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BTW MB brought this up.
Would Jay still top fella?
Kai?
Phil?
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Considering their respective ages and the fact that Jay is most likely doing incredible amounts of GH and Kai doing incredible amounts of everything, Phil should "resist" the best and shrink less then the other two. But I'd bet that if they were off for a year, they'd look closer to the three stooges than to their actual selves.
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something like that...
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Considering their respective ages and the fact that Jay is most likely doing incredible amounts of GH and Kai doing incredible amounts of everything, Phil should "resist" the best and shrink less then the other two. But I'd bet that if they were off for a year, they'd look closer to the three stooges than to their actual selves.
Phil has less of a base than any of the three but the best shape.
Jay has the best genetics for size naturally.
Kai has the best base naturally.
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Genetics rule it would be the same top guys as it is today.
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Phil has less of a base than any of the three.
Jay has the best genetics for nice naturally.
Kai has the best base naturally.
They all rely heavily and mostly on drugs, so it would be who loses less size on a year time span. Age is a factor and how much drugs you're doing is the other. All those guys are way past their "genetics and base".
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I dont know, but they wont be any different than they are now, maybe lose 30-40 pounds, still be on the 200+range little soft=bigger than most gym rats on juice i would say
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The drugs really just accentuate what they are already working. It can be hard to strip away all the steroidal muscle and see what lies beneath but from what I can tell I would guess Jay
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Skip la cure and Mike o hern
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I'd imagine that the guys who had the best "natural" base would do best. It's kind of unrealistic to think Kai was natty when he won Team Universe but you'd imagine he was on low doses, so I think he'd do well. Most guys would have to adapt their training and diet to a style more conducive to muscle retention. There'd be a lot of Skip LaCour and Jeff Willet look-alike's on stage.
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Perhaps a longer time period is needed or the question needs to be reworded.
If these none of the 2010 Olympia lineup had ever taken drugs, AAS, GH, slin, diuretics, and any peptides, who would likely be the top fella. I don't believe that shit for a second that the same guys would be on top.
Some guys respond to drugs better than others, and some guys are naturally built better but might not respond to drugs as well...
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Genetics rule it would be the same top guys as it is today.
I tend to agree with this. No one can say that Jay or anyone else is more dependent upon drugs than the other competitors.
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Kai would win easily. He had an excellent physique when he was "natural" or close to it.
Phil is absolutely all drugs. He would deflate FAST.
Jay would look like a trainwreck. He's been on huge amounts of PEDS since he was a teenager. He goes completely clean and he's going to get even fatter, smoother and softer than the marshmallow he already is.
Branch, well it's hard to imagine Branch looking any worse than he already does so going clean might actually improve his physique. ;D
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I tend to agree with this. No one can say that Jay or anyone else is more dependent upon drugs than the other competitors.
Jay started juicing at 18-19 years old...fuck yes he's dependent.
Phil a great responder but a average gym black guy base.
Kai, great base but wide waist naturally.
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Kai would win easily. He had an excellent physique when he was "natural" or close to it.
Phil is absolutely all drugs. He would deflate FAST.
Jay would look like a trainwreck. He's been on huge amounts of PEDS since he was a teenager. He goes completely clean and he's going to get even fatter, smoother and softer than the marshmallow he already is.
Branch, well it's hard to imagine Branch looking any worse than he already does so going clean might actually improve his physique. ;D
This. Fellas with the best base or waited longest to juice would more than likely do better. Example, if Coleman was in it, he'd easily win.
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Kai would win easily. He had an excellent physique when he was "natural" or close to it.
Oh yeah you mean when he used about 3 grams of testosterona a week.
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I'll say it again: AGE is a factor. We're talking hormones here. So yes, originally, Kai had the better potential but he's in his thirties and so is Jay. At least, Phil still has some natural GH runing through his body. What I don't know and can only speculate about is how your body responds if you've been on the sauce for 5 or 10 or 15 years? I'd guess that would have an effect (a guy like Jay to me would turn into a totally different person once off).
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I'll say it again: AGE is a factor. We're talking hormones here. So yes, originally, Kai had the better potential but he's in his thirties and so is Jay. At least, Phil still has some natural GH runing through his body. What I don't know and can only speculate about is how your body responds if you've been on the sauce for 5 or 10 or 15 years? I'd guess that would have an effect (a guy like Jay to me would turn into a totally different person once off).
Phil is 31, Kai is 35, Jay is 37.
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Jay started juicing at 18-19 years old...fuck yes he's dependent.
Phil a great responder but a average gym black guy base.
Kai, great base but wide waist naturally.
They're all dependent, but it's hard to say who has gone past the point of no return. What about a guy like Johnnie Jackson who has a good base and trains heavy? He would probably do well if he could get his conditioning down competing clean.
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Damn! I thought Phil was way younger than this. Like 26 or 27.
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Damn! I thought Phil was way younger than this. Like 26 or 27.
Nope, Phil turned 31 December 18th..
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They're all dependent, but it's hard to say who has gone past the point of no return. What about a guy like Johnnie Jackson who has a good base and trains heavy? He would probably do well if he could get his conditioning down competing clean.
Yep, Johnny would do really well.
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phil would look like he never touched weight after 12 months off everything,,most likley 160 lb which is less than what he started with ,,absolitely no base what so ever ,,blow up doll with lots and lots of drugs into the fake muscle,,he would be last
jason would be 220 15% he would be the biggest and most likley will pull it well,,eventhough it would be like dorian look today to a lesser degree since jason is no dorian when it comes to solid muscle
greene would be weird looking fella very similar to palumbo,,he will be maller than palumbo after 12 month with no hormones in system
so jason would still look better than both but look st the number im giving you here
2 2 0 / 15% after 12 months off hormone completely,,not even a lb over it and bf wont be even remotely close to singles
2 years and over being completly clean will take jason to where he truly belong 190 15%
gh15 approved
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They're all dependent, but it's hard to say who has gone past the point of no return. What about a guy like Johnnie Jackson who has a good base and trains heavy? He would probably do well if he could get his conditioning down competing clean.
Well, remember that one occurence in 1990: the so-called tested 'O. I you really take off the juice from the mix, the guys with smaller frames but better natural proportions and symmetry will have the advantage: like Labrada who didn't look that different actually or guys like Benfatto. I'd guess a guy like Rockel who has a pretty solid work ethic could do good.
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phil would look like he never touched weight after 12 months off everything,,most likley 160 lb which is less than what he started with ,,absolitely no base what so ever ,,blow up doll with lots and lots of drugs into the fake muscle,,he would be last
jason would be 220 15% he would be the biggest and most likley will pull it well,,eventhough it would be like dorian look today to a lesser degree since jason is no dorian when it comes to solid muscle
greene would be weird looking fella very similar to palumbo,,he will be maller than palumbo after 12 month with no hormones in system
so jason would still look better than both but look st the number im giving you here
2 2 0 / 15% after 12 months off hormone completely,,not even a lb over it and bf wont be even remotely close to singles
2 years and over being completly clean will take jason to where he truly belong 190 15%
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Thought you said Jay was the worse 'O ever and that he was all GH.
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phillip is actually a very very small guy,,he i sub gym rat when it comes to actual size due to horrid structure of the pectorial and calvicle area,,very equivelant of a girl that is 20 year old
greene is again a black palumbo with better over all result but same idea...
jason has solid muscle under the blub of shit he presents ,,he has about 50 lb of shit on him ,,somewhere at that zone,,he will maintain 220 for about 6-12 months ,,then if stop training for a bit which he will because no one train with out hormone in system ....he will be at 190 zone at 15% super fast,,,
all of this will never happen though,,those are addicts for life,,no hormones for them = death not because they wont be able to live ,,but because they wont be able to function normally in society ,,meaning its like crack addict ,,crack is very hard drug that addicition to never really stop ,,it usually take you to grave,,same with hormones but with out the severeity ,,they all complete dependent of hormones,,and will never stop again ,,
gh15 approved
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phil would look like he never touched weight after 12 months off everything,,most likley 160 lb which is less than what he started with ,,absolitely no base what so ever ,,blow up doll with lots and lots of drugs into the fake muscle,,he would be last
jason would be 220 15% he would be the biggest and most likley will pull it well,,eventhough it would be like dorian look today to a lesser degree since jason is no dorian when it comes to solid muscle
greene would be weird looking fella very similar to palumbo,,he will be maller than palumbo after 12 month with no hormones in system
so jason would still look better than both but look st the number im giving you here
2 2 0 / 15% after 12 months off hormone completely,,not even a lb over it and bf wont be even remotely close to singles
2 years and over being completly clean will take jason to where he truly belong 190 15%
gh15 approved
Assume they were preparing for a contest naturally...Jay's 220 at 15% won't cut it...Jay would be 201 @ 7% bf and that's assuming he didn't lose any muscle while dieting (which wouldn't happen)...If Jay were preparing for a show naturally after a year, 100% natural, no GH, no slin, no AAS and try to come in the same condition, 5-6% bf as natural, he would be 195 -200 at best.
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Thought you said Jay was the worse 'O ever and that he was all GH.
he is ,,the gh gave him good 50lb on there of lean syntetic muscle,,it will go away the day he pull the plug out on needle ,,but he wont he is addict,,gh for him for life,,just the shame of showing in public 190 will prevent him from doing that,,and ofcourse....there is severe mental iue that will not let him do it ,,since the brain is the strongest part of human body ,,his brain will not allow him to do it due to the shame ,,trust me i been in thei for very long time,,its mental,,look atr dorian walking around 215,,he can tstop it he uses less but he know moment he is out of test and gh he is saying bye bye to life he wont be ab;e to function and will be 180lb like he was the few times he went off,,soft 180!
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Speaking of this topic, does anyone remember the "drug-free" show that the WBF put on in the early 90s? Mike Quinn and Aaron Baker looked especially bad.
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So what's exactly your take on this? See, I don't know shit about AAS but my idiotic guess would be that the one doing more (and for the longest time span) would suffer the biggest drawback. So would you think different if we speculate on two years clean? Would that change the facts? Considering that what Wiggs is saying is that those guys would still train (albeit not the same way).
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If all the pros went drug free. Some getbigger or black dude off the street with good genetics would go on stage and dominate.
Seriously.
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If all the pros went drug free. Some getbigger or black dude off the street with good genetics would go on stage and dominate.
Seriously.
Jamaica Village Mesomorph.
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only thing you need to do is look at phillip pictures before hormones,,back at 17-18-19 well i dotn know exactly when he started but he started early ,,look into a picture of him befor estarting ,,thats how small he will be with OUT the muscle he had then because he will be off hormones hyptetically ....so the muscle he had then as base wont be able to maintain due to zero test production that will come back to normal slow...but at that time all muscle will be losee ,,similar to mr mustafa,,ofcourse the gh and insnulin size will be out the window within 6-12 months no matter what steroid he take,,yet he cant take even steroid since he is hypotetically CLEAN lol
so phillip will look wore,,fella like adonis will wipe the floor with him thats how sad it will be ,,he will oook like romano off juice lol will have some muscle shape remained but similar to kevin when kevin was 175 ,,only worse because kevin had foundation lol you get the idea....
greene just ruined his midsection for life,,he is mutant ,,but not cadavar mutant so he will shrink not like phillip shrink since he has more foundation but he will sit at a shrinkable size,,again he wont be able to be recognized
jason ....well he will look like a chubb chubb frat boy all american usa ,,very common around usa ,,go to sororitys i mean fraternities lol youll see them all over the place,,chunky with some bloofy look
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Genetics rule it would be the same top guys as it is today.
All three are so structurally flawed that without the mass they would look below average.
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only thing you need to do is look at phillip pictures before hormones,,back at 17-18-19 well i dotn know exactly when he started but he started early ,,look into a picture of him befor estarting ,,thats how small he will be with OUT the muscle he had then because he will be off hormones hyptetically ....so the muscle he had then as base wont be able to maintain due to zero test production that will come back to normal slow...but at that time all muscle will be losee ,,similar to mr mustafa,,ofcourse the gh and insnulin size will be out the window within 6-12 months no matter what steroid he take,,yet he cant take even steroid since he is hypotetically CLEAN lol
so phillip will look wore,,fella like adonis will wipe the floor with him thats how sad it will be ,,he will oook like romano off juice lol will have some muscle shape remained but similar to kevin when kevin was 175 ,,only worse because kevin had foundation lol you get the idea....
greene just ruined his midsection for life,,he is mutant ,,but not cadavar mutant so he will shrink not like phillip shrink since he has more foundation but he will sit at a shrinkable size,,again he wont be able to be recognized
jason ....well he will look like a chubb chubb frat boy all american usa ,,very common around usa ,,go to sororitys i mean fraternities lol youll see them all over the place,,chunky with some bloofy look
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Your posts are getting better and better. This is actually funny. So which type of Bber (except those three already on the list) would you say that in Wiggs' hypotethical world suffer less from the withdrawal; let's name a few from different era: Zane, Haney, Arnold, Oliva, Robinson,Labrada, Levrone, Dorian, Ronnie of course (I'm not talking only potential but considering what their physique what at their peak and what they were using)?
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all of them will look like shit with out hormone becsause the physiqe is built on hormones,,why do you think they are so quiet ,,why nto suing me through lawyers ? why not askin from ron knowing who gh15 is eventhough he dont know police could try track etc etc and actually few know who gh15 is,,you know why? because they are all drug addicts ,,they cant sue the truth ,,the past and present bodybuilder me included are SWIMING IN HORMONES,,the fact labrada was a shrimp want because he didnt hav emuscle it was because he was not crazy like liarpriest ....he was more sane and used less btu still used whatver needed to compete which was considered and still considered SWIMMING IN HORMONES,,
you cant see a smaller physiqe and think ohhh he is smaller he dont use what the other bigger use,,WRONG,,they use exact same ,,they are just smaller by nature,,shorter ,,little fellas,,
they would all look like shit on no hormone,,from arnold to labrada and inbetween ,,and indeed they looked like shit,,pull up pictures of arnold off since he was the only one who truly went off...look at him
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bodybuilding is ALL DRUGS
no but's,if's,what's etc etc..
whoever disagrees with this statement is a LIAR
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They would all look like a crock of shit, seriously. The transformation heavy drug use takes on your endocrine system in the long run is dire. They would have below-par test levels.
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probably some black guy since they have natural physiques and are mostly
fast twitch muscle..
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The answer would be Robby Robinson...
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This guy
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Mustafa_Mohammad/Mustafa_Mohammad_060.jpg)
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This guy
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Mustafa_Mohammad/Mustafa_Mohammad_060.jpg)
QFT
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Outing myself for posting in this thread :(
.....whoever didn't get discouraged and kept at it in the gym.
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The answer would be Robby Robinson...
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Esp guys with a good V-taper & quality muscle come into play
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Phil has less of a base than any of the three but the best shape.
Jay has the best genetics for size naturally.
Kai has the best base naturally.
Wiggs i bet i could eat more fried chicken than you.
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Darrem Charles would look the best!!
GH15, so are you all drugs? What would you be without the sauce? 180, 12%??
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phil would look like he never touched weight after 12 months off everything,,most likley 160 lb which is less than what he started with ,,absolitely no base what so ever ,,blow up doll with lots and lots of drugs into the fake muscle,,he would be last
jason would be 220 15% he would be the biggest and most likley will pull it well,,eventhough it would be like dorian look today to a lesser degree since jason is no dorian when it comes to solid muscle
greene would be weird looking fella very similar to palumbo,,he will be maller than palumbo after 12 month with no hormones in system
so jason would still look better than both but look st the number im giving you here
2 2 0 / 15% after 12 months off hormone completely,,not even a lb over it and bf wont be even remotely close to singles
2 years and over being completly clean will take jason to where he truly belong 190 15%
gh15 approved
This.
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I thought it would be Nasser.
300+ lbs year round, retired!
edit: WITH ABS!
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I thought it would be Nasser.
300+ lbs year round, retired!
With abs.
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uhh...ronnie
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phillip is actually a very very small guy,,he i sub gym rat when it comes to actual size due to horrid structure of the pectorial and calvicle area,,very equivelant of a girl that is 20 year old
greene is again a black palumbo with better over all result but same idea...
jason has solid muscle under the blub of shit he presents ,,he has about 50 lb of shit on him ,,somewhere at that zone,,he will maintain 220 for about 6-12 months ,,then if stop training for a bit which he will because no one train with out hormone in system ....he will be at 190 zone at 15% super fast,,,
all of this will never happen though,,those are addicts for life,,no hormones for them = death not because they wont be able to live ,,but because they wont be able to function normally in society ,,meaning its like crack addict ,,crack is very hard drug that addicition to never really stop ,,it usually take you to grave,,same with hormones but with out the severeity ,,they all complete dependent of hormones,,and will never stop again ,,
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The guy is right, but in a kind of "no shit sherlock" typse of way. I mean yu dont take THE SAME drugs that you took before to build your 270lbs @10%, you dont train AT ALL (cos we know no drugs = no gym), and you eat something like 2 or 3 meals a day that doesnt even revolve around protein and keeping muscle...yeah, it becomes kind of like a "duuh" statement. why are we all surpised about this?
to back up what gh15 is saying anyhow, luke woods here @ 220lb (guess the bf%) after UNDER a year off clean. not recent, but back in 2007 when first signs of health troubles started going around on message boards
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The guy is right, but in a kind of "no shit sherlock" typse of way. I mean yu dont take THE SAME drugs that you took before to build your 270lbs @10%, you dont train AT ALL (cos we know no drugs = no gym), and you eat something like 2 or 3 meals a day that doesnt even revolve around protein and keeping muscle...yeah, it becomes kind of like a "duuh" statement. why are we all surpised about this?
to back up what gh15 is saying anyhow, luke woods here @ 220lb (guess the bf%) after UNDER a year off clean. not recent, but back in 2007 when first signs of health troubles started going around on message boards
damn :-X
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That is just fucking crazy!!! I really hope he's not sick! Anyone know the real story behind why he gave up lifting and the drugs?
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Kai greene by a mile.
Cutler would look like the smooth, stocky, pasty white guy with lousy shape that he is without the drugs
Heath and greene both have better natural physiques,with much better shape and definition..... but kai is wider and thicker so he would look better than Phil.
Black guys look better than white guys naturally...deal with it
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BTW MB brought this up.
Would Jay still top fella?
Kai?
Phil?
Why, Lee Priest of course... ::)
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Mustafa still blows my mind...biggest de-transformation I've ever seen...
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That is just fucking crazy!!! I really hope he's not sick! Anyone know the real story behind why he gave up lifting and the drugs?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=311378.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=311378.0)
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Tom Prince.
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Maybe someone could post a pic of Paul-Jean Guillume? There is your natural champ 8) CAN'T BE BEAT, WON'T BE BEAT! ;D
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Maybe someone could post a pic of Paul-Jean Guillume? There is your natural champ 8) CAN'T BE BEAT, WON'T BE BEAT! ;D
(http://www.rbimba.lt/faktai/gallery/86x-3.jpg)
or Mike Ashley
(http://www.natural-muscle-mass.com/images/mike-ashley.jpg)
But I still have some reservations whether both men were true naturals or not
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Kai greene by a mile.
Cutler would look like the smooth, stocky, pasty white guy with lousy shape that he is without the drugs
Heath and greene both have better natural physiques,with much better shape and definition..... but kai is wider and thicker so he would look better than Phil.
Black guys look better than white guys naturally...deal with it
Kai is blocky with weird proportions. His legs also used to overpower his upperbody, before he started taking his doses to the next level and got a lot of years training under his belt.
Jay would just be a fat, smooth, blocky mess i agree.
Phil has good shape but very bad skeletal structure and chest insertions, he also had zero definition or size natty.
A very bad bunch to pick from, probably Kai, he is a bit denser and carries the muscle better.
Your last statement is generalistic, although for the most part i agree, with a few notable exceptions.