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Snub for Obamas as Royal sources reveal they will not be invited to Prince William's wedding
By Fay Schlesinger
Last updated at 4:41 PM on 17th December 2010
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Because Prince William is not yet heir to the throne, his wedding to Kate Middleton is not classed as a ‘state occasion’ – and the couple feel under no pressure to fill the 2,000-strong guest list with heads of state, the Mail understands.
They are more eager to ask ordinary citizens and charity workers than foreign dignitaries and VIPs to what will be the first royal ‘people’s wedding’, courtiers suggested.
A handful of heads of state are likely to be invited in line with previous royal weddings, possibly including France’s President Nicolas Sarkozy and his wife Carla Bruni.
Uninvited: Royal sources have revealed that President Obama and his wife Michelle are not going to be invited to the Royal wedding as it is not classed as a state occasion
But the decision to exclude the American premier and his wife Michelle from the celebrations marks a break from tradition.
Prince Charles and Princess Diana invited then-American president Ronald Reagan and his wife Nancy to their 1981 ceremony – though she came alone because the president was too ill to travel following an assassination attempt on him.
A senior courtier said: ‘It is certainly not the case that all foreign heads of state will be excluded. The guest list is still being drawn up and could change, but as things stand it’s right (to say Mr Obama will not be invited).’
A St James’s Palace spokesman said: ‘The wedding will not be a formal state occasion since Prince William is neither the sovereign nor the heir to the throne.’
The decision is an example of William’s single-minded desire to hold the first ever ‘people’s wedding’ by packing the pews with members of the public who have worked with his 21 charities.
'The People's wedding': William and Kate's courtiers have said they are more keen to invite volunteers and charity workers than VIPs to their wedding at Westminster Abbey on April 29
And as William and Kate continue to thrash out the plans for Westminster Abbey on April 29, they are understood to be looking towards the Queen and Prince Philip’s austere 1947 nuptials as a template.
With a post-war Government facing huge cuts, the then Chancellor Hugh Dalton said only the decorations in Whitehall and outside the palace could be funded by the taxpayer.
And the Archbishop of York compared the wedding to that of a commoner ‘married this afternoon in some small country church’.
Conscious of the credit crunch and rising unemployment rates, William has vowed to have a wedding that is not as ‘ostentatious’ as his parents’ St Paul’s Cathedral ceremony, with 3,500 guests.
But the couple still want to encourage a ‘street party’ atmosphere to sweep the country – and Kate’s dress is expected to cost considerably more than Princess Elizabeth’s £1,200 gown, partly paid for with 300 rationing coupons.
A royal aide said: ‘It will be done properly and well, but not in an ostentatious and lavish manner. This time is more analogous with 1947. In 1981 a lot more people were invited to the wedding. The route to St Paul’s was also longer than it is to the Abbey. It was undeniably a bigger wedding.’
Nancy Reagan attended the wedding of Prince Charles and Diana in her husband's absence in 1981 and also received an invite to Prince Andrew's 1986 wedding to Sarah Ferguson - despite that not being a state occasion
A St James’s Palace spokesman said: ‘The couple will be drawing on inspiration from elements of the 1947 and 1981 weddings – there are obvious similarities to both. They want to strike the right balance between intimacy and providing an occasion that can be enjoyed by everyone.’
In a growing sign of Kate’s formal acceptance into the royal fold, she was invited to the Queen’s annual pre-Christmas lunch with about 50 members of the Royal Family yesterday.
The traditional banquet at Buckingham Palace is reserved for family members – and following her engagement to William following an eight-year courtship, Kate finally counts in Her Majesty’s eyes.
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She met many minor members of her new family for the first time, including children who may be among her bridesmaids.
The smiling 28-year-old was seen leaving Buckingham Palace with her fiance and his brother Prince Harry, 26, yesterday afternoon.
The Queen and Prince Philip hosted the sumptuous meal, understood to have been held in the Palace’s Bow Room, with their four children – Prince Charles, Princess Anne, Prince Andrew and Prince Edward - and their families.
Among the guests pictured at the palace yesterday were Charles and Camilla, Princess Beatrice, Zara Phillips (sporting a shorter bob haircut) and her brother Peter with his wife Autumn, who is due to give birth to their first child this month.
Edward’s wife Sophie, the Countess of Wessex, drove their seven-year-old daughter Lady Louise Windsor – tipped to be among Kate’s bridesmaids - to the lunch, while Princess Alexandra and James and Julia Ogilvy arrived with a boot full of Christmas presents.
Also there were Princess Michael of Kent, the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester, the Duchess of Kent, the Queen’s nephew Lord Linley and his family, Lady Sarah Chatto and her son Arthur, Lady Gabriella Windsor, Lord and Lady Nicholas Windsor, and Lady Davina Lewis and her husband Gary.
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Good for them. After CPOFS-in-Chief treated the UK from day one with his getting rid of the Churchill Bust, I am glad they are taking this occasion to piss on him. ot to mention giving the queen of the UK that stupid ipod with those moronic speeches of obama and the stupid DVD's not formatted for UK DVD Players, I am glad they re retuning the favor to the two grfters at 1600 A Ave.
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Poll on the site is currently running 81% in favor of this.
After what MAObama did with the Churchill Bust - I would have done far worse if possible.
FUBO!
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1339315/President-Obama-snubbed-sources-reveal-invited-Prince-Williams-wedding.html#
Many great comments on that site. They realize what grifters and maddoffians we have at 1600 PA Ave.
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Hell will freeze over the day obama coud ever say something like this.
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LMAO..Did President Obama fuck your girlfriend?
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LMAO..Did President Obama fuck your girlfriend?
You must be referring to 333's computer. lol
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LMAO..Did President Obama fuck your girlfriend?
No - after how he treated one of our best allies with his immature crap - that beig the DVD set not formatted for UK players, and givng the queen an ipod with only his idiotic speeches on it - I am laughing so hard how they are returning the favor.
Bad news for Bama = good news for America
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You must be referring to 333's computer. lol
Come on - who does shit like this but the bamas? I hope she put it in her kamode and took a shit and piss on it and then tossed it in the trash along with old rotting food.
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What an embarrassment for our nation these two gonifs are.
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;D
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BAMA = classless idiot.
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Mission accomplished! :D :D :D :D :D
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Bush was far more respected than the idiot in the WH you voted for.
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fox news shiting on obama ??? who would have thought :D
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fox news shiting on obama ??? who would have thought :D
yeah - check out the link to the Guardian UK - 81% say this is a good thing.
Bam Bam has earned the revulsion tossed his way.
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Snub for Obamas as Royal sources reveal they will not be invited to Prince William's wedding
By Fay Schlesinger
Last updated at 4:41 PM on 17th December 2010
Comments (543) Add to My Stories
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LMAO! if Obama did attend all we'd hear is: "ALL THAT GAS FOR Air Force One TO ATTEND A WEDDING"!!!!!!!!!!
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Better than carting his marxist fanny around to play golf and embarrass the country.
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LMAO! if Obama did attend all we'd hear is: "ALL THAT GAS FOR Air Force One TO ATTEND A WEDDING"!!!!!!!!!!
booooooooooooom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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booooooooooooom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Better than him going on the World "I will bow to you" tour and make a fool of himself and this nation.
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Better than him going on the World "I will bow to you" tour and make a fool of himself and this nation.
lol
yeah he fucked your gf
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If it wasn't for the US, Great Britain would be speaking German... I am not worried about what the UK thinks of MY president.
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lol
yeah he fucked your gf
My girl don't like skinny gay black dudes on the down low.
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If it wasn't for the US, Great Britain would be speaking German... I am not worried about what the UK thinks of MY president.
He has treated the UK like shit and I for one am glad they are returning the favor, on a personal level. not a national level, but on a personal level, anything that happens toObama to get him off his narcisstistic ego trip is good by me.
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lol
yeah he fucked your gf
And the whole country.
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My girl don't like skinny gay black dudes on the down low.
Lol.. your girl would suck hic cock based soley on the fact that is president.. and you would off yourself
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just a bunch of rich people playing dress up who the f ck cares ;D
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I doubt they will serve 40's......so Michelle probably doesn't want to go anyway.
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just a bunch of rich people playing dress up who the f ck cares ;D
It does not matter in the scheme of things - but if anyone can get a high profile dig in and insult at the two grifters at 1600 PA Ave., 'm game for a few laughs about it.
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It does not matter in the scheme of things - but if anyone can get a high profile dig in and insult at the two grifters at 1600 PA Ave., 'm game for a few laughs about it.
Dude you would side with Satan against obama.. the world knows it
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You mean there wasn't anything else to whine about?
Good lord.
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Dude you would side with Satan against obama.. the world knows it
How is that? Obama is Satan. ;D
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don't forget the KFC and grape koolaid
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33,
had be been invited and accepted, you would have said it was stupid for him to waste tax dollars on such a trip for something as cheesy.
had he been invited and DECLINED, you would complain that he snubbed our allies.
My guess - and probably the reality - is that he was asked if he would attend, decided not to, and let them know so no formal invite was extended, which he would then snub.
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don't forget the KFC and grape koolaid
;D they probably didn't want any gun play at the rehearsal dinner....
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I'm just dropping knees on a downed opponent. ;D ;D
TBH - look it up - when the bama sent back the Churchill Bust I was pissed off and posted about it. Treating Churchill like that was pure bullshit and I am glad they are returning he insult.
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I'm just dropping knees on a downed opponent. ;D ;D
TBH - look it up - when the bama sent back the Churchill Bust I was pissed off and posted about it. Treating Churchill like that was pure bullshit and I am glad they are returning he insult.
Oh it said he wasnt invited because of Churchill?
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Oh it said he wasnt invited because of Churchill?
No but bama has been insulting the brits since day one.
Look it up.
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No but bama has been insulting the brits since day one.
Look it up.
So he isnt invited to a wedding because of a Churchill issue.. Im trying to find that...where is that fact?
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So he isnt invited to a wedding because of a Churchill issue.. Im trying to find that...where is that fact?
No, he has been snubbing the brits frm day 1 in any wys, between the churchill bust issue, giving the queen that tack ipod with his idiotic speeches on it, givig bronwn the moronic dvd's not formatted for UK Dvd Players, etc etc.
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No, he has been snubbing the brits frm day 1 in any wys, between the churchill bust issue, giving the queen that tack ipod with his idiotic speeches on it, givig bronwn the moronic dvd's not formatted for UK Dvd Players, etc etc.
So there is nothing that says he was not invited because of Churchill and a CD?
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So there is nothing that says he was not invited because of Churchill and a CD?
No. They are not going to admit that.
But anyone paying attention knows he has been spitting at the UK from Day 1
When the bama sent back the churchill bust, I knew we were in for a real disaster.
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Mal - watch and wake up.
Obama = ignorant, classless hack and bufoon.
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No. They are not going to admit that.
But anyone paying attention knows he has been spitting at the UK from Day 1
When the bama sent back the churchill bust, I knew we were in for a real disaster.
Ohhh. so this is more bizzaro world, 33333 shit? gotcha You should have had a disclaimer "im pulling this straight from my ass. but i putting 1+1 together to get 37
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Yeah - cuz that is what people do; "I am not inviting you to my wedding cause you are an anti-colonialist racist who has been insulting my nation from day 1" ::) ::)
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i think they didn't want a neeeegrooo there ;D
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i think they didn't want a neeeegrooo there ;D
So its racist now?
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Yeah - cuz that is what people do; "I am not inviting you to my wedding cause you are an anti-colonialist racist who has been insulting my nation from day 1" ::) ::)
tell yourself what you have Senior Batshit
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tell yourself what you have Senior Batshit
Did you look at my clips? Of course not - its easier to remain uninformed.
If it were me, I woud send the ipod back to him only this time uploading al of his gaffes, goofs, and nonsense on i with multiple laugh tracks.
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give me a clip proving what you alleged
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Calm down jr. its Friday night....go find a nice NYC latino hooker and blow your wad ! ;)
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;D ;D ;D
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Newsweek
Busted: The Churchill Flap
Has America's even- tempered new president already ruffled feathers in the land that spawned Borat and Benny Hill? That's certainly how the spiky British press responded after the White House sent back to the British Embassy a bust of Sir Winston Churchill that had occupied a cherished spot in President Bush's Oval Office. Intended as a symbol of transatlantic solidarity, the bust was a loaner from former British prime minister Tony Blair following the September 11 attacks. A bust of Abraham Lincoln—Obama's historical hero—now sits in its place. A White House spokesperson says the Churchill bust was removed before Obama's inauguration as part of the usual changeover operations, adding that every president puts his own stamp on the Oval Office.
But the British press, as is its wont, smells a snub. The Telegraph speculated that British diplomats' pulse rates would soar, while The Times of London wondered if a shadow had been cast over the special U.S.–U.K. relationship. A spokesperson for the British embassy, though, threw cold tea on the notion, pointing out British politician David Miliband was the first foreign minister to meet with U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
Maybe it's no surprise that Obama wouldn't want Churchill watching over his shoulder. After all, it was Churchill who, in 1952, ordered a crackdown on the Mau Mau rebellion against British colonial rule in Kenya, Obama's ancestral homeland. Obama's grandfather, Hussein Onyango Obama, was labeled a subversive during the uprising and spent months in detention.
Churchill expert Steven Hayward of the American Enterprise Institute thinks the average Briton will be unfazed by the bust's return, saying that folks across the pond have always been puzzled by American fondness for Churchill. Richard Langworth of the Churchill Center has offered another unidentified piece of Churchilliana that may pique Obama's interest but has yet to receive a response from the White House. For now, the president will have to content himself with gazing at the holograph copy of the Gettysburg Address in the guest bedroom.
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How is that busted? It was a gift after 911.
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I can't believe any on this board much less this country gives a rats ass if Obama is invited to a wedding
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I cared when he pissed on the churchill bust. The obamas are scum of the earth and any snubs, insults, or degradations aimed at them is fine by me.
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I cared when he pissed on the churchill bust. The obamas are scum of the earth and any snubs, insults, or degradations aimed at them is fine by me.
if the Obamas are the scum of the earth then you are the shit stain in the underwear of the scum of the earth
you really truly need a full mental health evaluation
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Guess that included half the population too who thinks he is awful and jimmuh carter but worse.
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wow
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I cared when he pissed on the churchill bust. The obamas are scum of the earth and any snubs, insults, or degradations aimed at them is fine by me.
dude really? Scum, Because political ideas dont line up with yours...wow...sickening to say the least...
GW spent like a drunken sailor and got Americans Killed....doing it...and i dont consider dude SCUM...because political beliefs are different...Fuck you are pathetic
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No. Scum because they have always aligned themselves with those seeking to weaken and undermine our nation.
Ayers, dorhn, rashidi, odinga, wright, terror trials in nyc, obamacare, cap n trade, dream act, job killing regulations, hatred of our nations, history, hatred of the constriants placed by the constitution, pissing away money etc etc.
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No. Scum because they have always aligned themselves with those seeking to weaken and undermine our nation.
Ayers, dorhn, rashidi, odinga, wright, terror trials in nyc, obamacare, cap n trade, dream act, job killing regulations, hatred of our nations, history, hatred of the constriants placed by the constitution, pissing away money etc etc.
you forgot mention your rage over how they are decorating the White House
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I wonder if they have another mao tse tung ornament like last year.
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I wonder if they have another mao tse tung ornament like last year.
don't know
don't care
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if the Obamas are the scum of the earth then you are the shit stain in the underwear of the scum of the earth
you really truly need a full mental health evaluation
Oh SNAP!!!
333 do yourself a favor and stop posting on this thread now. You have been owned completely. Good lord you need pyschotic meds.
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I'm sure you and straw are on cloud nine today.
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No. Scum because they have always aligned themselves with those seeking to weaken and undermine our nation.
Ayers, dorhn, rashidi, odinga, wright, terror trials in nyc, obamacare, cap n trade, dream act, job killing regulations, hatred of our nations, history, hatred of the constriants placed by the constitution, pissing away money etc etc.
You think THIS is undermining a nation?
These are the things that make this country great... The idea that you can say, think, believe, whatever you want to.
I don't think Obama is purposefully doing anything to harm this country... He needs and wants it to succeed like every other citizen does, he just doesn't believe in doing it the same way you do.
To say that people are trying to "DESTROY AMERICA" because you don't think the same way just makes you sound like a kook.
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Seriously?
Do yourself a favor and read this book and see what you come away with. Its fully backed up and not one person has disputed a thing in there, including the WH.
You would be horrified if you read this, as would most people. but I get it - peole buy into the bullshit made for TV image that got him elected in the first place.
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Seriously?
Do yourself a favor and read this book and see what you come away with. Its fully backed up and not one person has disputed a thing in there, including the WH.
You would be horrified if you read this, as would most people. but I get it - peole buy into the bullshit made for TV image that got him elected in the first place.
No, I don't read stuff that's obviously designed to make you hate anyone on any level.
Didn't read that shit about Bush, won't read it about Obama, and wouldn't read it if it was about my own mother... The fact is that it's just crap... That's all any of that shit is.
It's written specifically for people who already don't like the guy... people like you. If I was in the white house and you wrote a book of lies about me, I wouldn't say anything about it either... If people want to believe a bunch of crap, i don't give a shit.
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Seriously?
Do yourself a favor and read this book and see what you come away with. Its fully backed up and not one person has disputed a thing in there, including the WH.
You would be horrified if you read this, as would most people. but I get it - peole buy into the bullshit made for TV image that got him elected in the first place.
only wingnuts such as yourself take anything Dinesh say seriously.
from the Economist:
D’Souza argues that Obama’s policies are motivated by a hatred towards American power absorbed from his Kenyan father. He offers exactly zero evidence for his hackneyed psychological theory. But the most laughable weakness in D’Souza’s thesis is the fact that the policies which D’Souza presents as the “dreams of a Luo tribesman” have a decades-long American pedigree and are embraced by wide swathes of the American electorate and political class. If support for progressive taxation, greater government regulation of health care, stimulus spending, and conservation make one the tool of the African anticolonial movement, then Paul Krugman, Robert Reich, Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi, John Kenneth Galbraith, FDR, and the Sierra Club are all Third World agents provocateurs.
If you've got the attention span you can read a point by point deconstruction of the insatity of Dinesh and from a conservative blog no less: http://secularright.org/SR/wordpress/2010/09/27/dinesh-dsouzas-poison/
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The list of anti-amercan shit this fool has done is so long, so extensive, so vast, so encompassing, that only those denying it at this point are doing so WILLFULLY to avid the obvious.
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The list of anti-amercan shit this fool has done is so long, so extensive, so vast, so encompassing, that only those denying it at this point are doing so WILLFULLY to avid the obvious.
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you're mentally unstable person who's very weak mind has been infected by far right wing nuts like D’Souza who is a laughing stock among true conservatives
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you're mentally unstable person who's very weak mind has been infected by far right wing nuts like D’Souza who is a laughing stock among true conservatives
No, I have followed the policies, regulations, appointments to key positions, the statements, the background, and the aquaintences of Obama from Day 1 and am utterly appauled and aazed that anyone like this could ever reach such heights in american politics, let alone the local dog pound.
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The list of anti-amercan shit this fool has done is so long, so extensive, so vast, so encompassing, that only those denying it at this point are doing so WILLFULLY to avid the obvious.
Dude... I'm no Obama shill... I think C&T would be a problem now, and I think his healthcare plan is retarded... He should have just had a public option and attached it to Medicare. I personally agree with DREAM in principle because I think you have so many illegals now that you have to give the people that are here amnesty... You can't root them out and it would cost more to do that than to just say, here's a SS card, start paying taxes. I have no idea about the DREAM line item points because I don't know exactly what's in there, because I have a life and can't follow EVERY thing. But if there's no item for then saying any new illegals will be locked up and treated as criminals, then I would dislike the fact that is not in there.
You use the term "Job Killing Regulations", but damn dude... Jobs were being lost before he took office and since, so you can't say his regulations or legislation is what killed them. It's conjecture.
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Dude... I'm no Obama shill... I think C&T would be a problem now, and I think his healthcare plan is retarded... He should have just had a public option and attached it to Medicare. I personally agree with DREAM in principle because I think you have so many illegals now that you have to give the people that are here amnesty... You can't root them out and it would cost more to do that than to just say, here's a SS card, start paying taxes. I have no idea about the DREAM line item points because I don't know exactly what's in there, because I have a life and can't follow EVERY thing. But if there's no item for then saying any new illegals will be locked up and treated as criminals, then I would dislike the fact that is not in there.
You use the term "Job Killing Regulations", but damn dude... Jobs were being lost before he took office and since, so you can't say his regulations or legislation is what killed them. It's conjecture.
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Have you ever perused my thread on how he is destroying the economy? I have hundreds ofarticle of how he is hindering any recovery and destroying jobs. But thats right - Obama is right, and everyone in the business community worldwide is wrong. Got it.
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No, I have followed the policies, regulations, appointments to key positions, the statements, the background, and the aquaintences of Obama from Day 1 and am utterly appauled and aazed that anyone like this could ever reach such heights in american politics, let alone the local dog pound.
lke I said: you're mentally unstable person who's very weak mind has been infected by far right wing nuts
Your obsession borders on insanity. Obama has basically continued many of the Bush policies while trying to get some other issues that progressives/liberals and even many conservatives have wanted for years.
Nothing radical, nothing out of the ordinary - yet you're over the moon, batshit crazy about everything he does right down to the nick nacks he has in the oval office.
you're a fucking joke
seek medical help or at least turn off your computer and stop "thinking" about politics for a few years and maybe you'll recover
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lke I said: you're mentally unstable person who's very weak mind has been infected by far right wing nuts
Your obsession borders on insanity. Obama has basically continued many of the Bush policies while trying to get some other issues that progressives/liberals and even many conservatives have wanted for years.
Nothing radical, nothing out of the ordinary - yet you're over the moon, batshit crazy about everything he does right down to the nick nacks he has in the oval office.
you're a fucking joke
seek medical help or at least turn off your computer and stop "thinking" about politics for a few years and maybe you'll recover
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Haha this is news to you? It's not a state wedding why would William invite ANY American President? It says he wants it to be a 'peoples' wedding not a state shame with people he doesn't know.
Owned? That would be you 333 for even caring so much about this.
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I'm just trying to help you
come on man, don't tell me you haven't heard the same advance from family and friends
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Haha this is news to you? It's not a state wedding why would William invite ANY American President? It says he wants it to be a 'peoples' wedding not a state shame with people he doesn't know.
Owned? That would be you 333 for even caring so much about this.
Personally, I think Obama hates the Brits with a passion and would not go anyway. Too much golf, b-ball, smokes, and ice cream to consume.
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Have you ever perused my thread on how he is destroying the economy? I have hundreds ofarticle of how he is hindering any recovery and destroying jobs. But thats right - Obama is right, and everyone in the business community worldwide is wrong. Got it.
you could have a 1000 article or 10,000 and it wouldn't make any difference.
Did you see the thread about the study of voter misperceptions. I think you've hit everone one of these over the past 2 years:
Voters' misinformation included beliefs at odds with the conclusions of government agencies, generally regarded as non-partisan, consisting of professional economists and scientists.
• Though the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) concluded that the stimulus legislation has saved or created 2.0-5.2 million jobs, only 8% of voters thought most economists who had studied it concluded that the stimulus legislation had created or saved several million jobs. Most (68%) believed that economists estimate that it only created or saved a few jobs and 20% even believed that it resulted in job losses.
• Though the CBO concluded that the health reform law would reduce the budget deficit, 53% of voters thought most economists have concluded that health reform will increase the deficit.
• Though the Department of Commerce says that the US economy began to recover from recession in the third quarter of 2009 and has continued to grow since then, only 44% of voters thought the economy is starting to recover, while 55% thought the economy is still getting worse.
• Though the National Academy of Sciences has concluded that climate change is occurring, 45% of voters thought most scientists think climate change is not occurring (12%) or that scientists are evenly divided (33%).
Other key points of misinformation among voters were:
• 40% of voters believed incorrectly that the TARP legislation was initiated under Barack Obama, rather than George Bush
• 31% believed it was proven true that the US Chamber of Commerce spent large amounts of money it had raised from foreign sources to support Republican candidates
• 54% believed that there were no tax cuts in the stimulus legislation
• 86% assumed their taxes had gone up (38%) or stayed the same (48%), while only 10% were aware that their taxes had gone down since 2009
• 53% thought that the bailout of GM and Chrysler occurred only under Obama, though it was initiated under Bush
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No wonder you think the US Post office is in good shape.
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Personally, I think Obama hates the Brits with a passion and would not go anyway. Too much golf, b-ball, smokes, and ice cream to consume.
WHO CARES? It's not a state wedding, William isn't the current heir and wants a peoples wedding. It even says so in your article. ::)
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Personally, I think Obama hates the Brits with a passion and would not go anyway. Too much golf, b-ball, smokes, and ice cream to consume.
more of your brillian analysis that has made you a complete and total joke on this board
serously 333 - we're a pretty small pond. Shouldn't a big fish like you be sharing his ideas with a larger audience.
The world needs to hear your voice and you need to move on to a bigger venue
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The list of anti-amercan shit this fool has done is so long, so extensive, so vast, so encompassing, that only those denying it at this point are doing so WILLFULLY to avid the obvious.
Anti American? Or just stuff you disagree with
Because if i remember correct... repubs will call for a fool to get fired for getting a BJ... so you know what theyll do for an Anti american Mutherfucker...By the way would you call Bush Anti American?
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::) ::)No wonder you think the US Post office is in good shape.
no worse shape than anything else in our government and if I recall you absolutely love using their kiosks and other shit.
The US Postal service will be around long after than drag you off to the mental hopspital and long after you and I are both dead
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Anti American? Or just stuff you disagree with
Because if i remember correct... repubs will call for a fool to get fired for getting a BJ... so you know what theyll do for an Anti american Mutherfucker...By the way would you call Bush Anti American?
I wuld call Bush a fiscal socialist and NWO shill who did a few things good that were grossly outweighed by a lot of the harm he did.
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no worse shape than anything else in our government and if I recall you absolutely love using their kiosks and other shit.
The US Postal service will be around long after than drag you off to the mental hopspital and long after you and I are both dead
no it wont.. there will be a total collapse of monumental proportions of an epic tsunami nature extension level event...
and the sky is falling....
hahahah this guy is a joke.. to himself and the state of NY...Maybe even the human Race.. and thats not Hyperbole.. Im ashamed to share the same species of human with you 3333
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I wuld call Bush a fiscal socialist and NWO shill who did a few things good that were grossly outweighed by a lot of the harm he did.
So he wasnt Anti American?..
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no it wont.. there will be a total collapse of monumental proportions of an epic tsunami nature extension level event...
and the sky is falling....
hahahah this guy is a joke.. to himself and the state of NY...Maybe even the human Race.. and thats not Hyperbole.. Im ashamed to share the same species of human with you 3333
mostly to himself
he really seem to be in the depths of mental illness and beyond help
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no it wont.. there will be a total collapse of monumental proportions of an epic tsunami nature extension level event...
and the sky is falling....
hahahah this guy is a joke.. to himself and the state of NY...Maybe even the human Race.. and thats not Hyperbole.. Im ashamed to share the same species of human with you 3333
1. Nov. election was the largest landslide for the GOP in over 60 years.
2. Ill bump my thread on 60 Minutes piece last night confirming everything I have said about state finances collapsing. Again - you = head in the sand.
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mostly to himself
he really seem to be in the depths of mental illness and beyond help
No my friends read this board and are like "is this guy joking.." and i look down.. take a deep breath ... put my head in my hands.. and with a sad sigh..i simply utter...."i wish i were bro.. i wish i were" ..God bless America :'(
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1. Nov. election was the largest landslide for the GOP in over 60 years.
2. Ill bump my thread on 60 Minutes piece last night confirming everything I have said about state finances collapsing. Again - you = head in the sand.
And Obama was the master mind behind the whole thing.. he got it and it was great.. and if not great.. it was in "quick 2 year fixable condition". .and this knee grow scum of the earth came in and either (because you have said both of these) was lazy and did no work and golfed and played basketball...orrrrr he is hell bent on destroying the universe like Skeletor ( im just covering my bases because you have stated both)
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1. Nov. election was the largest landslide for the GOP in over 60 years.
2. Ill bump my thread on 60 Minutes piece last night confirming everything I have said about state finances collapsing. Again - you = head in the sand.
Yes... the Republicans won, not because of anything Obama did.
Facts are facts, Young voters and minorities do not vote in Midterm elections... Obama will win in 2012 if things continue as they are... No Republican will do anything except be the same shills they always are and nothing will change.
I find all of this "fiscal responsibility" shit hilarious now... No Republican cared about fiscal responsibility from 2001-2009 and now all of a sudden they are the fiscally responsible group?
How short term the American public's mind is.
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No my friends read this board and are like "is this guy joking.." and i look down.. take a deep breath ... put my head in my hands.. and with a sad sigh..i simply utter...."i wish i were bro.. i wish i were" ..God bless America :'(
Ha ha ha - thiscoming from the guy would cheers a POTUS who is wrecking his profession. got to love it.
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Ha ha ha - thiscoming from the guy would cheers a POTUS who is wrecking his profession. got to love it.
Tell me where i said i like healthcare.. dont change the subject.. dont ignore.. tell me where i said i liked healthcare...
also.. why wouldnt you call Bush Anti American and you call Obama anti American.. Explain this.. dont ignore or say "did you see my thread on obama riding a bike." or any kind bull shit like that
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Yes... the Republicans won, not because of anything Obama did.
Facts are facts, Young voters and minorities do not vote in Midterm elections... Obama will win in 2012 if things continue as they are... No Republican will do anything except be the same shills they always are and nothing will change.
I find all of this "fiscal responsibility" shit hilarious now... No Republican cared about fiscal responsibility from 2001-2009 and now all of a sudden they are the fiscally responsible group?
How short term the American public's mind is.
True: Obama said he would change things for the better and guess what - he lied. He has made it far worse on almost every front.
As for the GOP victory - true. bama did it mostly himself with his job wrecking policies, obamacare, terror trils at NYC, failed stim bill, corrupt economic adviors, etc.
As for young people and minorities voting? Minorities are mostly fucking morons when its comes to elections and don't matter all that much. Their blind obedience and slavish devotion to the dem party is built in ad known to everyone. Sure it matters in some districts, but overall, not at all. Bama won because of white guilt, repubs staying home, bush fatigue, and a hrribly runb mccain campaign.
Actually, I really don't see how obama wins in 2012 if things stay the same. So long as the GOP puts up someone sane like romney, even though he is not my first choice, bama is done unless he gets the economy at least back to the condition it was when he took office.
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True: Obama said he would change things for the better and guess what - he lied. He has made it far worse on almost every front.
As for the GOP victory - true. bama did it mostly himself with his job wrecking policies, obamacare, terror trils at NYC, failed stim bill, corrupt economic adviors, etc.
As for young people and minorities voting? Minorities are mostly fucking morons when its comes to elections and don't matter all that much. Their blind obedience and slavish devotion to the dem party is built in ad known to everyone. Sure it matters in some districts, but overall, not at all. Bama won because of white guilt, repubs staying home, bush fatigue, and a hrribly runb mccain campaign.
Actually, I really don't see how obama wins in 2012 if things stay the same. So long as the GOP puts up someone sane like romney, even though he is not my first choice, bama is done unless he gets the economy at least back to the condition it was when he took office.
You think the economy is worse than when he took office?
I'd say most people would say it's much better.... I didn't get a bonus in 2009 because in Nov. of 08 we had a huge crash, but I did get one in '10... So I'm going to say it's better.
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You think the economy is worse than when he took office?
I'd say most people would say it's much better.... I didn't get a bonus in 2009 because in Nov. of 08 we had a huge crash, but I did get one in '10... So I'm going to say it's better.
Talk to anyone in small business and ask them how things are going.
Plus, when he took office - UE was less than 8%. Its at 10% now and othng he has done in 2 years has stemmed the problems from getting worse or helped it at all.
ObamaCare alone has probably resulted in 1% in the UE increase.
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Tell me where i said i like healthcare.. dont change the subject.. dont ignore.. tell me where i said i liked healthcare...
also.. why wouldnt you call Bush Anti American and you call Obama anti American.. Explain this.. dont ignore or say "did you see my thread on obama riding a bike." or any kind bull shit like that
fucking bump
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Talk to anyone in small business and ask them how things are going.
Plus, when he took office - UE was less than 8%. Its at 10% now and othng he has done in 2 years has stemmed the problems from getting worse or helped it at all.
ObamaCare alone has probably resulted in 1% in the UE increase.
Seriously? 1%?
Show me that one... I don't buy it at all.
Also, the UE had to go up under obama... It was guaranteed because the Crash occurred in Nov. 2008, Obama was taking office in Jan and Businesses didn't have a chance between those 2 months to cut all of the people they had decided needed cutting, they were still in "discovery and analysis" phase.
That is complete nonsense man.
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Seriously? 1%?
Show me that one... I don't buy it at all.
Also, the UE had to go up under obama... It was guaranteed because the Crash occurred in Nov. 2008, Obama was taking office in Jan and Businesses didn't have a chance between those 2 months to cut all of the people they had decided needed cutting, they were still in "discovery and analysis" phase.
That is complete nonsense man.
sorry - when he passed the 860 Billiomn Stim Bill he sai that UNLESS WE PASSED IT, UE would go ver 8%. Now, after it having passed 2 years ago, UE is at 10%.
So what is it?
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sorry - when he passed the 860 Billiomn Stim Bill he sai that UNLESS WE PASSED IT, UE would go ver 8%. Now, after it having passed 2 years ago, UE is at 10%.
So what is it?
It is what it is man... UE was gonna go up either way and facts are that independent 3rd parties agree that if the Stim bill wasn't passed that UE would be even higher than it is.
You disagree? Are you saying you know more than all of these other economists that say it saved jobs?
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It is what it is man... UE was gonna go up either way and facts are that independent 3rd parties agree that if the Stim bill wasn't passed that UE would be even higher than it is.
You disagree? Are you saying you know more than all of these other economists that say it saved jobs?
You can't say that for sure No 1. And who are these brilliant economists and what is their track record?
Second - I have always aid - if we allowed things to collapse - it would be worse in the short term, but far better in the long term and we would recovery quicker.
Instead, we papered over the problems with phantom money and just kickedthe can down the road until we have even a bigger disaster.
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You can't say that for sure No 1. And who are these brilliant economists and what is their track record?
Second - I have always aid - if we allowed things to collapse - it would be worse in the short term, but far better in the long term and we would recovery quicker.
Instead, we papered over the problems with phantom money and just kickedthe can down the road until we have even a bigger disaster.
That's all conjecture though... You can't say definitively that things would have been better or worse.
It's just opinion... When no one did anything during the crash of 1929 it took us 10 years to come back from that. You think that would have been better?
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That's all conjecture though... You can't say definitively that things would have been better or worse.
It's just opinion... When no one did anything during the crash of 1929 it took us 10 years to come back from that. You think that would have been better?
FDR an Hoover both tried tons of keynsian nonsense and none of it worked.
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Tell me where i said i like healthcare.. dont change the subject.. dont ignore.. tell me where i said i liked healthcare...
also.. why wouldnt you call Bush Anti American and you call Obama anti American.. Explain this.. dont ignore or say "did you see my thread on obama riding a bike." or any kind bull shit like that
BIGGITY BUMP
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BIGGITY BUMP
I know you said you were not thrilled with ObamaCare, however, I don't see why you dont see how is sell outs, diversions, and lies, have played themselves out n every other policy area?
I think you are still in "He is trying his best" mode vs the reality that " I was lied to" mode.
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mostly to himself
he really seem to be in the depths of mental illness and beyond help
Sadly this is true.
I honestly can not picture how miserable his life must be to wake up so full of hate and self loathing each day that he spends 18 hours on the internet whining and crying over irrelevant shit. And half the irrelevant shit he posts actually contradicts his own blubbering about it. Just like the article he cited here and tried to make an issue out of it.
Sucks to be him.
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sorry - when he passed the 860 Billiomn Stim Bill he sai that UNLESS WE PASSED IT, UE would go ver 8%. Now, after it having passed 2 years ago, UE is at 10%.
So what is it?
it's a bad guess but you have no proof of cause and effect and in fact you have proof that it saved jobs but you simply choose to ignore anything that doesn't fit your preconceived notions (or whatever right wing dipshit you're listening to at any given moment)
from the study on misconceptions among voters
Though the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) concluded that the stimulus legislation has saved or created 2.0-5.2 million jobs, only 8% of voters thought most economists who had studied it concluded that the stimulus legislation had created or saved several million jobs. Most (68%) believed that economists estimate that it only created or saved a few jobs and 20% even believed that it resulted in job losses.
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Straw - you are looking at only one side of the equation. Look at th cost vs. the "per job" cost. Its like 200k per alleged job created or saves, of which most were only temp jobs at that.
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Straw - you are looking at only one side of the equation. Look at th cost vs. the "per job" cost. Its like 200k per alleged job created or saves, of which most were only temp jobs at that.
take it up with the CBO
be sure to tell them "it's like 200k per alleged job" so they know you're serious and not just another nutjob
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take it up with the CBO
be sure to tell them "it's like 200k per alleged job" so they know you're serious and not just another nutjob
Sorry - the CBO said Medicaire would cost 9 times lss than it does today too. It also was forced to admit obaacare wont reduce the deficit either after reality was forced upon it.
CBO has an awful track record on a lot of this stuff.
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Sorry - the CBO said Medicaire would cost 9 times lss than it does today too. It also was forced to admit obaacare wont reduce the deficit either after reality was forced upon it.
CBO has an awful track record on a lot of this stuff.
ya gotta a link for that claim
btw - why do you trust the CBO when/if they support your belief but not when they don't
isn't it the same CBO in both cases?
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ya gotta a link for that claim
btw - why do you trust the CBO when/if they support your belief but not when they don't
isn't it the same CBO in both cases?
Yes, but it only goes based on the crap put before it by the politicians. Its a complete joke. Re: BamaCare - why do you think they did not include the Doc Fix before what they presented to the CBO?
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Yes, but it only goes based on the crap put before it by the politicians. Its a complete joke. Re: BamaCare - why do you think they did not include the Doc Fix before what they presented to the CBO?
where's link?
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where's link?
Its been clear as day from Day 1 to anyone paying attention, which excludes 99.9% of all obama supporters.
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Its been clear as day from Day 1 to anyone paying attention, which excludes 99.9% of all obama supporters.
where the link to your claim
I don't give a shit what other right wing liars say
yoru claim was about they CBO so let's see it
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Ha ha h- sorry to rain on your Hope & Change golden shower moron from Obama.
This is a well known fact and if you stupid shills o the left paid attention you would have realized that. Sad Straw - wake the fuck up already.
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Obamacare’s Cooked Books and the ‘Doc Fix’
May 24, 2010 5:12 P.M. By James C. Capretta
The Obama administration continues to insist (see this post from White House budget director Peter Orszag) that the recently enacted health-care law will reduce the federal budget deficit by $100 billion over ten years and by ten times that amount in the second decade of implementation. They cite the Congressional Budget Office’s cost estimate for the final legislation to back their claims.
And it is undeniably true that CBO says the legislation, as written, would reduce the federal budget deficit by $124 billion over ten years from the health-related provisions of the new law.
But that’s not whole story about Obamacare’s budgetary implications — not by a long shot.
For starters, CBO is not the only game in town. In the executive branch, the chief actuary of the Medicare program is supposed to provide the official health-care cost projections for the administration — at least he always has in the past. His cost estimate for the new health law differs in important ways from the one provided by CBO and calls into question every major contention the administration has advanced about the bill. The president says the legislation will slow the pace of rising costs; the actuary says it won’t. The president says people will get to keep their job-based plans if they want to; the actuary says 14 million people will lose their employer coverage, many of whom would certainly rather keep it than switch into an untested program. The president says the new law will improve the budget outlook; in so many words, the chief actuary says, don’t bet on it.
All of this helps explain why the president of the United States would be so sensitive about the release of the actuary’s official report that he would dispatch political subordinates to undermine it with the media.
It’s not the chief actuary’s assignment to provide estimates of non-Medicare-related tax provisions, so his cost projections for Obamacare do not capture all of the needed budget data to estimate the full impact on the budget deficit. But it’s possible to back into such a figure by using the Joint Tax Committee’s estimates for the tax provisions missing from the chief actuary’s report. When that is done, $50 billion of deficit reduction found in the CBO report is wiped out.
And that’s before the other gimmicks, double counting, and hidden costs are exposed and removed from the accounting, too.
For instance, this week House and Senate Democratic leaders are rushing to approve a massive, budget-busting, tax-and-spending bill. Among its many provisions is a three-year Medicare “doc fix,” which will effectively undo the scheduled 21 percent cut in Medicare physician fees set to go into effect in June. CBO says this version of the “doc fix” would add $65 billion to the budget deficit over ten years. The entire bill would pile another $134 billion onto the national debt over the next decade.
If the Obama administration gets its way, this three-year physician-fee fix will eventually get extended again, and also without offsets. Over a full ten-year period, an unfinanced “doc fix” would add $250 to $400 billion to the budget deficit, depending on design and who is doing the cost projection (CBO or the actuary).
Administration officials and their outside enthusiasts (see here) say the Democratic Congress shouldn’t have to find offsets for the “doc fix” because everybody knows a fix needs to be enacted and therefore should go into the baseline. (By the way, the history of the sustainable growth rate [SGR] that Ezra Klein provides at the link above is a misleading one. The SGR was a replacement for a predecessor program that too had run off the rails — the so-called “Volume Performance Standard” enacted by a Democratic Congress in 1989.)
But supporting a “doc fix” is not the same as supporting an unfinanced one on a long-term or permanent basis. Not everybody in Congress is for running up more debt to pay for a permanent repeal of the scheduled fee cuts, which is why such a repeal has never been passed before. In the main, the previous administration and Congresses worked to find ways to prevent Medicare fee cuts while finding offsets to pay for it.
But that’s not the policy of the Obama administration. The truth is the president and his allies in Congress worked overtime to pull together every Medicare cut they could find — nearly $500 billion in all over ten years — and put them into the health law to pay for the massive entitlement expansion they so coveted. They could have used those cuts to pay for the “doc fix” if they had wanted to, as well as for a slightly less expansive health program. But that’s not what they did. That wasn’t their priority. They chose instead to break their agenda into multiple bills, and “pay for” the massive health entitlement (on paper) while claiming they shouldn’t have to find offsets for the “doc fix.” But it doesn’t matter to taxpayers if they enact their agenda in one, two, or ten pieces of legislation. The total cost is still the same. All of the supposed deficit reduction now claimed from the health-care law is more than wiped out by the Democrats’ insistent march to borrow and spend for Medicare physician fees.
And the games don’t end there. CBO’s cost estimate assumes $70 billion in deficit reduction from the so-called “CLASS Act.” This is the new voluntary long-term-care insurance program that hitched a ride on Obamacare because it too created the illusion of deficit reduction. People who sign up for the insurance must pay premiums for at least five years before they are eligible to draw benefits. By definition, then, at start-up and for several years thereafter, there will be a surplus in the program as new entrants pay premiums and very few people draw benefits. That’s the source of the $70 billion “savings.” But the premiums collected in the program’s early years will be needed very soon to pay actual claims. Not only that, but the new insurance program is so poorly designed it too will need a federal bailout. So this is far worse than a benign sleight of hand. The Democrats have created a budgetary monster even as they used misleading estimates to tout their budgetary virtue.
There is much more, of course. CBO’s cost projections don’t reflect the administrative costs required to micromanage the health system from the Department of Health and Human Services. The number of employers looking to dump their workers into subsidized insurance is almost certainly going to be much higher than either CBO or the chief actuary now projects. And the price inflation from the added demand of the newly entitled isn’t factored into any of the official cost projections.
We’ve seen this movie before. When the government creates a new entitlement, politicians lowball the costs to get the law passed, and then blame someone else when program costs soar. Witness Massachusetts. Most Americans are sensible enough to know already that’s what can be expected next with Obamacare.
http://www.nationalreview.com/critical-condition/55996/obamacare-s-cooked-books-and-doc-fix/james-c-capretta
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CBO confirms: ObamaCare with “doctor fix” will actually add billions to the deficit
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:heehwb_-5h0J:hotair.com/archives/2010/03/19/cbo-confirms-obamacare-with-doctor-fix-will-actually-add-billions-to-the-deficit/+obamacare+doc+fix&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
6:07 pm on March 19, 2010 by Allahpundit
The exciting conclusion to yesterday’s post about what a shameless fraud the CBO numbers are. How do you slap a $940 billion pricetag on what’s actually a multitrillion-dollar bill? Well, as we’ve seen, the first thing you do is make sure not to start the program until almost halfway through CBO’s window of time for measuring how much it’ll cost. That cuts a trillion or two right off the top. But what if that still leaves you with budget deficits, thus crippling your sub-moronic talking point about how this massive new federal entitlement will save money over time?
Simple. You break the bill up and pass one of the expensive parts separately later. Here’s how a supposed $118 billion reduction in the deficit becomes another case of Obama bloat:
You asked about the total budgetary impact of enacting the reconciliation proposal (the amendment to H.R. 4872), the Senate-passed health bill (H.R. 3590), and the Medicare Physicians Payment Reform Act of 2009 (H.R. 3961). CBO estimates that enacting all three pieces of legislation would add $59 billion to budget deficits over the 2010–2019 period.
Under current law, Medicare’s payment rates for physicians’ services will be reduced by about 21 percent in April 2010 and by an average of about 2 percent per year for the rest of the decade. H.R. 3961 would increase those payment rates by 1.2 percent in 2010 and would restructure the sustainable growth rate mechanism beginning in 2011. Those changes would result in significantly higher payment rates for physicians than those that would result under current law. CBO estimates that enacting H.R. 3961, by itself, would cost about $208 billion over the 2010–2019 period. (That estimate reflects the enactment of two short-term extension acts, which lowered the cost in 2010 by about $2 billion compared with CBO’s estimate of November 4, 2009.)…
CBO estimates that enacting H.R. 3961 together with those two bills would add $59 billion to budget deficits over the 2010–2019 period. That amount is about $10 billion less than the figure that would result from summing the effects of enacting the bills separately. The $10 billion difference occurs primarily because H.R. 3590 and the reconciliation proposal would modify how the government’s payments to Medicare Advantage plans are set.
Still waiting to find out that if that memo urging Democrats not to talk about “doc fix” is real or not, but you can see why it’s good advice either way. Not only are they hiding another $208 billion in costs, but their dishonesty in passing doc fix separately will cost another $10 bil that could be avoided by passing everything together. Except, of course, that trying to pass everything together would send “fiscally conservative” Democrats fleeing for the hills — not because they care about a trillion-plus pricetag, but because they care that you might care. Or maybe they don’t even care about that, given the way the votes are falling today. Add Suzanne Kosmas to the roll of the shame.
More to come tonight, no doubt, in a very special edition of the Friday evening news dump.
Update: Oh look, some more hidden costs discovered by CBO. Who’s up for another $50 billion on the hook just to administer this thing?
In its March 11, 2010, cost estimate for H.R. 3590, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), as passed by the Senate, CBO indicated that it has identified at least $50 billion in specified and estimated authorizations of discretionary spending that might be involved in implementing that legislation. The authority to undertake such spending is not provided in H.R. 3590; it would require future action in appropriation bills. The attached table provides additional information about those authorizations.
Discretionary costs under PPACA would arise from the effects of the legislation on several federal agencies and on a number of new and existing programs subject to future appropriation. Those discretionary costs fall into three general categories…
Update: This is all contingent, of course, upon the Democrats actually passing doctor fix later. Oh, hey look — the AMA, which supports doc fix, just endorsed ObamaCare! Coincidencemania!
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Medicare “doc fix” increases cost of ObamaCare, causes deficits
Sat, 03/20/2010 - 12:25pm | posted by Jason Pye
http://www.unitedliberty.org/articles/5327-medicare-doc-fix-increases-cost-of-obamacare-causes-deficits
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Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) asked the Congressional Budget Office to include the Medicare “doc fix” in its estimates for ObamaCare, which has been specifically excluded to help keep down estimated costs. If the fix were included, the cost of the bill would have exceeded $1.1 trillion, making it much tougher to sell the bill to members.
Here’s the story:
Congressional budget scorekeepers say a Medicare fix that Democrats included in earlier versions of their health care bill would push it into the red.
The Congressional Budget Office said Friday that rolling back a programmed cut in Medicare fees to doctors would cost $208 billion over 10 years. If added back to the health care overhaul bill, it would wipe out all the deficit reduction, leaving the legislation $59 billion in the red.
The so-called doc fix was part of the original House bill. Because of its high cost, Democrats decided to pursue it separately. Republicans say the cost should not be ignored. Congress has usually waived the cuts to doctors year by year.
One of the big talking points for Democrats is the long-term deficit reduction (past the first decade). The CBO says the “doc fix” and other factors could change that (emphasis mine):
Under the analytic approach described in the agency’s previous letters, the combined effect of enacting H.R. 3590 and the reconciliation proposal would be to reduce federal budget deficits over the decade beyond 2019 relative to those projected under current law—with a total effect during that decade in a broad range around one-half percent of gross domestic product (GDP). If the changes described above were made to the legislation, CBO would expect that federal budget deficits during the decade beyond 2019 would increase relative to those projected under current law—with a total effect during that decade in a broad range around one-quarter percent of GDP.
So, there you have it. ObamaCare brings bigger deficits short-term and long-term and it will impact every American negatively as health insurance premiums will continue to rise and costs will not be held in check.
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Straw - tell me when you want to concede this to me.
Obamacare has always been built upon lies, bogus nonsense, and smoke and mirrorsto fool a gullible public and idiot constituency who will accept anthing from this joke at 1600 PA Ave.
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you're referring to the so called "Doctor Fix" that has been around for years and never implemented?
as usual, you (and Repubs) just report the half of the story that you like:
http://mediamatters.org/research/201003310005
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/10/a_proud_bipartisan_tradition_o.html
A proud bipartisan tradition of budget gimmickry
This is an extremely strange paragraph from Dana Milbank:
Senate Democrats wanted to protect doctors from scheduled cuts in Medicare payments over the next 10 years, but there was a problem: Doing so would add a quarter of a trillion dollars to the federal deficit, making mincemeat of Obama's promise. So Democrats hatched a novel scheme: They would pass the legislation separately, so the $250 billion cost wouldn't be part of the main reform "plan," thereby allowing the president to claim that that bill wouldn't increase the deficit.
"Novel scheme?" The "Sustainable Growth Rate" in Medicare was passed by a Republican Congress in 1997 that wanted to ensure Medicare's costs didn't rapidly outpace economic growth. In 1997, that seemed like a plausible thing to do: Health-care costs grew by 4.7 percent that year, and the GDP also grew by 4.7 percent. The linkage seemed natural.
The problem was that the 90s were an aberrant period of low health-care cost growth and high GDP growth. In 2002, for instance, health-care spending grew by 8 percent while the GDP grew by 1.8 percent. The formula embedded in the Medicare Sustainable Growth Rate would have triggered huge cuts to doctors, and broad outrage among seniors. And thus began the era of "temporary" fixes to Medicare payment. The SGR law stayed on the books, but Congress began routinely invalidating its scheduled cuts to doctor payments.
The first was passed in 2003, when Republicans controlled the House, the Senate, and the White House. The next came in 2005. Then there was one in 2006. The next year, Democrats took control of the Congress. They passed fixes in 2007 and 2008. The neat trick of this is that it also made the deficit look smaller than it was, as it kept getting estimated as if Congress was going to allow a 30 percent cut in doctor's reimbursements sometime in the future, saving hundreds of billions of dollars. That was never going to happen, of course, but it made Bush's budgets look better.
Now it's 2009, and rather than passing a temporary fix to the program, Democrats are trying to rewrite the program's formula so it reflects the actual behavior of Congress. Milbank calls this "novel," and I guess it is. But not in the way that he implies. Passing bills to "delay" doctor's cuts is a proud, bipartisan tradition in this town. Pretending that it's some Democratic innovation is simply wrong. The only thing that's novel is that the Democrats are trying to solve this problem all at once, and facing down a huge price tag to do so. It would be easier for them to stick with recent congressional practice and pass a small bill putting the problem off for one more year, and one more Congress, as the very Republicans who are criticizing them now did in 2003, 2005 and 2006.
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Media Matters? ::) ::)
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Media Matters? ::) ::)
Does the "doctor fix" predate healthcare legislation?
If there were no health care legislation would the "Doctor Fix" voted on in 1997 and kicked down the road every year since still have to be addressed?
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Does the "doctor fix" predate healthcare legislation?
If there were no health care legislation would the "Doctor Fix" voted on in 1997 and kicked down the road every year since still have to be addressed?
That has nothing to do with anything. Hiding spending does not equal not spending. Get a freaking clue already. ObamaCare was built upon lies for useful idiots and dupes to soak up all while screaming "Hope & Change".
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Someone get this idiot a new shovel. And a passport. If he digs his hole any deeper he is going to pop out in China.
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Someone get this idiot a new shovel. And a passport. If he digs his hole any deeper he is going to pop out in China.
Really? Mostly I just ignore your bullshit as the insults of a twink lurking in mens restrooms at truck stops.
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That scenario has about as much as credibility as your usual posts on here. Which is to say.... none.
I am amazed you took time out of your usual crybaby personality to show a bit of projection here. Oh well... your problem, not mine.
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You lucky as shit.. i was about to fuck your shit up today
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Blah blah blah blah. Go jerk off to the rantings of anthony wiener your new object of affection.
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Blah blah blah blah. Go jerk off to the rantings of anthony wiener your new object of affection.
Wiener makes some really valid points... You might not like them, but he says them clearly and concisely and makes a good argument.
He's what a politician should be... Even if you don't agree with him, you have to respect his opinion because he doesn't come across sounding like a kook on any level.
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Michelle Obama still hopes for an invitation to William and Kate's wedding
The Telegraph ^ | Feb. 21, 2011 | Tim Walker
Michelle Obama is likely to exasperate courtiers with her comments about the royal wedding after they went to such lengths to accommodate the White House.
Even after it was clear that Prince William and Kate Middleton would not be sending a wedding invitation to the White House, Michelle Obama still appears not to have given up hope.
"If I get invited, I'll go," the First Lady said on the Live With Regis and Kelly Show on American television. She conceded, however, that, as things stand, she had not been invited.
Her comments are likely to exasperate senior courtiers, who – as I reported on Nov 14 last year – had to put off naming the wedding date until a week after announcing the engagement because White House officials were not at first certain when Barack Obama and his wife would make their first state visit to Britain. Obama's men, adamant that the two events should not clash, subsequently agreed May 24 to 26, almost a month after the royal wedding, as the dates for his visit.
Although the wedding will clearly be exclusive – I disclosed on Saturday that Sarah, Duchess of York, is not invited – the President may feel he had a lucky escape. One confirmed guest at the wedding will be Hamad bin Isa Khalifa, the King of Bahrain. Last week, to the dismay of the White House, his kingdom's security forces opened fire on protesters demanding reforms.
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Why weren't the Obamas invited to the Royal Wedding?
SFGate.com ^ | 4/1/11 | Phil Bronstein
What do Barack Obama and Muammar Gaddafi have in common? If you guessed that they're both Muslims, go to the front of the Tea Party.
Their real commonality is that neither got invited to Prince William's and Kate Middleton's royal wedding.
I can understand Ghaddafi's exclusion - probably bad form to have a guy in your party who's killing his own people. Besides, his wardrobe would clash with anything they'd wear.
Plus he's pretty busy right now defying NATO and Anderson Cooper and most likely couldn't make it anyway.
But what's with the President of the United States? He's in the rejected category along with Fergie, the Weight Watching Duchess of York.
Michelle Obama even said a few weeks ago on "Live With Regis and Kelly" that, "if I get invited, I'll go," as close to begging as this regal First Lady gets. And who, including the world's most powerful husband, has said "no" to her lately?
This is a snub of epic proportions. We should impose a no-Richard-Branson-zone over the U.S. in protest.
The other night in his Libya speech, Obama said, "Born, as we are, out of a revolution by those who longed to be free..." You think that was a coincidence? That's you he was smack-talking, rude and exclusive England!
We slapped you down in 1776 and 1812 so now you feel you have the right to slight us?
It's not as though there's no space. Even for killers. ..
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Michelle Obama: "I Wasn't Invited" to Royal Wedding
usmagazine.com ^ | February 09, 2011 – 3:31pm
Who wouldn't want Michelle Obama at their wedding? Apparently Prince William and Kate Middleton, that's who!
The First Lady appeared on Live! With Regis and Kelly and told show hosts Regis Philbin and Kelly Ripa that she hasn't been invited to the wedding.
But Mrs. Obama isn't miffed. "Marriage is a personal private thing, they should invite who they want to invite,” she said. “And if I get invited, I’ll go."
While she met Queen Elizabeth in April 2009, Mrs. Obama has yet to meet the royal couple. She did pass on her congratulations to William and Kate via an interview with Barbara Walters. "Congratulations and, hopefully, you will be as happy, as happily married as Barack and I," she said in an interview last November.
American presidents have traditionally been invited to royal weddings. The Reagans were invited to the 1981 wedding of William's parents, Prince Charles and Princess Diana, and Nancy Reagan attended on behalf of the president.
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THE PRICE IS RACIST!
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No wonder they dont want this slob at the palace. Last time she probably grifted the silverware.
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Another stupid "I obessesively hate Obamma" thread.
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Like I said - any time - be it large or small - I can't kick those to grifters and thieves in the nuts, and shed light on the disgrace these two low lifes have brought on the nation, count on me for exploiting it.
Bad news and failure for obama equals success and prosperity for america.
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you sure are sticking to them on this forum and Obama is sure feeling it.....the world is amazed. ::)
The only thing that equals success for America is an entire new set of politicians on both sides.
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you sure are sticking to them on this forum and Obama is sure feeling it.....the world is amazed. ::)
The only thing that equals success for America is an entire new set of politicians on both sides.
that about sums it up
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that about sums it up
Oh I add comedy to this sghit show. Enjoy the laughs.
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I'm glad Kate and William had a nice day without it being stained by $^&*%%$#%%&
:P :P :P
Courtesy of: the Al Sharpton of Getbig.com
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No wonder they dont want this slob at the palace. Last time she probably grifted the silverware.
hahahah she went to harvard.. her brother is the head coach of a major D1 school.. you work at a shitty office in the bronx.. She won.. hahahahahahaha how lame you are
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hahahah she went to harvard.. her brother is the head coach of a major D1 school.. you work at a shitty office in the bronx.. She won.. hahahahahahaha how lame you are
Would you want this at your wedding?
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Would you want this at your wedding?
Oh shit.. she went to harvard.. her brother went to princton... comes from great stock... you went to pace.. and work in a shitty office in the BX.. she won.. hahahaahahahahahahahaha. . you suck hahahahahahahahaahahha off yourself..hahahahahahaha hahahahahaahha you are pathetic hahahahhahhhahhhhhahaaa
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Oh shit.. she went to harvard.. her brother went to princton... comes from great stock... you went to pace.. and work in a shitty office in the BX.. she won.. hahahaahahahahahahahaha. . you suck hahahahahahahahaahahha off yourself..hahahahahahaha hahahahahaahha you are pathetic hahahahhahhhahhhhhahaaa
I have more legal experience than both of them combined. By the way - being the beneficiary of affirmative action, which both of them are, is no accomplishment.
Tell me even one case either obama or Moochelle ever tried or handled in their so called legal career? Name a text, treatise, book, authorship, law review article, anything whatsoever?
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If they get invited and don't go than they are undiplomatic and are treating an ally poorly
If they get invited and do go they are bad for spending more money on travel and seemingly ignoring problems at home.
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I have more legal experience than both of them combined. By the way - being the beneficiary of affirmative action, which both of them are, is no accomplishment.
Tell me even one case either obama or Moochelle ever tried or handled in their so called legal career? Name a text, treatise, book, authorship, law review article, anything whatsoever?
hahahah tell yourself what you have to.. hahahahaha
they would have run circles around your obsessed ass.... think about it.. you got 50k posts about them.. they dont know you exist.hahahahah how lame
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hahahah tell yourself what you have to.. hahahahaha
they would have run circles around your obsessed ass.... think about it.. you got 50k posts about them.. they dont know you exist.hahahahah how lame
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Right - Obama never tried a a single case and that fat nasty hippo of a grifter wife he has never did a damn thing either. Again - can you please tell me one case either of them handled, one legal work, one academic piece, one treatise, something whatsoever either of those two grifters and looters ever did?
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Right - Obama never tried a a single case and that fat nasty hippo of a grifter wife he has never did a damn thing either. Again - can you please tell me one case either of them handled, one legal work, one academic piece, one treatise, something whatsoever either of those two grifters and looters ever did?
well he became president of the United States of America
They worked at Sidney Austin Lawfirm..
And for all the hard work you did..and all the high power cases you tried.. youre still in a shit hole in the BX and They are at 1600 Pen ave.. hahahaha still fail
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well he became president of the United States of America
They worked at Sidney Austin Lawfirm..
And for all the hard work you did..and all the high power cases you tried.. youre still in a shit hole in the BX and They are at 1600 Pen ave.. hahahaha still fail
Again - name one case, one client, something whatsoever they EVER did?
From what i read, that fat nasty bitch was considered a horrible lawyer, hired solely based on AA, and relegated to the back office since she was a horrible wretch to deal with.
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Again - name one case, one client, something whatsoever they EVER did?
From what i read, that fat nasty bitch was considered a horrible lawyer, hired solely based on AA, and relegated to the back office since she was a horrible wretch to deal with.
ahahahaha... man are you a mad little shit.. She mad more money in 1 year than you did.. being horrible. hahahahahhaha kill yourself..
she went to Princeton and Harvard..
and you did what?... and youre better...hahahha
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Ok - she was a lawyer for Barney the Purple Dino.
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Michelle Obama's Law Firm Boss: She Was An Insufferable Complainer
http://www.patriotroom.com ^ | October 6, 2008 | Bill Dupray
No kidding? The Disgruntled One was also a whiny pain in the ass at her first law job?
Being Barney The Purple Dinosaur's lawyer might do it to you.
The group went out of its way to give Michelle work suited to her interests. When an opportunity came in to handle the budding public television career of Barney, the purple dinosaur poised to become a phenomenon among American children, Goldstein says he and others felt it had Michelle's name written all over it.
"Michelle had some smattering of public interest" experience, says Goldstein, who is now at the firm of Freeborn & Peters in Chicago, "and so we said, 'That's it: Public television, you're in on it.' "
The firm's task was to manage the trademark protection and distribution of Barney plush toys and other merchandise, Goldstein says, and to negotiate with public television stations that wanted to broadcast the show.
You will be shocked to know that the same endearing personality traits we have grown to love were also on full display at Sidley & Austin.
Quincy White, the partner who helped recruit Michelle and who headed the marketing group, remembers finding her a challenge to manage. White, who is now retired from the firm, says he gave her the most interesting work he could find, in part because he wanted to see her advance, but also because she seemed perennially dissatisfied.
She was, White recalls, "quite possibly the most ambitious associate that I've ever seen." She wanted significant responsibility right away and was not afraid to object if she wasn't getting what she felt she deserved, he says. . . .
[The work was] too monotonous for Michelle, who, White says, complained that the work he gave her was unsatisfactory.
More . . .
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7 pages of this shit? geeze...
Fuck both of these families in the ass with a ten foot pole.
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Mal, I hate to say it but you're melting pretty hard here. Got to stay chill, brother.
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Mal, I hate to say it but you're melting pretty hard here.
I have fun with some of this silly shit. This is getbig - if i want to be 100% serious all the time, this is not the place.
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Mal, I hate to say it but you're melting pretty hard here.
melting.. im not..im fucking with 3333. this dude talks about class success and status.. and they beat him on every front..
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melting.. im not..im fucking with 3333. this dude talks about class success and status.. and they beat him on every front..
That's debatable.
melting.. im not..im fucking with 3333. this dude talks about class success and status.. and they beat him on every front..
It's definitely more fun to troll than play nice.
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3333366....its a private wedding, not a state or national event. Only the US ambassador was invited with is normal with royal weddings. They usually do not invite any sitting presidents...even Tony Blair wasn't invited.