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Title: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: cephissus on December 13, 2010, 07:30:18 PM
Today I got home and thought, "I've had it!  I can't go through another crappy workout!"  The thought of doing arms and shoulders tomorrow, getting no pump, lifting no weight, and going home dejected again only to cram my face full of chicken and rice, hoping "better luck next time!" made me sick.

I've been "bodybuilding" for seven, almost eight years now and only just recently started reading getbig.  Before this, I had no idea how prevalent steroid use was outside of professional and amateur competition, or that mutant physiques could be achieved in just a few months with the right drugs and a solid foundation!  Anyway that's somewhat beside the point.

The point is, bodybuilding just isn't rewarding for me anymore, and hasn't been for a long time, now that I think about it.  I've always had an obsessive drive in the gym, and this got me hurt many, many times.  I rarely did research on training technique unless I had an injury and couldn't progress.  And even then, I would rather push through and eek out one more rep just to beat the logbook than pay attention to my body's warning signals.  Eventually I learned that I had to listen to my instincts in the gym, but I'm afraid it's too late.  These days, every time I set foot in the gym I feel like I'm walking on pins and needles -- one false move and my lower back is out for a week.  Additionally my muscles feel dead and unresponsive probably ninety percent of the time, which is by far the most frustrating feeling.

I don't mean to ramble, so I'll wrap this up.  Tonight, I decided to lose it all.  All my fat, and maybe even all my muscle (we'll see).  Especially I want to lose this massive, distended gut (my waistline is over 42 inches now from massive overeating -- 5500 clean calories a day).  Another factor contributing to my decision is my genetic predisposition for hypertension.  I've spent the last several years of my life probably above 150 / 80-90, and that has to change sooner or later.

After reading wavelengths dieting strategy, I've decided to make a diet plan tonight, and for once take things in the opposite direction.  I'll do my best in the gym, three times a week, but honestly at this point I don't even care if I lose lots of muscle.  After thinking about my workouts and analyzing everything day and night in hopes of further progress, I've come to the conclusion that the best thing for me right now is to simply lay off and hope my body can repair itself.  If that happens, maybe I'll come back some day, and use all that I've learned to do things right.

Anyway, enough dreariness!  :D

I want to go from this:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/Lurmonious/Photo47.jpg?t=1292294943)
(~257 lbs)

back to this:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/Lurmonious/some_dive_.jpg?t=1292297230)
(~185 lbs -- I had no legs  :o)

and beyond!
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: johnnynoname on December 13, 2010, 07:34:26 PM
where is the time machine you used to find a black and white camera?
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Alexander D on December 13, 2010, 07:35:16 PM
Who in the blue hell are you? And I really don't think ANYONE would really read your entire post.

Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: cephissus on December 13, 2010, 07:37:24 PM
im new, of course.

short version:  sick of cramming my face all day, trying to work around injuries, being a lumbering mess, etc.

time to drop the weight!
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: haider on December 13, 2010, 07:38:09 PM
Who in the blue hell are you? And I really don't think ANYONE would really read your entire post.


:-[

u look like u hold some good muscle there cephissus  8)
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: DK II on December 13, 2010, 07:39:17 PM
Today I got home and thought, "I've had it!  I can't go through another crappy workout!"  The thought of doing arms and shoulders tomorrow, getting no pump, lifting no weight, and going home dejected again only to cram my face full of chicken and rice, hoping "better luck next time!" made me sick.

I've been "bodybuilding" for seven, almost eight years now and only just recently started reading getbig.  Before this, I had no idea how prevalent steroid use was outside of professional and amateur competition, or that mutant physiques could be achieved in just a few months with the right drugs and a solid foundation!  Anyway that's somewhat beside the point.

The point is, bodybuilding just isn't rewarding for me anymore, and hasn't been for a long time, now that I think about it.  I've always had an obsessive drive in the gym, and this got me hurt many, many times.  I rarely did research on training technique unless I had an injury and couldn't progress.  And even then, I would rather push through and eek out one more rep just to beat the logbook than pay attention to my body's warning signals.  Eventually I learned that I had to listen to my instincts in the gym, but I'm afraid it's too late.  These days, every time I set foot in the gym I feel like I'm walking on pins and needles -- one false move and my lower back is out for a week.  Additionally my muscles feel dead and unresponsive probably ninety percent of the time, which is by far the most frustrating feeling.

I don't mean to ramble, so I'll wrap this up.  Tonight, I decided to lose it all.  All my fat, and maybe even all my muscle (we'll see).  Especially I want to lose this massive, distended gut (my waistline is over 42 inches now from massive overeating -- 5500 clean calories a day).  Another factor contributing to my decision is my genetic predisposition for hypertension.  I've spent the last several years of my life probably above 150 / 80-90, and that has to change sooner or later.

After reading wavelengths dieting strategy, I've decided to make a diet plan tonight, and for once take things in the opposite direction.  I'll do my best in the gym, three times a week, but honestly at this point I don't even care if I lose lots of muscle.  After thinking about my workouts and analyzing everything day and night in hopes of further progress, I've come to the conclusion that the best thing for me right now is to simply lay off and hope my body can repair itself.  If that happens, maybe I'll come back some day, and use all that I've learned to do things right.

Anyway, enough dreariness!  :D

I want to go from this:


and beyond!

You're an idiot.

Why not diet right, eat good stuff, do some HIIT cardio, lose the fat and keep the muscle??

Don't be another pussy idiot that tries to diet on junk food and lose muscle.

Do it right, you will be rewarded.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: cephissus on December 13, 2010, 07:42:05 PM
I'm planning on doing all that, except HIIT!

I might do HIIT if it seems necessary, but I was going to try to follow wavelength's protocol first.  Any I'm not really going to go out of my way to lose muscle, it's just that I don't expect to be able to hang onto it while dieting down because my workouts suck so much these days from all the injuries.


Also,

:-[

u look like u hold some good muscle there cephissus  8)

Thanks!
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Alexander D on December 13, 2010, 07:44:50 PM
im new, of course.

short version:  sick of cramming my face all day, trying to work around injuries, being a lumbering mess, etc.

time to drop the weight!

I was talking to Sal... LOL jk
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: DK II on December 13, 2010, 07:46:15 PM
I'm planning on doing all that, except HIIT!

I might do HIIT if it seems necessary, but I was going to try to follow wavelength's protocol first.  Any I'm not really going to go out of my way to lose muscle, it's just that I don't expect to be able to hang onto it while dieting down because my workouts suck so much these days from all the injuries.


Also,

Thanks!

Well, have your way but don't say i didn't warn you afterwards.

Have fun with 100g protein shakes and one junk meal daily.  :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on December 13, 2010, 07:48:49 PM
Excellent use of the Kamali photography principles
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Firemuscle on December 13, 2010, 07:53:09 PM
 I totally agree with the OP and I made the same decision a while back. I decided to go for good shape, cuts, and athleticism. And I decided to stop the bulking and meathead regimen.

 And surprisingly, my training is still going awesome, it's gotten a lot better. I have barely lost any strength.

 I feel better. I get better pumps and more motivated to lift. I've got vascularity, and look better. Blood pressure dropped down.

 Women are attracted to my body again. Face it guys, women DON'T like a chubby guy no matter how much muscle he's carrying underneath.

 It's better all around to just go for health instead of permabulking. Like the OP said, the proper combo of drugs can turn someone into a mutant within months. So why go through a strict bulking regimen as a natty? It's just kinda stupid.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Cableguy on December 13, 2010, 07:55:07 PM
Today I got home and thought, "I've had it!  I can't go through another crappy workout!"  The thought of doing arms and shoulders tomorrow, getting no pump, lifting no weight, and going home dejected again only to cram my face full of chicken and rice, hoping "better luck next time!" made me sick.

I've been "bodybuilding" for seven, almost eight years now and only just recently started reading getbig.  Before this, I had no idea how prevalent steroid use was outside of professional and amateur competition, or that mutant physiques could be achieved in just a few months with the right drugs and a solid foundation!  Anyway that's somewhat beside the point.

The point is, bodybuilding just isn't rewarding for me anymore, and hasn't been for a long time, now that I think about it.  I've always had an obsessive drive in the gym, and this got me hurt many, many times.  I rarely did research on training technique unless I had an injury and couldn't progress.  And even then, I would rather push through and eek out one more rep just to beat the logbook than pay attention to my body's warning signals.  Eventually I learned that I had to listen to my instincts in the gym, but I'm afraid it's too late.  These days, every time I set foot in the gym I feel like I'm walking on pins and needles -- one false move and my lower back is out for a week.  Additionally my muscles feel dead and unresponsive probably ninety percent of the time, which is by far the most frustrating feeling.

I don't mean to ramble, so I'll wrap this up.  Tonight, I decided to lose it all.  All my fat, and maybe even all my muscle (we'll see).  Especially I want to lose this massive, distended gut (my waistline is over 42 inches now from massive overeating -- 5500 clean calories a day).  Another factor contributing to my decision is my genetic predisposition for hypertension.  I've spent the last several years of my life probably above 150 / 80-90, and that has to change sooner or later.

After reading wavelengths dieting strategy, I've decided to make a diet plan tonight, and for once take things in the opposite direction.  I'll do my best in the gym, three times a week, but honestly at this point I don't even care if I lose lots of muscle.  After thinking about my workouts and analyzing everything day and night in hopes of further progress, I've come to the conclusion that the best thing for me right now is to simply lay off and hope my body can repair itself.  If that happens, maybe I'll come back some day, and use all that I've learned to do things right.

Anyway, enough dreariness!  :D

I want to go from this:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/Lurmonious/Photo47.jpg?t=1292294943)
(~257 lbs)

back to this:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/Lurmonious/some_dive_.jpg?t=1292297230)
(~185 lbs -- I had no legs  :o)

and beyond!

M-E-L-T-D-O-W-N... :'(
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: cephissus on December 13, 2010, 07:58:58 PM
Ahhh, my first melt! :)

Also thanks blackflag, I'm glad to hear it's going good for you!

Like I said, I may try to get big again in the future, after my body heals, and equipped with the knowledge I've gained from almost a decade of lifting... but I'd like to see how I feel after dropping a lot of weight and staying that way for a while.

I can definitely tell you I'm already looking forward to the reduced amount of eating, very, very much!!!
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: DK II on December 13, 2010, 08:02:57 PM
Ahhh, my first melt! :)

Also thanks blackflag, I'm glad to hear it's going good for you!

Like I said, I may try to get big again in the future, after my body heals, and equipped with the knowledge I've gained from almost a decade of lifting... but I'd like to see how I feel after dropping a lot of weight and staying that way for a while.

I can definitely tell you I'm already looking forward to the reduced amount of eating, very, very much!!!

Dude, you want to diet because you were lazy over a few years and got fat, don't make it look special.

Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: TacoBell on December 13, 2010, 08:04:12 PM
Ahhh, my first melt! :)

Also thanks blackflag, I'm glad to hear it's going good for you!

Like I said, I may try to get big again in the future, after my body heals, and equipped with the knowledge I've gained from almost a decade of lifting... but I'd like to see how I feel after dropping a lot of weight and staying that way for a while.

I can definitely tell you I'm already looking forward to the reduced amount of eating, very, very much!!!

Dont throw in the towel!  Tie it around your neck and hang yourself instead.
Welcome to thunderdome, bitch.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: cephissus on December 13, 2010, 08:04:33 PM
Well, have your way but don't say i didn't warn you afterwards.

Have fun with 100g protein shakes and one junk meal daily.  :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X

I'm working out my new diet right now.

My main meal is going to be chicken tenders mixed with rice and a little olive oil and salsa with some fruit on the side.  In the morning I'll have muesli and some protein powder.  Post workout, a little shake of oats, milk, olive oil, and protein powder.

So far I've planned out about 3000 calories of it, need another 500 since I'm gonna start by shooting for 3500 cal/day.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: makaveli25 on December 13, 2010, 08:07:13 PM
I feel ya bro some people don't have the genetics. I just strained my bicep real bad and found out I have some nerve impingment in my back. I'm seeing a good Chriropractor. He took xrays first visit only charges me 10 bucks for session I get a 45 minute massage to. It's really helping. He showed me picture of my spine where it's messed up so I know what I'm deeling with. Plus if you loose 10-15 pounds you will be amazed how much better you feel.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Army of One on December 13, 2010, 08:07:44 PM
Clever gimmick, be interested to see which direction he takes it, Im thinking an adonis gimmick whereby the "guy" claims to eat ice cream and bath in sugar water and gets back to a ripped 185 in 3 months?
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: cephissus on December 13, 2010, 08:08:44 PM
Dude, you want to diet because you were lazy over a few years and got fat, don't make it look special.

:)

I crammed my face religiously with meals I hated, worked out six days a week, and tirelessly sought to improve my performance in the gym by learning more and trying to correct issues with recovery, flexibility, diet, lifting technique, etc.

I beat my body into a pulp and forced it to keep going.  I know the results aren't that great, but what can I say... I was very very stupid in the gym for a long time.

And now my body just won't cooperate.  That's all that's happened, nothing more, nothing less.  Laziness, however, is one thing I don't think I can be accused of.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: DK II on December 13, 2010, 08:10:04 PM
I'm working out my new diet right now.

My main meal is going to be chicken tenders mixed with rice and a little olive oil and salsa with some fruit on the side.  In the morning I'll have muesli and some protein powder.  Post workout, a little shake of oats, milk, olive oil, and protein powder.

So far I've planned out about 3000 calories of it, need another 500 since I'm gonna start by shooting for 3500 cal/day.

LOL, what's that to do with wavelength principles??

WL principles means starve yourself to death on one big junk food meal and protein shakes without cardio every day.

Do you have any clue about what your calorie needs are?? You are natural and want to "diet" on 3500 calories?

Sorry pal, diet sucks, no cardio, you will fail badly.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: DK II on December 13, 2010, 08:11:12 PM
:)

I crammed my face religiously with meals I hated, worked out six days a week, and tirelessly sought to improve my performance in the gym by learning more and trying to correct issues with recovery, flexibility, diet, lifting technique, etc.

I beat my body into a pulp and forced it to keep going.  I know the results aren't that great, but what can I say... I was very very stupid in the gym for a long time.

And now my body just won't cooperate.  That's all that's happened, nothing more, nothing less.  Laziness, however, is one thing I don't think I can be accused of.

And now you are going to make the next mistake with this ridiculous diet.

Have fun.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: cephissus on December 13, 2010, 08:11:39 PM
I feel ya bro some people don't have the genetics. I just strained my bicep real bad and found out I have some nerve impingment in my back. I'm seeing a good Chriropractor. He took xrays first visit only charges me 10 bucks for session I get a 45 minute massage to. It's really helping. He showed me picture of my spine where it's messed up so I know what I'm deeling with. Plus if you loose 10-15 pounds you will be amazed how much better you feel.

Does the nerve impingement interfere with your ability to use your muscles?  I feel like I could certainly have a problem like that.

Things might be different if I had a lot of money and access to good, knowledgeable physicians, but at this point I think all I can do is sit back and see if things work themselves out while I try to lose some weight.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on December 13, 2010, 08:12:08 PM
I feel ya bro some people don't have the genetics. I just strained my bicep real bad and found out I have some nerve impingment in my back. I'm seeing a good Chriropractor. He took xrays first visit only charges me 10 bucks for session I get a 45 minute massage to. It's really helping. He showed me picture of my spine where it's messed up so I know what I'm deeling with. Plus if you loose 10-15 pounds you will be amazed how much better you feel.

Don't forget to tell this guy about the bill you got in the mail for $250 for what your Chriropractor called "an oral examination" ;)
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: cephissus on December 13, 2010, 08:13:30 PM
LOL, what's that to do with wavelength principles??

WL principles means starve yourself to death on one big junk food meal and protein shakes without cardio every day.

Do you have any clue about what your calorie needs are?? You are natural and want to "diet" on 3500 calories?

Sorry pal, diet sucks, no cardio, you will fail badly.

Oh, maybe I'm mistaken?  I'm going off what I read in this post (which has also been posted on getbig):

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=312607141&postcount=1305

I now stay at a pretty steady bodyweight at about 4500 calories, so I figure 3500 should be enough to get things moving in the opposite direction.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Firemuscle on December 13, 2010, 08:15:12 PM
 LMAO at people who count calories and plan meals.

 I just eat what I feel like, when I feel like it.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: makaveli25 on December 13, 2010, 08:19:32 PM
Does the nerve impingement interfere with your ability to use your muscles?  I feel like I could certainly have a problem like that.

Things might be different if I had a lot of money and access to good, knowledgeable physicians, but at this point I think all I can do is sit back and see if things work themselves out while I try to lose some weight.

The impingments make my arms go numb and I get pain going all the way down my elbow. My neck hurts like hell all the time to. Doc sayed they're impinged in the c5, c6 area. I have bad posture so it makes it worse plus I'm hunched over the computer alot I need a better chair and desk to use. If you have insurnace I would try to find a doc. If you can't get to a doc figure out some good streches to do and give your body some time to heal.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Rami on December 13, 2010, 08:19:56 PM
:)

I crammed my face religiously with meals I hated, worked out six days a week, and tirelessly sought to improve my performance in the gym by learning more and trying to correct issues with recovery, flexibility, diet, lifting technique, etc.

I beat my body into a pulp and forced it to keep going.  I know the results aren't that great, but what can I say... I was very very stupid in the gym for a long time.

And now my body just won't cooperate.  That's all that's happened, nothing more, nothing less.  Laziness, however, is one thing I don't think I can be accused of.

probably need to give it a rest always trying to lift as hard as possible and eat as much as possible, you will be surprised how fast you bounce back and ready to go at it again.

that's what usually happens, workload in the gym goes up you food intake go up and so on, until you are maxed out and then keeping at it until you burn out severely. that used to always happen to me, in terms of what you can do. then you should to take a break if you can make yourself to take a break that's hardest part.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: epic_alien on December 13, 2010, 08:20:53 PM
I'm planning on doing all that, except HIIT!

I might do HIIT if it seems necessary, but I was going to try to follow wavelength's protocol first.  Any I'm not really going to go out of my way to lose muscle, it's just that I don't expect to be able to hang onto it while dieting down because my workouts suck so much these days from all the injuries.


Also,

Thanks!

ok im gonna tell you how it is, you have not been bodybuilding for 8 years. bodybuilding is about training the whole physique and matching the whole thing together. you do not train legs. in your mind you might think so, but belive me you dont. you want to be lean and just look good from the waist up. thats fine, allot of guys have this goal and its ok. but you are and never were bodybuilding. ok., now if your lean look is your goal, stop eating immediately, do cardio and thats all.

you dont need drugs to be 185 with stick legs. ok. so stop crying and get on the fucking stepmill, or something. and stop fucking eating.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: dogbowl on December 13, 2010, 08:21:40 PM
You look great in the second pic.  I don't understand why you wanted to move away from that physique in the first place

Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: cephissus on December 13, 2010, 08:24:58 PM
probably need to give it a rest always trying to lift as hard as possible and eat as much as possible, you will be surprised how fast you bounce back and ready to go at it again.

that's what usually happens, workload in the gym goes up you food intake go up and so on, until you are maxed out and then keeping at it until you burn out severely. that used to always happen to me, in terms of what you can do. then you should to take a break if you can make yourself to take a break that's hardest part.

How long would you say is needed?  This sounds like me.  And yes, taking a break is very, very hard!  I need to see progress, so that's why I've set myself up with a goal that heads in the opposite direction.

ok im gonna tell you how it is, you have not been bodybuilding for 8 years. bodybuilding is about training the whole physique and matching the whole thing together. you do not train legs. in your mind you might think so, but belive me you dont. you want to be lean and just look good from the waist up. thats fine, allot of guys have this goal and its ok. but you are and never were bodybuilding. ok., now if your lean look is your goal, stop eating immediately, do cardio and thats all.

you dont need drugs to be 185 with stick legs. ok. so stop crying and get on the fucking stepmill, or something. and stop fucking eating.

LOL I train legs!  You have to understand how pathetic my legs used to be... I literally could not tell I had any muscle on them.  I would press into them and hit bone immediately.  Also, I have had very horrible squat technique for many years which never allowed me to lift more than 315, or 4 plates a side on the hacksquat.  I think I've corrected my technique, but lots of damage has been done in my lower back, which I think needs some serious time to heal.  They measure 26 in. from 4 inches above the knee.  I realize I have weak legs though, and weak arms.  I wanted desperately to bring up all my bodyparts to the same level but I've had enough.  Maybe next time.

You look great in the second pic.  I don't understand why you wanted to move away from that physique in the first place

At that time I had no legs, and I was very very small.  That pic is misleading.  I weighed 185 probably 8% bf at 6'3".  I agree, from the front with no shirt I looked decent to the average person.  But I wanted to look like a bodybuilder!  I wouldn't mind looking like that now, especially as I have a more even physique overall these days.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Firemuscle on December 13, 2010, 08:28:42 PM
 I don't understand why some guys injure themselves so much. I've been lifitng since 1994 and never injured myself. Except one time when some weights fell in my face.

 Just lift smart and use tension instead of destroying yourself.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: cephissus on December 13, 2010, 08:33:38 PM
I don't understand why some guys injure themselves so much. I've been lifitng since 1994 and never injured myself. Except one time when some weights fell in my face.

 Just lift smart and use tension instead of destroying yourself.

Some people are more susceptible to injury, and additionally some are very stupid, such as I, and try to lift the weights regardless of what their body tells them.  I came into bodybuilding thinking that I needed to give 200% effort and destroy myself or else I wasn't going to grow an ounce.  I know better now but I feel like the damage has been done.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: chaos on December 13, 2010, 08:43:20 PM
Today I got home and thought, "I've had it!  I can't go through another crappy workout!"  The thought of doing arms and shoulders tomorrow, getting no pump, lifting no weight, and going home dejected again only to cram my face full of chicken and rice, hoping "better luck next time!" made me sick.

I've been "bodybuilding" for seven, almost eight years now and only just recently started reading getbig.  Before this, I had no idea how prevalent steroid use was outside of professional and amateur competition, or that mutant physiques could be achieved in just a few months with the right drugs and a solid foundation!  Anyway that's somewhat beside the point.

The point is, bodybuilding just isn't rewarding for me anymore, and hasn't been for a long time, now that I think about it.  I've always had an obsessive drive in the gym, and this got me hurt many, many times.  I rarely did research on training technique unless I had an injury and couldn't progress.  And even then, I would rather push through and eek out one more rep just to beat the logbook than pay attention to my body's warning signals.  Eventually I learned that I had to listen to my instincts in the gym, but I'm afraid it's too late.  These days, every time I set foot in the gym I feel like I'm walking on pins and needles -- one false move and my lower back is out for a week.  Additionally my muscles feel dead and unresponsive probably ninety percent of the time, which is by far the most frustrating feeling.

I don't mean to ramble, so I'll wrap this up.  Tonight, I decided to lose it all.  All my fat, and maybe even all my muscle (we'll see).  Especially I want to lose this massive, distended gut (my waistline is over 42 inches now from massive overeating -- 5500 clean calories a day).  Another factor contributing to my decision is my genetic predisposition for hypertension.  I've spent the last several years of my life probably above 150 / 80-90, and that has to change sooner or later.

After reading wavelengths dieting strategy, I've decided to make a diet plan tonight, and for once take things in the opposite direction.  I'll do my best in the gym, three times a week, but honestly at this point I don't even care if I lose lots of muscle.  After thinking about my workouts and analyzing everything day and night in hopes of further progress, I've come to the conclusion that the best thing for me right now is to simply lay off and hope my body can repair itself.  If that happens, maybe I'll come back some day, and use all that I've learned to do things right.

Anyway, enough dreariness!  :D

I want to go from this:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/Lurmonious/Photo47.jpg?t=1292294943)
(~257 lbs)

back to this:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/Lurmonious/some_dive_.jpg?t=1292297230)
(~185 lbs -- I had no legs  :o)

and beyond!
Nice meltdown, cyphilis.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Reeves on December 13, 2010, 08:48:08 PM
Nice meltdown, cyphilis.

Actually "chaos", if my memory is correct his screen name shares a similarity with your own.  Both are based in ancient Greek/Roman mythology.  Not in STDs. Unless of course your's pays homage to the enemies of Maxwell Smart.  You're welcome.  ;D
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: chaos on December 13, 2010, 08:56:56 PM
Actually "chaos", if my memory is correct his screen name shares a similarity with your own.  Both are based in ancient Greek/Roman mythology.  Not in STDs. Unless of course your's pays homage to the enemies of Maxwell Smart.  You're welcome.  ;D
Are you fucking retarded ???
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Reeves on December 13, 2010, 09:05:18 PM
Are you fucking retarded ???

No, but I'll wager you are, you simple minded product of an incestuous relationship coupled with a decade or more of arduous drug ingestion.  WTF?  You're barking up the wrong tree, or in your particular case, you're trying to hump the wrong leg, sport.  Ordinarily, people live and learn but you, you just live.  You're lucky that both respiratory and circulatory systems in the human body are involuntary, elsewise you'd die from the mental effort of breathing alone.

If you want to try and fuck with someone, go find a close relative.  Oh...wait.  There are too many syllables in the majority of my words.  Here, let me "chaosize" it for you.  Fuck off.

By the way, you dolt.  I was complementing you on your choice in screen names.  Perhaps I was wrong about you.  Much like the person that told you to be yourself.  Keep it up ace.  ;D
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: chaos on December 13, 2010, 09:07:46 PM
No, but I'll wager you are, you simple minded product of an incestuous relationship coupled with a decade or more of arduous drug ingestion.  WTF?  You're barking up the wrong tree, or in your particular case, you're trying to hump the wrong leg, sport.  Ordinarily, people live and learn but you, you just live.  You're lucky that both respiratory and circulatory systems in the human body are involuntary, elsewise you'd die from the mental effort of breathing alone.

If you want to try and fuck with someone, go find a close relative.  Oh...wait.  There are too many syllables in the majority of my words.  Here, let me "chaosize" it for you.  Fuck off.

By the way, you dolt.  I was complementing you on your choice in screen names.  Perhaps I was wrong about you.  Much like the person that told you to be yourself.  Keep it up ace.  ;D
Nice meltdown No0b, run along back to your comic books and fizzy fountain drinks.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: cephissus on December 13, 2010, 09:09:51 PM
Thanks for the kind words, reeves!

And you too, chaos!

 :D
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Reeves on December 13, 2010, 09:15:21 PM
Nice meltdown No0b, run along back to your comic books and fizzy fountain drinks.

Look short shit, you've a wonderful economy with words.  Run along now, but be certain to stay out of even the shallow end of the gene pool.  You're already way over your head.  ;D A hundred monkeys banging on typewriters would sooner write the Great American Novel than you utter a word that makes sense.  Buddah, but you are one stupid fellow.  
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: TacoBell on December 13, 2010, 09:15:33 PM
Nice meltdown, cyphilis.

 ;D
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Firemuscle on December 13, 2010, 09:17:09 PM
Look short shit, you've a wonderful economy with words.  Run along now, but be certain to stay out of even the shallow end of the gene pool.  You're already way over your head.  ;D A hundred monkeys banging on typewriters would sooner write the Great American Novel than you utter a word that makes sense.  Buddah, but you are one stupid fellow.  

 He's Forrest Gump.

 RUN FORREST RUN!!!
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: chaos on December 13, 2010, 09:20:48 PM
Look short shit,  
You're not talking to Swede here, you would look up to me.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Reeves on December 13, 2010, 09:36:34 PM
You're not talking to Swede here, you would look up to me.

Allow me to be blunt.  I'm not tall, but I only look up to people that deserve it.  That used to be you.  Apparently you can't take a compliment regarding the origin of your screen name.  Well, if you're going to try and insult someone be prepared to receive some in return but mine reflect style.  Yours?  Like a turd, they reflect nothing and gather only flies. 

Treat me with respect and friendship and I will gladly do likewise.  The choice is yours.  By the way, pal.  You don't know me. This is the internet and no one really knows what to expect in person but to be honest at my age and temperament I don't give a fuck.  I will give you all the respect you deserve and every insult you earn.  Choose wisely, tall man.  ;D
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Reeves on December 13, 2010, 09:37:48 PM
Thanks for the kind words, reeves!

And you too, chaos!

 :D

You are welcome and more than deserving.  All the best!
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: chaos on December 13, 2010, 09:39:10 PM
Allow me to be blunt.  I'm not tall, but I only look up to people that deserve it.  That used to be you.  Apparently you can't take a compliment regarding the origin of your screen name.  Well, if you're going to try and insult someone be prepared to receive some in return but mine reflect style.  Yours?  Like a turd, they reflect nothing and gather only flies. 

Treat me with respect and friendship and I will gladly do likewise.  The choice is yours.  By the way, pal.  You don't know me. This is the internet and no one really knows what to expect in person but to be honest at my age and temperament I don't give a fuck.  I will give you all the respect you deserve and every insult you earn.  Choose wisely, tall man.  ;D
Wow, you take this whole thing quite seriously, huh?








LOL @ U!! ;D
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Reeves on December 13, 2010, 09:40:24 PM
Wow, you take this whole thing quite seriously, huh?








LOL @ U!! ;D

No more than you. ;D
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: chaos on December 13, 2010, 09:45:27 PM
No more than you. ;D
I've never melted like this........

Quote
Treat me with respect and friendship and I will gladly do likewise.  The choice is yours.  By the way, pal.  You don't know me. This is the internet and no one really knows what to expect in person but to be honest at my age and temperament I don't give a fuck.  I will give you all the respect you deserve and every insult you earn.  Choose wisely, tall man.

That's some serious shit right there, deep, thought provoking and fabulously entertaining.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Reeves on December 13, 2010, 09:52:12 PM
I've never melted like this........

That's some serious shit right there, deep, thought provoking and fabulously entertaining.

"Melted"?  Surely you jest?  I rarely get angry and never so on a silly board.  Consider it a lessen in proper insult.  Fairly well written and pretty much extemporaneous (i.e., off the cuff) as well.   What was that line from "Blazing Saddles"?  I can't recall.  My mind fails me.  Again.  ;D  Now then, I am old and in need of rest, oh young and tall man.  A war of words, even one as lopsided as this takes a toll on an old fart such as I.    Good night.   ;)
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Dokey111 on December 13, 2010, 10:04:10 PM
I don't understand why some guys injure themselves so much. I've been lifitng since 1994 and never injured myself. Except one time when some weights fell in my face.

 Just lift smart and use tension instead of destroying yourself.

are you starting to catch on that nobody gives a fuck about you yet?
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Firemuscle on December 13, 2010, 10:05:52 PM
are you starting to catch on that nobody gives a fuck about you yet?

 Sure "Dokey", whatever you say.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: chaos on December 13, 2010, 10:14:06 PM
"Melted"?  Surely you jest?  I rarely get angry and never so on a silly board.  Consider it a lessen in proper insult.  Fairly well written and pretty much extemporaneous (i.e., off the cuff) as well.   What was that line from "Blazing Saddles"?  I can't recall.  My mind fails me.  Again.  ;D  Now then, I am old and in need of rest, oh young and tall man.  A war of words, even one as lopsided as this takes a toll on an old fart such as I.    Good night.   ;)
Careful patting yourself on the back so much, you may fall and break a hip.


Rest well old timer.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: buselmo on December 13, 2010, 10:32:54 PM
look up some of gironda's training routines or serge nubrets training...
eat the way gironda describes (mostly beef and eggs all day long whenever you're hungry)
don't count calories, just make sure you eat 2-3 meals a day (you'll get really hungry eventually)
take a fat burner and increase the dose every 2 weeks (i'm assuming you're natural)

5500 cals? why the hell did you do that? a pro or a big guy will tell you they eat 6-7000 cals so that they don't have to tell you that they take 3-4 grams of gear eating 2-3000 cals of junk and look like they aren't dedicated or lazy.

follow what's written up there and you'll be ripped in 8 weeks... 6 weeks if you add a little clen and ephedrine. if you want to do it even faster, and then gain your muscle back after you've lost all your fat... do some cardio for 20 minutes and increase by 10 minutes every week.

eating massive amounts of cals and feeling like shit all day while looking like shit is the reason why most people get depressed about bodybuilding... btw, you look good and you don't have a lot of work to do to get back to that condition at 185 lbs unless you're storing 60 lbs of fat on your back
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: gh15 on December 13, 2010, 10:57:20 PM
you are waisting your time in bodybuilding if you have no approach to hgh,,NO HGH = NO BODYBUILDER= NO GROWTH PAST CHUNKY CHIP MONK,,

yes yes you can be 200lb at 6% on anabolic steroid only at age 24 ,, try it at 35 and see what hapen to you ,,immposible

fellas past 28 have to be on hgh to be bodybuilder,, competetive at high level got to be hgh and insulin and know how to use the insulin !

fellas under 28 can pass by with steroids only but they better have high release of natural hgh in body because if its not they will waste their time and blow wind,,

thats the reality ,,thats what no one care for you to know,,thats what companys would pay money to kill me for if they knew my identity,,

this truth is stronger than anything youll ever hear,,

read this posting ,,make it known to your friends,,walk proud ,,walk proud because you know whats up,,you know whats us therefor you= bodybuilder

small big average dont matter

you know whats up = no one can fool you = less money for companys to fool you = you win any day any time

gh15 approved
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Tapeworm on December 13, 2010, 11:01:42 PM
Relax.  No one here works out.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: cephissus on December 13, 2010, 11:25:07 PM
thanks buselmo for the advice.

and thank you god!  you have taught me well. :)
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: cephissus on December 16, 2010, 02:14:31 PM
The impingments make my arms go numb and I get pain going all the way down my elbow. My neck hurts like hell all the time to. Doc sayed they're impinged in the c5, c6 area. I have bad posture so it makes it worse plus I'm hunched over the computer alot I need a better chair and desk to use. If you have insurnace I would try to find a doc. If you can't get to a doc figure out some good streches to do and give your body some time to heal.

Yesterday I was reading about postural problems, and how anterior pelvic tilt can impinge nerves, which can shut off various muscle groups... so I tried correcting my posture (since I had a very noticeable tilt) and doing a couple lifts, and WOW!!!  It's like my whole body works again!  I can get a pump and everything, even in my traps which NEVER worked before.

I even contemplated forgetting the diet and bulking up again, but for health and fun im going to cut down first, then maybe try to bring up my weak parts.

All I can say is, never underestimate the importance of posture!!!  Unbelievable, I feel like I've wasted years and years without knowing this.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Marty Champions on December 16, 2010, 02:17:36 PM
to the thread starter, you best try vegetarianism
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: cephissus on December 16, 2010, 02:20:55 PM
I have seemed to notice my hair thinning out...  :o
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Marty Champions on December 16, 2010, 02:24:34 PM
I have seemed to notice my hair thinning out...  :o

thats from the meat eating

welcome to the new age

you have no awaken to the golden age my son, where all succesful people become vegetarians, its the only way to live in harmony

losing hair because of meat eating is only a lesson, the tables are turning against you , every animal you consume you lose the ability to regrow that hair strand and so forth and so on, you can be redeemed.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Option D on December 16, 2010, 02:25:52 PM
im new, of course.

short version:  sick of cramming my face all day, trying to work around injuries, being a lumbering mess, etc.

time to drop the weight!


How about this.. Shut the fuck up asshole..
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: cephissus on December 16, 2010, 02:28:23 PM
thats from the meat eating

welcome to the new age

you have no awaken to the golden age my son, where all succesful people become vegetarians, its the only way to live in harmony

losing hair because of meat eating is only a lesson, the tables are turning against you , every animal you consume you lose the ability to regrow that hair strand and so forth and so on, you can be redeemed.

What do you eat instead of meat?  I eat meat for solid protein (just chicken).  What would you replace this with?
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: dj181 on December 16, 2010, 02:34:02 PM
How serious are you about leaning out? If you are quite serious then give me a shout, coz I can get ya going in the right direction ;D P.S. You gots to be willing to pay da price 8)
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Marty Champions on December 16, 2010, 02:35:09 PM
What do you eat instead of meat?  I eat meat for solid protein (just chicken).  What would you replace this with?

noodles or rice with beans

the perfect seasoning is add 1/2 cup to 1 cup of whole milk 2 table spoons of butter and plenty of sea salt, it gives it that perfect taste like a beef stroganof pasta but vegetarian

the rest of my food is juices and pies (pumpkin, cherry, applecrumb)
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Post by: Option D on December 16, 2010, 02:37:15 PM
noodles or rice with beans

the perfect seasoning is add 1/2 cup to 1 cup of whole milk 2 table spoons of butter and plenty of sea salt, it gives it that perfect taste like a beef stroganof pasta but vegetarian

the rest of my food is juices and pies (pumpkin, cherry, applecrumb)


LMAO!!!!!!!!!! Youre about to have my man all fucked up
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Marty Champions on December 16, 2010, 02:38:54 PM

LMAO!!!!!!!!!! Youre about to have my man all fucked up

only satan would advocate against beans and rice  ::)
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: cephissus on December 16, 2010, 02:41:04 PM
I suppose I would consider switching to vegetarianism for the health benefits.  When it comes to food I'll do anything so long as it benefits my physique, benefits my health, is easy to prepare, affordable, and doesn't kill my appetite completely.

I'm just concerned with finding a healthy vegetarian alternative to chicken, which is practically all protein.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Cleanest Natural on December 16, 2010, 02:42:28 PM
can you find a happy medium between extreme dieting and bulking ?
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Post by: Option D on December 16, 2010, 02:44:40 PM
only satan would advocate against beans and rice  ::)

Oh im puerto rican.. i love beans and rice.. red beans and rice ans chicken is good bulking food
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Marty Champions on December 16, 2010, 02:45:15 PM
I suppose I would consider switching to vegetarianism for the health benefits.  When it comes to food I'll do anything so long as it benefits my physique, benefits my health, is easy to prepare, affordable, and doesn't kill my appetite completely.

I'm just concerned with finding a healthy vegetarian alternative to chicken, which is practically all protein.

youll have a heart attacck with brewers yeast so DONT try it, its basically all protien and fiber

so dont even think about unless you want to die

oh and if you cosume rice protien by itself and no fiber youll be shitting glass and be in serious pain
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: cephissus on December 16, 2010, 02:45:56 PM
can you find a happy medium between extreme dieting and bulking ?

I'm following wave lengths dieting guide, so I won't be doing anything too extreme, just reducing calories until I'm shedding 1-3 lbs a week.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Cleanest Natural on December 16, 2010, 02:49:29 PM
I'm following wave lengths dieting guide, so I won't be doing anything too extreme, just reducing calories until I'm shedding 1-3 lbs a week.
do you follow his fat-burner schedule as well ?
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Master Blaster on December 16, 2010, 02:50:01 PM
I suppose I would consider switching to vegetarianism for the health benefits.  When it comes to food I'll do anything so long as it benefits my physique, benefits my health, is easy to prepare, affordable, and doesn't kill my appetite completely.

I'm just concerned with finding a healthy vegetarian alternative to chicken, which is practically all protein.

Johnny Falcon is a balding, paint sniffing drug addict. So you might want to consider the source.

On the other hand if you wanted dating advive for fine ass older hoes who fuck like porn stars, then he is prolly the resident expert here.
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Post by: Master Blaster on December 16, 2010, 02:51:05 PM

thats the reality ,,thats what no one care for you to know,,thats what companys would pay money to kill me for if they knew my identity,,



Hahah, this guy is fucking great!   ;D
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Jaime on December 16, 2010, 02:53:17 PM
I walk around at about 8% no matter what i eat, probably won't be the case in 20 years though.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: pellius on December 16, 2010, 03:03:57 PM
I read your post but not the entire thread but I think I got the gist.

Forget about bodybuilding per se. Think in terms of health and fitness. I gave up bodybuilding in my mid twenties. I started to do more circuit training where you just move from one exercise to the other without sitting around for a minute or two. That way you combine aerobic training with muscle training. I got this from Arthur Jones who use to say to train your muscles anaerobically and your body aerobically.

I cut down my training to three days a week dividing up my upper body into two workouts using push/pull and the third day for legs. When I was active in sports I just trained twice a week dividing into upper/lower.

Rarely in life do we have the ideal situation. We have to make trade offs. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing thing. Training two days a week, if that's all you do, isn't going to turn you into a mutant God, but it's better than nothing and the cost to your personal isn't that high. And it will put you head and tails above the masses in terms of fitness and quality of life.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Marty Champions on December 16, 2010, 03:16:55 PM
personally i think dude just needs some facial hair

he cannot re-attain the boyish ripped look he once had without alot of suffering wich in the end wont be worth it cause he will rebound

grow some facial hair, eat whatever you crave but dont eat any meat, youll have plenty of energy , sexdrive and hair when its all put into place my friend . Hoes like some mean facial hair, even my facial hair is all fucked up and uneven but i let it grow like i dont give a damn and hoes always checkin me out son

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y256/honigga/IMG_2083jjj.jpg?t=1292541327)
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Post by: Reeves on December 16, 2010, 03:25:30 PM
I read your post but not the entire thread but I think I got the gist.

Forget about bodybuilding per se. Think in terms of health and fitness. I gave up bodybuilding in my mid twenties. I started to do more circuit training where you just move from one exercise to the other without sitting around for a minute or two. That way you combine aerobic training with muscle training. I got this from Arthur Jones who use to say to train your muscles anaerobically and your body aerobically.

I cut down my training to three days a week dividing up my upper body into two workouts using push/pull and the third day for legs. When I was active in sports I just trained twice a week dividing into upper/lower.

Rarely in life do we have the ideal situation. We have to make trade offs. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing thing. Training two days a week, if that's all you do, isn't going to turn you into a mutant God, but it's better than nothing and the cost to your personal isn't that high. And it will put you head and tails above the masses in terms of fitness and quality of life.

This man speaks the truth.  Physical culture is what bodybuilding used to be.  Health and strength along with a good physique will serve you a lifetime.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: cephissus on December 16, 2010, 03:27:07 PM
I read your post but not the entire thread but I think I got the gist.

Forget about bodybuilding per se. Think in terms of health and fitness. I gave up bodybuilding in my mid twenties. I started to do more circuit training where you just move from one exercise to the other without sitting around for a minute or two. That way you combine aerobic training with muscle training. I got this from Arthur Jones who use to say to train your muscles anaerobically and your body aerobically.

I cut down my training to three days a week dividing up my upper body into two workouts using push/pull and the third day for legs. When I was active in sports I just trained twice a week dividing into upper/lower.

Rarely in life do we have the ideal situation. We have to make trade offs. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing thing. Training two days a week, if that's all you do, isn't going to turn you into a mutant God, but it's better than nothing and the cost to your personal isn't that high. And it will put you head and tails above the masses in terms of fitness and quality of life.

Good post.

I'm lifting three times a week now, upper / lower style.  After two weeks, if I'm not losing enough fat I think I'll throw in barbell complexes two days a week to speed things along.  Then, once I get really lean I'll see if I can build up some of my lagging body parts now that I know how to get rid of the nerve impingement that's been hampering me for years.

But I don't think I'm ever again going to go on a "bulking diet" and I may even want to try to drop some muscle just to get my total bodyweight down for blood pressure purposes.

I'm definitely trying to find balance between the "cost to my personal life" and what I consider a satisfactory physique, looks and healthwise right now.  So far it's actually been fun!
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: cephissus on December 16, 2010, 03:32:11 PM
he cannot re-attain the boyish ripped look he once had without alot of suffering wich in the end wont be worth it cause he will rebound

haha we'll see!  back then I was about 8% doing whatever the hell I wanted dietwise, and really, really stupid training.  I remember going to see what was for lunch at my house, deciding i didn't like it, and then eating a dozen cupcakes instead.  and that was only about 4 years ago!

now that I actually know how to control my diet and train properly, I think I'll be able to get a better physique without even half the effort.

also i'm not suffering on my diet so far... i can't stand eating and love cutting back, being hungry all the time.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: pellius on December 16, 2010, 03:33:31 PM
Good post.

I'm lifting three times a week now, upper / lower style.  After two weeks, if I'm not losing enough fat I think I'll throw in barbell complexes two days a week to speed things along.  Then, once I get really lean I'll see if I can build up some of my lagging body parts now that I know how to get rid of the nerve impingement that's been hampering me for years.

But I don't think I'm ever again going to go on a "bulking diet" and I may even want to try to drop some muscle just to get my total bodyweight down for blood pressure purposes.

I'm definitely trying to find balance between the "cost to my personal life" and what I consider a satisfactory physique, looks and healthwise right now.  So far it's actually been fun!

You will, I believe, burn more fat by moving quickly from exercise to exercise. It's similar to the Tabata protocal theory where you metabolism is elevated much longer after training thus burning more calories than if you move more slowly or do low intensity cardio. Even between sets if I don't jump on the weights right away, such as after a set of squats where I have to catch my breath first before doing another exercise, I still walk back and forth to keep moving. I want to keep moving the entire 45 minutes or so that I am training. I think of it as keeping the fire burning. Just walk back and forth or do easy lunges in the corner somewhere. Just don't do any of that shadow boxing shit.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: dj181 on December 16, 2010, 03:43:52 PM
Hey pellius, did you know that AJ only had the cadets for the West Point study rush from one exercise to the next one only once per week? The other 2 weekly sessions were at a normal pace.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Hulkotron on December 16, 2010, 03:52:19 PM
Who the hell "diets" on 3500 calories a day?  Even if you weigh 257 that's well over your BMR.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: pellius on December 16, 2010, 04:00:49 PM
Hey pellius, did you know that AJ only had the cadets for the West Point study rush from one exercise to the next one only once per week? The other 2 weekly sessions were at a normal pace.

No, I did not. Do you have a source for this? I've pretty much read all his works, at least those that are easily available, but never heard of this.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: cephissus on December 16, 2010, 04:03:16 PM
Who the hell "diets" on 3500 calories a day?  Even if you weigh 257 that's well over your BMR.

Well that was just a starting point for me since I seem to maintain weight at about 4500 cals.  I went with my instincts and have immediately lowered it to about 3000 maybe even slightly less.  I'm in no great rush -- if 3000 doesn't work, i'll just lower it some more.

I would be interested in hearing how you're supposed to feel during a diet though.  So far I've been somewhat hungry for about half the day, content for about half.  A couple of times I've dipped into "very hungry" / starving mode for and hour or two.  Are you supposed to be starving all the time, or just mildly hungry?

On a somewhat related note, I actually felt a little pukey during my last leg day, which is something that hasn't happened in a looooooong time.  I wonder if it's connected to being hungry?
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Marty Champions on December 16, 2010, 04:22:12 PM
if you increase your metabolism with exercise youll only get hungrier and over eat. just train to have some decent fitness dont be all obsessed about low bodyfat, youll be much happier when your not obsessed, there ALWAYS rebound fat gain even if you do get ripped. that fat and water come back on quicker than lightening unfortunatley that is the law of anatomy
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: dj181 on December 16, 2010, 04:37:45 PM
Type "Maximizing aerobic potential by Arther Jones" into the google search engine.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: mass 04 on December 16, 2010, 07:44:58 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/Lurmonious/Photo47.jpg?t=1292294943)
monster 18 inch legs with the definition of a beach ball, walmart employee of the month certificate,arts and crafts area where you spend your weekends pasting photos of yourself into FLEX magazine for "inspiration", and 13 foot high cabinets in your muscle bear lovers log cabin.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: no one on December 16, 2010, 08:42:15 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/Lurmonious/Photo47.jpg?t=1292294943)
monster 18 inch legs with the definition of a beach ball, walmart employee of the month certificate,arts and crafts area where you spend your weekends pasting photos of yourself into FLEX magazine for "inspiration", and 13 foot high cabinets in your muscle bear lovers log cabin.

you forgot brutal $19 nylon swim shorts from the 1980's.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: magicuser on December 16, 2010, 09:03:19 PM
critics must all post pics showing thier ripped superiority
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Army of One on December 16, 2010, 09:10:52 PM
I called it

Clever gimmick, be interested to see which direction he takes it, Im thinking an adonis gimmick whereby the "guy" claims to eat ice cream and bath in sugar water and gets back to a ripped 185 in 3 months?

I'm following wave lengths dieting guide, so I won't be doing anything too extreme, just reducing calories until I'm shedding 1-3 lbs a week.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Master Blaster on December 16, 2010, 09:37:44 PM
he's actually done some interesting posts, if he's a gimmick he's playing a long game of chess
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Meso_z on December 16, 2010, 11:13:01 PM
You should seriously consider pming "fatpanda" for some "dieting advice".
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Meso_z on December 16, 2010, 11:13:44 PM
You will, I believe, burn more fat by moving quickly from exercise to exercise. It's similar to the Tabata protocal theory where you metabolism is elevated much longer after training thus burning more calories than if you move more slowly or do low intensity cardio. Even between sets if I don't jump on the weights right away, such as after a set of squats where I have to catch my breath first before doing another exercise, I still walk back and forth to keep moving. I want to keep moving the entire 45 minutes or so that I am training. I think of it as keeping the fire burning. Just walk back and forth or do easy lunges in the corner somewhere. Just don't do any of that shadow boxing shit.
Interesting...
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: cephissus on December 16, 2010, 11:20:50 PM
I called it


lol i mentioned wave length in the opening post...

edit -

also my legs are 26 in believe it or not and that certificate is for personal training (ACSM) lol... i'm never going to use it.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Formerly_Owner76 on December 17, 2010, 01:08:37 AM
I was gonna ask, if you squat.
Good upper body, but legs look like someone else's.
Good idea though, get more cut, keep training hard.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: cephissus on December 17, 2010, 02:57:05 AM
Thanks!

I just found out two days ago how my posture has led to nerve impingement that basically shuts off my hams, glutes, erectors, and even quads.  Extremely frustrating problem, which took me years to figure out.

Now that I know about the impingement, I'm going to see if I can fix it and bring up these weak body parts to match my lats, chest, and abs after I finish dieting down as much as I can.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Marty Champions on December 17, 2010, 05:12:31 AM
Thanks!

I just found out two days ago how my posture has led to nerve impingement
that basically shuts off my hams, glutes, erectors, and even quads.  Extremely frustrating problem, which took me years to figure out.

Now that I know about the impingement, I'm going to see if I can fix it and bring up these weak body parts to match my lats, chest, and abs after I finish dieting down as much as I can.

dont put your faith in man/doctor...god will ask you one day why you accepted me-di-sin from some man who told you he had the answer as apposed to gods natural food remedies. We all make mistakes though but just need to take a bigger look at the industry we are putting trust in

many of these tweaks in our body can be worked out on there own

if you have impingment that is a form of inflamation brought on about by the heme-iron found in meats
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: barrettaswine on December 17, 2010, 05:40:07 AM
I am 51 years old and I understand exactly where you are coming from. "bodybuilding" is supposed to "enhance" your life and health. If you can keep it in check, it really does. The only time  you should obsess about it is if you are entering a contest for prize money aka "pro". The workout routine I follow is 3 days a week, monday,wednesday,friday. After years of dilusional training, I do a complete body workout every workout. I do a couple of light warmup sets and one WORK set to failure for each excercise. I move from machine to machine without  a break and I get a great pump and sweat going!! People actually can't  get that it works, It's great!! It also only takes about 45 minutes to a hour to complete. Good luck and  enjoy your training and most importantly, your life. barreta.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Rearden Metal on December 17, 2010, 07:48:23 AM
Nice meltdown No0b, run along back to your comic books and fizzy fountain drinks.

Actually, coming from someone who doesn't give a shit either way, he just destroyed you.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: pellius on December 17, 2010, 12:48:59 PM
Type "Maximizing aerobic potential by Arther Jones" into the google search engine.

Found it. And I do remember reading it many years ago. Like 25+ years ago. I'm not sure if he recommended doing circuit type training only once a week even though he had the cadets do it only once a week. I suspect even on the other workouts he wasn't allowing them to just sit around between sets for a couple of minutes. Certainly with Casey it was non stop during the entire phase of his training.

I'm a huge fan of Jones thought he was a genius. I loved his no nonsense attitude though I think it hurt him from being more well know and recognized. Most people just did not seem to like him. And by all accounts the feeling was mutual. Still, his writings made a lot of sense and I always found some gems in all of his articles. A coupled from the one you referred me to:

Referring to aerobics guru, Dr. Kenneth Cooper:

"Personally, knowing him quite well, I would suggest that Cooper concern himself with things that he understands, which might limit him to things like tying his own shoes, if he is ever capable of that."

And one of my biggest complaints of people who say they train for two hours but 85% of their time is spent sitting around txting, on the phone, bull shitting and just hogging equipment and not allowing you to work in even though I'll be done with the equipment while they are still halfway through their txt msg.

"If, as usually happens, you perform a set of heavy exercise for strength building purposes, and then sit on your ass or shoot the shit with a friend for five minutes before performing the next exercise, then you probably will increase both your muscular size and strength, will doing little or nothing in the way of improving your cardiovascular condition."

If, as usually happens, you perform a set of heavy exercise for strength building purposes, and then sit on your ass or shoot the shit with a friend for five minutes before performing the next exercise, then you probably will increase both your muscular size and strength, will doing little or nothing in the way of improving your cardiovascular condition.

Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: cephissus on December 17, 2010, 01:45:58 PM
dont put your faith in man/doctor...god will ask you one day why you accepted me-di-sin from some man who told you he had the answer as apposed to gods natural food remedies. We all make mistakes though but just need to take a bigger look at the industry we are putting trust in

many of these tweaks in our body can be worked out on there own

if you have impingment that is a form of inflamation brought on about by the heme-iron found in meats

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.  However, in my case I didn't go to the doctor.  I simply read an article that talked about how anterior pelvic tilt puts pressure on your discs (no shit) and can cause nerve impingement that hampers muscle function.  Just by tilting my pelvis back into a normal position, instantly I could actually get a pump in my erectors, hamstrings, glutes, traps, etc. whereas i never could before.  in my case it was really bad -- once i corrected my posture i even started getting sensation back in my arms and shoulders!!!

i never took posture seriously before, and that was a huge mistake!
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Primemuscle on December 17, 2010, 02:23:02 PM
Today I got home and thought, "I've had it!  I can't go through another crappy workout!"  The thought of doing arms and shoulders tomorrow, getting no pump, lifting no weight, and going home dejected again only to cram my face full of chicken and rice, hoping "better luck next time!" made me sick.

I've been "bodybuilding" for seven, almost eight years now and only just recently started reading getbig.  Before this, I had no idea how prevalent steroid use was outside of professional and amateur competition, or that mutant physiques could be achieved in just a few months with the right drugs and a solid foundation!  Anyway that's somewhat beside the point.

The point is, bodybuilding just isn't rewarding for me anymore, and hasn't been for a long time, now that I think about it.  I've always had an obsessive drive in the gym, and this got me hurt many, many times.  I rarely did research on training technique unless I had an injury and couldn't progress.  And even then, I would rather push through and eek out one more rep just to beat the logbook than pay attention to my body's warning signals.  Eventually I learned that I had to listen to my instincts in the gym, but I'm afraid it's too late.  These days, every time I set foot in the gym I feel like I'm walking on pins and needles -- one false move and my lower back is out for a week.  Additionally my muscles feel dead and unresponsive probably ninety percent of the time, which is by far the most frustrating feeling.

I don't mean to ramble, so I'll wrap this up.  Tonight, I decided to lose it all.  All my fat, and maybe even all my muscle (we'll see).  Especially I want to lose this massive, distended gut (my waistline is over 42 inches now from massive overeating -- 5500 clean calories a day).  Another factor contributing to my decision is my genetic predisposition for hypertension.  I've spent the last several years of my life probably above 150 / 80-90, and that has to change sooner or later.

After reading wavelengths dieting strategy, I've decided to make a diet plan tonight, and for once take things in the opposite direction.  I'll do my best in the gym, three times a week, but honestly at this point I don't even care if I lose lots of muscle.  After thinking about my workouts and analyzing everything day and night in hopes of further progress, I've come to the conclusion that the best thing for me right now is to simply lay off and hope my body can repair itself.  If that happens, maybe I'll come back some day, and use all that I've learned to do things right.

Anyway, enough dreariness!  :D

I want to go from this:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/Lurmonious/Photo47.jpg?t=1292294943)
(~257 lbs)

back to this:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/Lurmonious/some_dive_.jpg?t=1292297230)
(~185 lbs -- I had no legs  :o)

and beyond!
Sorry to read that you are so discouraged with weight training right now. However, I understand how one can feel this way from time to time. I've vacillated about my commitment to bodybuilding a lot over the last fifty years. Sometimes I am very into working out and sometimes not so much. However, I do not now nor have I ever considered completing in competitions. My goals have always been about being fit and healthy looking and feeling. At the grand old age of sixty-six, I am successful in these modest goals despite occasional gym layoffs over the years.

Although I am retired now and for the first time in my life, should have more uncommitted time to devote to hitting the gym, I took a couple of months off this fall to work the election on behalf of my union. It was hard not going to the gym. I felt really guilty about this but I also felt my political involvement was mentally rewarding." Variety is the spice of life" or so it is said.

Another motto which can be a positive way to view one's approach to living is to do everything in moderation.  Unless one has a burning desire to become like today's massive bodybuilders, their approach to bodybuilding should be for the sake of good health, looking fit and feeling good about yourself. My guess is the fellows wining Mr. Olympia or many other of the various competitions today are anything but healthy. And aside from looking like a superhero freak in a thong and often times lousy in clothes even when in contest shape, these fellows are not good role models for good health and fitness. There is nothing healthy about being 5'8" and 300 lbs off-season. Overweight is overweight be it muscle or fat....it will eventually kill you.

So good for you to reassess your purpose/goals in weight training. Strive to be as healthy as possible. Set reasonable goals for your body type and train to those goals. If you start feeling like you are getting crazy and obsessive about weight training again, step back and rethink what you really want from this. Do all things in moderation and you will be happy and fit too.
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Cleanest Natural on December 19, 2010, 03:50:21 AM
cephissus

by throwing the towell do you men like dropping it while in the sauna? cause this would explain a LOT
Title: Re: I'm throwing in the towel!
Post by: Primemuscle on December 19, 2010, 09:45:03 PM
cephissus

by throwing the towell do you men like dropping it while in the sauna? cause this would explain a LOT

Odd  comment to make. Do you have men in sauna's on your mind or some such thing? For your information, "throwing in the towel" has nothing to do with dropping towels both of which are not exclusive actions by men. However, one comment refers to an mental action while the other is physical. Bet you don't know one from the other, huh?