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Re: Wiki Leaks, Good or Bad?
« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2010, 03:11:00 PM »
Regardless of how we feel about the content of the leak, it's important to defend the publishing. Next time it may be a damning document about an Islamic dictatorship. And if we've killed Wikileaks and similar outlets there may be nobody to blow the whistle that time.

Freedom of speech - use it or lose it.
Can't believe some of you fellas actually calling for assassination of these journalists.





It's ironic how much I agree with you. The idea of killing this guy, just makes you guys seems like a bunch of corrupt figures from Iran. The guy may of done shit in the fuck up ways, but it's a two way street, for every guy killed because of this fucker, atleast one will be wrongly killed in the documents due to lack of transparency in the American command/government.

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Re: Wiki Leaks, Good or Bad?
« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2010, 05:30:16 PM »
WikiLeaks are true patriots in my opinion and should keep up the wonderful work.  Its rather sickening to read what exactly is going on.  A lot of "spy vs. spy" pointless nonsense and total government waste.

This whole things really shines light on how big of a mess the world and the United States really are.  Its like a giant game at the top meanwhile the lowly people and citizens just continue to suffer.


Its obvious way over any one man`s head and charge and is but a giant industry of subterfuge

If wiki leaks isn't some kind of intelligence diversion like some here have suggested, it seems like they might put our out of control government in check a little bit... Maybe not...
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Re: Wiki Leaks, Good or Bad?
« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2010, 05:42:58 PM »
Concerning these leaks, will the good outweigh the bad?

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 These leaks are absolutely great.

 They are a major step towards creating true transparancy and battling corruption.

 I realy don't see how people can think they are bad. But I guess these are the same people who battle for the rich in America to pay less taxes.

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Re: Wiki Leaks, Good or Bad?
« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2010, 05:47:37 PM »
Taxes should be lower for the wealthy, and the poor...

Guess that's not an easy thing to accomplish after those last two presidents traitors looted our nation...
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Re: Wiki Leaks, Good or Bad?
« Reply #29 on: November 29, 2010, 07:27:29 PM »
Taxes should be lower for the wealthy, and the poor...

Guess that's not an easy thing to accomplish after those last two presidents traitors looted our nation...
Saying tax should be lower for the wealthy is a fucking joke of course generally they need to be, but it's only out of necessity, it's this kind of bullshit that makes me wonder about some folks.

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Re: Wiki Leaks, Good or Bad?
« Reply #30 on: November 29, 2010, 08:02:25 PM »

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 Obama administration is weak in the face of WikiLeaks

By Marc A. Thiessen
Monday, November 29, 2010; 10:52 AM



Is the United States of America really powerless to stop a nomadic cyber-hacker - who sleeps on people's couches and changes his hair color to avoid surveillance - from causing enormous damage to our national security?

Apparently, in the age of Obama, we are.

Four months ago, the criminal enterprise WikiLeaks released more than 75,000 stolen classified documents that, among other things, revealed the identities of more than 100 Afghans who were cooperating with America against the Taliban. The Obama administration condemned WikiLeaks' actions. The Justice Department said it was weighing criminal charges against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange. The Pentagon warned that if WikiLeaks did not stand down and return other stolen documents it possessed, the government would "make them do the right thing."

And then nothing happened.


Last month, WikiLeaks struck again - this time posting more than 390,000 classified documents on the war in Iraq. Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, responded with a Twitter post: "Another irresponsible posting of stolen classified documents by WikiLeaks puts lives at risk and gives adversaries valuable information." Mullen was right - but, with all respect to the chairman, a tweet was not exactly the cyber-response the WikiLeaks disclosures warranted.

Now, WikiLeaks has struck a third time with what may prove to be its most damaging disclosures yet - a cache of more than 251,287 American diplomatic cables and directives, including more than 117,000 that are classified. According to the New York Times, which was given advance copies of the documents, many cables "name diplomats' confidential sources, from foreign legislators and military officers to human rights activists and journalists, often with a warning to Washington: 'Please protect' or 'Strictly protect.' " Other documents detail confidential conversations with foreign leaders, including Arab leaders urging the U.S. to attack Iran's nuclear facilities. Still others could hamper U.S. counterterrorism efforts - such as a cable in which Yemeni leaders say they lied to their own parliament by claiming that Yemeni forces, not Americans, had carried out missile attacks against al-Qaeda. If Yemen responds to this revelation by restricting U.S. efforts to hunt down al-Qaeda, the results could be devastating.

What action did the Obama administration take to prevent the impending release of such volatile information? State Department legal adviser Harold Koh sent a strongly worded letter urging WikiLeaks to cease publishing classified materials. I'm sure that made Assange think twice.

Is the Obama administration going to do anything - anything at all - to stop these serial disclosures of our nation's most closely guarded secrets? Just this past week, the federal government took decisive action to shut down more than 70 Web sites that were disseminating pirated music and movies. Hollywood is safe, but WikiLeaks is free to disseminate classified documents without consequence.

With this latest release, Assange may now have illegally disclosed more classified information than anyone in American history. He is in likely violation of the Espionage Act and arguably is providing material support for terrorism. But unlike leakers who came before him, Assange has done more than release information; he has created a virtual system for the ongoing collection and dissemination of America's secrets. The very existence of WikiLeaks is a threat to national security. Unless something is done, WikiLeaks will only grow more brazen - and our unwillingness to stop it will embolden others to reveal classified information using the unlawful medium Assange has built.

WikiLeaks' first disclosures caught the Obama administration by surprise. But how does the administration explain its inaction in the face of WikiLeaks' two subsequent, and increasingly dangerous, releases? In both cases, it had fair warning: Assange announced what kinds of documents he possessed, and he made clear his intention to release them.

The Obama administration has the ability to bring Assange to justice and to put WikiLeaks out of business. The new U.S. Cyber Command could shut down WilkiLeaks' servers and prevent them from releasing more classified information on President Obama's orders. But, as The Post reported this month, the Obama administration has been paralyzed by infighting over how, and when, it might use these new offensive capabilities in cyberspace. One objection: "The State Department is concerned about diplomatic backlash" from any offensive actions in cyberspace, The Post reported. Well, now the State Department can deal with the "diplomatic backlash" that comes from standing by helplessly, while WikiLeaks releases hundreds of thousands of its most sensitive diplomatic cables.

Because of its failure to act, responsibility for the damage done by these most recent disclosures now rests with the Obama administration. Perhaps this latest release crosses a line that will finally spur the administration to action. After all, the previous disclosures harmed only our war efforts. But this latest disclosure is a blow to a cause Democrats really care about - our diplomatic efforts. Maybe now, finally, the gloves will come off. Or is posting mournful tweets about the damage done to our national security the best this administration can do?

Marc Thiessen is a visiting fellow with the American Enterprise Institute and writes a weekly column for The Post.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/29/AR2010112902474_pf.html


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Re: Wiki Leaks, Good or Bad?
« Reply #31 on: November 29, 2010, 08:04:52 PM »
Lol 100 afghans is this suppose to mean something, these type of docs, will likely save 100+ of american and allied troops in the future, if the result is in greater transparency with the government.

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Re: Wiki Leaks, Good or Bad?
« Reply #32 on: November 29, 2010, 08:05:50 PM »
Taxes should be lower for the wealthy, and the poor...

Guess that's not an easy thing to accomplish after those last two presidents traitors looted our nation...

Why should taxes be lower for the poor? You don't think they should have to pay their fair share?

Most public money in existance is spent directly or indirectly on 'the poor'.

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Re: Wiki Leaks, Good or Bad?
« Reply #33 on: November 29, 2010, 08:07:31 PM »
Good As Fuck

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Re: Wiki Leaks, Good or Bad?
« Reply #34 on: November 29, 2010, 08:10:09 PM »
Why should taxes be lower for the poor? You don't think they should have to pay their fair share?

Most public money in existance is spent directly or indirectly on 'the poor'.
Lol because wealth shouldn't get concentrated in the hands of the rich, don't quote some economic theory. The rich make wealth off the backs of the poor, the system works don't make it right. In practice it's best to keep the rich lightly tax, to avoid capital flight and stagnation, but don't act like this is the way it should be, that's the talk of deluded fucks, that are far too out of touch with reality.

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Re: Wiki Leaks, Good or Bad?
« Reply #35 on: November 29, 2010, 08:14:08 PM »
Lol because wealth shouldn't get concentrated in the hands of the rich, don't quote some economic theory. The rich make wealth off the backs of the poor, the system works don't make it right. In practice it's best to keep the rich lightly tax, to avoid capital flight and stagnation, but don't act like this is the way it should be, that's the talk of deluded fucks, that are far too out of touch with reality.

Oh fuck that crap.

"The rich make money off the backs of the poor"... as if 'the rich' force them to spend all their money on cigaretts, medical marijuana and spinners.

If the poor man honestly doesn't want to be poor, he can get off his ass and become a rich man. Rewarding the poor man for being poor is rediculous. If you are going to tax the guy making $200K a year 45%, tax the one making 30K 45% too.

Make it fair for once.

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Re: Wiki Leaks, Good or Bad?
« Reply #36 on: November 29, 2010, 08:19:49 PM »
Oh fuck that crap.

"The rich make money off the backs of the poor"... as if 'the rich' force them to spend all their money on cigaretts, medical marijuana and spinners.

If the poor man honestly doesn't want to be poor, he can get off his ass and become a rich man. Rewarding the poor man for being poor is rediculous. If you are going to tax the guy making $200K a year 45%, tax the one making 30K 45% too.

Make it fair for once.
Lol everyone can't make 200k  a year, are you just speaking nonsense or something, if they did purchasing power would simply decrease and you would simply have a bunch of stressed out fucks fighting for an equal slice of the pie.

There are finite resources, you gotta be autistic to think that money just grows out of thin air. This kind of bullshit is so old it ain't fit.

Sure in theory one person can go from poor to rich, but in reality there will always be people at the bottom, you can't avoid this, there are finite resources believing the poor are different from you are me, just highlights your delusion, were all people, some get pushed to the bottom others stay on top it's how the system works, you can't suggest this is the way it should be.

This entrenched system of believing that the world is fair, is so delusional it ain't fit, it's tremendously unfair that the poor get fucked, problem is there's not alot of ways around it.

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Re: Wiki Leaks, Good or Bad?
« Reply #37 on: November 29, 2010, 08:24:06 PM »
Goddammit LIG, how many poor people do you see busting their ass vs how many do you see being complete welfare leeching fucktards?  There is a reason a typical poor person is poor, and there is a reason the rich are rich.

Rewarding poorness is stupid.

and you aren't arguing the point here anyways.

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Re: Wiki Leaks, Good or Bad?
« Reply #38 on: November 29, 2010, 08:33:23 PM »
Lol everyone can't make 200k  a year, are you just speaking nonsense or something, if they did purchasing power would simply decrease and you would simply have a bunch of stressed out fucks fighting for an equal slice of the pie.

There are finite resources, you gotta be autistic to think that money just grows out of thin air. This kind of bullshit is so old it ain't fit.

Sure in theory one person can go from poor to rich, but in reality there will always be people at the bottom, you can't avoid this, there are finite resources believing the poor are different from you are me, just highlights your delusion, were all people, some get pushed to the bottom others stay on top it's how the system works, you can't suggest this is the way it should be.

This entrenched system of believing that the world is fair, is so delusional it ain't fit, it's tremendously unfair that the poor get fucked, problem is there's not alot of ways around it.

You just owned yourself in your own post.

"In theory there will always be people at the bottom."

I understand that you want the government to hand you everything because you're an uneducated, "dyslexic" moron but it doesn't work that way, sunshine. Enjoy being a ditch digger.


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Re: Wiki Leaks, Good or Bad?
« Reply #39 on: November 29, 2010, 08:35:44 PM »
Goddammit LIG, how many poor people do you see busting their ass vs how many do you see being complete welfare leeching fucktards?  There is a reason a typical poor person is poor, and there is a reason the rich are rich.

Rewarding poorness is stupid.

and you aren't arguing the point here anyways.
What do you mean by poor, if you mean the welfare leeches say so, you didn't, so piss off. There's loads of mininum wage job people that are fucked don't pretend there aren't, grouping them with freeloaders is just your way of ignoring the obvious truth which is low taxes won't do shit. the lower half of the pop.

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Re: Wiki Leaks, Good or Bad?
« Reply #40 on: November 29, 2010, 08:37:32 PM »


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What do you mean by poor, if you mean the welfare leeches say so, you didn't, so piss off. There's loads of mininum wage job people that are fucked don't pretend there aren't, grouping them with freeloaders is just your way of ignoring the obvious truth which is low taxes won't do shit. the lower half of the pop.

Yes, and 'the man' is just out there, FORCING them to take these jobs instead of the high paying jobs they could have....

If you work for minimum wage, chances are you are minimum worth.

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Re: Wiki Leaks, Good or Bad?
« Reply #41 on: November 29, 2010, 08:38:15 PM »
You just owned yourself in your own post.

"In theory there will always be people at the bottom."

I understand that you want the government to hand you everything because you're an uneducated, "dyslexic" moron but it doesn't work that way, sunshine. Enjoy being a ditch digger.


Another post of reactionary bullshit from you, what a surprise. I don't want the gov to do shit for me, I don't need it. There's many that do so fuck off with trying to make complicated shit simple. I'm pretty conservative, but only by default, it's a shit system but there's nothing proven to be better at the moment.

Did daddy beat you too much or not enough or something you react to react to everything like your being pissed on or something.

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Re: Wiki Leaks, Good or Bad?
« Reply #42 on: November 29, 2010, 08:39:16 PM »
cia front . its bad

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Re: Wiki Leaks, Good or Bad?
« Reply #43 on: November 29, 2010, 08:39:23 PM »
Another post of reactionary bullshit from you, what a surprise. I don't want the gov to do shit for me, I don't need it. There's many that do so fuck off with trying to make complicated shit simple. I'm pretty conservative, but only by default, it's a shit system but there's nothing proven to be better at the moment.

Did daddy beat you too much or not enough or something you react to react to everything like your being pissed on or something.

You don't want the government to do shit for you? You wanted the government to pay your school loan when you decided that you just wouldn't bother.

You = benefit leech scumbag.

cia front . its bad

Provide hard evidence beyond an opinionated article.

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Re: Wiki Leaks, Good or Bad?
« Reply #44 on: November 29, 2010, 08:40:21 PM »


Yes, and 'the man' is just out there, FORCING them to take these jobs instead of the high paying jobs they could have....

If you work for minimum wage, chances are you are minimum worth.
Lol it's pretty much a fact that people will be at the bottom dude no matter how worthier they are, as long as someone else is 1 percent better, or just arbitrarly chosen for better shit.  

Your need to make things justified is sad.

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Re: Wiki Leaks, Good or Bad?
« Reply #45 on: November 29, 2010, 08:42:38 PM »
You don't want the government to do shit for you? You wanted the government to pay your school loan when you decided that you just wouldn't bother.

You = benefit leech scumbag.

Provide hard evidence beyond an opinionated article.
Lol my government didn't pay shit, I paid a late fee that paid any interest that would of been incured to my school while I paid it late, my folks footed the bill no loans issued. Your just proving my point which is you just react regardless of merit, you hop around like a one footed dog.

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Re: Wiki Leaks, Good or Bad?
« Reply #46 on: November 29, 2010, 08:44:01 PM »
Lol it's pretty much a fact that people will be at the bottom dude no matter how worthier they are, as long as someone else is 1 percent better, or just arbitrarly chosen for better shit.  

Your need to make things justified is sad.

You're the one trying to justify some reason why poor people shouldn't pay taxes.

If someone is "1 percent" inferior, why should they get special treatment?

Epic liberal bullshit.

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Re: Wiki Leaks, Good or Bad?
« Reply #47 on: November 29, 2010, 08:46:31 PM »
You're the one trying to justify some reason why poor people shouldn't pay taxes.

If someone is "1 percent" inferior, why should they get special treatment?

Epic liberal bullshit.
Because if someone is 1 percent inferior, they can end up with 10 percent of the wealth. This is the problem, your acting like every hour of hard work, translate to money, when in reality, it's only 1 percent over the average that results in anything at all, so as long as your of average or below average value you will get fucked. This system works because it keep people motivated working harder to avoid being shafted, it's a rat race and it's a flawed system.

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« Reply #48 on: November 29, 2010, 08:49:35 PM »
Because if someone is 1 percent inferior, they can end up with 10 percent of the wealth. This is the problem, your acting like every hour of hard work, translate to money, when in reality, it's only 1 percent over the average that results in anything at all, so as long as your of average or below average value you will get fucked. This system works because it keep people motivated working harder to avoid being shafted, it's a rat race and it's a flawed system.

Psycho-babble BS

Question: Why does this justify the poor paying less than the (1%) more successful?

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Re: Wiki Leaks, Good or Bad?
« Reply #49 on: November 29, 2010, 08:54:25 PM »
Psycho-babble BS

Question: Why does this justify the poor paying less than the (1%) more successful?
Physco babble bahaha, unless you got some valid theories on how humans work please don't talk of shit you know nothing about, this is the problem autistic retards flock to economics and pretend like somehow we stop being human because some theory tells us not too.

To the question: Because if two people are doing the same job, and one person is only producing 10 percent more output they shouldn't get a 300 percent share of the product. It makes no sense, it's unbalanced hence the concept of progressive taxes. This shit is pretty simple to understand, of course it's super fucking messy which is why I don't vote for the left, regardless though it's still relevant