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You would think Obama would have learned a lesson from Clinton (don't mess with military pay).
Proposed 1.4% pay raise for military draws fire
By Jack Gruber, USA TODAY
(http://i.usatoday.net/news/_photos/2010/12/05/ellisx.jpg)
"This is absolute garbage," says Marines Corps Sgt. John Ellis of President Obama's proposed 1.4% pay hike, the lowest in 48 years.
Military servicemembers are fighting what would be their lowest pay raise in decades as the nation wages two wars, including a 10th year of combat in Afghanistan.
The Obama administration has proposed a 1.4% raise for the military in 2011, which would be the lowest since 1962, when no raise was given.
The administration, which wants to freeze non-military pay for federal workers to tackle the deficit, says a 1.4% raise for the military would match average private-sector-wage growth and is in addition to earlier increases in housing and food subsidies.
The raise proposal comes as the White House seeks ways to reduce a deficit fueled in part by stimulus spending for the private sector. Servicemembers say the cost-cutting should not include the pay for men and women in uniform.
"This is absolute garbage," says Marine Corps Sgt. John Ellis, 26, a squad commander who recently returned from Afghanistan, his fourth deployment. "The U.S. government can bail out GM and other major corporations, but for us little guys who make beans for money (and) risk getting killed these people think we don't need a raise."
The House approved a 1.9% raise, but the Senate Armed Services Committee, chaired by Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., adopted the administration's lower recommendation.
Two weeks remain in the "lame duck" session of Congress, and Democrats have made passage of a defense authorization bill, which includes the pay raise, contingent on a divisive measure to repeal the military's ban on gays serving openly.
Some senators say Congress should give a boost to troops doing the most fighting. Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., will propose bonuses for troops doing the "hardest work and most hazardous duties," spokesman Will Jenkins says.
Retired vice admiral Norbert Ryan, president of the Military Officers Association of America, says his group is leading a coalition of 32 groups representing 5.5 million current and former military personnel and their families in pushing for a 1.9% raise.
"To give the lowest pay raise in 48 years with a war in its 10th year, and the wear and tear on the families ... we just think from a leadership point of view it sends a terrible signal," Ryan says.
An additional half-percent increase over 1.4% raise will cost taxpayers $350 million in 2011, bringing the total cost of the higher raise to $1.3 billion, Pentagon spokeswoman Eileen Lainez says.
"This is the one group in the country that has not let this nation down," Ryan says. "They are not investment bankers."
Ryan says a higher increase is necessary to continue closing a pay-gap between military and civilian wages. The Pentagon says that the gap has already been closed with free health care and major increases in tax-free housing and food allowances.
An Army private with no dependents earns on average $37,209, figuring in base pay, housing and food allowances, and pays no taxes on the allowances, Lainez says. That compensation for an Army captain with no dependents would be $89,309.
"The president and Congress should take a pay cut before they issue this paltry increase to our troops," says Mary Ward, whose son, Army Staff Sgt. Sean Ward, 27, is on his fourth deployment.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2010-12-06-1Amilitarypay06_ST_N.htm
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You would think Obama would have learned a lesson from Clinton (don't mess with military pay).
Proposed 1.4% pay raise for military draws fire
By Jack Gruber, USA TODAY
(http://i.usatoday.net/news/_photos/2010/12/05/ellisx.jpg)
"This is absolute garbage," says Marines Corps Sgt. John Ellis of President Obama's proposed 1.4% pay hike, the lowest in 48 years.
Military servicemembers are fighting what would be their lowest pay raise in decades as the nation wages two wars, including a 10th year of combat in Afghanistan.
The Obama administration has proposed a 1.4% raise for the military in 2011, which would be the lowest since 1962, when no raise was given.
The administration, which wants to freeze non-military pay for federal workers to tackle the deficit, says a 1.4% raise for the military would match average private-sector-wage growth and is in addition to earlier increases in housing and food subsidies.
The raise proposal comes as the White House seeks ways to reduce a deficit fueled in part by stimulus spending for the private sector. Servicemembers say the cost-cutting should not include the pay for men and women in uniform.
"This is absolute garbage," says Marine Corps Sgt. John Ellis, 26, a squad commander who recently returned from Afghanistan, his fourth deployment. "The U.S. government can bail out GM and other major corporations, but for us little guys who make beans for money (and) risk getting killed these people think we don't need a raise."
The House approved a 1.9% raise, but the Senate Armed Services Committee, chaired by Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., adopted the administration's lower recommendation.
Two weeks remain in the "lame duck" session of Congress, and Democrats have made passage of a defense authorization bill, which includes the pay raise, contingent on a divisive measure to repeal the military's ban on gays serving openly.
Some senators say Congress should give a boost to troops doing the most fighting. Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., will propose bonuses for troops doing the "hardest work and most hazardous duties," spokesman Will Jenkins says.
Retired vice admiral Norbert Ryan, president of the Military Officers Association of America, says his group is leading a coalition of 32 groups representing 5.5 million current and former military personnel and their families in pushing for a 1.9% raise.
"To give the lowest pay raise in 48 years with a war in its 10th year, and the wear and tear on the families ... we just think from a leadership point of view it sends a terrible signal," Ryan says.
An additional half-percent increase over 1.4% raise will cost taxpayers $350 million in 2011, bringing the total cost of the higher raise to $1.3 billion, Pentagon spokeswoman Eileen Lainez says.
"This is the one group in the country that has not let this nation down," Ryan says. "They are not investment bankers."
Ryan says a higher increase is necessary to continue closing a pay-gap between military and civilian wages. The Pentagon says that the gap has already been closed with free health care and major increases in tax-free housing and food allowances.
An Army private with no dependents earns on average $37,209, figuring in base pay, housing and food allowances, and pays no taxes on the allowances, Lainez says. That compensation for an Army captain with no dependents would be $89,309.
"The president and Congress should take a pay cut before they issue this paltry increase to our troops," says Mary Ward, whose son, Army Staff Sgt. Sean Ward, 27, is on his fourth deployment.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2010-12-06-1Amilitarypay06_ST_N.htm
Why is it OK to cut police and fire, but the military is off limits?
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Why is it OK to cut police and fire, but the military is off limits?
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Who said it was o.k. to cut salaries of police officers and fire fighters?
In any event, keep in mind that police officers and fire fighters are, for the most part, paid by local governments.
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Why is it OK to cut police and fire, but the military is off limits?
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Shouldn't be.
They should not be receiving any pay raises.
I didn't let anyone down and I had to go without a raise either.
No one should be getting any raises in the government.
NO ONE.
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Screw that. Those men and women are making tremendous sacrifices. Leave their pay alone.
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Screw that. Those men and women are making tremendous sacrifices. Leave their pay alone.
Big deal... That's bullshit.
They choose to join the military. They CHOOSE the life.
NO ONE gets a guaranteed pay raise in life. That's as socialist as you can get.
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Big deal... That's bullshit.
They choose to join the military. They CHOOSE the life.
NO ONE gets a guaranteed pay raise in life. That's as socialist as you can get.
Yes they chose to serve. They chose to sacrifice their health and safety. They chose to die. Doesn't make their sacrifices any less important. I have no problem with increasing their pay. Good use of my tax dollars.
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Who said it was o.k. to cut salaries of police officers and fire fighters?
In any event, keep in mind that police officers and fire fighters are, for the most part, paid by local governments.
I just think it's a given if police and fire need to be cut, you cut them... Why does it matter who their paid by?
If we can't afford it, we can't afford it.
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Big deal... That's bullshit.
They choose to join the military. They CHOOSE the life.
NO ONE gets a guaranteed pay raise in life. That's as socialist as you can get.
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They weren't drafted...
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I just think it's a given if police and fire need to be cut, you cut them... Why does it matter who their paid by?
If we can't afford it, we can't afford it.
Your analysis is a bit off. This story is about a federal government funded pay raise. You need to compare apples with apples. Not every state is struggling.
And again, who said it was o.k. to cut the salaries of police officers of fire fighters?
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Your analysis is a bit off. This story is about a federal government funded pay raise. You need to compare apples with apples. Not every state is struggling.
And again, who said it was o.k. to cut the salaries of police officers of fire fighters?
In the case that some level of government is struggling, cuts like this shouldn't be out of the question.
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And again, who said it was o.k. to cut the salaries of police officers of fire fighters?
So you're also opposed to cutting police and fire?
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Yes they chose to serve. They chose to sacrifice their health and safety. They chose to die. Doesn't make their sacrifices any less important. I have no problem with increasing their pay. Good use of my tax dollars.
Terrible use... There is no reason to expand their pay when the average American isn't get it either.
Because you might have to go to war doesn't give you some special reason to get a pay raise.
Complete BULLSHIT.
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So you're also opposed to cutting police and fire?
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? That's what YOU said:
Why is it OK to cut police and fire, but the military is off limits?
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I didn't say anything about cutting police and fire pay and I don't think it has any relationship to U.S. military salaries. A better comparison would be police and fire to national guard pay in a state that is having financial trouble.
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Terrible use... There is no reason to expand their pay when the average American isn't get it either.
Because you might have to go to war doesn't give you some special reason to get a pay raise.
Complete BULLSHIT.
They're not average Americans.
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? That's what YOU said:
I didn't say anything about cutting police and fire pay and I don't think it has any relationship to U.S. military salaries. A better comparison would be police and fire to national guard pay in a state that is having financial trouble.
You really like to argue, you should get a job as a lawyer or something!
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You really like to argue, you should get a job as a lawyer or something!
Not arguing with you, but thanks for playing. :)
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Do they usually get a pay raise every year? If so how much?
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Do they usually get a pay raise every year? If so how much?
Yes. It's like 3 percent, or whatever the cost of living adjustment is (something like that). Clinton tried to cut military pay and it caused a pretty big uproar.
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I didn't say anything about cutting police and fire pay and I don't think it has any relationship to U.S. military salaries. A better comparison would be police and fire to national guard pay in a state that is having financial trouble.
That's not even a fair comparison either. Police and Fire pay, especially pensions, are heavily persuaded by unions, military pay is under direct government oversight, there are no unions representing military personnel.
It's reasonable to look at cuts in Police and Fire because many of the previous representatives have unduly promised benefits that could not have been afforded to begin with, thus contributing to many states shortfall in budgets.
I'm against this cut to military, they should get their standard 3% rate.
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That's not even a fair comparison either. Police and Fire pay, especially pensions, are heavily persuaded by unions, military pay is under direct government oversight, there are no unions representing military personnel.
It's reasonable to look at cuts in Police and Fire because many of the previous representatives have unduly promised benefits that could not have been afforded to begin with, thus contributing to many states shortfall in budgets.
I'm against this cut to military, they should get their standard 3% rate.
Good point. It's not something I'm really advocating. Just trying to help "Cy Tolliver" improve a poor analogy.
There are certain jobs that I don't mind funding: teachers, public safety, military, and the like. We don't pay them enough IMO.
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Given that all Federal Employee's have a pay freeze they should be glad they are getting any raise at all
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They're not average Americans.
Yes they are... most of them are EXTREMELY average... That's why they are privates when they go in.
So try again.
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If they want a raise, it should be offset by cuts somewhere else at least.
We are broke and its time to start being honest with everyone already about the true state of our monetary affairs.
In an ideal world we should give raises every year to the military, but guess what, we can't afford it, as well we can't afford most of the stuff we are doing.
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In an ideal world we should give raises every year to the military, but guess what, we can't afford it, as well we can't afford most of the stuff we are doing.
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Yes they are... most of them are EXTREMELY average... That's why they are privates when they go in.
So try again.
That's inaccurate. Most enlisted soldiers are privates when they enter, but nearly all officers are college graduates, and the majority of senior officers have graduate degrees.
And as I said earlier, what they do is uncommon. Unlike the overwhelming majority of Americans, they risk their lives to serve their country. They work longer hours. They sacrifice family relationships. They suffer severe emotional and physical injuries when involved in combat. They do what most people are unwilling to do.
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And as I said earlier, what they do is uncommon. Unlike the overwhelming majority of Americans, they risk their lives to serve their country. They work longer hours. They sacrifice family relationships. They suffer severe emotional and physical injuries when involved in combat. They do what most people are unwilling to do.
You've just described police officers, fire fighters, miners, commercial fishermen, steel workers....
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That's inaccurate. Most enlisted soldiers are privates when they enter, but nearly all officers are college graduates, and the majority of senior officers have graduate degrees.
And as I said earlier, what they do is uncommon. Unlike the overwhelming majority of Americans, they risk their lives to serve their country. They work longer hours. They sacrifice family relationships. They suffer severe emotional and physical injuries when involved in combat. They do what most people are unwilling to do.
The CHOOSE to do it.
Also, are you disagreeing that most people in the military are not in fact enlisted? There are more chiefs than Indians? Really?
Facts are... most people in the military are in fact average. Most people in the WORLD are in fact average. No matter what your job is.
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Liberals... ::)
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They're not average Americans.
It takes no special talents to enter the military. They are doing a job that needs to be done, but it's a job that they chose (and in most cases because of job security). There was never a promise of guaranteed wage increases.
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You've just described police officers, fire fighters, miners, commercial fishermen, steel workers....
Not really. At least not miners, commercial fishermen, and steelworkers.
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It takes no special talents to enter the military. They are doing a job that needs to be done, but it's a job that they chose (and in most cases because of job security). There was never a promise of guaranteed wage increases.
They aren't paid for the "special talents" before entering the service, it's the talents they develop while in it.
I find it comical how libs/dems have so little respect for the military......and yet they wonder why the military votes republican traditionally. A quick scan of this thread is very telling.
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Not really. At least not miners, commercial fishermen, and steelworkers.
Most people would say that those jobs are actually MORE dangerous than police officers. Firemen actually help people... cops don't help shit.
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They aren't paid for the "special talents" before entering the service, it's the talents they develop while in it.
I find it comical how libs/dems have so little respect for the military......and yet they wonder why the military votes republican traditionally. A quick scan of this thread is very telling.
Bullshit... This isn't about liberal. It's about facts.
I have no disrespect for the military, but you are going to say that they should be guaranteed a pay raise? Bullshit.
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The CHOOSE to do it.
Also, are you disagreeing that most people in the military are not in fact enlisted? There are more chiefs than Indians? Really?
Facts are... most people in the military are in fact average. Most people in the WORLD are in fact average. No matter what your job is.
Yes they choose to put themselves in harm's way to serve their country. That's largely what makes them so uncommon.
The majority of military personnel are enlisted. I was clarifying your comment, which I thought was saying all military members enter as privates.
We have different viewpoints on people. I think some folks are just cut from a different cloth. Doesn't necessarily make them better persons, but it does make them different.
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Bullshit... This isn't about liberal. It's about facts.
I have no disrespect for the military, but you are going to say that they should be guaranteed a pay raise? Bullshit.
Really, it's about the "facts" huh? So where in my post did I say ANYTHING about a raise, mr. facts? F'n nowhere.....its the overall anti-military attitude in the thread that is bullshit.
but I know the type well.....didn't have the guts to join the military, or were raised that it was beneath them somehow or are jealous of the attention that the military sometimes gets or maybe a Marine home on leave banged a girlfriend......who knows why, but the shit attitude is easy to spot.
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Wow......awsome thread...glad Tu decides that I'm both average and don't deserve a raise. Unlike the average civilian government employee we work long hours, especially deployed. DOD civilians, many of whom I'd like to strangle work 8-4. Those are hard and fast hours and if they're doing something for you, many times they pack up and leave, regardless of what you need. I just spend 13 months deployed...I worked on average from 7AM to 11 PM every day...everyday. The food sucked, the living conditions sucked..the Iraqi's sucked..I was paid well enough but the average American wouldn't put up with the crap we do..never mind heavy combat. I can deal with the current pay raise but I have a ton of time in and make good money..my guys worked the same hours for alot less pay...its not fair to them. There are plenty of places to cut...the military, favored whipping boy of the douchbag left, is'nt one of them.
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Good to see you back HH6, some of these guys should watch Restrepo, then see if you think what they do is average.
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Yeah....some of those kids were making 30K to suck down that shit...Afghanistan sucks.
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Yeah....some of those kids were making 30K to suck down that shit...Afghanistan sucks.
That documentary is eye opening, you hear about the 1000 yard stare, some of those guys had it.
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Wow......awsome thread...glad Tu decides that I'm both average and don't deserve a raise. Unlike the average civilian government employee we work long hours, especially deployed. DOD civilians, many of whom I'd like to strangle work 8-4. Those are hard and fast hours and if they're doing something for you, many times they pack up and leave, regardless of what you need. I just spend 13 months deployed...I worked on average from 7AM to 11 PM every day...everyday. The food sucked, the living conditions sucked..the Iraqi's sucked..I was paid well enough but the average American wouldn't put up with the crap we do..never mind heavy combat. I can deal with the current pay raise but I have a ton of time in and make good money..my guys worked the same hours for alot less pay...its not fair to them. There are plenty of places to cut...the military, favored whipping boy of the douchbag left, is'nt one of them.
Good to see you back, HH6! 8)
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Good to see you back HH6, some of these guys should watch Restrepo, then see if you think what they do is average.
I have that on the DVR and shall watch it, I've heard it's really good.
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They aren't paid for the "special talents" before entering the service, it's the talents they develop while in it.
I find it comical how libs/dems have so little respect for the military......and yet they wonder why the military votes republican traditionally. A quick scan of this thread is very telling.
I'm not liberal at all, just want the federal government to cut spending. I don't necessarily like wage cuts as a starting point, but everything has to be cut back; social security, medicare, welfare, education, defense. We overspend on everything.
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I'm not liberal at all, just want the federal government to cut spending. I don't necessarily like wage cuts as a starting point, but everything has to be cut back; social security, medicare, welfare, education, defense. We overspend on everything.
But cutting the pay in the military is a lame bailout....the real waste is in the massive defense contracts we have, R&D on projects just to pad the contractors pockets (porkbarrel for the politicians from those states), close some bases in foreign countries, etc... I agree we need to make cuts and get spending under control, but there are so many other areas that should be looked at first.
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Interesting. Leftists cry about the middle class getting fucked over and yet all soldiers fall into the middle class.
Guess it's only certain people in the middle class that matter.
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Interesting. Leftists cry about the middle class getting fucked over and yet all soldiers fall into the middle class.
Guess it's only certain people in the middle class that matter.
Bingo....and hell, when I was in, I was in the "poverty level" as an enlisted guy for a couple of years. We had guys on foodstamps that were active duty. They made so little they actually qualified..... :-\
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Wow......awsome thread...glad Tu decides that I'm both average and don't deserve a raise. Unlike the average civilian government employee we work long hours, especially deployed. DOD civilians, many of whom I'd like to strangle work 8-4. Those are hard and fast hours and if they're doing something for you, many times they pack up and leave, regardless of what you need. I just spend 13 months deployed...I worked on average from 7AM to 11 PM every day...everyday. The food sucked, the living conditions sucked..the Iraqi's sucked..I was paid well enough but the average American wouldn't put up with the crap we do..never mind heavy combat. I can deal with the current pay raise but I have a ton of time in and make good money..my guys worked the same hours for alot less pay...its not fair to them. There are plenty of places to cut...the military, favored whipping boy of the douchbag left, is'nt one of them.
Welcome back. :)
This pretty much sums it up.
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I'm not liberal at all, just want the federal government to cut spending.
Exactly, as far as I know the liberals are the ones who are fiscally irresponsible. Not the other way around.
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Exactly, as far as I know the liberals are the ones who are fiscally irresponsible. Not the other way around.
The difference between liberals and conservitives when it comes to spending comes down to this:
Liberals: Tax and Spend
Conservatives: Borrow and Spend
That's it.
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In an ideal world we should give raises every year to the military, but guess what, we can't afford it, as well we can't afford most of the stuff we are doing.
That pretty much says it all. It should be pretty clear to anyone with a brain that this is the new "normal". Get used to it.
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The difference between liberals and conservitives when it comes to spending comes down to this:
Liberals: Tax and Spend
Conservatives: Borrow and Spend
That's it.
Really? Liberals have done a great job showing us that they're just as much "borrow and spend" as the conservatives are.
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Interesting. Leftists cry about the middle class getting fucked over and yet all soldiers fall into the middle class.
Guess it's only certain people in the middle class that matter.
if they are in the middle class then they just got a tax cut and they (along with everyone else ) got a cut in their payroll tax as well
they are also the only federal employees who are not subject to a pay freeze
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Exactly, as far as I know the liberals are the ones who are fiscally irresponsible. Not the other way around.
then you don't know "very far"
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Really? Liberals have done a great job showing us that they're just as much "borrow and spend" as the conservatives are.
I was being a little facetious in the simplicity of that statement. Traditionally, that's where the parties have fallen but as of late there's really no difference if you want to be technical about where the money is coming from.
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Obama needs to slash the huge deficit in the budget.
State employees are a part of it.
I think a pay raise is in order. Perhaps even more than 1.4%.
But perhaps not all employees in the military and other parts of the government should be working for tax dollars.
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Big deal... That's bullshit.
They choose to join the military. They CHOOSE the life.
NO ONE gets a guaranteed pay raise in life. That's as socialist as you can get.
No, socialist is virtually paying people NOT to work for nearly two years (aka the "99ers").
Only in Obama's goofball administration do those who actually work get a meager pay raise, while those that don't get bumps almost indefinitely.
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Wow......awsome thread...glad Tu decides that I'm both average and don't deserve a raise. Unlike the average civilian government employee we work long hours, especially deployed. DOD civilians, many of whom I'd like to strangle work 8-4. Those are hard and fast hours and if they're doing something for you, many times they pack up and leave, regardless of what you need. I just spend 13 months deployed...I worked on average from 7AM to 11 PM every day...everyday. The food sucked, the living conditions sucked..the Iraqi's sucked..I was paid well enough but the average American wouldn't put up with the crap we do..never mind heavy combat. I can deal with the current pay raise but I have a ton of time in and make good money..my guys worked the same hours for alot less pay...its not fair to them. There are plenty of places to cut...the military, favored whipping boy of the douchbag left, is'nt one of them.
I thought KBR made the good grub for the troops.
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Wow......awsome thread...glad Tu decides that I'm both average and don't deserve a raise. Unlike the average civilian government employee we work long hours, especially deployed. DOD civilians, many of whom I'd like to strangle work 8-4. Those are hard and fast hours and if they're doing something for you, many times they pack up and leave, regardless of what you need. I just spend 13 months deployed...I worked on average from 7AM to 11 PM every day...everyday. The food sucked, the living conditions sucked..the Iraqi's sucked..I was paid well enough but the average American wouldn't put up with the crap we do..never mind heavy combat. I can deal with the current pay raise but I have a ton of time in and make good money..my guys worked the same hours for alot less pay...its not fair to them. There are plenty of places to cut...the military, favored whipping boy of the douchbag left, is'nt one of them.
Cry me a river... You're damn right I don't think you should get a raise.
I'm not saying you shouldn't EVER get one, but in the real world, when your business isn't making a profit, it's employees don't get raises.
I've gone 2 years without one, even having stellar reviews... You think you're better than ME?
Screw that.
I'm not saying you don't do your job well, I'm saying that when an entity isn't making money, they can't afford to get raises.
Sorry buddy, but you work for ME... The civilian who pays for you every day.
You don't like it, WAAAAH. That's the way the world works.
Don't get started on the liberal shit either... It makes you look retarded. I think Medicare, Social Security, and the Military all need to get cut.
Civilian Military people should be cut the same and they should be forced to actually earn their pay... Also they shouldn't be getting any raises either.
You ain't special.
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Really? Liberals have done a great job showing us that they're just as much "borrow and spend" as the conservatives are.
They are both exactly the same... The only difference is the Liberals want to tax you more, even though the taxes still don't equate to the budget shortfall every year... Not even close.
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I thought KBR made the good grub for the troops.
They do man.
I worked for 3 weeks at West Point and the enlisted people (read real workers) were not allowed to eat with the Cadets and their grub was fucking great.
Like 5 bucks got you all you could eat everything from steak and lobster to any kind of desert.
They ate better than damn near anyone I've ever seen on the cheap.
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They do man.
I worked for 3 weeks at West Point and the enlisted people (read real workers) were not allowed to eat with the Cadets and their grub was fucking great.
Like 5 bucks got you all you could eat everything from steak and lobster to any kind of desert.
They ate better than damn near anyone I've ever seen on the cheap.
I love te Patton Statue over there. Going there as a kid was great.
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I love te Patton Statue over there. Going there as a kid was great.
I didn't get there until after 9/11, but I gotta say... The campus is beautiful and the place has a real air of history about it.
It makes me rethink my choices in my collegiate past. Sometimes I think being an officer would be kinda nice.
I still wouldn't and SHOULDN'T be guaranteed a pay raise.
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I didn't get there until after 9/11, but I gotta say... The campus is beautiful and the place has a real air of history about it.
It makes me rethink my choices in my collegiate past. Sometimes I think being an officer would be kinda nice.
I still wouldn't and SHOULDN'T be guaranteed a pay raise.
I had a frend who went there who died in Iraq and i buried in the West Point cemetery. That was a terrible day going to that funeral there.
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I had a frend who went there who died in Iraq and i buried in the West Point cemetery. That was a terrible day going to that funeral there.
Sorry for your loss.
He had no business dying on foreign soil.
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Sorry for your loss.
He had no business dying on foreign soil.
The wierd part was watching cadets go by and thinking hat must be going through their head while we were all there burying him.
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The wierd part was watching cadets go by and thinking hat must be going through their head while we were all there burying him.
Some I bet... A lot of those cadets are going to have some nice cushy job because they are kids of a senator or something.
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