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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Tre on December 20, 2010, 01:18:30 PM
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Reason 1589: Getting to enjoy the Raider game with my daughter from a private suite near the top of the stadium while thousands of fans were stuck in the pouring rain.
Said the little one to me: "Dad, can we do this every time we come to a game from now on?" :)
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And this got what to do with college?
If you had founded your own it-company at the time you decided to waste time in college, you now would probably have your own stadium... :-\
Maybe even own team...
But hey! Good choice :D
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to get high education to live comfortably, and THEN get children of your own is plus minus zero, way to fucking waste your life :D
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College is great & vast majority need it.
But people don't know what college is. College prepares you for a career that you will have for the next 30 years (slavery)
It DOES NOT teach you how to make money.
Real talk...I know 3 guys who make over $300k a year with their own business.
1 guy dropped out of high school
1 guy dropped out & got GED
1 guy finished high school & took a few junior college courses
They all work hard but they work on their own time & do whatever the fuck they want.
I also know successful guys who work 40-70 hours a week & live comfortably as well who went to college.
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Very, very few people get rich or wealthy working for someone else...they key is having the balls, motivation, persistence and smarts to run your own business...It's really not that hard if you have the brains...
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There's always exceptions to the rule, but on average a college grad with a bachelors earns $1 million more over their career than a high school graduate. And if you have a higher degree, the disparity is even greater.
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Very, very few people get rich or wealthy working for someone else...they key is having the balls, motivation, persistence and smarts to run your own business...It's really not that hard if you have the brains...
sucks that you're stupid, eh? ;D
trenuggs, what school gives masters in schmoery?
what'd you major in?
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sucks that you're stupid, eh? ;D
trenuggs, what school gives masters in schmoery?
what'd you major in?
You know that's no where near the truth...even if you wanted it to be.
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College is great if you get to be a lawyer because you can really change things and mix things up, or if you're gonna be a head executive in the biggest insurance company then yes college is great because you get a high status in society and you get to make some rules. Other than that you're going to be a slave ::), but who cares at that point.
I've heard few bankers complain that their job is dull and they hate it... some say it just guarantees them a sure well paid job and that you can't be fired obviously because you work in a bank but whatever.
Owning your own business and running it right however will make you your own boss and make you even more money, it requires much more trouble though and being up to date with your paper work and basicly you live your work every second because you have no work insurances, but whatever...
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College is great & vast majority need it.
But people don't know what college is. College prepares you for a career that you will have for the next 30 years (slavery)
It DOES NOT teach you how to make money.
Real talk...I know 3 guys who make over $300k a year with their own business.
1 guy dropped out of high school
1 guy dropped out & got GED
1 guy finished high school & took a few junior college courses
They all work hard but they work on their own time & do whatever the fuck they want.
I also know successful guys who work 40-70 hours a week & live comfortably as well who went to college.
When you think about 300k is not that much, depending on what they do, the materials needed, rent for the office, employee checks, 300k is living in the poor house....but you didn't specify if that was take home pay or not.
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I couldn't take college seriously because I couldn't stomach the thought of being a total slave for thirty years back then. So I got a worthless degree and became an even more pathetic slave.
I'm always thinking though... trying to find a way out of this mess.
STAY POSITIVE! :D
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Let's assume that's take home pay Parker...23gs a month would make me a very, very happy man...
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Let's assume that's take home pay Parker...23gs a month would make me a very, very happy man...
Not enough to by the Ferrari I want, I got to make more...
Yeah, you are correct that would be good, especially for single man...
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I couldn't take college seriously because I couldn't stomach the thought of being a total slave for thirty years back then. So I got a worthless degree and became an even more pathetic slave.I'm always thinking though... trying to find a way out of this mess.
STAY POSITIVE! :D
haha lol :D
anyway I don't understand getbigs obsession with "ferrari" amount of monthly pay... what is that lol :D
I would be "rich" if I got 6000 euros a month, I wouldn't have a care in the world after that.
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Not enough to by the Ferrari I want, I got to make more...
Yeah, you are correct that would be good, especially for single man...
That's beyond good that's fucking great. Once you have your basics, house, vehicle, investments...assuming you don't go crazy and spend it on bullshit, you have that money coming in EVERY month...I think you'd be able to get your Ferrari if you were single...If I had that kind of money coming in, I could be a millionaire within 5 years guaranteed.
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You know that's no where near the truth...even if you wanted it to be.
i like you man. i think you're an intelligent guy, but i also think you're lazy and look for the easy way out often.
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Very, very few people get rich or wealthy working for someone else...they key is having the balls, motivation, persistence and smarts to run your own business...It's really not that hard if you have the brains...
It's actually just about the hardest thing you could do, esp. if you have the brains for it.
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That's beyond good that's fucking great. Once you have your basics, house, vehicle, investments...assuming you don't go crazy and spend it on bullshit, you have that money coming in EVERY month...I think you'd be able to get your Ferrari if you were single...If I had that kind of money coming in, I could be a millionaire within 5 years guaranteed.
The American way....i knew a dude who was ALWAYS claiming broke, and when the latest electronic thing came out, he had it. Fisrt in line for every game, every new game console. Worked two jobs, one at Apple...never saving money, no investments...
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i like you man. i think you're an intelligent guy, but i also think you're lazy and look for the easy way out often.
You are 100% correct..If I could solve this, I'd be a rich and successful man....What's worse is knowing this and not knowing what to do to change it... :'( :'( :'(
So I'm left with being an idea-log and book smart but nothing to show for it...My younger brother on the other hand who is not educated and not as intelligent as I makes over 600K per year and he is his only employee but he works ALL THE TIME.
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Very, very few people get rich or wealthy working for someone else...they key is having the money, balls, motivation, money, connections, persistence, smarts, money and connections to run your own business...It's really not that hard if you have the brains...
fixed :)
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College is great for digging girls.
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You are 100% correct..If I could solve this, I'd be a rich and successful man....What's worse is knowing this and not knowing what to do to change it... :'( :'( :'(
So I'm left with being an idea-log and book smart but nothing to show for it...My younger brother on the other hand who is not educated and not as intelligent as I makes over 600K per year and he is his only employee but he works ALL THE TIME.
600k as employee? What industry? lol
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Other than my American-made pickup truck and an iPhone, I don't own jack shit. I'm paying the mortgage on my daughter's house (baby mama gets to live there rent-free until the kid kicks her out) and renting a pretty bad-ass studio which gives me a nice tax write-off.
I have a moderate emergency fund, but I spend all mine on experiences and investments and if I died later today, my daughter would be well taken care of with a self-sustaining business that'll provide for her for years to come.
The people I networked with at school are the ones who confirmed the lessons my Grandaddy taught me about money.
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600k as employee? What industry? lol
It's his business and he's the CEO, technically he is an employee...
Rentals
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It's his business and he's the CEO, technically he is an employee...
Rentals
Where did he get the starting capital from?
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You are 100% correct..If I could solve this, I'd be a rich and successful man....What's worse is knowing this and not knowing what to do to change it... :'( :'( :'(
So I'm left with being an idea-log and book smart but nothing to show for it...My younger brother on the other hand who is not educated and not as intelligent as I makes over 600K per year and he is his only employee but he works ALL THE TIME.
Well at least you know Kai, that should account for something?
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Where did he get the starting capital from?
He started really small and the money he initially made, he invested back into the business and kept expanding to what it is today...Everything he did he did it himself...He now owns a sports team also...(not giving details). Dude is always trying to make business deals and is obsessed with money...He has a wife and 4 kids. Not saying that's bad, it's just not me.
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Why don't we compare wealthy people who went to college vs. wealthy people who did not?
These threads are funny.
I love the "well I know (insert random exception to the rule) who makes millions and they never went to college"!
The fact is this: you are far more likely to become wealthy with a college degree.
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He stated really small and the money he initially made, he invested back into the business and kept expanding to what it is today...Everything he did he did it himself...He now owns a sports team also...(not giving details). Dude is always trying to make business deals and is obsessed with money...He has a wife and 4 kids. Not saying that's bad, it's just not me.
How much did he have to start out with? (approx.?) Thx for infos if possible.
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How much did he have to start out with? (approx.?) Thx for infos if possible.
In all honesty, I don't know...He was still in the Air Force when he got started and we really don't talk that often now.
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Why don't we compare wealthy people who went to college vs. wealthy people who did not?
These threads are funny.
I love the "well I know (insert random exception to the rule) who makes millions and they never went to college"!
The fact is this: you are far more likely to become wealthy with a college degree.
Correct. The instances of people that are successful that didn't go to college are very, very, very small.
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The most successfull people never went to college. In college they just reproduce what the super-successfull have implemented in the first place.
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i went to college so i had something to put on a resume....haven't even considered a career for what my degree is for..
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The most successfull people never went to college. In college they just reproduce what the super-successfull have implemented in the first place.
Bullshit.
Prove this. I can prove you wrong pretty easily.
Would you consider being a ceo of a major company, the head of a hedge fund or president of the most powerful country on earth, success?
College gives you experience, without the risk. It reproduces what the successful have done, minus the mistakes made along the way.
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i went to college so i had something to put on a resume....haven't even considered a career for what my degree is for..
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i don't think they HAVE a degree for what you do for a livin, stud. ;D
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The most successfull people never went to college. In college they just reproduce what the super-successfull have implemented in the first place.
the most successfull people DID go to college......but all dropped out....
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i don't think they HAVE a degree for what you do for a livin, stud. ;D
geometry and math is about the only two things that i think could translate to what i do...
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the most successfull people DID go to college......but all dropped out....
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Name all the hedge fund managers who are making 90 million a year who dropped out of college.
Name all the modern presidents who dropped out of college
For every college drop out billionaire, there are a million multi millionairs.
Remove the major extremes, and think about it.
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Your own business is the way to go so you dont get caught up in the corporate red tape bullshit.
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Bullshit.
Prove this. I can prove you wrong pretty easily.
Would you consider being a ceo of a major company or president of the most powerful country on earth, success?
In college they thell u what people like him have done (skilled toolmaker; today's net worth 4 billion $)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Stronach
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And this got what to do with college?
If you had founded your own it-company at the time you decided to waste time in college, you now would probably have your own stadium... :-\
Maybe even own team...
But hey! Good choice :D
right on
school teaches one to be a slave
my advice for young realise yes amateurs are in power positions and so can you be
look at president for gosh sakes
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Name all the hedge fund managers who are making 90 million a year who dropped out of college.
Name all the modern presidents who dropped out of college
For every college drop out billionaire, there are a million multi millionairs.
Remove the major extremes, and think about it.
but there is only 1 worlds richest man.....and he blew that Popsicle stand...
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Your own business is the way to go so you dont get caught up in the corporate red tape bullshit.
Depends, then you get caught up in all your own bullshit, and owning a business generally accrues more working hours than working for someone else.
When you first start, you are all channels. Accounting, marketing, sales - etc.
Then if you make it, you hire a bunch of smart college educated fuckers to run your shit for you.
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the most successfull people DID go to college......but all dropped out....
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Exactly, Zuckerberg, Gates - all drop-outs.
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Name all the hedge fund managers who are making 90 million a year who dropped out of college.
Name all the modern presidents who dropped out of college
For every college drop out billionaire, there are a million multi millionairs.
Remove the major extremes, and think about it.
Spot on. People who hit it big after dropping out from college and starting their own ventures are like those that win the lottery - they make the headlines and get a lot of spotlight, but are hardly representative of the success that goes with being an entrepreneur.
You aren't guaranteed success if you are a graduate, but it does give you a lot of options and something to fall back on, when it comes to having a career or just earning a living.
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but there is only 1 worlds richest man.....and he blew that Popsicle stand...
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Ok. But the argument is that you are more likely to become rich with a college degree which is true.
Bill gets is an extreme - extreme.
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Exactly, Zuckerberg, Gates - all drop-outs.
And for those two dropouts, there are 10 million millionairs who didn't drop out.
The example is a poor one, as the extreme wealth those two have earned is unlikely for anyone to attain, period.
All the college dropouts I know work average jobs making average money. No billionairs.
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And for those two dropouts, there are 10 million millionairs who didn't drop out.
The example is a poor one, as the extreme wealth those two have earned is unlikely for anyone to attain, period.
All the college dropouts I know work average jobs making average money. No billionairs.
And how many college graduates you know are billionaires? ;D
You're acting like any college degree holder is automatically hired as 90 mill/yr hedgefund-manager. Being rich and successfull like that is unlikely either way, with or without degree. As realistic as winning the lottery.
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dropping out of university was the second best thing I've ever done
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College is great for digging girls.
that's half the reason for going to school :D
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I went to college because my parents drilled into my head that I was going...and there was no argument in that... i learned alot
So, FB guy is a billionaire, yet he may not be as rich in personality (which is why he developed facebook in the firstplace---to meet women), and he has a frumpy girlfriend. Many of us look at the people in a one dimensional way---that the person has money. But are the pressures more greater to keep that money, that image?
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And how many college graduates you know are billionaires? ;D
You're acting like any college degree holder is automatically hired as 90 mill/yr hedgefund-manager. Being rich and successfull like that is unlikely either way, with or without degree. As realistic as winning the lottery.
That was never my point. Citing a billionaire is a bad example, as it's so rare, no one really has the chance to become one. The vast majority of "rich" people went to college.
I'm not acting like anything, I'm stating that you have a better chance of becoming a millionaire with a college education vs. without.
My brother-in-law works for a NYC hedge as an analyst, and you would be laughed out of the interview of any major hedge if you went to a state school nevermind didn't have a degree + mba from Ivy or Wharton. Are massive comanies like GE hiring college drop outs? Presidents all dropping out of Boise State? Or are these people going to schools like Harvard and Yale?
I'm not saying you NEED to go to college, I'm saying that it gives you a better chance of making a lot of money.
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That was never my point. Citing a billionaire is a bad example, as it's so rare, no one really has the chance to become one. The vast majority of "rich" people went to college.
I'm not acting like anything, I'm stating that you have a better chance of becoming a millionaire with a college education vs. without.
My brother-in-law works for a NYC hedge as an analyst, and you would be laughed out of the interview of any major hedge if you went to a state school nevermind didn't have a degree + mba from Ivy or Wharton. Are massive comanies like GE hiring college drop outs? Presidents all dropping out of Boise State? Or are these people going to schools like Harvard and Yale?
I'm not saying you NEED to go to college, I'm saying that it gives you a better chance of making a lot of money.
what about the great pedigrees of all the hedge fund managers that blow up every year?
bernie madoff made billions, but in the end was just a thief whose song hung himself. he was also a college dropout.
if i started what i do now out of high school, i'd be 200 k richer (assuming i lived at home, made 50k/year starting out) if i just put it into savings without investing. but i lost 4 years of my life and whatever in state tuition (that i paid off, thank god).
but i have 4 years of experience and can form a sentence, which most of the people i'm around every day can't. so i don't know, i guess i break even.
i have a 4 year degree that i have no use for (political science). my sister just graduated law school, has 160k in debt, is 26 years old, and has no job and lives in momma's basement.
she was shocked that after getting into all that debt, not once did they tell her how she'll make that money. so, you have to have initiative and a huge nutsack to make it.
my wife's friend has a law degree from harvard and can currently be seen serving beer at a popular bar chain. why? cuz she's a dork loser who chokes at job interviews.
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That was never my point. Citing a billionaire is a bad example, as it's so rare, no one really has the chance to become one. The vast majority of "rich" people went to college.
I'm not acting like anything, I'm stating that you have a better chance of becoming a millionaire with a college education vs. without.
My brother-in-law works for a NYC hedge as an analyst, and you would be laughed out of the interview of any major hedge if you went to a state school nevermind didn't have a degree + mba from Ivy or Wharton. Are massive comanies like GE hiring college drop outs? Presidents all dropping out of Boise State? Or are these people going to schools like Harvard and Yale?
I'm not saying you NEED to go to college, I'm saying that it gives you a better chance of making a lot of money.
Depends on the fund. Bridgewater recruits from state schools, the CEO went to some dumpy undergrad school (Harvard MBA, though) and they're arguably one of the five most successful HFs on the planet. But I agree with the rest of your post. 8)
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Very, very few people get rich or wealthy working for someone else...they key is having the balls, motivation, persistence and smarts to run your own business...It's really not that hard if you have the brains...
It can be done.
1) Commit to the job. Work weekends and holidays, if you are offered gigs around the world, take them because they pay you more. That alone will double your income, meaning easy 25-30 $/h. This kind of money is easily accessible to the blue collar workers, with no much education needed. That's amazing.
2) Save every penny. This is harder. Most won't make it this far.
3) Buy stock, invest, and be smart about it.
To me that's easy. ;D
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i like you man. i think you're an intelligent guy, but i also think you're lazy and look for the easy way out often.
Racist remark reported.
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Ok. But the argument is that you are more likely to become rich with a college degree which is true.
Bill gets is an extreme - extreme.
Bill Gates is not the world's richest man.
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Bill Gates is not the world's richest man.
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Yep, it's a Mexican
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Yep, it's a Mexican
who took advantage of all the illegals buying minutes to call home...
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who took advantage of all the illegals buying minutes to call home...
If he hadn't, someone else from the states would have.
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I'm talking about the great majority of the population. Most people think that without college it's hard to succeed and make money. Which is false.
Without college it is hard to find a GOOD CAREER.
Anyone can go to college and put in hard time and hard work to become (insert high paying profession)
I'm talking about your everyday entrepreneur that makes money.
My buddy made $10K profit selling fucking toothbrushes online...last week. Fucker got his GED after dropping out of high school. Great majority of college grads starting out do not make $10K in 3 months.
THe point is college does not teach you how to become rich and make BIG money. College teaches you how to get into a career that you will have to be in for 30 years.
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THe point is college does not teach you how to become rich and make BIG money. College teaches you how to get into a career that you will have to be in for 30 years.
There is no education to school anyone to become really rich.
It's all about having a great idea and able to adapt that in real life to make cash flowing. The idea can be anything if it works.
Or you can just become F1-racer or pro bodybuilder.
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If he hadn't, someone else from the states would have.
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No, an American profitting of of illegals, who'd have thought...
I'm talking about the great majority of the population. Most people think that without college it's hard to succeed and make money. Which is false.
Without college it is hard to find a GOOD CAREER.
Anyone can go to college and put in hard time and hard work to become (insert high paying profession)
I'm talking about your everyday entrepreneur that makes money.
My buddy made $10K profit selling fucking toothbrushes online...last week. Fucker got his GED after dropping out of high school. Great majority of college grads starting out do not make $10K in 3 months.
THe point is college does not teach you how to become rich and make BIG money. College teaches you how to get into a career that you will have to be in for 30 years.
true, but who the hell was he selling toothbrushes to? Crackheads? Most people are born with a toothbrush stuck in their faces...
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No, an American profitting of of illegals, who'd have thought...true, but who the hell was he selling toothbrushes to? Crackheads? Most people are born with a toothbrush stuck in their faces...
That's my point... you can't learn intangible things like that in college. Everyone that finds out how this kid makes his money just bust out laughing because it's so silly. Getting rich selling toothbrushes...wtf.
95% of people are sheep. They think the only way to get rich is to hit it big in the lotto, invest in stock market, pro athlete, actor...etc. It's the out of the box eccentric thinkers who are risk takers that make it big...you don't need school to make you a big thinker.
It's not even about having that "million dollar idea" ...it goes beyond that.
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I'm talking about the great majority of the population. Most people think that without college it's hard to succeed and make money. Which is false.
Without college it is hard to find a GOOD CAREER.
Anyone can go to college and put in hard time and hard work to become (insert high paying profession)
I'm talking about your everyday entrepreneur that makes money.
My buddy made $10K profit selling fucking toothbrushes online...last week. Fucker got his GED after dropping out of high school. Great majority of college grads starting out do not make $10K in 3 months.
THe point is college does not teach you how to become rich and make BIG money. College teaches you how to get into a career that you will have to be in for 30 years.
In one way, you kind of sort of understand the big picture, but, in another way, you're completely off.
You seem like a smart young man phuck, so let's put it in simple terms for the "rest" of the folks here.
College is like learning to play chess from someone. The person teaching you will explain the rules and teach you how to simply play the game, but what they won't teach you is how to become an effective winner at the game or, even better yet, how to beat them at their own game. Why? Because by doing so, they will give away that same skill that places them in demand and once they do that, they destroy their own worth and end up nowhere.
The only problem with your statement is that you assume that any ambitious youngster even without a college degree, but with enough chutzpah can pick up and, with just the right amount of luck and determination, become a millionaire.
Sadly, in today's world, having a college degree is kind of like the accepted standard for employment in most jobs. There was a time when just knowing how to read and write could get you a job in most places, then a high school diploma became the basic standard, followed by a GED and now a 4-year college degree is the "least" you could have to get your ass in the door for a very basic position.
Today, companies and even small business owners don't want to risk losing money on hiring someone that won't become a proven asset for their company/workplace, someone who can give them a decent return on the time and overall investment they place into you. While having a college degree is no guarantee, it sure makes them feel a little more at ease than just hiring some Riffraff off the street.
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Basically, One, your first part is "The game is to be sold, not told"
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I went to college and it was a big mistake. Didn't really get me anything. I wish I would have just hustled and worked hard out of high school instead of fucking around at college for years.
College in the USA is fun and you learn a lot of "interesting" things. But not much practical skills.
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You're missing my point.
FUCK working for someone else. That's my point.
I know better than to think anyone with work ethic and luck can become a millionaire. Also, luck is bullshit. There is no luck. Luck = hard work and opportunity that you create for yourself through consistency.
There is no one formula for becoming a millionaire, because if there was...everyone would be one.
If you read books about ultra rich, millionaires, successful people ...really studying them you can see patterns.
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College in the USA is fun and you learn a lot of "interesting" things. But not much practical skills.
If you go to college to earn a bullshit degree in fluff you will certainly have that mentality. If you go to college and get a Bachelor's degree in something practical like Accounting, you can then make a living without having to sell yourself and a make-believe degree to some potential employer by describing the amount of potential you have if only given a chance.
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Bill Gates is not the world's richest man.
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negative...that guy was only the worlds richest man for a few months...gates is back on top again...
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negative...that guy was only the worlds richest man for a few months...gates is back on top again...
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You have to realize that the holder of world's richest position changes rapidly. Mainly because their fortunes consist of exchange traded securities, whose values are determined in every second when exchanges are open.
It's basically between Warren Buffett (Teh Greatest of them), Gates and this Slim dude.
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Bill Gates quit college and he has more money than God.
College is mostly to show people that you can actually finish something.
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If you go to college to earn a bullshit degree in fluff you will certainly have that mentality. If you go to college and get a Bachelor's degree in something practical like Accounting, you can then make a living without having to sell yourself and a make-believe degree to some potential employer by describing the amount of potential you have if only given a chance.
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About 80% of the majors are fluff. Something like accounting is practical, you're right.
The options are very limited.
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You have to realize that the holder of world's richest position changes rapidly. Mainly because their fortunes consist of exchange traded securities, whose values are determined in every second when exchanges are open.
It's basically between Warren Buffett (Teh Greatest of them), Gates and this Slim dude.
it doesn't change rapidly....bill gates has held it for 10 years...with a 3 month mulligan....
the best thing you can do with a college education?..pad your resume with the degree, and forget all the bullshit they ever told you...use the resume to get a job with someone who actually knows what the hell they are talking about....because a college professor sure as hell doesn't....that's why they teach theory's, and not facts...
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negative...that guy was only the worlds richest man for a few months...gates is back on top again...
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Negative, as per 12/9/10 Carlos Slim is still the richest man in the Universe.
http://larrykinglive.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/09/icymi-the-worlds-richest-man/ (http://larrykinglive.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/09/icymi-the-worlds-richest-man/)
http://www.nnctoday.com/forbes-magazine-list-of-10-richest-people-in-the-world-in-2010/2206/ (http://www.nnctoday.com/forbes-magazine-list-of-10-richest-people-in-the-world-in-2010/2206/)
Face it Bench, Gates is getting soft on us..
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it doesn't change rapidly....bill gates has held it for 10 years...with a 3 month mulligan....
I'm not aware of exact facts on how Forbes (or any other organization for that matter) calculates their yearly ranking but I can assure you that top spot changes often.
Due to the fact that their fortunes mainly consist of exchange traded securities.
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My business partner and I are smart, work hard, and surround ourselves with other smart, hard-working people.
It could all be gone in a year, but it's been a helluva ride.
And if the well does run dry in 2012, it's nice to know we've each made solid investments and networked effectively during this run of good fortune.
There's a lot of luck in being able to capitalize on the timing that luck requires. Sure, preparation met opportunity, but the timing of that opportunity coming along for us was pure luck, because neither of us believes that anyone's personal god is a life micro-manager.