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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Howard on December 03, 2010, 08:56:51 AM
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Just read a Yahoo news article on what the top female models make.
Gieselle B... ( sp?) was tops at 25-30 million a yr.
The lowest in the top 10 was 3 million.
Damn that is a shitload of cash for being bone rack skinny with a pretty face.
Ya know I love bodybuilding ,but when you see what models make vs what bodybuilders make ,it is depressing.
Mike O'hearn never got an IFBB pro card, but with his modeling, ad work and American Gladiators he made a hell of a lot of money.
Maybe Bob Chick and the NPC/IFBB is on to something with these new "model" type divisions ???
Where can I shop for the some snazzy boardshorts?
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Just read a Yahoo news article on what the top female models make.
Gieselle B... ( sp?) was tops at 25-30 million a yr.
The lowest in the top 10 was 3 million.
Damn that is a shitload of cash for being bone rack skinny with a pretty plain face.
Ya know I love bodybuilding ,but when you see what models make vs what bodybuilders make ,it is depressing.
Mike O'hearn never got an IFBB pro card, but with his modeling, ad work and American Gladiators he made a hell of a lot of money.
Maybe Bob Chick and the NPC/IFBB is on to something with these new "model" type divisions ???
Where can I shop for the some snazzy boardshorts?
fixed for reality
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yep. this woman 'earns' (i love how they always say 'earns' ::)) tens of millions of dollars a year. for what? FOR WHAT? 6 foot tall, no tits, no ass, no hips, no curves, generic face.
good ol' capitalism ::)
(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z96/pure-perfectionist/072910_makeup_gisele.jpg)
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she doesn't make her money by being skinny.
she makes her money by selling whatever piece of cloth she has on that day to whoever's willing to pay.
people who invest in their clothes to be worn by her make that money back many times over.
if you apply the same dynamics to pro bodybuilding....well, come on? the bodybuilders aren't selling clothing or even advertising time (a la pro sports). it's just a jerk off fest for gay dudes.
giselle - yay, king kamali in a thong - nay.
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Giselle Bundchen aint too shabby. Even without makeup she wouldn't need to twist my arm.
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Giselle Bundchen aint too shabby. Even without makeup she wouldn't need to twist my arm.
Howard prefers Dennis Wolf over Giselle.
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The haters are mad because this chick earns more in a month then they do in a lifetime.
Instead of talking a bunch of shit and crying like little bitches, why not go out and make millions. I mean, it's so easy this no talent, skinny, no tits broad can do it. ::)
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Just read a Yahoo news article on what the top female models make.
Gieselle B... ( sp?) was tops at 25-30 million a yr.
The lowest in the top 10 was 3 million.
Damn that is a shitload of cash for being bone rack skinny with a pretty face.
Ya know I love bodybuilding ,but when you see what models make vs what bodybuilders make ,it is depressing.
Mike O'hearn never got an IFBB pro card, but with his modeling, ad work and American Gladiators he made a hell of a lot of money.Maybe Bob Chick and the NPC/IFBB is on to something with these new "model" type divisions ???
Where can I shop for the some snazzy boardshorts?
Not sure what you sonsider "A lot of money" but Ohearn made peanuts on American Glad and fitness modeling makes peanuts compared to high fashion. And what "ads" are you referring to? Protein powder ??lol please
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Not sure what you sonsider "A lot of money" but Ohearn made peanuts on American Glad and fitness modeling makes peanuts compared to high fashion. And what "ads" are you referring to? Protein powder ??lol please
he didnt make that much money - seems like hes gettn hamstringd by tmobile ::)
http://www.mikeohearn.com/2010/10/former-gladiator-t-mobile-stole-my-face/ (http://www.mikeohearn.com/2010/10/former-gladiator-t-mobile-stole-my-face/)
O’Hearn (aka Titan on “AG”) claims in April 2010, he noticed his picture on the T-Mobile website as part of an ad, which pissed him off because he says he never agreed to the ad.
O’Hearn … who filed suit in L.A. County Superior Court … wants in excess of $500,000 in damages, any money T-Mobile made off the ad, and attorney’s fees.
Calls to T-Mobile were not returned.
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Not sure what you sonsider "A lot of money" but Ohearn made peanuts on American Glad and fitness modeling makes peanuts compared to high fashion. And what "ads" are you referring to? Protein powder ??lol please
Exactly. 99% of any ad any BB does falls under there contract and they do not get paid anything extra. They do not get an additional fee. Real models get a fee there agent sets. I had an old girlfriend who was a top model in the early 80's. She was Good Morning America and they asked her how she made and it was upwards of $10,000 a day and this was almost 30 years ago. Nowadays they are 6 figures easy. Real models make a hell of a lot of money when they become successful.
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Exactly. 99% of any ad any BB does falls under there contract and they do not get paid anything extra. They do not get an additional fee. Real models get a fee there agent sets. I had an old girlfriend who was a top model in the early 80's. She was Good Morning America and they asked her how she made and it was upwards of $10,000 a day and this was almost 30 years ago. Nowadays they are 6 figures easy. Real models make a hell of a lot of money when they become successful.
That's a handfull worldwide, you can count the real "topmodels" on 2 hands. 99 % of models are living on the breadline or working sidejobs.
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whatevr with this whole 'models make money' siht
giselle or whatevr WORKS FOR TOP COMPANIES
models that work for FORD or other top AGENCIES make the money based on contracts
I've seen strippers that 'make alot of money' - add up all the siht they have handed to them and it adds up
guy pays for rent, car, funiture, clothes, travel, weekly pedium, makeup, drugs, alcohol, food -- then they work one night a week and make $2000 to go by ;rims; or some gay shit for their girlfriend/boyfriend
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Here is her traffic stopping figure...feast your eyes boys...
(http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/bg/Gisele+and+Ben+at+the+beach+UvPocfSGRzIl.jpg)
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Exactly. 99% of any ad any BB does falls under there contract and they do not get paid anything extra. They do not get an additional fee. Real models get a fee there agent sets. I had an old girlfriend who was a top model in the early 80's. She was Good Morning America and they asked her how she made and it was upwards of $10,000 a day and this was almost 30 years ago. Nowadays they are 6 figures easy. Real models make a hell of a lot of money when they become successful.
You had a girlfriend who was top model in the early 80s? Holy shit Keith, you 4ever have my respect. I didn't know that. What was her name bro?
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You had a girlfriend who was top model in the early 80s? Holy shit Keith, you 4ever have my respect. I didn't know that. What was her name bro?
A few hints cause I am pretty sure she wouldn't want to see me right now. She took 2nd place in the Face of the 80's contest held by John Casablancas. At one time she was seeing designer Leon Maxx. I lost contact with her around 1984 or so. I can' find shit on her anywhere. I am sure she is married and goes by another name now. She was the "eyes' on the billboards titled Eyes by Merle Norman. She also has appeared on the cover of Brides magazine more than anyone (at least at that time back then). She had this really nice ad where she is walking through some kind of Egyptian corridor in this long dress like thing. Her initials were K.A. Okay go do some investigive work
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its liek the world is ass backwards
even in bodybuilding shitbags liekweider get all the ticket cash and give a ass wipes single 1000 $ bill to winner!
rule should be 95% of ticket sale goes to winner :)
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I'd hit her :)
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he didnt make that much money - seems like hes gettn hamstringd by tmobile ::)
http://www.mikeohearn.com/2010/10/former-gladiator-t-mobile-stole-my-face/ (http://www.mikeohearn.com/2010/10/former-gladiator-t-mobile-stole-my-face/)
O’Hearn (aka Titan on “AG”) claims in April 2010, he noticed his picture on the T-Mobile website as part of an ad, which pissed him off because he says he never agreed to the ad.
O’Hearn … who filed suit in L.A. County Superior Court … wants in excess of $500,000 in damages, any money T-Mobile made off the ad, and attorney’s fees.
Calls to T-Mobile were not returned.
Thongs Panties in a bunch much...
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Thongs Panties in a bunch much...
post was relevant as hell to what was being dicussed - Mike Oherns financial stauts
if your suing Tmobile over for HALF A MILLION dollarca cause your face was in an add its goes to show YOU HAVE SHIT MONEY
sorry mike - go back to american gladiators and give Turbo a rub down ;)
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I'll do her no questions asked, if my current supermodel wife allowed it..
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yep. this woman 'earns' (i love how they always say 'earns' ::)) tens of millions of dollars a year. for what? FOR WHAT? 6 foot tall, no tits, no ass, no hips, no curves, generic face.
good ol' capitalism ::)
(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z96/pure-perfectionist/072910_makeup_gisele.jpg)
god damn... salvator could fake himself a pussy and make 10 times the cash that whore does
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I don't Mike personally but I do know what his minimum monthly fee is for sponsorship from a company cause I was negoaiting with him at one time about being our spokesperson for the Golds Gym supplement line which I brought to Golds back in 1998 or so. At the time it was $5000 a month for both him and his wife Midyah(?). We declined. I do have a feeling that is what he was getting paid by most of his sponsors hwoever many he had or less. He figured since it was Gold's he could ask for more. He does appear in some shows and what have you but none of them are star-makers and the pay is NOT out of this world. In most cases I would say it was the SAG minimum he was making. Which I have no idea what it was at that time. I think when I was in SAG it $498 a day. If you signed on a weekly it came out to like $1800 or something like that
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I don't Mike personally but I do know what his minimum monthly fee is for sponsorship from a company cause I was negoaiting with him at one time about being our spokesperson for the Golds Gym supplement line which I brought to Golds back in 1998 or so. At the time it was $5000 a month for both him and his wife Midyah(?). We declined. I do have a feeling that is what he was getting paid by most of his sponsors hwoever many he had or less. He figured since it was Gold's he could ask for more. He does appear in some shows and what have you but none of them are star-makers and the pay is NOT out of this world. In most cases I would say it was the SAG minimum he was making. Which I have no idea what it was at that time. I think when I was in SAG it $498 a day. If you signed on a weekly it came out to like $1800 or something like that
Per Day:
$650
Per Week:
$2,300
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mike is proud of his lifelong natural status and will brag about it to anyone within earshot ::) ::) ::) ::)
(http://www.karllist.com/images/testimonials/mikeohearn.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2SN7til3Z2U/S0WFMqMARUI/AAAAAAAABsI/9OhO9WiecRk/s320/MikeO%27Hearn-RPS-Ardenti-293.jpg)
(http://www.fitnessconnection.net/images/mike_pose.jpg)
dishonest , plastic surgery addicted homo
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mike is proud of his lifelong natural status and will brag about it to anyone within earshot ::) ::) ::) ::)
(http://www.karllist.com/images/testimonials/mikeohearn.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2SN7til3Z2U/S0WFMqMARUI/AAAAAAAABsI/9OhO9WiecRk/s320/MikeO%27Hearn-RPS-Ardenti-293.jpg)
(http://www.fitnessconnection.net/images/mike_pose.jpg)
dishonest , plastic surgery addicted homo
Just another middle-aged drug-addict too lazy to ever get a "real" job.
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mike is proud of his lifelong natural status and will brag about it to anyone within earshot ::) ::) ::) ::)
(http://www.karllist.com/images/testimonials/mikeohearn.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2SN7til3Z2U/S0WFMqMARUI/AAAAAAAABsI/9OhO9WiecRk/s320/MikeO%27Hearn-RPS-Ardenti-293.jpg)
(http://www.fitnessconnection.net/images/mike_pose.jpg)
dishonest , plastic surgery addicted homo
Hair plugs as well..
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Per Day:
$650
Per Week:
$2,300
wow is that what it is now.
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The haters are mad because this chick earns more in a month then they do in a lifetime.
Instead of talking a bunch of shit and crying like little bitches, why not go out and make millions. I mean, it's so easy this no talent, skinny, no tits broad can do it. ::)
yes, i am mad that she will make (make, not 'earn') far more than i ever will, because she is, does, or contributes NOTHING to ANYTHING.
in reality, no matter how 'hard i worked', or what job i was able to get through sheer effort, i still would not get as much money as this woman.
you make it seem like shes 'worked real hard' and 'deserves' that disgusting amounts of money she gets paid.
why?
the only people who deserve the kind of money she gets are those that fill a role in which they are virtually irreplaceable, where there is only a handful- or no one else-who can do what they do (such as kobe bryant's role for the lakers, top-level scientists/physicists, etc..) or people who have contributed enormously to the benefit of society/the world.
this bitch would not even stand out at the beach or any mall or college in the US...yet she fills the role of 'worlds top supermodel' for some reason, a role in which she is COMPLETELY REPLACEABLE, one could find literally a Million women who are better looking than her to do the same exact job she does, for 1/50th of what she gets paid.
so no she does not deserve or 'earn' that amount of money, and anyone defending her pay or the RIDICULOUS, disgusting system which supports such an absurd distribution of resources is a fucking idiot.
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yes, i am mad that she will make (make, not 'earn') far more than i ever will, because she is, does, or contributes NOTHING to ANYTHING.
in reality, no matter how 'hard i worked', or what job i was able to get through sheer effort, i still would not get as much money as this woman.
you make it seem like shes 'worked real hard' and 'deserves' that disgusting amounts of money she gets paid.
why?
the only people who deserve the kind of money she gets are those that fill a role in which they are virtually irreplaceable, where there is only a handful- or no one else-who can do what they do (such as kobe bryant's role for the lakers, top-level scientists/physicists, etc..) or people who have contributed enormously to the benefit of society/the world.
this bitch would not even stand out at the beach or any mall or college in the US...yet she fills the role of 'worlds top supermodel' for some reason, a role in which she is COMPLETELY REPLACEABLE, one could find literally a Million women who are better looking than her to do the same exact job she does, for 1/50th of what she gets paid.
so no she does not deserve or 'earn' that amount of money, and anyone defending her pay or the RIDICULOUS, disgusting system which supports such an absurd distribution of resources is a fucking idiot.
She has a skill that allows her to make millions and you don't. Get over it, or go make your own fortune. No one is forcing anyone to pay her the money that she makes. Clearly, the fashionhouses who pay her to model their clothing realize a sizable roi, or they wouldn't pay her to do it.
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She has a skill that allows her to make millions and you don't. Get over it, or go make your own fortune. No one is forcing anyone to pay her the money that she makes. Clearly, the fashionhouses who pay her to model their clothing realize a sizable roi, or they wouldn't pay her to do it.
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whatever. other than 'being in the right place at the right time' and 'getting extremely lucky', please tell me exactly what separates her from 100,000 other women who are at least as good looking, and what about her that is irreplaceable and could not be done by the scores of said women?
what is her particular 'skill' is that justifies her 'earning' 25 million dollars a year?
what is this 'skill' you speak of?
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whatever. other than 'being in the right place at the right time' and 'getting extremely lucky', please tell me exactly what separates her from 100,000 other women who are at least as good looking, and what about her that is irreplaceable and could not be done by the scores of said women?
what is her particular 'skill' is that justifies her 'earning' 25 million dollars a year?
what is this 'skill' you speak of?
So you're saying that all the fashion brands who are paying her millions to endorse their products are hiring her for the hell of it? They don't have educated marketing teams who are seeing a big roi? Again, no one is being forced to allow her to earn 25 million per year...pretty sure she's good at what she does. You don't make 25 million per year, year after year, because you are lucky -- (unless you hit the lottery).
What's her skill? She's clearly the top fashion model in the world. I have no fucking clue what separates her from other fashion models. I'm not an expert on models. Like any other person who is at the top of their field, she's simply better than everyone else at all the things these fashion houses look for, or she would not be able to command the type of money that she earns.
Explain to me how she was in the right place at the right time? The chicks been earning MILLIONS forever. It's not like she just started making coin. If she was "lucky" that well would have dried up long ago.
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god damn... salvator could fake himself a pussy and make 10 times the cash that whore does
don't give me ideas
what's sad is I would get more work as a female model than a aspiring male fitness model I think
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So you're saying that all the fashion brands who are paying her millions to endorse their products are hiring her for the hell of it? They don't have educated marketing teams who are seeing a big roi? Again, no one is being forced to allow her to earn 25 million per year...pretty sure she's good at what she does. You don't make 25 million per year, year after year, because you are lucky -- (unless you hit the lottery).
What's her skill? She's clearly the top fashion model in the world. I have no fucking clue what separates her from other fashion models. I'm not an expert on models. Like any other person who is at the top of their field, she's simply better than everyone else at all the things these fashion houses look for, or she would not be able to command the type of money that she earns.
Explain to me how she was in the right place at the right time? The chicks been earning MILLIONS forever. It's not like she just started making coin. If she was "lucky" that well would have dried up long ago.
ROFL are you serious?? if these companies replaced her overnight with some new 'face' absolutely nothing would change.
"but...shes better at being a model than anyone!! she has mad skills!!! she had to work real hard and pay her dues and pass lots of tests to get her looks!!!! she deserves to make 30m a year because shes so talented that she clearly beats every else at modeling skills!!"
hahahaha oh brother give me a break. whats next "oh prince wiliam, he has millions because he is a skilled prince!!! he has skills!!!" ahhahhhahahahah
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ROFL are you serious?? if these companies replaced her overnight with some new 'face' absolutely nothing would change.
"but...shes better at being a model than anyone!! she has mad skills!!! she had to work real hard and pay her dues and pass lots of tests to get her looks!!!! she deserves to make 30m a year because shes so talented that she clearly beats every else at modeling skills!!"
hahahaha oh brother give me a break. whats next "oh prince wiliam, he has millions because he is a skilled prince!!! he has skills!!!" ahhahhhahahahah
So why don't they? They have a million choices, all would be much cheaper.
These billion dollar fashion brands must have idiots running them ::)
Gisele didn't come from a royal family and she earns her money. Could your example be any worse?
Don't take what I'm saying as a dig on you, dude. I'm just saying.
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So why don't they? They have a million choices, all would be much cheaper.
These billion dollar fashion brands must have idiots running them ::)
Gisele didn't come from a royal family and she earns her money. Could your example be any worse?
Matrix doesn't understand free market capitalism. Either that, or simply doesn't like it and resents it.
Johnny Carson was once asked why he was worth getting paid X millions of dollars. He simply replied, "Because I can get it."
Nobody is forced to pay anybody any set amount (minimum wage excepted). They do so because they think they can make much more in return. Maybe they're right maybe they're wrong but it's their money and they can invest or waste it any way they want. You want to pass a law forcing employers to pay Giselle, or anybody else that you've unilaterally determined is not worth the amount, to pay less?
You may think what you do in your job is more valuable or worth more than what a top model does. Too bad nobody else does.
What's Giselle's skill set? She can get someone to pay her 25-30 mil a year.
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She has a skill that allows her to make millions and you don't. Get over it, or go make your own fortune. No one is forcing anyone to pay her the money that she makes. Clearly, the fashionhouses who pay her to model their clothing realize a sizable roi, or they wouldn't pay her to do it.
EXACTLY! She is no diff than a pro athlete or entertainer who has a God given skill set. Nothing wrong with that.
She is worth what people are willing to pay.
Price = demand.
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The recent Gladiators made less per person than the original Gladiators did 20 years ago. Pretty sad.
What a horrible fucking show. That shit should've been gold, but the gay-ass producers blew it.
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The recent Gladiators made less per person than the original Gladiators did 20 years ago. Pretty sad.
What a horrible fucking show. That shit should've been gold, but the gay-ass producers blew it.
i didtn watch the new one
but i noticed it wasnt around long.........what was the problem with it
cause i loved the old one......
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Matrix doesn't understand free market capitalism. Either that, or simply doesn't like it and resents it.
Johnny Carson was once asked why he was worth getting paid X millions of dollars. He simply replied, "Because I can get it."
Nobody is forced to pay anybody any set amount (minimum wage excepted). They do so because they think they can make much more in return. Maybe they're right maybe they're wrong but it's their money and they can invest or waste it any way they want. You want to pass a law forcing employers to pay Giselle, or anybody else that you've unilaterally determined is not worth the amount, to pay less?
You may think what you do in your job is more valuable or worth more than what a top model does. Too bad nobody else does.
What's Giselle's skill set? She can get someone to pay her 25-30 mil a year.
It's really that simple. Matrix is free to come to America and exploit this fact. Fuck, I wish I could get (x company) to pay me a million bucks to wear their shit.
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EXACTLY! She is no diff than a pro athlete or entertainer who has a God given skill set. Nothing wrong with that.
She is worth what people are willing to pay.
Price = demand.
Right. Not to mention, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and clearly a lot of fucking people find her attractive/cool, or she wouldn't be able to earn the type of money that she is being paid. If Gisele came from a royal family, and she never worked a day in her life, I could see why one would cheapen her achievements..but the fact of the matter is this: as pellius said, Giselle is able to persuade companies to pay millions for her services, and trust me, they ain't looking to overspend on anything. It's business/marketing 101. They are all making far more money than they invest in her. If they weren't, they wouldn't do it. Unless of course you believe there are a bunch of idiots running billion dollar companies, which is even more ignorant, imo.
I'm not saying companies don't make endorsement mistakes, but I think after 10 years off successful modeling, investing in this broad is a pretty safe bet.
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So you're saying that all the fashion brands who are paying her millions to endorse their products are hiring her for the hell of it? They don't have educated marketing teams who are seeing a big roi? Again, no one is being forced to allow her to earn 25 million per year...pretty sure she's good at what she does. You don't make 25 million per year, year after year, because you are lucky -- (unless you hit the lottery).
What's her skill? She's clearly the top fashion model in the world. I have no fucking clue what separates her from other fashion models. I'm not an expert on models. Like any other person who is at the top of their field, she's simply better than everyone else at all the things these fashion houses look for, or she would not be able to command the type of money that she earns.
Explain to me how she was in the right place at the right time? The chicks been earning MILLIONS forever. It's not like she just started making coin. If she was "lucky" that well would have dried up long ago.
The fahsion brands, fashion houses, the fashion industry is run by women and gay men (with a few straight men mixed in), who want to "debeautify" women, women men are in control and or dictate what's going in terms of beauty, it is what men like or what is attractive to men, sexually....women and gays don't like that. They cannot stand a woman who has a prettier face, bettrer butt, boobs, hips, or curvy figure, thus the whole industry is in collusion, each hand washing the other. The Modeling companies present the "clothes hangers" for the clothes to be worn, the fashion houses present the clothes...Why is it that a woman must be at least 5'8-9 and 115-120 pounds, and have a B cup or smaller? Why is it that they must have a androgynous face? One reason is to not take away from the clothes, which are "prototypes"....but at the same time these women are hailed for being gorgeous...
And then the fashion magazines present this package to the straight male public...pushing this as the woman one should have over the "real hot chicks"....and this is the woman that a "normal" woman should try and emulate....WHen in fact, if the "natural order" was kept in place, this would not be so.
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ROFL are you serious?? if these companies replaced her overnight with some new 'face' absolutely nothing would change.
"but...shes better at being a model than anyone!! she has mad skills!!! she had to work real hard and pay her dues and pass lots of tests to get her looks!!!! she deserves to make 30m a year because shes so talented that she clearly beats every else at modeling skills!!"
hahahaha oh brother give me a break. whats next "oh prince wiliam, he has millions because he is a skilled prince!!! he has skills!!!" ahhahhhahahahah
You have to excuse "body88," he defends anything and anybody associated with Tom Brady.
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mike is proud of his lifelong natural status and will brag about it to anyone within earshot ::) ::) ::) ::)
(http://www.karllist.com/images/testimonials/mikeohearn.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2SN7til3Z2U/S0WFMqMARUI/AAAAAAAABsI/9OhO9WiecRk/s320/MikeO%27Hearn-RPS-Ardenti-293.jpg)
(http://www.fitnessconnection.net/images/mike_pose.jpg)
dishonest , plastic surgery addicted homo
Wife didn't look bad
(http://www.thewrestlingoutlaws.com/wow/images/gallery55/001.jpg)
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You have to excuse "body88," he defends anything and anybody associated with Tom Brady.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mmBw3uzPnJI/S_5H2dNsZ8I/AAAAAAABSis/v-tHDrM9J60/s400/Haters_Gonna_Hate_10.jpg)
My bullshit is well documented. I always have something to say when mindless hating is going on.
Feel free to tell me why I'm insane to feel that saying the worlds top supermodel has no talent and it lucky. I guess everyone who does well is lucky!
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you guys still havent said what her 'skills' are.
you make it seem like shes some kind of genius who swindles these companies out of millions.
truth is, they chose her to fill a role (be the face of their brands). they just as easily could have chosen 10,000 other women to do the same exact job. her choosing was purely being in the right place at the right time, not because she has some 'ireeplaceable skills' that the others didnt ::)
modeling by its very nature is devoid of anything requiring practice, talent or skills. you dont determine how your face is going to look or how your fucking body is going to grow.
she might make (make, not 'earn') 30m a year, but its because she was the lucky one picked to have her pictures taken. her looks and her selection were the luck equivalent of winning the lottery, no different in any regard.
if they chose to replace her tomorrow with some new whore they discovered in a coffee shop, and started paying this new girl millions a year, would you guys be claiming the new girl 'earned' and 'deserves' 30m a year too, because her salary somehow means she has some unreplaceable 'skills'?
hahaha you make me laugh.
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Wife didn't look bad
(http://www.thewrestlingoutlaws.com/wow/images/gallery55/001.jpg)
thats hot bitch alright, better then my shitty girlfreind
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yep. this woman 'earns' (i love how they always say 'earns' ::)) tens of millions of dollars a year. for what? FOR WHAT? 6 foot tall, no tits, no ass, no hips, no curves, generic face.
good ol' capitalism ::)
(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z96/pure-perfectionist/072910_makeup_gisele.jpg)
i agree but seeing these models in the flesh, really makes you realise how striking they are. not that, that justifies the fucking obscene amount of money they make.
you know society has got it's priorities wrong when women like this earn unbelievable amounts of money, and people who really matter, nurses, firemen, coppers and the like, get paid shit
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you guys still havent said what her 'skills' are.
you make it seem like shes some kind of genius who swindles these companies out of millions.
truth is, they chose her to fill a role (be the face of their brands). they just as easily could have chosen 10,000 other women to do the same exact job. her choosing was purely being in the right place at the right time, not because she has some 'ireeplaceable skills' that the others didnt ::)
modeling by its very nature is devoid of anything requiring practice, talent or skills. you dont determine how your face is going to look or how your fucking body is going to grow.
she might make (make, not 'earn') 30m a year, but its because she was the lucky one picked to have her pictures taken. her looks and her selection were the luck equivalent of winning the lottery, no different in any regard.
if they chose to replace her tomorrow with some new whore they discovered in a coffee shop, and started paying this new girl millions a year, would you guys be claiming the new girl 'earned' and 'deserves' 30m a year too, because her salary somehow means she has some unreplaceable 'skills'?
hahaha you make me laugh.
This post is litered with redundant propaganda that has been debunked and explained to you ad nauseum.
One mistake you are making, is assuming that fashion companies can find "a new whore in a coffee shop" and make them a successful endorser for their brand. These companies choose to pay Giselle big money because she makes them many times their investment in profit, because their target consumers want to live the lifestyle and reflect the image/look Giselle provides. I can't give you a tangible reason why Giselle can increase a companies sales. Fact is, she can, though.
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you know society has got it's priorities wrong when women like this earn unbelievable amounts of money, and people who really matter, nurses, firemen, coppers and the like, get paid shit
thats basically what im saying bradistani.
it makes me sick to hear these guys like body88 saying that she 'deserves' and 'earns' that kind of pay ::)
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This post is litered with redundant propaganda that has been debunked and explained to you ad nauseum.
One mistake you are making, is assuming that fashion companies can find "a new whore in a coffee shop" and make them a successful endorser for their brand. These companies choose to pay Giselle big money because she makes them many times their investment in profit, because their target consumers want to live the lifestyle and reflect the image/look Giselle provides. I can't give you a tangible reason why Giselle can increase a companies sales. Fact is, she can, though.
your entire preconception is wrong. giesele is not some holy grail making them money...THEY MADE HER. they could have put ANY of thousands of girls in her role instead of her and the result would have been the same for them.
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you guys still havent said what her 'skills' are.
you make it seem like shes some kind of genius who swindles these companies out of millions.
truth is, they chose her to fill a role (be the face of their brands). they just as easily could have chosen 10,000 other women to do the same exact job. her choosing was purely being in the right place at the right time, not because she has some 'ireeplaceable skills' that the others didnt ::)
modeling by its very nature is devoid of anything requiring practice, talent or skills. you dont determine how your face is going to look or how your fucking body is going to grow.
she might make (make, not 'earn') 30m a year, but its because she was the lucky one picked to have her pictures taken. her looks and her selection were the luck equivalent of winning the lottery, no different in any regard.
if they chose to replace her tomorrow with some new whore they discovered in a coffee shop, and started paying this new girl millions a year, would you guys be claiming the new girl 'earned' and 'deserves' 30m a year too, because her salary somehow means she has some unreplaceable 'skills'?
hahaha you make me laugh.
It really doesn't matter what her skills are. What matters is that someone is willing to pay her big money to dress up. And, yes, there is a certain amount of luck involved. If she died tomorrow they will find someone else. Of course, they will find someone else eventually because she'll grow old or maybe the ones writing the check have decided it's time for a new look. And then you'll complain about the next one.
What you resent, my friend, is the inherent unfairness of life. I understand. But there's nothing you can do about it. Tiger Woods was already a champ at 19 years old. Do you think he got to be the top golfer simply because he worked and trained harder? How could he when he simply hadn't lived long enough to put in the time and effort that his opponents, already in their 30s, did. He was born with a talent that you and I weren't.
So much of a person's life is determined on their day of birth. Do you thing you'd have the same opportunities if you were born in Dafur or North Korea? If you were born a Kennedy or Rockefeller instead of Mr. Matrix. All Paris Hilton had to do to be rich and famous is to be born a Hilton. Something that she did nothing to earn or deserve. Look at the top entertainers in music and film. Are they all in their position simply because they are the most talented, hardest workers and most deserving?
Such is life.
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your entire preconception is wrong. giesele is not some holy grail making them money...THEY MADE HER. they could have put ANY of thousands of girls in her role instead of her and the result would have been the same for them.
It's not though, because "they" didn't make anything. Who is "they"? No one made Giselle. No one had to hire her to endorse their shit. None of these brands decided that Giselle was going to be their "it" model. Unless of course you think these brands are not out to make a profit through their endorsements.
You can put a bunch of money behind a model, and that doesn't mean that people will respond to her with their wallets. of course Giselle makes them money, why in the world would they pay her millions of dollars if she didn't? They have a business to run, and marketing drives sales.
You are the head of marketing for (insert high fashion brand). You have a 50 million dollar budget to spend on various types of marketing vehicles. You can easily pick a random hot model to endorse your brand and market the shit out of her to the masses. Why is it that time and time again fashion companies invest large chunks of their marketing budgets into Giselle when she costs 1,000,000 times more than "some whore in a coffee shop"? If your model does not resonate with your consumers, your whole marketing program is shot.
Why do it?
They do it because she sells the shit out of their products. Women respond to her and they think she is cool and they like her image.
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your entire preconception is wrong. giesele is not some holy grail making them money...THEY MADE HER. they could have put ANY of thousands of girls in her role instead of her and the result would have been the same for them.
Maybe so. But they chose her. Who would you choose and why would your choice be any better other than what you prefer is the idea model to represent you? The fact is, it won't be. But it doesn't matter as long as you write the checks.
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It really doesn't matter what her skills are. What matters is that someone is willing to pay her big money to dress up. And, yes, there is a certain amount of luck involved. If she died tomorrow they will find someone else. Of course, they will find someone else eventually because she'll grow old or maybe the ones writing the check have decided it's time for a new look. And then you'll complain about the next one.
true pellius.. its not her personally im 'hating', its the role and the absurd money it brings i find wrong.
What you resent, my friend, is the inherent unfairness of life. I understand. But there's nothing you can do about it. Tiger Woods was already a champ at 19 years old. Do you think he got to be the top golfer simply because he worked and trained harder? How could he when he simply hadn't lived long enough to put in the time and effort that his opponents, already in their 30s, did. He was born with a talent that you and I weren't.
exactly what im saying, she is there due to Luck, not because of Skill. however not comaprable to pro athletes in any way...Kobe may have been lucky to be 6-7 and athletic, but he (and other top athletes) had to develop enormous amounts of skill through endless practice to get where they are. and because of that, no one else can do what they do, therefore their high pay is warrented because they are irreplaceable. who else is going to do for the lakers what Kobe does for them? maybe 1-2 people in the world. so the pay is therefore enormous. what does gisele do that 100,000 other women couldnt do? nothing. what special skills has she had to develop over the years? nothing. she is completely replaceable. therefore her enormous pay is NOT justified.
So much of a person's life is determined on their day of birth. Do you thing you'd have the same opportunities if you were born in Dafur or North Korea? If you were born a Kennedy or Rockefeller instead of Mr. Matrix. All Paris Hilton had to do to be rich and famous is to be born a Hilton. Something that she did nothing to earn or deserve. Look at the top entertainers in music and film. Are they all in their position simply because they are the most talented, hardest workers and most deserving?
Such is life.
such is capitalism/modern day america...not 'life'.
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thats basically what im saying bradistani.
it makes me sick to hear these guys like body88 saying that she 'deserves' and 'earns' that kind of pay ::)
It's simply economics. The law of supply and demand. One may make a very good argument that a teacher, police officer, fire fighter is more valuable to society than, say, a baseball pitcher. But the fact is, very few people can throw a baseball accurately a 95 mph. There's a ton of people that become a good cop, teacher and even a doctor but not many can work the court like Lebron James or Kobe.
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It's simply economics. The law of supply and demand. One may make a very good argument that a teacher, police officer, fire fighter is more valuable to society than, say, a baseball pitcher. But the fact is, very few people can throw a baseball accurately a 95 mph. There's a ton of people that become a good cop, teacher and even a doctor but not many can work the court like Lebron James or Kobe.
exactly. thats why THEIR high pay is justified...they are un replaceable.
gisele however...is completely replaceable. so her enormous pay is not justified.
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exactly. thats why THEIR high pay is justified...they are un replaceable.
gisele however...is completely replaceable. so her enormous pay is not justified.
It is justified for the same reason the pro athletes pay is justified. The endorser, player, whatever, is entitled to a cut of the revenue that they produce.
Matrix, lets say I owned a supplement company, and I hired you to be my spokesperson. Your endorsement increases my sales by 10% and I realize an additional 10 million dollars in revenue. I choose to pay you 10% of that figure and you receive 1,000,000 for your services. Is that fair?
Baseball players and football players are replacable. Every year their is a draft where hundreds of new players enter professional sports. The cycle has been going for decades.
The fact of the matter is this...what Giselle does is not easily done, or there would be no Giselle.
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Say, I want you to wash my car. And lets say that I just happen to like you and offer you $10,000 to do it. Would you take the money or say, "No, that's absurd. Anybody can wash a car. I won't take such an amount." Better yet, say some third party do gooder tells me that I am paying too much. That I'm allowing myself to be taken advantage of. I explain that maybe that's so and I can get a much better deal but since it's my money who should decide how I should spend it. Again, you bemoan the unfairness of life and it's one of the things that infuriates me as well but what are you going to do about it? Play God? Do we let a third party now decide how much they think you should pay someone. You may think Kobe has a talent that merits his income. There's obviously someone who think Giselle's look is such that it merits her income. I think it's nuts but it's not my money. And it's not for me to tell others how they should spend theirs.
And it is life. And not just in America. Even in poor countries there are rich people, people of privilege, that did very little or nothing to "deserve" their good fortune. You think Kim Jun Un deserves to be the next ruler of North Korea because he's the most deserving and qualified? Nope, he just happened to be the son of Kim Jun Il. And so while the rest of his country lives in unimaginable poverty he was set on the day he was born.
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thats basically what im saying bradistani.
it makes me sick to hear these guys like body88 saying that she 'deserves' and 'earns' that kind of pay ::)
just read through the thread,.
people are claiming she's got a skill, lol ::)
she has a 'look' as they say in the fashion industry. a look that normal women wish they had but are to stupid to realise that this 'look' is foisted upon them by the fashion industry as desirable.
and yet, any internet forum with a 'babes thread' would show these silly bitches what us men really find attractive in women. and it's not these scrawny cows.
i agree entirely with your argument. but, if she can earn that sort of money, then good luck to her. wouldn't we all in her position ???
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exactly. thats why THEIR high pay is justified...they are un replaceable.
gisele however...is completely replaceable. so her enormous pay is not justified.
Friend, you keep making the same argument. EVERYONE is replaceable. It's just her time in the sun. Just like our revered athletes and entertainers. You may not think her pay is justified but you're not the one paying it. Do you think you have the right to tell her employer how much they should pay her? Remember that rapper someone mentioned here that paid a million dollars for a watch? I think that's insane, a waste and almost immoral when you consider the real good the money could have been used for. But it's his money. In a free country do you want to empower a third party to unilaterally confiscate this person's wealth because they have determined that he does not spend it in a manner that they approve of?
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just read through the thread,.
people are claiming she's got a skill, lol ::)
she has a 'look' as they say in the fashion industry. a look that normal women wish they had but are to stupid to realise that this 'look' is foisted upon them by the fashion industry as desirable.
and yet, any internet forum with a 'babes thread' would show these silly bitches what us men really find attractive in women. and it's not these scrawny cows.
i agree entirely with your argument. but, if she can earn that sort of money, then good luck to her. wouldn't we all in her position ???
You're letting your own personal idea of beauty cloud your opinion.
Giselle has a skill. It's the ability to resonate with women and sell products. The type of money she commands as a model, is based upon the type of money she can generate for a company. Not just anyone can do that.
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just read through the thread,.
people are claiming she's got a skill, lol ::)
she has a 'look' as they say in the fashion industry. a look that normal women wish they had but are to stupid to realise that this 'look' is foisted upon them by the fashion industry as desirable.
and yet, any internet forum with a 'babes thread' would show these silly bitches what us men really find attractive in women. and it's not these scrawny cows.
i agree entirely with your argument. but, if she can earn that sort of money, then good luck to her. wouldn't we all in her position ???
I agree with this post.
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"im the hottest woman in the world!! my modeling skills cannot be matched!! ive worked my whole life developing my superhuman talents!!! i deserve 100million dollars a yea, no other woman on earth can do what i do!!!" ::)
(http://www.oceleb.com/img/gisele-bundchen/gisele-bundchen-1.jpg)
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Friend, you keep making the same argument. EVERYONE is replaceable. It's just her time in the sun. Just like our revered athletes and entertainers. You may not think her pay is justified but you're not the one paying it. Do you think you have the right to tell her employer how much they should pay her? Remember that rapper someone mentioned here that paid a million dollars for a watch? I think that's insane, a waste and almost immoral when you consider the real good the money could have been used for. But it's his money. In a free country do you want to empower a third party to unilaterally confiscate this person's wealth because they have determined that he does not spend it in a manner that they approve of?
Pellius, let me ask you a question.
If Giselle can generate 20 million dollars in sales, does she deserve the 10% cut she is taking for that skill?
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"im the hottest woman in the world!! my modeling skills cannot be matched!! ive worked my whole life developing my superhuman talents!!! i deserve 100million dollars a yea, no other woman on earth can do what i do!!!" ::)
(http://www.oceleb.com/img/gisele-bundchen/gisele-bundchen-1.jpg)
Matrix, if she generated 1 billion in sales for the companies she has endorsed over her career, does she deserve the 100,000,000?
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You're letting your own personal idea of beauty cloud your opinion.
Giselle has a skill. It's the ability to resonate with women and sell products. The type of money she commands as a model, is based upon the type of money she can generate for a company. Not just anyone can do that.
oh come on man ::)
she has zero fucking skill. she's just fortunate enough to be born during a time where being tall and skinny pays for a woman.
she's a fucking clothes horse, that's all
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oh come on man ::)
she has zero fucking skill. she's just fortunate enough to be born during a time where being tall and skinny pays for a woman.
she's a fucking clothes horse, that's all
he's delusional as fuck. he probably thinks paris hilton 'earned' all her money too haha
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oh come on man ::)
she has zero fucking skill. she's just fortunate enough to be born during a time where being tall and skinny pays for a woman.
she's a fucking clothes horse, that's all
There are MILLIONS of tall and skinny women. Why is Giselle making more than the other 999,999 zero skill clothes horses?
Since this is getting redundant I'll say it one last time, and we'll agree to disagree. Giselle makes big money because she is able to make big money for companies through her endorsements.
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yep. this woman 'earns' (i love how they always say 'earns' ::)) tens of millions of dollars a year. for what? FOR WHAT? 6 foot tall, no tits, no ass, no hips, no curves, generic face.
good ol' capitalism ::)
(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z96/pure-perfectionist/072910_makeup_gisele.jpg)
Call it what you will, she still looks very pretty with or without makeup plus from a still shot you can rarely tell, if you see them in person then you can judge but not by a random picture.
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Matrix is right. Giselle's skills are so trivial as to be depressingly commonplace.
Body88 is confusing who, exactly, has the skill here. THE CORPORATIONS HAVE THE SKILL. Giselle has become as irreplaceable as any top pitcher, doctor, scientist, etc. but not by her own skill, but by the cunning and craftiness of the companies she works for.
They chose her, who the hell knows why, right place right time, undoubtedly. Then they paid her shitloads of cash FOR THE EXACT REASON THAT SHE WOULD APPEAR INVALUABLE. She is not giving them a "return on investment" LMAO!!! The headline "GISELLE BUNDCHEN PAID 25 MILLION A YEAR" is giving them their precious ROI... THE HEADLINE.
Matrix is right -- fashion is an industry inherently devoid of skill, use-value, etc. It is a world of sign-value -- of appearances. Giselle has no skill of her own, could be any one of a hundred-thousand similar girls, but she won the lottery and then the fashion companies went hard to work using THEIR skills to TRICK everyone into thinking that she was so great, so that, in return, the could continue to fool people into thinking the clothes she wears are great.
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he's delusional as fuck. he probably thinks paris hilton 'earned' all her money too haha
Thats another terrible example, as Paris Hilton is a wealthy socialite who was exposed to all the correct people via her family's profile.
Giselle was a random model from Brazil who made it big. I've given you numerous tangible examples of why the money she is making is deserved, just like the money pro athletes make is also deserved (when you consider how much money they make for the leagues they play in).
Instead of insulting me, why don't you respond to some of my recent posts. Not sure why you are acting as if I am attacking you because I disagree with your opinion. You tipped your hand in this post.
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Just to prove my point: they could take any vaguely modelly looking girl TONIGHT and make a headline "NEW GIRL MAKES 50 MILLION ON FIRST CONTRACT" and INSTANTLY people would give her the same sort of clout giselle has. Obviously they don't do this because it would upset too many people and is even more costly than is necessary.
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Matrix is right. Giselle's skills are so trivial as to be depressingly commonplace.
Body88 is confusing who, exactly, has the skill here. THE CORPORATIONS HAVE THE SKILL. Giselle has become as irreplaceable as any top pitcher, doctor, scientist, etc. but not by her own skill, but by the cunning and craftiness of the companies she works for.
They chose her, who the hell knows why, right place right time, undoubtedly. Then they paid her shitloads of cash FOR THE EXACT REASON THAT SHE WOULD APPEAR INVALUABLE. She is not giving them a "return on investment" LMAO!!! The headline "GISELLE BUNDCHEN PAID 25 MILLION A YEAR" is giving them their precious ROI... THE HEADLINE.
Matrix is right -- fashion is an industry inherently devoid of skill, use-value, etc. It is a world of sign-value -- of appearances. Giselle has no skill of her own, could be any one of a hundred-thousand similar girls, but she won the lottery and then the fashion companies went hard to work using THEIR skills to TRICK everyone into thinking that she was so great, so that, in return, the could continue to fool people into thinking the clothes she wears are great.
thank you. this is exactly what im trying to say
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Matrix is right. Giselle's skills are so trivial as to be depressingly commonplace.
Body88 is confusing who, exactly, has the skill here. THE CORPORATIONS HAVE THE SKILL. Giselle has become as irreplaceable as any top pitcher, doctor, scientist, etc. but not by her own skill, but by the cunning and craftiness of the companies she works for.
They chose her, who the hell knows why, right place right time, undoubtedly. Then they paid her shitloads of cash FOR THE EXACT REASON THAT SHE WOULD APPEAR INVALUABLE. She is not giving them a "return on investment" LMAO!!! The headline "GISELLE BUNDCHEN PAID 25 MILLION A YEAR" is giving them their precious ROI... THE HEADLINE.
Matrix is right -- fashion is an industry inherently devoid of skill, use-value, etc. It is a world of sign-value -- of appearances. Giselle has no skill of her own, could be any one of a hundred-thousand similar girls, but she won the lottery and then the fashion companies went hard to work using THEIR skills to TRICK everyone into thinking that she was so great, so that, in return, the could continue to fool people into thinking the clothes she wears are great.
So you're saying corporations don't expact an roi on their endorsements?
Why in the hell are these companies losing millions by funding a model who does nothing for them?
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You're letting your own personal idea of beauty cloud your opinion.
Giselle has a skill. It's the ability to resonate with women and sell products. The type of money she commands as a model, is based upon the type of money she can generate for a company. Not just anyone can do that.
LOL! I also agree with much more subtle post.
But to me, it's irrelevant whether she has a skill or anything that a third party outside observer think justifies her salary. In any transaction between a buyer (her employer) and seller (Giselle) all that matter is what they agree upon. If someone decides to pay her a 100 million never to model again all that matters is if she'll agree to the terms.
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LOL! I also agree with much more subtle post.
But to me, it's irrelevant whether she has a skill or anything that a third party outside observer think justifies her salary. In any transaction between a buyer (her employer) and seller (Giselle) all that matter is what they agree upon. If someone decides to pay her a 100 million never to model again all that matters is if she'll agree to the terms.
But thats not what I'm arguing.. I'm saying she has a skill and deserves the money that she helps to generate. I'm not arguing the moral or social value of Gisele B, either.
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So you're saying corporations don't expact an roi on their endorsements?
Why in the hell are these companies losing millions by funding a model who does nothing for them?
The model is a tiny part of the machine -- a necessary part but of the lowest order.
Saying giselle makes them their millions back is like saying the windshield on veyron makes bugatti their millions back. It's an essential part, of course, but its specific qualities are trivial. They could have designed the windshield a million different ways and no one would know the difference. Similarly, the fashion companies could have dressed up a million different models in their clothes and no one would know the difference.
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Pellius, let me ask you a question.
If Giselle can generate 20 million dollars in sales, does she deserve the 10% cut she is taking for that skill?
In a free market she "deserves" what ever she can get. Whatever anybody is willing to pay her and she is able to negotiate. But obviously if someone makes me $100 and I only have to pay them $10 in return then I am getting a great deal. And it doesn't matter to me if I end up paying them 10 billion dollars as long as I get my 100 billion.
But just between you and me, if John Matrix can make me a 100 billion dollars, I'd even give him 99 billion. ;)
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Just to prove my point: they could take any vaguely modelly looking girl TONIGHT and make a headline "NEW GIRL MAKES 50 MILLION ON FIRST CONTRACT" and INSTANTLY people would give her the same sort of clout giselle has. Obviously they don't do this because it would upset too many people and is even more costly than is necessary.
I don't believe this to be the case. For some reason Giselle resonates in the world of modeling. But say you're right. So what? Say a modeling company decides to take some random hottie off the beach and pay her 50 million. If it turns out to be a bad iinvestment, guess what? Modeling company goes out of business.
I think you are under estimating the business savvy of a successful modeling agency. Why do I say that? It's because they are successful.
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The model is a tiny part of the machine -- a necessary part but of the lowest order.
Saying giselle makes them their millions back is like saying the windshield on veyron makes bugatti their millions back. It's an essential part, of course, but it's trivial. They could have designed the windshield a million different ways and no one would know the difference. Similarly, the fashion companies could have dressed up a million different models in their clothes and no one would know the difference.
To me this is totally false. What you say might have been true prior to Giselle building her brand, when she was a random model, but now, she offers instant roi opportunity for a company.
Giselle has millions of fans who adore her. A company who chooses to use her as a spokesperson, can build instant credibility with a massive audience by using her. If you're a marginal brand looking to revamp your image, or a current brand looking to tap into a huge market, using Giselle is a great vehicle to make that happen, and to drive sales across the board.
Your example might be a bad one. People do know the difference between Giselle and a model they never heard of.
Giselle is a world famous star. She's in all the mags, all over the tv. Young women love her, and when they see her wearing a brand, that brand becomes cool and they want to be part of the image that Giselle provides. They respond to that by opening their wallet.
Say I started an athletic apparel company. How many people would take that company serious and also buy my products if I had Kobe endorsing the gear vs. some random NBA player you never heard of?
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But thats not what I'm arguing.. I'm saying she has a skill and deserves the money that she helps to generate. I'm not arguing the moral or social value of Gisele B, either.
I know. Just making a point about the absurdity for people, not involved in a transaction, to complain about who or what something or someone's worth is. I mentioned watches before. I don't wear a watch. Don't need to and don't want to. I wouldn't pay 20 bucks for a Rolex if I was forced to wear it. If I could get a genuine Rolex for $20 I'd simply sell it.
What determines a product's value is what someone is willing to pay. And never conflate the cost of a product (how much resources it took to produce it) with the price of a product (how much someone is willing to pay).
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You all seem to believe in some secret "resonating quality" of Giselle. I'm telling you it's not the case!!
Take any no-name off the street, build them up with deals left and right... after a while, drop the "OMG 25 MILLION PAYCHECK articles"... they will resonate! I promise!
Of course they have to have model qualities, but these "skills" (not true skills in this case--looks, basic level of education) are not hard to come by, and not a secret! You think these corporation talent scouts have a sharp eye, but they don't! It's no secret who can be a model and who can't; it's obvious after five minutes. The rest is just pile on the money and fame and watch girls hearts melt.
Similar to the world of bodybuilding in a lot of ways...
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The model is a tiny part of the machine -- a necessary part but of the lowest order.
Saying giselle makes them their millions back is like saying the windshield on veyron makes bugatti their millions back. It's an essential part, of course, but its specific qualities are trivial. They could have designed the windshield a million different ways and no one would know the difference. Similarly, the fashion companies could have dressed up a million different models in their clothes and no one would know the difference.
Again this is irrelevant to the salary she commands -- which is what I believe we are arguing. Whether you or anybody else think she's of the lowest order, or that it could have been anyone else, is irrelevant to the fact that someone is willing to pay her the amount she gets. Maybe not you. Certainly not I. But someone. I think it's crazy but then again, I'm not writing the checks.
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Say I started an athletic apparel company. How many people would take that company serious and also buy my products if I had Kobe endorsing the gear vs. some random NBA player you never heard of?
Kobe is a great basketball player with a lot of talent. He worked his way up to the top. Giselle is an average model-looking girl who was in the right place at the right time -- corporations did EVERYTHING, to make her famous.
Corporations can't take some guy from your local gym and make him into Kobe. They can take any number of a dozen girls you probably know personally and turn them into Giselle. That's the difference.
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You all seem to believe in some secret "resonating quality" of Giselle. I'm telling you it's not the case!!
Take any no-name off the street, build them up with deals left and right... after a while, drop the "OMG 25 MILLION PAYCHECK articles"... they will resonate! I promise!
Of course they have to have model qualities, but these are not "skills" (not true skills in this case--looks, basic level of education) are not hard to come by, and not a secret! You think these corporation talent scouts have a sharp eye, but they don't! It's no secret who can be a model and who can't; it's obvious after five minutes. The rest is just pile on the money and fame and watch girls hearts melt.
Similar to the world of bodybuilding in a lot of ways...
Dude, I'm sorry, but starting a company and hiring some random model and claiming she makes 25 million a year does not drive sales.
The reason Giselle generates money for companies is because she has millions of fans all over the world who spend money attempting to tap into her image and lifestyle.
If you started a fashion brand and spent a bunch of money on marketing, promoting a model that no one ever heard of you might succeed based on your products. If you want to circumvent that risk, you go out, and you pay a model like Giselle, who has a giant market attached to her brand and tap into that resource instantly. It's why companies hire spokespeople, to sell shit!
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You all seem to believe in some secret "resonating quality" of Giselle. I'm telling you it's not the case!!
Take any no-name off the street, build them up with deals left and right... after a while, drop the "OMG 25 MILLION PAYCHECK articles"... they will resonate! I promise!
Of course they have to have model qualities, but these "skills" (not true skills in this case--looks, basic level of education) are not hard to come by, and not a secret! You think these corporation talent scouts have a sharp eye, but they don't! It's no secret who can be a model and who can't; it's obvious after five minutes. The rest is just pile on the money and fame and watch girls hearts melt.
Similar to the world of bodybuilding in a lot of ways...
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO! It is not ME that thinks she has some secret or special "resonating" quality. What I'm saying is that someone obviously does and they are the one's writing the check. You may think it's unfair. You may think it's stupid. But you're not the one writing the check.
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Again this is irrelevant to the salary she commands -- which is what I believe we are arguing. Whether you or anybody else think she's of the lowest order, or that it could have been anyone else, is irrelevant to the fact that someone is willing to pay her the amount she gets. Maybe not you. Certainly not I. But someone. I think it's crazy but then again, I'm not writing the checks.
I agree with you but I'm specifically arguing against the idea that she has some sort of "special skills" that make her particularly suited to top tier modeling work. She may have the skills, but they aren't special. Luck of the draw for her. That's all I'm saying.
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There are MILLIONS of tall and skinny women. Why is Giselle making more than the other 999,999 zero skill clothes horses?
Since this is getting redundant I'll say it one last time, and we'll agree to disagree. Giselle makes big money because she is able to make big money for companies through her endorsements.
no there isn't. not like her anyway. you need to see these women next to normal woman to realise just how strikingly different they are.
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Kobe is a great basketball player with a lot of talent. He worked his way up to the top. Giselle is an average model-looking girl who was in the right place at the right time -- corporations did EVERYTHING, to make her famous.
Corporations can't take some guy from your local gym and make him into Kobe. They can take any number of a dozen girls you probably know personally and turn them into Giselle. That's the difference.
You're missing the point over and over, and you're all over the place. you said Giselle does not generate roi and that is incorrect.
Giselle is a brand. She has millions of fans right now. If I invest in her I get credibility with all those fans instantly. All her fans buy my shit instantly. Consumers see her in my shit in the 1000 magazines that show pictures of her. She talks about my brand when she's on tv, etc.
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no there isn't. not like her anyway. you need to see these women next to normal woman to realise just how strikingly different they are.
You ever been to LA or NYC, dude? There are a MILLION tall, skinny models walking around trying to make it big.
I live two blocks from Giselle here in Boston. I've seen her a million times.
You hire Giselle, you're exposed to millions of consumers who want to be like her across the world. Your sales increase, period.
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Modelling is all about looks & image, and Giselle has created an image for herself associated with her name that sells to the public for their own reasons. That is her skill - the creation of the image that companies pay for.
And Matrix, the modelling industry is just as cut throat as Hollywood, so no one gets to the top & stays there through pure luck alone - there are a whole lot of factors involved. If Giselle gets replaced by a new face tomorrow, the new girl is just another pretty face in the modelling world who doesn't have Giselle's connection with the target market.
Which is why her looks/image is capitalized on, for as long as it's in demand and for the best price they can get.
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I agree with you but I'm specifically arguing against the idea that she has some sort of "special skills" that make her particularly suited to top tier modeling work. She may have the skills, but they aren't special. Luck of the draw for her. That's all I'm saying.
Fair enough. Again, as I mentioned before, so much in life has to due with luck and sheer chance of events. Giselle right now is the one. She wasn't always the one and she won't always be the one. But apparently she is right now. I don't get it but then again I'm not the one paying her. Whoever is paying her obvious believes, whether you agree or not, that they are getting a good deal or they simply would not pay her the amount she commands.
It's a strange world, my friend, and if God made me god I would have created a world where we all start off as equals and everything we get or don't get out of life is solely up to us. Everyone would get what they deserved.
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You're missing the point over and over, and you're all over the place. you said Giselle does not generate roi and that is incorrect.
Giselle is a brand. She has millions of fans right now. If I invest in her I get credibility with all those fans instantly. All her fans buy my shit instantly. Consumers see her in my shit in the 1000 magazines that show pictures of her. She talks about my brand when she's on tv, etc.
I know economics but I don't know business -- LOL! What's roi?
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Modelling is all about looks & image, and Giselle has created an image for herself associated with her name that sells to the public for their own reasons. That is her skill - the creation of the image that companies pay for.
And Matrix, the modelling industry is just as cut throat as Hollywood, so no one gets to the top & stays there through pure luck alone - there are a whole lot of factors involved. If Giselle gets replaced by a new face tomorrow, the new girl is just another pretty face in the modelling world who doesn't have Giselle's connection with the target market.
Exactly.
Let me break it down like this. I'm famous and I have 1,000,000 people who follow me on twitter. They watch me on TV, they love my image and they follow my every move. Lets say that audience is made up of 18-34 year old males. You're a clothing company who wants to reach 18-34 year old males and you pay me 100,000 to wear your t-shirts. You've instantly built credibility with a huge amount of consumers who you are targeting, and chances are they will start buying your brand.
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I know economics but I don't know business -- LOL! What's roi?
return on investment.
I think it's safe to say if a clothing company gives Giselle 1,000,000 they will see many times that figure in sales coming from her millions of fans across the globe.
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You're missing the point over and over, and you're all over the place. you said Giselle does not generate roi and that is incorrect.
Giselle is a brand. She has millions of fans right now. If I invest in her I get credibility with all those fans instantly. All her fans buy my shit instantly. Consumers see her in my shit in the 1000 magazines that show pictures of her. She talks about my brand when she's on tv, etc.
And this has nothing to do with her skill. It is all because she has been built up by the corporations she works for into "something special" when in fact she's not. They are the ones making her into a brand. She is not making herself into a brand.
She's like a raw chunk of stone, nothing special about it, that they chose to carve into their little supermodel. Sure, now she is the supermodel -- okay, but everything about her was manufactured by Victoria's secret et al. I feel like you're saying the stone carved itself into the statue. Simply not the case.
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And this has nothing to do with her skill. It is all because she has been built up by the corporations she works for into "something special" when in fact she's not. They are the ones making her into a brand. She is not making herself into a brand.
She's like a raw chunk of stone, nothing special about it, that they chose to carve into their little supermodel. Sure, now she is the supermodel -- okay, but everything about her was manufactured by Victoria's secret et al. I feel like you're saying the stone carved itself into the statue. Simply not the case.
That's false man. She has staying power and she resonates with her fans. That takes skill. She's been a fav of women for over a decade. What happened to all the other models VS and other brands endorsed? You cant force consumers to like a spokesperson. Marketing alone does not make fans want to live your lifestyle. It's the same reason you find certain people cool. James Dean, whatever. It's not the marketing alone, it's also the persons persona.
Look at it this way. If Giselle has 10,000,000 fans across the globe and 10% of those fans buy your 50.00 garmet she is endorsing, you've just made 50,000,00.00 and you only had to pay her 5,000,000. That a pretty big roi, and that's why companies hire her.
Her skill is staying power and remaining relevent and cool in an industry where new trends/faces happen every day.
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I also want to mention about this business about athletes deserving what they get because they have a specific skill and worked hard to develop it.
But again this is luck of the draw. Contrary to the feel good saying that a champion is made not born, the fact is for the most part they are born. They are born with a talent that the rest of mere mortals don't have no matter what we do, take or how hard we work.
Sure they work hard but not any harder than their competitors. I mentioned Tiger Woods. When he was a champ while still in his teens he simply did not live long enough to put in the time and effort that his competition did.
Take bodybuilding. Does anyone really think that Ronnie took some special cocktail of drugs or more of them than any of his rivals? Did he train harder than the nobody bodybuilder, Benny Podda, who I witnessed squatting until his nose burst with blood? Ronnie was genetically gifted. Sure he did more and worked harder than a model who just happened to be born with a specific look. But in both cases what took them to the top was a gift from God.
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You ever been to LA or NYC, dude? There are a MILLION tall, skinny models walking around trying to make it big.
I live two blocks from Giselle here in Boston. I've seen her a million times.
You hire Giselle, you're exposed to millions of consumers who want to be like her across the world. Your sales increase, period.
maybe so, but she'll be somehow more unique.
look, i understand what you're saying. i'm just saying that you're wrong when you say she has a skill. she doesn't. she's tall and thin and got fucking lucky over all the other tall and skinny girls trying to make it.
whether she's worth all that money is neither here nor there. the fact is, she CAN make that money in the strange world we live in. good on her.. we'd all do the same in her shoes.
just like this dude, lol
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he's taking it to the bank. is he worth it?
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What happened to all the other models VS and other brands endorsed?
Are you serious? Adriana Lima, Alessandra Ambrosio, Heidi Klum, Tyra Banks, Miranda Kerr, Marissa Miller, etc. etc. etc. ???
Take any blank-canvas of a girl, of which there are many, and from that point on the corporation is the artist. If this is not the case then why is it so hard to list which of these girls' skills, exactly, lend themselves to success in this business?
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I also want to mention about this business about athletes deserving what they get because they have a specific skill and worked hard to develop it.
But again this is luck of the draw. Contrary to the feel good saying that a champion is made not born, the fact is for the most part they are born. They are born with a talent that the rest of mere mortals don't have no matter what we do, take or how hard we work.
Sure they work hard but not any harder than their competitors. I mentioned Tiger Woods. When he was a champ while still in his teens he simply did not live long enough to put in the time and effort that his competition did.
Take bodybuilding. Does anyone really think that Ronnie took some special cocktail of drugs or more of them than any of his rivals? Did he train harder than the nobody bodybuilder, Benny Podda, who I witnessed squatting until his nose burst with blood? Ronnie was genetically gifted. Sure he did more and worked harder than a model who just happened to be born with a specific look. But in both cases what took them to the top was a gift from God.
This is a very good post and highlights that, in the case of models vs. athletes (or anyone) it's simply a difference of DEGREE.
Athletes have natural talent that they develop into refined skills. Models have some natural talent that they develop (hardly at all) into completely trivial skills (not being an idiot, being able to give speeches... uh... not ashamed to walk down an aisle with few clothes on?).
The athletes develop their skills to (relative to the models) very high levels (not in all cases, I suppose, but most).
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Are you serious? Adriana Lima, Alessandro Ambrosia, Heidi Klum, Tyra Banks, Miranda Kerr, Marissa Miller, etc. etc. etc. ???
Take any blank-canvas of a girl, of which there are many, and from that point on the corporation is the artist. If this is not the case then why is it so hard to list which of these girls' skills, exactly, lend themselves to success in this business?
There are about a thousand that you didn't name. You went ahead and named the 1% that survive and make a living of their skill.
I've listed their skills about 10 times.
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Again what skill is that?
Knowing who to blow?
Walking down the street when VS agent is present?
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And since I'm in a generous mood tonight (9:00 PM Hawaii time) I will explain to you this whole business of fairness.
There are essentially two definitions of fairness. One: everyone has an equal opportunity for success. Two: everyone plays by the same rules.
They both seem reasonable but they are indeed quite different. In fact, they are mutually exclusive. Having one virtually precludes the possibility of having the other. Because we are all born different playing by the same rules virtually guarantees that we will not have the same opportunities for success. As I mentioned before, if I was born in the Congo my opportunities are severely limited than if I was born in the US. Being born a dwarf is going to make it pretty hard to be an NBA player. The only way I will ever have a chance at being able to cross the finish line at the same time as an Olympic Gold medalist is by handicapping my competition. Giving me a head start which will be determined by how fast the other sprinter is and how fast I am. If it's a group of us then the necessary calculations will have to be made, taking into account all the various factors, including how much rest each of us had and what are biorhythms are on that particular day, to "make it fair." For all of us to finish at the same time everyone will have to slow down to accommodate the slowest runner. There are consequences to playing God.
It's one thing trying to strive for equality of opportunity. It's quite another striving for equality of result.
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yep. this woman 'earns' (i love how they always say 'earns' ::)) tens of millions of dollars a year. for what? FOR WHAT? 6 foot tall, no tits, no ass, no hips, no curves, generic face.
good ol' capitalism ::)
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that chick looks SO hot, whats wrong with you idiots???
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Are you serious? Adriana Lima, Alessandra Ambrosio, Heidi Klum, Tyra Banks, Miranda Kerr, Marissa Miller, etc. etc. etc. ???
Take any blank-canvas of a girl, of which there are many, and from that point on the corporation is the artist. If this is not the case then why is it so hard to list which of these girls' skills, exactly, lend themselves to success in this business?
this
'skill' ;D ;D ::)
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I motion that WE at getbig, form our own fashion house/brand and hire the models WE want on the catwalk...he,he...that would really shake up the toothpick status quo
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Again what skill is that?
Knowing who to blow?
Walking down the street when VS agent is present?
???
It's not purely about talent or looks or luck or all the behind-the-scene activities and chance happenings - it's all of that and maybe more.
Take any top star in Hollywood, say Clint Eastwood, and you'll find there are better looking guys out there (no homo), some of whom can act better. But none of them have CE's connection with the audience and his image that they identify with when they hear his name. Which is why if you replaced him, the new person will not get the same kind of response even if he looked and acted better. Which is why you can't just replace an existing name with a nameless nobody who is just another pretty face among tens of thousands in the industry.
The fashion industry as well as the jewellery, cosmetics and misc. industries whose products Giselle models for all are multi-billion dollar revenue industries. So they know what they are doing and I'm sure getting the best price they can for it.
If you want to talk about the fashion industry driving a particular image down our throats (androgynous qualities etc), that's a whole different topic altogether.
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that chick looks SO hot, whats wrong with you idiots???
I agree. Slurp :P
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It's not purely about talent or looks or luck or all the behind-the-scene activities and chance happenings - it's all of that and maybe more.
Take any top star in Hollywood, say Clint Eastwood, and you'll find there are better looking guys out there (no homo), some of whom can act better. But none of them have CE's connection with the audience and his image that they identify with when they hear his name. Which is why if you replaced him, the new person will not get the same kind of response even if he looked and acted better. Which is why you can't just replace an existing name with a nameless nobody who is just another pretty face among tens of thousands in the industry.
There was a time, I'm sure, when Clint was just starting out that he didn't have nearly the same "connection with the audience" that he does today. But he had the looks, and he had the acting skills -- give him enough time in the spotlight and he'll generate a connection.
Same as any model... get the right sort of person (again, in this industry that's saying very little about their skill, more about their looks) and put 'em in the spotlight. Throw them up on TV in front of millions of people, plaster their ads in countless magazines, spin out tons of articles about how great they are and how glamorous their lifestyle is and how much money they make, and soon enough people will be in love.
And I have no doubt the multi-billion dollar industries know what they're doing. I'm sure they're well aware of the fact that they can pick any one of a hundred thousand girls and promote her and soon enough fans will love her. It's no different than dressing up a mannequin to them.
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There was a time, I'm sure, when Clint was just starting out that he didn't have nearly the same "connection with the audience" that he does today. But he had the looks, and he had the acting skills -- give him enough time in the spotlight and he'll generate a connection.
Same as any model... get the right sort of person (again, in this industry that's saying very little about their skill, more about their looks) and put 'em in the spotlight. Throw them up on TV in front of millions of people, plaster their ads in countless magazines, spin out tons of articles about how great they are and how glamorous their lifestyle is and how much money they make, and soon enough people will be in love.
And I have no doubt the multi-billion dollar industries know what they're doing. I'm sure they're well aware of the fact that they can pick any one of a hundred thousand girls and promote her and soon enough fans will love her. It's no different than dressing up a mannequin to them.
You can establish any name or image in time, with the right marketing, true. But once you've spent a lot of time and money into creating an image, why simply abandon it and start afresh?
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I agree. Slurp :P
You wouldn't have have sex with her Kiwiol?
She's very hot and i would even leave the lights on while i ate her "funky blueberry-wildberry" scented shaved pussy.
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You wouldn't have have sex with her Kiwiol?
She's very hot and i would even leave the lights on while i ate her "funky blueberry-wildberry" scented shaved pussy.
I wouldn't kick her out of bed - unless she interferes with my post-workout window of opportunity
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You can establish any name or image in time, with the right marketing, true. But once you've spent a lot of time and money into creating an image, why simply abandon it and start afresh?
Oh right, of course. I don't think I was suggesting that? The whole time I was just trying to show that Giselle's "skills" shouldn't be credited for her "brand." Instead, credit should go to the the fashion corporations.
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this is very telling
but some of you are missing the full picture..........its not about having the prettiest face in the entire world.........its her body, and they way she can present clothing
what is she 5'11........6 foot............110 lbs.............i dont think you appreciate how rare her body is for a woman, to be that tall,,,,,,,,,,and proportioned, and not gangly
the face matter of course........but girls faces are an illusion anyway...........as long as a girls face is reasonably attractive (no glaring deformities or disfigurements)...........you can do ANYTHING with makeup...........as long as the girls face is reasonably attractive, with top level cosmeticians., you can do ANYTHING
its her dimensions, that are rare..........for a woman to be that tall, and still be petite...........not big assed, or hippy, or cankly like tall chicks are
as long as the body is there, you can create the face
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There was a time, I'm sure, when Clint was just starting out that he didn't have nearly the same "connection with the audience" that he does today. But he had the looks, and he had the acting skills -- give him enough time in the spotlight and he'll generate a connection.
Same as any model... get the right sort of person (again, in this industry that's saying very little about their skill, more about their looks) and put 'em in the spotlight. Throw them up on TV in front of millions of people, plaster their ads in countless magazines, spin out tons of articles about how great they are and how glamorous their lifestyle is and how much money they make, and soon enough people will be in love.
And I have no doubt the multi-billion dollar industries know what they're doing. I'm sure they're well aware of the fact that they can pick any one of a hundred thousand girls and promote her and soon enough fans will love her. It's no different than dressing up a mannequin to them.
The fashion industy tend to favor androgynous faces due to being able to make them into whatever they want, and to nullify "attractiveness"---as was stated they are selling a product, so they must compliment the product, not overshadow it...a perfect example is rims on a car. A nice rim should compliment or bring out certain qualities of the car (how it sits, handling, weight, looks), but some goo too far (the Dubs route) and it is the rim that his showcased, not the car...this is where the ghetto, hillbilly, wannabe people come in. The rims are worth more than the car, and the car is worth shit.
The model is the rim, and the clothes are the car...in the fashion world, in the real world it is the car (the model) that should get the most attention, not the rim (clothing).
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Kobe is a great basketball player with a lot of talent. He worked his way up to the top. Giselle is an average model-looking girl who was in the right place at the right time -- corporations did EVERYTHING, to make her famous.
Corporations can't take some guy from your local gym and make him into Kobe. They can take any number of a dozen girls you probably know personally and turn them into Giselle. That's the difference.
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they dont seem to get that she is a Product of the corporations that use her. nothing more. there is nothing 'special' about her in particular.
if they want to keep believing that she is some super-talented superhuman who has some unique ability, fuck em. its thinking/people like them that keep the stupid system going ...at the expense of those who actually do useful things.
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Are you serious? Adriana Lima, Alessandra Ambrosio, Heidi Klum, Tyra Banks, Miranda Kerr, Marissa Miller, etc. etc. etc. ???
Take any blank-canvas of a girl, of which there are many, and from that point on the corporation is the artist. If this is not the case then why is it so hard to list which of these girls' skills, exactly, lend themselves to success in this business?
Tyra has tits, the others don't. In fact, that was the big "knock" on Tyra, she was busty....
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yep. this woman 'earns' (i love how they always say 'earns' ::)) tens of millions of dollars a year. for what? FOR WHAT? 6 foot tall, no tits, no ass, no hips, no curves, generic face.
good ol' capitalism ::)
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Even with make-up, she still looks like a plain Jane with the only good attribute being her high cheek bones.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Even with make-up, she still looks like a plain Jane with the only good attribute being her high cheek bones.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
how dare you say that SUCK, clearly she is a uber-talented goddess among mortals whos incredible skills led her to a position which no other woman could achieve, she EARNS her millions because she is far more beautiful and Talented than any other.
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The fashion industy tend to favor androgynous faces due to being able to make them into whatever they want, and to nullify "attractiveness"---as was stated they are selling a product, so they must compliment the product, not overshadow it...a perfect example is rims on a car. A nice rim should compliment or bring out certain qualities of the car (how it sits, handling, weight, looks), but some goo too far (the Dubs route) and it is the rim that his showcased, not the car...this is where the ghetto, hillbilly, wannabe people come in. The rims are worth more than the car, and the car is worth shit.
The model is the rim, and the clothes are the car...in the fashion world, in the real world it is the car (the model) that should get the most attention, not the rim (clothing).
Not a very accurate post Parker.
The model is the centre of attention. It just so happens that there are a wide variety of ideals and sometimes an emphasis on unusualness regardless of other factors. There is no singular representation, masculinity, femininity, androgeny, it's all there in varying ammounts.
It depends very much on what market they are trying to appeal to and the direction that they want to go with the product.
Gisele is like a Kate Moss type, Plain, certain unusual attributes, androgynous, that got pushed and is in the public eye now so is unlikely to fall out of favor.
She is known so lends any brand instant recognition. Thats whats it's about and the same reason the Kim Kardashians, Paris Hiltons, Situations,of this world are in demand.
You think there aren't a thousand models out there that aren't in better shape and have a better look than say Posh and Becks, Megan Fox? it's just a numbers game.
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body88 and pellius are correct from at least some of the posts I have read. I have many model friends. Some of them very big like ex was. I have a male friend who in the 70's and 80's kept LA Models on the map. Without him they probably would have gone out of business. Me Stuntmovie have a friend to who was a popular model and one Herb Ritt's top models. I just found out an old friend is known as the Runway Expert. I was with Prima in LA when Mila was with them. I did a commercial and shared a girlfriend of the guy who started the male model craze when they had his Calvin Klein ad of him in just underwear on every bus stop and place you can put a poster in New York. Every ad ended getting stolen from crazed women. It made worldwide news. My ex had a 5th avenue apartment before she was 22.
,Models are a commodity. Designers who can afford it, pay for the best because they bring out the media and the buyers to the shows. They get paid huge amounts of money because they increase sales. Like body88 said these models get the media time where they are mentioning the designers clothes constantly. why do you think Joan Rivers always asks "who are you wearing" to everyone on the red carpet. Because, those celebrity endorse those designers and in return get paid and get free clothes. More to follow i have to have breakfsast now
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Not a very accurate post Parker.
The model is the centre of attention. It just so happens that there are a wide variety of ideals and sometimes an emphasis on unusualness regardless of other factors. There is no singular representation, masculinity, femininity, androgeny, it's all there in varying ammounts.
It depends very much on what market they are trying to appeal to and the direction that they want to go with the product.
Gisele is like a Kate Moss type, Plain, certain unusual attributes, androgynous, that got pushed and is in the public eye now so is unlikely to fall out of favor.
She is known so lends any brand instant recognition. Thats whats it's about and the same reason the Kim Kardashians, Paris Hiltons, Situations,of this world are in demand.
You think there aren't a thousand models out there that aren't in better shape and have a better look than say Posh and Becks, Megan Fox? it's just a numbers game.
in the fashion industry the clothes are the product, the models the hanger...the clothes are prototypes for what the design houses are bringing out...yes the model is center stage, but it is what and how she wears the clothes...ever looked at a car magazine and seen wheel ads from those "upscale" brands like Savini? They always have a Lambo or Porsche featuring their rims, usually it's the Lambo (woman) who is center stage and the clothes (rims) are what compliments her, but the purpose of the ads are that the wheels (clothes) are what makes the Lambo (woman)...it's a method of trickery, how something is presented to you, how it is marketed to you. As was said before, anything marketed right, it can be sold. People who are smart enough to see it, don't buy...some of the most gullible women are the ones into fashion.
When I worked in Footlocker while in college, I could learned that I could sell a woman a outfit that would go with her sneakers. The outfit complimented the sneakers, and the sneakers supposedly complimented the woman. I said supposedly for a reason.
You see the design houses market their clothing to compliment the everyday woman, who let's face it, are far more prettier than their catwalk counterparts, but the they put emphasis on the models to compliment and showoff the clothing. The girl I used to date was heavily into "America's Next Top Model", and as I sat there begrudgingly watching it, I had notice that a model's job is to "model" the merchandise, to compliment it, not to overwhelm it with her beauty, therefore a totally stunning woman will take away from the object she is modeling...and the fact that most women are the audience, not men who are very visual and will buy a product due to a hot chick...women DO NOT want to see a woman hotter than themselves modeling clothing. They loathe her, and will not focus on the item being modelled, but will tear the girl up.
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They get paid huge amounts of money because they increase sales.
They aren't paid huge amounts of money because they increase sales. They are paid huge amounts of money because the act of paying them a ton of money increases sales. Huge paychecks are just one component of the model's IMAGE, which is the true commodity, the true investment that these companies are making.
It's wrong to say that they increase sales through their skillset -- that increasing sales is their skill. It's their IMAGE which increases the sales, an image that the companies behind the products work hard to create. She doesn't create the image; she has practically nothing to do with it -- as i've said before she's a blank canvas. Sure, like any good canvas she has to be the right material, have the right dimensions etc. but the corporations are the ones putting her in front of huge audiences, paying her huge amounts of money, telling everyone "this girl is amazing," fooling stupid girls (and even some guys) into believing she is some sort of goddess so that whatever she wears must be fit for a goddess. They are the ones painting all over the plain, common cloth canvas.
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I'm not entirely sure what I'm seeing there.
;D And neither am I.
And by the way. . . I too snorted cocaine at Nelson Mandella's house. Who hasn't?
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They aren't paid huge amounts of money because they increase sales. They are paid huge amounts of money because the act of paying them a ton of money increases sales. Huge paychecks are just one component of the model's IMAGE, which is the true commodity, the true investment that these companies are making.
It's wrong to say that they increase sales through their skillset -- that increasing sales is their skill. It's their IMAGE which increases the sales, an image that the companies behind the products work hard to create. She doesn't create the image; she has practically nothing to do with it -- as i've said before she's a blank canvas. Sure, like any good canvas she has to be the right material, have the right dimensions etc. but the corporations are the ones putting her in front of huge audiences, paying her huge amounts of money, telling everyone "this girl is amazing," fooling stupid girls (and even some guys) into believing she is some sort of goddess so that whatever she wears must be fit for a goddess. They are the ones painting all over the plain, common cloth canvas.
A little lesson "everything is money and sales". The ONLY reason the big name models are hired is to increase visibility for the designers clothes which in turn mean increased sales. Simple as that. If she was a blank canvass as you put it then ANY model would do. But that is not the case. The big name model gets the show the pre-publicty needed for the show. She gets the photos in the magazine, she gets the interviews on TV, she gets the talk show bookings, she get the magazine article, she gets the billboards, she gets the radio interviews, the big press conferences and junkets. A no name doesn't get that. To invest $100,000 to bring in a super model pays for itself many times over. That's a fact and that is why they are used.
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That's all fine and correct. I don't think you read my post carefully enough.
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That's all fine and correct. I don't think you read my post carefully enough.
probably not. I usually only read a few lines until it sparks something for me to write.
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I'm not entirely sure what I'm seeing there.
I'm entirely sure I'm not liking what I'm seeing there.
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It's wrong to say that they increase sales through their skillset -- that increasing sales is their skill. It's their IMAGE which increases the sales, an image that the companies behind the products work hard to create. She doesn't create the image; she has practically nothing to do with it -- as i've said before she's a blank canvas. Sure, like any good canvas she has to be the right material, have the right dimensions etc. but the corporations are the ones putting her in front of huge audiences, paying her huge amounts of money, telling everyone "this girl is amazing," fooling stupid girls (and even some guys) into believing she is some sort of goddess so that whatever she wears must be fit for a goddess. They are the ones painting all over the plain, common cloth canvas.
It would be wrong to say that a model is solely responsible for the volume of sales their image generates, but it would be equally wrong to say they had nothing to do with it. It's no different than being an actor - you say someone's lines taught to you by another person, standing in a set created by someone else in a movie someone else is directing & producing, but that doesn't mean you don't bring anything to the table.
A random and inexperienced pretty girl can't just walk into a photoshoot and pull off what is expected of a professional model. It may not be rocket science, but like any other job, it has it's own challenges.
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Here are giselle's skills over 10,000 other women:
1. she had the balls to walk into a modeling company (most women don't have this kind of confidence)
2. she had the brains to convince the fashion industry that whatever she looked like that day is what the fashion industry needed. Let's think about this. The gay men that run the industry didn't say "we need a 5'11" brazillian blonde with squinty eyes as the face of our industry" and she just happened to be there. She fixed herself up nice, dove into the industry and they said "fuck yeah, this is what we need". If there was a certain look the industry sought, how come all the models look so different? Why does Cindy Crawford get paid to be a model when she has a mole on her face? Why does Naomi Campbell get paid when there's jungle bitches who surely look better than her? It's cuz at some point she convinced the industry they needed her.
3. like Johnny Carson, she takes the money she makes cuz she can. Her skill at being Giselle is just as profitable (in this case more) than the skill of Tom Brady throwing a football.
4. the "cops and firemen should be paid more" bullshit should be left for kindergarten class. cops and firemen do not make any money, they are a service we all collectively agreed upon as necessary that we know won't make money, but will keep us all safer as a collective. fashion industry is just that, an industry. through clever marketing (ie use of Giselle) they pimp their products. Giselle is fucking good at selling them, that simple.
also, lol at the fuckers who don't think she's good looking. she might be a little skinny, but she's fuck your receding hairline brains out if you ever got the chance.
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Here are giselle's skills over 10,000 other women:
1. she had the balls to walk into a modeling company (most women don't have this kind of confidence)
2. she had the brains to convince the fashion industry that whatever she looked like that day is what the fashion industry needed. Let's think about this. The gay men that run the industry didn't say "we need a 5'11" brazillian blonde with squinty eyes as the face of our industry" and she just happened to be there. She fixed herself up nice, dove into the industry and they said "fuck yeah, this is what we need". If there was a certain look the industry sought, how come all the models look so different? Why does Cindy Crawford get paid to be a model when she has a mole on her face? Why does Naomi Campbell get paid when there's jungle bitches who surely look better than her? It's cuz at some point she convinced the industry they needed her.
3. like Johnny Carson, she takes the money she makes cuz she can. Her skill at being Giselle is just as profitable (in this case more) than the skill of Tom Brady throwing a football.
4. the "cops and firemen should be paid more" bullshit should be left for kindergarten class. cops and firemen do not make any money, they are a service we all collectively agreed upon as necessary that we know won't make money, but will keep us all safer as a collective. fashion industry is just that, an industry. through clever marketing (ie use of Giselle) they pimp their products. Giselle is fucking good at selling them, that simple.
also, lol at the fuckers who don't think she's good looking. she might be a little skinny, but she's fuck your receding hairline brains out if you ever got the chance.
intelligent post
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intelligent post
i just reposted what others have already said. the "haters" posts reek of the bitter losers who "could've won state". she gets paid 30 million a year, and i doubt she took a penny of their "hard and honestly earned" shit ass money. her yearly taxes contribute more to society every year than a metropolitan police force.
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Here are giselle's skills over 10,000 other women:
1. she had the balls to walk into a modeling company (most women don't have this kind of confidence)
as i understand kit she was just going about her business when some agency guy approached her and said 'hey! want to be a model? we will pay you lots of money just to wear nice clothes!!" no doubt it tooks the lots of guts and skills for gisele to do this ::)
2. she had the brains to convince the fashion industry that whatever she looked like that day is what the fashion industry needed. Let's think about this. The gay men that run the industry didn't say "we need a 5'11" brazillian blonde with squinty eyes as the face of our industry" and she just happened to be there. She fixed herself up nice, dove into the industry and they said "fuck yeah, this is what we need". If there was a certain look the industry sought, how come all the models look so different? Why does Cindy Crawford get paid to be a model when she has a mole on her face? Why does Naomi Campbell get paid when there's jungle bitches who surely look better than her? It's cuz at some point she convinced the industry they needed her.
yes, it took mad skills and top-level intelligence for her to look the way she does. ::) why are there other models who look different? because there has to be more than just one model obviously, and they use differnt women to market to different groups/demographics
3. like Johnny Carson, she takes the money she makes cuz she can. Her skill at being Giselle is just as profitable (in this case more) than the skill of Tom Brady throwing a football.
too stupid to even comment on
4. the "cops and firemen should be paid more" bullshit should be left for kindergarten class. cops and firemen do not make any money, they are a service we all collectively agreed upon as necessary that we know won't make money, but will keep us all safer as a collective. fashion industry is just that, an industry. through clever marketing (ie use of Giselle) they pimp their products. Giselle is fucking good at selling them, that simple.
as would be anyone else they chose to use in her place, being that she is simply an artificially created controlled image
also, lol at the fuckers who don't think she's good looking. she might be a little skinny, but she's fuck your receding hairline brains out if you ever got the chance.
no one is saying shes ugly. of course we would all do her. the point is, there are millions of women just as or better looking, so to use her looks as 'justification' for her pay (ie shes THE best looking so she gets payed the most) is ridiculous