wednesday in connection with the steroids manufacturing and distribution. They were booked into the Cleveland County jail and face charges of Conspiracy to Manufacture CDS Steroids and Possession of CDS Steroids with Intent to Distribute. The penalties carry up to life in prison. Additional charges of violating the Oklahoma Drug Money Laundering/Wire Transmitter Act may also be filed in the case.
During the investigation, Woodward said undercover agents bought steroids from the suspects, as well as some Ecstasy and cocaine.
During the investigation, Woodward said undercover agents bought steroids from the suspects, as well as some Ecstasy and cocaine.
Yup, you're right.
Ever heard why Dennis James left Thailand?? He had a great life there, roids legal and cheap, big house, sun.
He had to flee to Germany because in Thailand, busted with drugs means death penalty. He made a good deal and is not a thai citizen, but i bet my ass he will never touch thai ground again.
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You are correct.
I personally know some of the strongest lifters in Texas and many of them do coke before lifting. I used to workout with a guy who would walk into the men's bathroom and snort a line before doing max attempts on squats. Last i checked he is still alive.
As far as the injection of speed, i have heard that this man below is known to get shot with something just before big lifts...
Most of the people on this board have no clue what goes on in the real world of sports enhancement. It is extremely common for a bodybuilder or powerlifter to abuse coke/meth. Ask Jeff McFarland, he lived through it and saw it just like i did.
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That dude can jump like he's on the moon...
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That dude can jump like he's on the moon...
OMFG, he took a handful of chalk from the tray, SNORTED it and then proceeded to do his lift.... WTF
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Most steroid freaks sell and do recreational drugs-- as do most non steroid freaks. That's not what Im arguing. What I am arguing is that its complete and utter horseshit to argue that these guys are doing cocaine, meth or other recreational drugs as performance enhancers before hitting the gym.
so george what ur saying is you DONT think you can train more,better and harder on such things as vikes, oxys and coke??? well if u are you are sadly mistaken take sum oxys or vikes b4 working out you will have a fantastic pump and be able to train harder and longer....believe or not i do not care...its a FACT you can and will!!!
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OMFG, he took a handful of chalk from the tray, SNORTED it and then proceeded to do his lift.... WTF
Haha.
He had an ammonia cap behind his ear and sniffed that before the lift.
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