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Im a little curious a of you conservatives are christians but whenever there is talk about helping the poor you scream communism? How does that hold up to your beliefs? :)
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Im a little curious a of you conservatives are christians but whenever there is talk about helping the poor you scream communism? How does that hold up to your beliefs? :)
No
2 Thessalonians 3:10-12
10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”
11 We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies.
12 Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the food they eat.
But Judas was a Democrat:
John 12:4-8
4 But one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, who was later to betray him, objected,
5 “Why wasn’t this perfume sold and the money given to the poor? It was worth a year’s wages."
6 He did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it.
7 “Leave her alone,” Jesus replied. “It was intended that she should save this perfume for the day of my burial.
8 You will always have the poor among you, but you will not always have me.”
Notice Jesus said "You will always have the poor among you"
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No
2 Thessalonians 3:10-12
10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”
11 We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies.
12 Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the food they eat.
But Judas was a Democrat:
John 12:5-8
5 “Why wasn’t this perfume sold and the money given to the poor? It was worth a year’s wages."
6 He did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it.
7 “Leave her alone,” Jesus replied. “It was intended that she should save this perfume for the day of my burial.
8 You will always have the poor among you, but you will not always have me.”
Notice Jesus said "You will always have the poor among you"
Loco I am very impressed.
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Jesus teaching seem more like a moral libertarian to me.
That things should be done by virtue on ones' own self, not govt dictate, mandate, and force.
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Communism is an evil ideology and only works are the barrell of a gun or tip of a bayonet.
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Loco I am very impressed.
Me too :)
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Loco I am very impressed.
Me too :)
Thanks! :)
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Loco knows his stuff.
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Cunfucius Wasnt a commy either.
He said:
"No worky no eaty."
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Dude was all about Universal Healthcare.. he went around healing people and didnt ask for a copay ;D
I think he was all about the hand out with his whole bread and fish thing ;D
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And he was liberal when it came to prostitution
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And he was liberal when it came to prostitution
How so - he never paid for sex like Spitzer?
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How so - he never paid for sex like Spitzer?
He ran around with a prostitute.. Mary Mag
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Dude was all about Universal Healthcare.. he went around healing people and didnt ask for a copay ;D
I think he was all about the hand out with his whole bread and fish thing ;D
Yeah then the church took over and made it a crime not to have Jesus's spiritual health care.
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He ran around with a prostitute.. Mary Mag
Ever hear of hate the sin not the sinner in that respect?
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Ever hear of hate the sin not the sinner in that respect?
yeah.. im not sure what youre getting at?
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yeah.. im not sure what youre getting at?
Jesus did not condone prositution.
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Jesus did not condone prositution.
Oh ok.. what about his healthcare methods? lmao
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Oh ok.. what about his healthcare methods? lmao
I don't think Jesus would have been thrilled with having people be forced at the pointo a centurions' gladious sword buy into ascam like health insurance that was forced on the people by Caeser ad run by corrupt people in the Roman Senate.
But that is just my .02.
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That would now be nearly .03 according to 240 :D
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I don't think Jesus would have been thrilled with having people be forced at the pointo a centurions' gladious sword buy into ascam like health insurance that was forced on the people by Caeser ad run by corrupt people in the Roman Senate.
But that is just my .02.
Right.. he was giving healthcare out for free.. do you agree with that?
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Right.. he was giving healthcare out for free.. do you agree with that?
Not at all. There is no such thing as free. Only in liberal la la land are things thought to be "free".
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Not at all. There is no such thing as free. Only in liberal la la land are things thought to be "free".
So he charged the people he gave healthcare to?
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So he charged the people he gave healthcare to?
Jesus voluntarily gave many gifts, bread, fish, health care, etc. out of his own good will. He was not forced through taxation to give handouts to the poor, neither did he take from Peter to give Paul. Jesus never forced others to give to the poor, and even though He was generous, He did not spoil or enable the lazy.
Jesus has taught us to do the same, to voluntarily give generously out of our own good will, and not because we are forced to do so by the government through heavy taxation.
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Right.. he was giving healthcare out for free.. do you agree with that?
Obamacare is free? There is no cost at all associated with it. Really?
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Obamacare is free? There is no cost at all associated with it. Really?
lmao i didnt bring up obama care. pay attention son
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lmao i didnt bring up obama care. pay attention son
For the sake of your career, yo had better hope ObamaCare gets tossed into the toilet.
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lmao i didnt bring up obama care. pay attention son
Do you have to bring it up? I brought it up. Something wrong with that, Gloria?
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Do you have to bring it up? I brought it up. Something wrong with that, Gloria?
You asked me about something i didnt bring up cha cha. You asked yourself a question and then quoted me. And then said "Reall"? Pretty wierd ....And 3333. I hate the healthcare bill.. If were gonna do it, we should just do WWJD and get it for everyone
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You asked me about something i didnt bring up cha cha. You asked yourself a question and then quoted me. And then said "Reall"? Pretty wierd ....And 3333. I hate the healthcare bill.. If were gonna do it, we should just do WWJD and get it for everyone
Yeah, and who is going to pay for it? Money doesn't just appear out thin air, you know?
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You asked me about something i didnt bring up cha cha. You asked yourself a question and then quoted me. And then said "Reall"? Pretty wierd
I didn't ask myself. I asked you. I didn't know there was some kind of rule in this board that forbids me from asking out of the blue a question. It's ok. If you don't care for it, or you don't know the answer just move on. It's only the internet, Sally.
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No Jesus was not a communist, he didn't enslave people or kill anyone that disagreed with him.
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Yeah, and who is going to pay for it? Money doesn't just appear out thin air, you know?
Well when Wall Street needed the dollars we found it. Whenever there is a war we find it to
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No
2 Thessalonians 3:10-12
10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”
how do you know they are unwilling to work? I mean we do have many very willing to work that are shit out of luck right now, even more so in other countries..
11 We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies.
12 Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the food they eat.There are people that are lazy, but what of the people who honestly seek work and try? Does Jesus say they should be shit out of luck or would he seek to help them and get them back on their feet? Or would he say they should suffer because others are lazy?
But Judas was a Democrat:
John 12:4-8
4 But one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, who was later to betray him, objected,
5 “Why wasn’t this perfume sold and the money given to the poor? It was worth a year’s wages."
6 He did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it.
7 “Leave her alone,” Jesus replied. “It was intended that she should save this perfume for the day of my burial.
8 You will always have the poor among you, but you will not always have me.”
Notice Jesus said "You will always have the poor among you"
My questions in red above...
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My questions in red above...
There are people that are lazy, but what of the people who honestly seek work and try? Does Jesus say they should be shit out of luck or would he seek to help them and get them back on their feet? Or would he say they should suffer because others are lazy?
You already know the answer to this question. The above Bible quote is very clear that it refers to people "unwilling to work."
As for those who are out of luck, Christians from the first century up until today have always voluntarily helped those who are out of luck, the orphans, the widows, the disabled, the elderly, etc.
Non-Christians are welcome to voluntarily do the same, but statistically Christians have always done the bulk of the work. It's all a huge part of the Christian faith and it's based on Jesus' teachings and example.
how do you know they are unwilling to work?
Is this a rhetorical question?
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You already know the answer to this question. The above Bible quote is very clear that it refers to people "unwilling to work."
As for those who are out of luck, Christians from the first century up until today have always voluntarily helped those who are out of luck, the orphans, the widows, the disabled, the elderly, etc.
Non-Christians are welcome to voluntarily do the same, but statistically Christians have always done the bulk of the work. It's all a huge part of the Christian faith and it's based on Jesus' teachings and example.
So how does that weigh with the original thread question? Christians say this is a christian nation, they often say that the people, athiest or other need to adhere to America's christian foundation. They seem willing to force christian ideology on the masses in other areas, why not in this area?
Is this a rhetorical question?
no
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So how does that weigh with the original thread question? Christians say this is a christian nation, they often say that the people, athiest or other need to adhere to America's christian foundation. They seem willing to force christian ideology on the masses in other areas, why not in this area?no
Huge difference between voluntarily helping the needy and being forced by the government through taxes to help the needy. Those who cry the loudest for higher taxes and more socialism are the ones who give less to charities and volunteer less to help the poor.
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Huge difference between voluntarily helping the needy and being forced by the government through taxes to help the needy. Those who cry the loudest for higher taxes and more socialism are the ones who give less to charities and volunteer less to help the poor.
read my question and then read your answer and then tell me how this is an adequate response? If you consider this question answered, then can I take your answer to apply toward all other Christian values pushed for the country?
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read my question and then read your answer and then tell me how this is an adequate response? If you consider this question answered, then can I take your answer to apply toward all other Christian values pushed for the country?
Such as?
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Such as?
how about this... The next post that pops up in some way pushing a christian value for the country, I'll quote you. If none pop up, you don't have anything to worry about right..... hahaha...
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how about this... The next post that pops up in some way pushing a christian value for the country, I'll quote you. If none pop up, you don't have anything to worry about right..... hahaha...
I'm not understanding you Hugo! Saying that Jesus is not a communist is pushing Christian values for your country? What are you getting at?
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I'm not understanding you Hugo! Saying that Jesus is not a communist is pushing Christian values for your country? What are you getting at?
what the fuck are you talking about?
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what the fuck are you talking about?
I could ask you the same thing.
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Jesus gave free healthcare.. and had a food program called "Crap loads of fish and bread"
And since he was the king of kings.. he was the administrator of universal healthcare and a food welfare..Jesus = Socialist
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No, not a communist. However he didn't write the bible so for all we know his message was skewed. ???
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Jesus gave free healthcare.. and had a food program called "Crap loads of fish and bread"
And since he was the king of kings.. he was the administrator of universal healthcare and a food welfare..Jesus = Socialist
Sad.
Did he STEAL everyone elses' bread at the point of a sword and then give it out?
Answer - NO
YOU = DUMB AS SHIT
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Sad.
Did he STEAL everyone elses' bread at the point of a sword and then give it out?
Answer - NO
YOU = DUMB AS SHIT
Steal.. Who is stealing...i dont think its stealing..
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I could ask you the same thing.
I asked first ::)
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Jesus gave free healthcare.. and had a food program called "Crap loads of fish and bread"
And since he was the king of kings.. he was the administrator of universal healthcare and a food welfare..Jesus = Socialist
That makes Jesus a communist? Did Jesus take money from hard working citizens to provide this free health care? Did Jesus take money from hard working citizens to provide these fish and bread? Did Jesus take one house from someone who had two houses to give it to someone who had no house?
Nope, Jesus was not and is not a communist.
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Steal.. Who is stealing...i dont think its stealing..
Again - educate yourself. There is nothing voluntary about communism. Jesus said to give voluntarily, not at the force o jail r death by Caesers' sword.
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I think anyone who thinks they know what Jesus would or wouldn't have thought is thinking pretty highly of themselves.
PS... Jesus didn't exist. Look it up.
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Again - educate yourself. There is nothing voluntary about communism. Jesus said to give voluntarily, not at the force o jail r death by Caesers' sword.
There's nothing voluntary about giving taxes or going to jail or any of that shit, doesn't change that's how it works.
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PS... Jesus didn't exist. Look it up.
Incorrect. Josephus and other ancient historians claim he did exist and was killed due to sorcery. Whether he was the Son of God is another issue left up to individual faith.
Please, don't come back with: Well Flavius Josephus was a traitor to his people by aligning himself to the Romans. He was still a historian and had nothing to gain from stating that Jesus of Nazareth existed.
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Incorrect. Josephus and other ancient historians claim he did exist and was killed due to sorcery. Whether he was the Son of God is another issue left up to individual faith.
Please, don't come back with: Well Flavius Josephus was a traitor to his people by aligning himself to the Romans. He was still a historian and had nothing to gain from stating that Jesus of Nazareth existed.
So you're saying that person who wasn't born until 4 years after this supposed Jesus' death has some first hand knowledge of his existence?
Another hearsay basically, but this is all tangential and not the point.
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Jesus was a human being lover - Feodor Dostoevsky ;)
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I think anyone who thinks they know what Jesus would or wouldn't have thought is thinking pretty highly of themselves.
PS... Jesus didn't exist. Look it up.
Jesus did exist. Look it up.
tu_holmes,
are you sure you want to go down this road with me again? You and I had this discussion before, and you failed to substantiate your claim.
sorry tu holmes the other dudes argument and evidence has won me over
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Jesus did exist. Look it up.
tu_holmes,
are you sure you want to go down this road with me again? You and I had this discussion before, and you failed to substantiate your claim.
People wanna believe what they want to believe man.
You can not come up with one documented thing to prove that the guy existed... It's all belief, but if you want to waste your time quoting people who couldn't have possibly met the guy... That's all I'm saying.
Believe what you want dude.
Guy is a myth.
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Jesus did exist! fact!
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Jesus did exist! fact!
OK.
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People wanna believe what they want to believe man.
You can not come up with one documented thing to prove that the guy existed... It's all belief, but if you want to waste your time quoting people who couldn't have possibly met the guy... That's all I'm saying.
Believe what you want dude.
Guy is a myth.
How quickly you forget, tu_holmes! Go back to that thread I linked to above and you'll see again that I did much more than just quote people. Talk about belief in what you want! George Washington did exist just as much as Jesus Christ did exist. It has nothing to do with belief. But I can see why you want to believe that Jesus is a myth. Whatever floats your boat!
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So how does that weigh with the original thread question? Christians say this is a christian nation, they often say that the people, athiest or other need to adhere to America's christian foundation. They seem willing to force christian ideology on the masses in other areas, why not in this area?no
What do you mean by "forcing" the Christian ideology on the masses in this area? Are you asking why don't Christians "force" everybody to help the poor through government taxation? Is that what you are asking?
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How quickly you forget, tu_holmes! Go back to that thread I linked to above and you'll see again that I did much more than just quote people. Talk about belief in what you want! George Washington did exist just as much as Jesus Christ did exist. It has nothing to do with belief. But I can see why you want to believe that Jesus is a myth. Whatever floats your boat!
If you say so dude...
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How quickly you forget, tu_holmes! Go back to that thread I linked to above and you'll see again that I did much more than just quote people. Talk about belief in what you want! George Washington did exist just as much as Jesus Christ did exist. It has nothing to do with belief. But I can see why you want to believe that Jesus is a myth. Whatever floats your boat!
Even Jews admit Jesus is a fact, just that he was a rabbi and not the messiah.
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Even Jews admit Jesus is a fact, just that he was a rabbi and not the messiah.
Not all Jews. It was actually Jewish scholars who invented the Jesus Myth Theory after WWII. tu_holmes is just repeating non-sense he heard or read somewhere with nothing to substantiate his claim.
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I think anyone who thinks they know what Jesus would or wouldn't have thought is thinking pretty highly of themselves.
PS... Jesus didn't exist. Look it up.
look it up... lol.... if only I could hand some people I know a dictionary or encyclopedia that listed it as myth and fiction hahahaha.... "look it up..." that's funny haha....
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Guy is a myth.
Substantiate your claim!
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So you're saying that person who wasn't born until 4 years after this supposed Jesus' death has some first hand knowledge of his existence?
Another hearsay basically, but this is all tangential and not the point.
WOW. A whole 4 years!!! Yeah, no historian ever uses verbal accounts of others that lived in times prior to their existence. I guess we should burn all libraries then.
I guess I should throw out every history book I own because none of those authors lived during the times they describe. History through oral tradition. Did you ever hear of it? Why would Josephus works have any less relevancy than any other historian's work? His works are accepted by most historians, archealogists and helped in understanding the Dead Sea Scrolls.
If anything the fact that he lived close to Jesus' time should lend credence to what he wrote. He never stated that Jesus was God, he just stated that it was common knowledge at that time that such a man had existed.