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Concerning these leaks, will the good outweigh the bad?
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There is a principle called 'publish or be damned'.
I don't think consequences ever should be a factor whether you decide on publish.
Self censoring isn't the task of an independent media outlet.
I may not like what is in what is leaked -actually I think it's dangerous - but I will stand up for the right for for it to be published.
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bad
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bad
The only with any balls in the govt is Hillary.
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Wiki Leaks is what it is, the real problem are the traitors who supply the classified information to them. Execute a few and I bet that shit comes to a quick halt. Besides Assange stepped in it this time, you don't mess with Putin and walk away.
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Bad,
if you think our govt is made up of angels with good intentions, you're a moron who probably can't take a crap without directions, or just plain scared.
if you need a document release to realize we do some screwed up stuff, you're just plain dumb.
however, if name of snitches and agents are getting out - and they're getting in harms way - then I'm baffled why we haven't JDAM'd this guy's car already. I mean, we drop thousands of pounds of bombs on bad guys who did shit to hurt our country 10 years ago, damn the collateral damage. We can't pinkmist one moron who is hurting ONGOING military efforts? Doesn't make sense.
Politically, it benefits obama for this clown to be publishing this stuff. Cause it reminds everyone what a hell spawn heartless bastard (necessary for utilitarian goals BTW) that Bush was.
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Bad,
if you think our govt is made up of angels with good intentions, you're a moron who probably can't take a crap without directions, or just plain scared.
if you need a document release to realize we do some screwed up stuff, you're just plain dumb.
however, if name of snitches and agents are getting out - and they're getting in harms way - then I'm baffled why we haven't JDAM'd this guy's car already. I mean, we drop thousands of pounds of bombs on bad guys who did shit to hurt our country 10 years ago, damn the collateral damage. We can't pinkmist one moron who is hurting ONGOING military efforts? Doesn't make sense.
Politically, it benefits obama for this clown to be publishing this stuff. Cause it reminds everyone what a hell spawn heartless bastard (necessary for utilitarian goals BTW) that Bush was.
Helps obama?
Dear God are you messed up in the head.
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Helps obama?
Dear God are you messed up in the head.
What % of the evil deeds listed happened before and after Jan 2009? ;)
What % of the remaining deeds make hilary (2012 threat) look like shit?
Actually, jsut list what % of these leaked cables make obama look bad. i'd guess not many.
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This is terrible. They need to find and prosecute the people responsible for stealing this information.
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This is terrible. They need to find and prosecute the people responsible for stealing this information.
Too busy tracking down the makers of fake coach bags.
Sad but true.
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This is terrible. They need to find and prosecute the people responsible for stealing this information.
they're too busy investigating the use of steroids in baseball.
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WikiLeaks are true patriots in my opinion and should keep up the wonderful work. Its rather sickening to read what exactly is going on. A lot of "spy vs. spy" pointless nonsense and total government waste.
This whole things really shines light on how big of a mess the world and the United States really are. Its like a giant game at the top meanwhile the lowly people and citizens just continue to suffer.
Its obvious way over any one man`s head and charge and is but a giant industry of subterfuge
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WikiLeaks are true patriots in my opinion and should keep up the wonderful work. Its rather sickening to read what exactly is going on. A lot of "spy vs. spy" pointless nonsense and total government waste.
This whole things really shines light on how big of a mess the world and the United States really are. Its like a giant game at the top meanwhile the lowly people and citizens just continue to suffer.
Its obvious way over any one man`s head and charge and is but a giant industry of subterfuge
Completely nonsensical.
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they're too busy investigating the use of steroids in baseball.
you mean tracking down people making fake louis Vuitoon bags?
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you mean tracking down people making fake louis Vuitoon bags?
It is a serious threat to the economy actually. More serious than you may realize.
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It is a serious threat to the economy actually. More serious than you may realize.
I prefer ICE spend its time guarding the border and deporting the criminal illegal aliens in our country.
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Regardless of how we feel about the content of the leak, it's important to defend the publishing. Next time it may be a damning document about an Islamic dictatorship. And if we've killed Wikileaks and similar outlets there may be nobody to blow the whistle that time.
Freedom of speech - use it or lose it.
Can't believe some of you fellas actually calling for assassination of these journalists.
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Regardless of how we feel about the content of the leak, it's important to defend the publishing. Next time it may be a damning document about an Islamic dictatorship. And if we've killed Wikileaks and similar outlets there may be nobody to blow the whistle that time.
Freedom of speech - use it or lose it.
Can't believe some of you fellas actually calling for assassination of these journalists.
The one to blame is whoever in the military leaked ths.
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Regardless of how we feel about the content of the leak, it's important to defend the publishing. Next time it may be a damning document about an Islamic dictatorship. And if we've killed Wikileaks and similar outlets there may be nobody to blow the whistle that time.
Freedom of speech - use it or lose it.
Can't believe some of you fellas actually calling for assassination of these journalists.
I don't give a shit about the journalist, although they should probably be looking over their shoulder ;), The fuck heads that leaked the documents are my concern.
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Regardless of how we feel about the content of the leak, it's important to defend the publishing. Next time it may be a damning document about an Islamic dictatorship. And if we've killed Wikileaks and similar outlets there may be nobody to blow the whistle that time.
Freedom of speech - use it or lose it.
Can't believe some of you fellas actually calling for assassination of these journalists.
Exactly.
Thomas Jefferson would shed a tear if got wind of the way some of these people think and how they would prefer to act.
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Regardless of how we feel about the content of the leak, it's important to defend the publishing. Next time it may be a damning document about an Islamic dictatorship. And if we've killed Wikileaks and similar outlets there may be nobody to blow the whistle that time.
Freedom of speech - use it or lose it.
Can't believe some of you fellas actually calling for assassination of these journalists.
Completely disagree. This isn't about freedom of speech. It's about threats to national security.
What the media (both domestic and foreign) has shown is that it has no conscience and lacks any real restraint, common sense, etc.
I seriously doubt an American media outlet would be allowed to publish stolen classified documents that threaten national security.
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Regardless of how we feel about the content of the leak, it's important to defend the publishing. Next time it may be a damning document about an Islamic dictatorship. And if we've killed Wikileaks and similar outlets there may be nobody to blow the whistle that time.
Freedom of speech - use it or lose it.
Can't believe some of you fellas actually calling for assassination of these journalists.
This guy isn't a journalist. He's someone with a massive hard-on for the US who thinks he's doing something akin to God's work by revealing this stuff. There has been a growing acknowledgement that this site has ceased to serve the purpose it was created for (protecting whistle blowers) and degraded into yet another anti-US operation. Even people who work for, or did work for, Assange have said that his obsession with America is destroying the organization.
I have no respect for someone that has no qualms with releasing the names of informants and people embedded with organizations like the Taliban in their pursuit of making a quick buck. I wonder what his excuse would be if one of those people and their family end up dead as a result of the earlier leaks.
Or the new revelation that China is apparently abandoning North Korea. Do we really need to add fuel to that fire?
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I don't like the latest published stuff either. But I gather it's not so easy that we can pick and choose what should be published.
I definitely look forward to Wikileaks losing lots of support over this.
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Like any of it really matters to the cosmos. Oh the pitiful humans. :-\
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I don't like the latest published stuff either. But I gather it's not so easy that we can pick and choose what should be published.
I definitely look forward to Wikileaks losing lots of support over this.
Hedge it's really not that difficult. Don't publish stolen classified documents that harm national security and put people's lives in danger.
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Regardless of how we feel about the content of the leak, it's important to defend the publishing. Next time it may be a damning document about an Islamic dictatorship. And if we've killed Wikileaks and similar outlets there may be nobody to blow the whistle that time.
Freedom of speech - use it or lose it.
Can't believe some of you fellas actually calling for assassination of these journalists.
It's ironic how much I agree with you. The idea of killing this guy, just makes you guys seems like a bunch of corrupt figures from Iran. The guy may of done shit in the fuck up ways, but it's a two way street, for every guy killed because of this fucker, atleast one will be wrongly killed in the documents due to lack of transparency in the American command/government.
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WikiLeaks are true patriots in my opinion and should keep up the wonderful work. Its rather sickening to read what exactly is going on. A lot of "spy vs. spy" pointless nonsense and total government waste.
This whole things really shines light on how big of a mess the world and the United States really are. Its like a giant game at the top meanwhile the lowly people and citizens just continue to suffer.
Its obvious way over any one man`s head and charge and is but a giant industry of subterfuge
If wiki leaks isn't some kind of intelligence diversion like some here have suggested, it seems like they might put our out of control government in check a little bit... Maybe not...
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Concerning these leaks, will the good outweigh the bad?
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These leaks are absolutely great.
They are a major step towards creating true transparancy and battling corruption.
I realy don't see how people can think they are bad. But I guess these are the same people who battle for the rich in America to pay less taxes.
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Taxes should be lower for the wealthy, and the poor...
Guess that's not an easy thing to accomplish after those last two presidents traitors looted our nation...
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Taxes should be lower for the wealthy, and the poor...
Guess that's not an easy thing to accomplish after those last two presidents traitors looted our nation...
Saying tax should be lower for the wealthy is a fucking joke of course generally they need to be, but it's only out of necessity, it's this kind of bullshit that makes me wonder about some folks.
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Obama administration is weak in the face of WikiLeaks
By Marc A. Thiessen
Monday, November 29, 2010; 10:52 AM
Is the United States of America really powerless to stop a nomadic cyber-hacker - who sleeps on people's couches and changes his hair color to avoid surveillance - from causing enormous damage to our national security?
Apparently, in the age of Obama, we are.
Four months ago, the criminal enterprise WikiLeaks released more than 75,000 stolen classified documents that, among other things, revealed the identities of more than 100 Afghans who were cooperating with America against the Taliban. The Obama administration condemned WikiLeaks' actions. The Justice Department said it was weighing criminal charges against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange. The Pentagon warned that if WikiLeaks did not stand down and return other stolen documents it possessed, the government would "make them do the right thing."
And then nothing happened.
Last month, WikiLeaks struck again - this time posting more than 390,000 classified documents on the war in Iraq. Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, responded with a Twitter post: "Another irresponsible posting of stolen classified documents by WikiLeaks puts lives at risk and gives adversaries valuable information." Mullen was right - but, with all respect to the chairman, a tweet was not exactly the cyber-response the WikiLeaks disclosures warranted.
Now, WikiLeaks has struck a third time with what may prove to be its most damaging disclosures yet - a cache of more than 251,287 American diplomatic cables and directives, including more than 117,000 that are classified. According to the New York Times, which was given advance copies of the documents, many cables "name diplomats' confidential sources, from foreign legislators and military officers to human rights activists and journalists, often with a warning to Washington: 'Please protect' or 'Strictly protect.' " Other documents detail confidential conversations with foreign leaders, including Arab leaders urging the U.S. to attack Iran's nuclear facilities. Still others could hamper U.S. counterterrorism efforts - such as a cable in which Yemeni leaders say they lied to their own parliament by claiming that Yemeni forces, not Americans, had carried out missile attacks against al-Qaeda. If Yemen responds to this revelation by restricting U.S. efforts to hunt down al-Qaeda, the results could be devastating.
What action did the Obama administration take to prevent the impending release of such volatile information? State Department legal adviser Harold Koh sent a strongly worded letter urging WikiLeaks to cease publishing classified materials. I'm sure that made Assange think twice.
Is the Obama administration going to do anything - anything at all - to stop these serial disclosures of our nation's most closely guarded secrets? Just this past week, the federal government took decisive action to shut down more than 70 Web sites that were disseminating pirated music and movies. Hollywood is safe, but WikiLeaks is free to disseminate classified documents without consequence.
With this latest release, Assange may now have illegally disclosed more classified information than anyone in American history. He is in likely violation of the Espionage Act and arguably is providing material support for terrorism. But unlike leakers who came before him, Assange has done more than release information; he has created a virtual system for the ongoing collection and dissemination of America's secrets. The very existence of WikiLeaks is a threat to national security. Unless something is done, WikiLeaks will only grow more brazen - and our unwillingness to stop it will embolden others to reveal classified information using the unlawful medium Assange has built.
WikiLeaks' first disclosures caught the Obama administration by surprise. But how does the administration explain its inaction in the face of WikiLeaks' two subsequent, and increasingly dangerous, releases? In both cases, it had fair warning: Assange announced what kinds of documents he possessed, and he made clear his intention to release them.
The Obama administration has the ability to bring Assange to justice and to put WikiLeaks out of business. The new U.S. Cyber Command could shut down WilkiLeaks' servers and prevent them from releasing more classified information on President Obama's orders. But, as The Post reported this month, the Obama administration has been paralyzed by infighting over how, and when, it might use these new offensive capabilities in cyberspace. One objection: "The State Department is concerned about diplomatic backlash" from any offensive actions in cyberspace, The Post reported. Well, now the State Department can deal with the "diplomatic backlash" that comes from standing by helplessly, while WikiLeaks releases hundreds of thousands of its most sensitive diplomatic cables.
Because of its failure to act, responsibility for the damage done by these most recent disclosures now rests with the Obama administration. Perhaps this latest release crosses a line that will finally spur the administration to action. After all, the previous disclosures harmed only our war efforts. But this latest disclosure is a blow to a cause Democrats really care about - our diplomatic efforts. Maybe now, finally, the gloves will come off. Or is posting mournful tweets about the damage done to our national security the best this administration can do?
Marc Thiessen is a visiting fellow with the American Enterprise Institute and writes a weekly column for The Post.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/29/AR2010112902474_pf.html
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Lol 100 afghans is this suppose to mean something, these type of docs, will likely save 100+ of american and allied troops in the future, if the result is in greater transparency with the government.
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Taxes should be lower for the wealthy, and the poor...
Guess that's not an easy thing to accomplish after those last two presidents traitors looted our nation...
Why should taxes be lower for the poor? You don't think they should have to pay their fair share?
Most public money in existance is spent directly or indirectly on 'the poor'.
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Good As Fuck
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Why should taxes be lower for the poor? You don't think they should have to pay their fair share?
Most public money in existance is spent directly or indirectly on 'the poor'.
Lol because wealth shouldn't get concentrated in the hands of the rich, don't quote some economic theory. The rich make wealth off the backs of the poor, the system works don't make it right. In practice it's best to keep the rich lightly tax, to avoid capital flight and stagnation, but don't act like this is the way it should be, that's the talk of deluded fucks, that are far too out of touch with reality.
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Lol because wealth shouldn't get concentrated in the hands of the rich, don't quote some economic theory. The rich make wealth off the backs of the poor, the system works don't make it right. In practice it's best to keep the rich lightly tax, to avoid capital flight and stagnation, but don't act like this is the way it should be, that's the talk of deluded fucks, that are far too out of touch with reality.
Oh fuck that crap.
"The rich make money off the backs of the poor"... as if 'the rich' force them to spend all their money on cigaretts, medical marijuana and spinners.
If the poor man honestly doesn't want to be poor, he can get off his ass and become a rich man. Rewarding the poor man for being poor is rediculous. If you are going to tax the guy making $200K a year 45%, tax the one making 30K 45% too.
Make it fair for once.
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Oh fuck that crap.
"The rich make money off the backs of the poor"... as if 'the rich' force them to spend all their money on cigaretts, medical marijuana and spinners.
If the poor man honestly doesn't want to be poor, he can get off his ass and become a rich man. Rewarding the poor man for being poor is rediculous. If you are going to tax the guy making $200K a year 45%, tax the one making 30K 45% too.
Make it fair for once.
Lol everyone can't make 200k a year, are you just speaking nonsense or something, if they did purchasing power would simply decrease and you would simply have a bunch of stressed out fucks fighting for an equal slice of the pie.
There are finite resources, you gotta be autistic to think that money just grows out of thin air. This kind of bullshit is so old it ain't fit.
Sure in theory one person can go from poor to rich, but in reality there will always be people at the bottom, you can't avoid this, there are finite resources believing the poor are different from you are me, just highlights your delusion, were all people, some get pushed to the bottom others stay on top it's how the system works, you can't suggest this is the way it should be.
This entrenched system of believing that the world is fair, is so delusional it ain't fit, it's tremendously unfair that the poor get fucked, problem is there's not alot of ways around it.
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Goddammit LIG, how many poor people do you see busting their ass vs how many do you see being complete welfare leeching fucktards? There is a reason a typical poor person is poor, and there is a reason the rich are rich.
Rewarding poorness is stupid.
and you aren't arguing the point here anyways.
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Lol everyone can't make 200k a year, are you just speaking nonsense or something, if they did purchasing power would simply decrease and you would simply have a bunch of stressed out fucks fighting for an equal slice of the pie.
There are finite resources, you gotta be autistic to think that money just grows out of thin air. This kind of bullshit is so old it ain't fit.
Sure in theory one person can go from poor to rich, but in reality there will always be people at the bottom, you can't avoid this, there are finite resources believing the poor are different from you are me, just highlights your delusion, were all people, some get pushed to the bottom others stay on top it's how the system works, you can't suggest this is the way it should be.
This entrenched system of believing that the world is fair, is so delusional it ain't fit, it's tremendously unfair that the poor get fucked, problem is there's not alot of ways around it.
You just owned yourself in your own post.
"In theory there will always be people at the bottom."
I understand that you want the government to hand you everything because you're an uneducated, "dyslexic" moron but it doesn't work that way, sunshine. Enjoy being a ditch digger.
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Goddammit LIG, how many poor people do you see busting their ass vs how many do you see being complete welfare leeching fucktards? There is a reason a typical poor person is poor, and there is a reason the rich are rich.
Rewarding poorness is stupid.
and you aren't arguing the point here anyways.
What do you mean by poor, if you mean the welfare leeches say so, you didn't, so piss off. There's loads of mininum wage job people that are fucked don't pretend there aren't, grouping them with freeloaders is just your way of ignoring the obvious truth which is low taxes won't do shit. the lower half of the pop.
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[/quote] What do you mean by poor, if you mean the welfare leeches say so, you didn't, so piss off. There's loads of mininum wage job people that are fucked don't pretend there aren't, grouping them with freeloaders is just your way of ignoring the obvious truth which is low taxes won't do shit. the lower half of the pop.
Yes, and 'the man' is just out there, FORCING them to take these jobs instead of the high paying jobs they could have....
If you work for minimum wage, chances are you are minimum worth.
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You just owned yourself in your own post.
"In theory there will always be people at the bottom."
I understand that you want the government to hand you everything because you're an uneducated, "dyslexic" moron but it doesn't work that way, sunshine. Enjoy being a ditch digger.
Another post of reactionary bullshit from you, what a surprise. I don't want the gov to do shit for me, I don't need it. There's many that do so fuck off with trying to make complicated shit simple. I'm pretty conservative, but only by default, it's a shit system but there's nothing proven to be better at the moment.
Did daddy beat you too much or not enough or something you react to react to everything like your being pissed on or something.
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cia front . its bad
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Another post of reactionary bullshit from you, what a surprise. I don't want the gov to do shit for me, I don't need it. There's many that do so fuck off with trying to make complicated shit simple. I'm pretty conservative, but only by default, it's a shit system but there's nothing proven to be better at the moment.
Did daddy beat you too much or not enough or something you react to react to everything like your being pissed on or something.
You don't want the government to do shit for you? You wanted the government to pay your school loan when you decided that you just wouldn't bother.
You = benefit leech scumbag.
cia front . its bad
Provide hard evidence beyond an opinionated article.
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Yes, and 'the man' is just out there, FORCING them to take these jobs instead of the high paying jobs they could have....
If you work for minimum wage, chances are you are minimum worth.
Lol it's pretty much a fact that people will be at the bottom dude no matter how worthier they are, as long as someone else is 1 percent better, or just arbitrarly chosen for better shit.
Your need to make things justified is sad.
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You don't want the government to do shit for you? You wanted the government to pay your school loan when you decided that you just wouldn't bother.
You = benefit leech scumbag.
Provide hard evidence beyond an opinionated article.
Lol my government didn't pay shit, I paid a late fee that paid any interest that would of been incured to my school while I paid it late, my folks footed the bill no loans issued. Your just proving my point which is you just react regardless of merit, you hop around like a one footed dog.
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Lol it's pretty much a fact that people will be at the bottom dude no matter how worthier they are, as long as someone else is 1 percent better, or just arbitrarly chosen for better shit.
Your need to make things justified is sad.
You're the one trying to justify some reason why poor people shouldn't pay taxes.
If someone is "1 percent" inferior, why should they get special treatment?
Epic liberal bullshit.
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You're the one trying to justify some reason why poor people shouldn't pay taxes.
If someone is "1 percent" inferior, why should they get special treatment?
Epic liberal bullshit.
Because if someone is 1 percent inferior, they can end up with 10 percent of the wealth. This is the problem, your acting like every hour of hard work, translate to money, when in reality, it's only 1 percent over the average that results in anything at all, so as long as your of average or below average value you will get fucked. This system works because it keep people motivated working harder to avoid being shafted, it's a rat race and it's a flawed system.
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Because if someone is 1 percent inferior, they can end up with 10 percent of the wealth. This is the problem, your acting like every hour of hard work, translate to money, when in reality, it's only 1 percent over the average that results in anything at all, so as long as your of average or below average value you will get fucked. This system works because it keep people motivated working harder to avoid being shafted, it's a rat race and it's a flawed system.
Psycho-babble BS
Question: Why does this justify the poor paying less than the (1%) more successful?
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Psycho-babble BS
Question: Why does this justify the poor paying less than the (1%) more successful?
Physco babble bahaha, unless you got some valid theories on how humans work please don't talk of shit you know nothing about, this is the problem autistic retards flock to economics and pretend like somehow we stop being human because some theory tells us not too.
To the question: Because if two people are doing the same job, and one person is only producing 10 percent more output they shouldn't get a 300 percent share of the product. It makes no sense, it's unbalanced hence the concept of progressive taxes. This shit is pretty simple to understand, of course it's super fucking messy which is why I don't vote for the left, regardless though it's still relevant
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It's a man shaking another man's hand why does this bother you so?
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He is bowing to the chinaman because he makes 10% more product.
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Provide hard evidence beyond an opinionated article.
don't have any.
sorry for the copy and paste but I have to agree with these two. look at he way htings have gone before and look how the media/gov is mind fucking us with this bullshit.
Given what I know and have learned over the years, I really have a hard time believing that these supposed "leaks" are not intentionally being released for an ulterior motive. Yes, obviously it is important to know what's really going on in war, but really, do these leaks tell people who are more informed than most (like the majority of people that post here) what we haven't already concluded is likely to be happening based on past events and gathered information? Most people here, I think, have a pretty good idea of what the overall agenda is, so this "leaked" information is unlikely to have the same affect on us as with the general population, who believe most of the crap they see on the tube.
The "US government" (there is no such thing) is playing their dialectical role in condemning the leaks, but c'mon. The people who control the US government, and just about every other government of the world, LOVE anything that makes the US look bad to the world, because as you and I know, the US is scheduled to be destroyed so it can be assimilated as planned into the global governmental structure being constructed.
So they NEED stuff like this to demoralize and enrage people, and make them think the US as a whole, including its people, are the enemy of all humanity, so they will not put up as much of a fight when what they believe to be their country is taken away from them in place of what will no doubt be presented as a "solution" to these atrocities being witnessed. Likewise, nobody else will want to come to bat for us when the unthinkable happens, either.
I have found that truth (or perhaps I should say truth(s)) can be, and is, a double-edged sword, which is the same reason the media has no problem promoting things that were once laughed at as being "conspiracy theories," and now being embraced by millions of people.
Today I decided to do an analysis of the news printed in the Guardian. I so this once in a while; it's an overview analysis of "reading between the lines" and seeing what the MediA wants to world to beLIEve. Hey, if they are going to brainwash us they certainly need the Guardian to be on board.
What is the first thing I saw? In big bold letters with big images on the first page a Latest News... WikiLeaks revelations: the world reacts! It's all about WikiLeaks. This tells me that WikiLeaks is not, or no longer, a communication device of the people to "leak" info regarding big brother NWO, etc... It's all over folks. WikiLeaks is totally under the control of the MediA and they are certainly using it to push their agenda.
Hey... if I was at the top of the NWO this is what I would of done (and if little me can think of this, you can bet them industrial psychopaths probably can too_)
- one day a new communication device WikiLeaks is created, say by us the population (which may not be true, but anyway...).
- info is leaked that makes big brother (me for this example) look bad
- soon after I take charge and make it mine, by engaging in propaganda with MediA.
- I tell media to twist the "leaked info" and push that in the face of the public,
- I deny everything and "character assassin" all those who leaked info,
- I use internal agents to create NEW (false) info in Wikileaks and let the MediA push that even more and bigger than all the other info,
- Then I deny the (what I know is fake) new leaked info.
- repeat the new fake info and media push over and over until,
- all the media are now pushing MY AGENDA and folks are now hooked on WikiLeaks and beLIEVE that the population really have a tool to expose the big boys NWO.
Yes folks, it's THAT SIMPLE. While it may be true that in the beginning some info may have been authentic "leaks", now I think it's all over and done with. Nothing more is real and it's probably ALL info that they want us to beLIEve!!!
So for those they are tuned into WikiLeaks and happy to see the population stick it to the big boys, you probably are way deep into brainwash and are being manipulated like unconscious puppets.
Sorry to say all that, but if I can think of a strategy to manipulate WikiLeaks and YOU, then it's probably being done. Like Alan Watt always says; "Never assume the boys on top are idiots; they are clever and have experts working for generations on social control". In the end, if it's on the first page of the news, it's not real!
Any thought? (please leave you ego at the door; if you've been suckered in and think you are way to clever for that, then give it a few minutes to sink in before you diss my theory).
hehehe
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If you work in the media you'll know there is no conspiracy at work. Sorry. It's almost never as sexy or as dramatic as you may think.
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What's funny is nothing leaked hasn't been made known before. Beck has been preaching a lot of what was leaked for over a yr...enter Beck haters here.
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Why should taxes be lower for the poor? You don't think they should have to pay their fair share?
Most public money in existance is spent directly or indirectly on 'the poor'.
By poor I mean middle class... Settle down there asshole...
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By poor I mean middle class... Settle down there asshole...
Go fuck yourself.
And by 'go fuck yourself', I mean go fuck yourself.
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Go fuck yourself.
And by 'go fuck yourself', I mean go fuck yourself.
We're on the same page Mr. Asshole Dairy Farmer....
I don't think wealthy people should have half their income stolen...
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We're on the same page Mr. Asshole Dairy Farmer....
I don't think wealthy people should have half their income stolen...
Oh.... um.....
Well fuck me then..... I wasn't paying attention apparently.
Carry on.
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Oh.... um.....
Well fuck me then..... I wasn't paying attention apparently.
Carry on.
I was an asshole first... ;D
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Wikileaks next leak will supposedly be about a major bank.
I'd love to see how all conspiracy whack jobs are gonna fit that into the picture. ::)
And everyone who are opposed to Wikileaks now - will y'all be opposed if the leak about the bank actually shows major corruption?
I think it's beyond ironic when you have news paper editorials calling for legal action or sometimes even military action towards Wikileaks.
They of all should stand up for independent media.
I would say that the two main assignments of news media is to relay news, information and to investigate those in power.
That is exactly what Wikileaks is doing, without any regard for the consequences, mind you.
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Wikileaks next leak will supposedly be about a major bank.
I'd love to see how all conspiracy whack jobs are gonna fit that into the picture. ::)
And everyone who are opposed to Wikileaks now - will y'all be opposed if the leak about the bank actually shows major corruption?
I think it's beyond ironic when you have news paper editorials calling for legal action or sometimes even military action towards Wikileaks.
They of all should stand up for independent media.
I would say that the two main assignments of news media is to relay news, information and to investigate those in power.
That is exactly what Wikileaks is doing, without any regard for the consequences, mind you.
There's no need for conspiracy if their is convening interest, media, most business have a direct interest in maintaining the status quo, they have no interest in having shit shuck up. Change is usually bad more many even if it's good for a few.
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There is a principle called 'publish or be damned'.
I don't think consequences ever should be a factor whether you decide on publish.
Self censoring isn't the task of an independent media outlet.
I may not like what is in what is leaked -actually I think it's dangerous - but I will stand up for the right for for it to be published.
Again, we gotta support Wikileaks right to publish.
Obama and Hillary Clinton have been some of the targets of this latest disclosure.
Next time it's gonna be the banks.
And the time after that it could be Sarah Palin. Or whoever.
But Wikileaks shows a lot of lies.
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Israel has largely come across very well in all of this.
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Israel has largely come across very well in all of this.
mods, move to CT board please.
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Why is that? Its a fact.
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It's a man shaking another man's hand why does this bother you so?
Cause he Amuuuurican.. he posed' to punch mr China man in his face...cuz we tuff ::)
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Why is that? Its a fact.
I don't know if it is since I haven't read all of the documents.
But the news made from the documents have been fairly "Israel-friendly".
That is true.
I don't think there is any conspiracy in that though.
But you are definitely factually right on that.
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definitely good! Information and control of it is extremely powerful. A few ppl can control millions by the editing and distortion of facts. The news is not legally bound to tell you the truth. The law considers news entertainment like the Simpson's. We are in this state because my dads generation believed everything the experts and media said. They did not look for the truth and so corporations and the government put them self's ahead of their bosses the public. Now the public are starting to get robbed so bad they can no longer support the economy so we all fall down together. They are going to use this as an excuse to let the the NWO take charge offishally. Right now all the leaders are going into meetings and coming out saying and doing the same things. meaning your vote no longer matters already.
I read in business school, ppl like to have input but don't know anything. So let them have input, then just go and do what you wanted in the first place.
Sound familiar? ;D