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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: Fury on January 04, 2011, 06:52:03 PM
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'Nuf said. The UFC can't even field 1/4 of a lineup of that caliber.
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you know..i always tried to stay out of this conversation about who has the best HW division....but the UFC couldn't have the same caliber of card with all HW....other weight classes? absolutely...but not HW..
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'Nuf said. The UFC can't even field 1/4 of a lineup of that caliber.
That's a pretty fuckin sick tournament right there. I'm lookin foward to it, Arlovski/Kharitonov should be interesting.
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That's a pretty fuckin sick tournament right there. I'm lookin foward to it, Arlovski/Kharitonov should be interesting.
I liked watching Kharitonov in Pride when he was just getting going on the big stage. Haven't watched him lately. Will definitely be interesting.
you know..i always tried to stay out of this conversation about who has the best HW division....but the UFC couldn't have the same caliber of card with all HW....other weight classes? absolutely...but not HW..
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Definitely. Mindspin has spouted off for a long time now about how great the UFC HW division and how it's easily the best in the business but the reality of the matter is that they can't field a HW tournament anywhere near as good as this one.
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that is just sick, haven't seen anything that awesome since pride
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that is just sick, haven't seen anything that awesome since pride
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The grand prix was always the highlight of the year for me. Pumped to see it coming back in some form.
Too bad the UFC is too busy being money-grubbing scumbags to have done something like this earlier.
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well well well..finally got my wish. Somebody finally had the balls to create a GP.
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Can't really argue with that one. This tourney should be AWESOME! I've got Overeem if he can pass the NSAC testing.
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Mindspin's probably on a 5150 hold at UCLA. Word is police found him in the bathroom cutting himself while screaming about how his master Dana failed him.
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This will be a great tourney....
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Fedor will destroy them all, including exposing Overeem. Then he ll retire as the GOAT.
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'Nuf said. The UFC can't even field 1/4 of a lineup of that caliber.
Looks good, but they should have had the Overeem/Werdum fight on the other side of the chart, so then the winner of that fight would most likely end up against Fedor in the Final
Fedor against either Overreem in the Final ... or Fedor in a rematch against Werdum in the Final, would both be a great PPV for Strikoforce.
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Sweet tourney.
Arguments can be made either way about what company has the best HW's. I tend to watch more UFC than the others, just bc the others are usually on Showtime. However I have seen them all fight numerous times, as i've been a fan of MMA since watching the first UFC on PPV years ago.
That being said, both company's have their better fighters, and both have their washed up, on their way out fighters as well.
Strikeforce has: Reem, Fedor, and Werdum as there top guys. UFC has their top guys: Cain, JDS, and Carwin.
Both have their veterans, that could be washed up: i.e. Barnett, Arlovski, Mir, Cro Cop, etc.
Both have unknown/untested/so-so fighter: Rogers, Kharitonov, Lesnar, Big Country, Schaub, etc.
Both company's have great HW divisions. What it boils down to is who you wanna watch fight. It's an objective question with a subjective answer.
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Sweet tourney.
Arguments can be made either way about what company has the best HW's. I tend to watch more UFC than the others, just bc the others are usually on Showtime. However I have seen them all fight numerous times, as i've been a fan of MMA since watching the first UFC on PPV years ago.
That being said, both company's have their better fighters, and both have their washed up, on their way out fighters as well.
Strikeforce has: Reem, Fedor, and Werdum as there top guys. UFC has their top guys: Cain, JDS, and Carwin.
Both have their veterans, that could be washed up: i.e. Barnett, Arlovski, Mir, Cro Cop, etc.
Both have unknown/untested/so-so fighter: Rogers, Kharitonov, Lesnar, Big Country, Schaub, etc.
Both company's have great HW divisions. What it boils down to is who you wanna watch fight. It's an objective question with a subjective answer.
Did you honestly just list Kharitonov with those guys? My, my, you really are an MMA novice, Yemeni.
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Did you honestly just list Kharitonov with those guys? My, my, you really are an MMA novice, Yemeni.
Strikeforce nuthuggery at it's finest.
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Strikeforce nuthuggery at it's finest.
Aww, the UFC fanboy seems upset. You and your other gimmicks spent months talking about how good the UFC HW division is and in the span of one card (Brock's embarrassing annihilation) it went from being somewhat respectable to complete trash.
Must sting. Are you asking yourself if swallowing Dana's loads were worth it?
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Aww, the UFC fanboy seems upset. You and your other gimmicks spent months talking about how good the UFC HW division is and in the span of one card (Brock's embarrassing annihilation) it went from being somewhat respectable to complete trash.
Must sting. Are you asking yourself if swallowing Dana's loads were worth it?
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UFC has the best talent in the world. Striikeforce has UFC rejects, i.e. Arlovski, Barnett, etc. And pussys that are too afraid to fight in the UFC, i.e. FEDOR. I bet money Baroni signs with them next.
It's ok bf. If you wanna go ahead and become a fan, it's fine. Actually, UFC has the most mma fans in the world. Although i do like strikeforce, it's like the minor leagues. Obviously you can relate.
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That is the fuckin best fight card I've seen in 10 years
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I don't know. Barnett? Rogers? I mean, Arlovski is pretty lame now too and honestly, I used to love Fedor, but he is not the same fighter he was in Pride. He never fights, and when he does, he looks rusty and unimpressive. I just don't see it.
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Haha, really, ANOTHER gimmick, Yemeni? You really have no shame.
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I don't know. Barnett? Rogers? I mean, Arlovski is pretty lame now too and honestly, I used to love Fedor, but he is not the same fighter he was in Pride. He never fights, and when he does, he looks rusty and unimpressive. I just don't see it.
they are lower calibre of talent compared to the ufc.
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they are lower calibre of talent compared to the ufc.
What talent? You and your other accounts hailed Cock Chestnar as the greatest fighter to ever grace the sport. We saw how that ended up.
It's not even debatable at this point that's how far behind the UFC HW division is. You actually had to include Carwin, a guy who punched himself out in less than 60 seconds to the biggest embarrassment of a HW champ ever, in the list of "top guys" to actually build some sort of argument. Thanks for playing.
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UFC has the best talent in the world. Striikeforce has UFC rejects, i.e. Arlovski, Barnett, etc. And pussys that are too afraid to fight in the UFC, i.e. FEDOR. I bet money Baroni signs with them next.
The UFC actually re signed Baroni after he was cut for getting destroyed by Joe Riggs in Strikeforce. So in reality, they signed a Strikeforce reject lol, go figure that one.
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The UFC actually re signed Baroni after he was cut for getting destroyed by Joe Riggs in Strikeforce. So in reality, they signed a Strikeforce reject lol, go figure that one.
savage owning
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I think that with Fedor, Overeem and Barnett, it is a straightforward conclusion that Strikeforce has the best HW division. Those are three proven heavyweights. The UFC has only one proven heavyweight(Nogueira) who is past his prime due to severe physical injuries over the years. I am going by experience and not talent, because talent can only be evaluated in retrospective. Can Velasquez is too wet behind his ears to be claimed as great.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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The UFC actually re signed Baroni after he was cut for getting destroyed by Joe Riggs in Strikeforce. So in reality, they signed a Strikeforce reject lol, go figure that one.
Actually, berzerkfury, as we all know you and him are the same gimmick, Baroni was originally a UFC guy. He flunked out, when the route of pride and strikeforce, then strung a few wins together to make it back into the UFC. Now, he's lost a bunch, and will be dropped back down into the minor league, i.e. strikeforce.. if even them.
THAT is the reality you speak of. Look at one's entire career before you chirp in.
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I think the UFC needs to bring Bob Sapp. It would give credibility to it's heavyweight division. He used to fight in PRIDE.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Actually, berzerkfury, as we all know you and him are the same gimmick, Baroni was originally a UFC guy. He flunked out, when the route of pride and strikeforce, then strung a few wins together to make it back into the UFC. Now, he's lost a bunch, and will be dropped back down into the minor league, i.e. strikeforce.. if even them.
THAT is the reality you speak of. Look at one's entire career before you chirp in.
actually, baroni was 0-2 in strikeforce. his last fight in strikeforce he lost to joe riggs, then he signed with ufc.
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actually, baroni was 0-2 in strikeforce. his last fight in strikeforce he lost to joe riggs, then he signed with ufc.
When i said "strung a few wins together", i meant in other orgs other than strikeforce.
Regardless, Baroni blows.
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Actually, berzerkfury, as we all know you and him are the same gimmick, Baroni was originally a UFC guy. He flunked out, when the route of pride and strikeforce, then strung a few wins together to make it back into the UFC. Now, he's lost a bunch, and will be dropped back down into the minor league, i.e. strikeforce.. if even them.
THAT is the reality you speak of. Look at one's entire career before you chirp in.
He lost to Joe Riggs in Strikeforce and then the UFC re-signed him, is that the win streak you are referring too? You made a remark about Strikeforce signing him for being a reject after this last fight, when in reality, that's how the UFC picked him up this second time around, after Strikeforce cut him for losing. Surprise, surprise, people hate TUF nuthuggers, that dosent mean they are all gimmicks. You however are part of a small group of 2 (more like one), which is pretty suspicious if you ask me. (midspin/evolver/stoolpshr/col"gay"ne)
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He put a string of wins together prior to getting another crack in the ufc. Look at his record moron. Its funny that all you strikeforce wannabes' only statement when some likes the ufc is that they're a gimmick etc. ..but when in reality the very large majority of mma fans watch ufc.
Shitboxe: explain to me why you dislike and have so much resentment towards the ufc org.
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OK, you can argue who has the best HW division, however this isnt a good example. Fedor is the best HW of all time but is he still the best right now, he has to prove that and he has done nothing to do that in a long time. Werdum, still has a lot of proving to do as in beat Fedor twice and maybe another top contender. Arvloski, joke. Rogers, overated as Reem exposed. Kharn whatever his name is, was tough in his day but that was in his day, there is a reason no one has heard from him, Strikeforce getting desparate throwing him in there to fill a void. Silva, fought no one. Reem has the potential and hype, but can he pass a test and he still has to fight better MMA competition to prove himself in MMA, yes I know his K-1 accomplishments and yes they make a difference. I have a lot of hope for Reem to live up to his hype. I will say this, the tourney will prove these fighters legitamacy for later arguments though.....on another note, Pride was great but was full of a bunch of rejects that were fed to the Nog's, Barnett', Fedors, Wand's and cro-cops. The only good fights were when those fought each other. The rest were washed up Ken Shamrocks, Joyce, Sapp, and a bunch of 50/50 fighters that never made it anywhere else. It made for great entertainment but does not make for an argument that Pride was so much better than UFC. Not that the UFC then was better than them. The UFC of today smokes them though but you can't compare the two now vs then, apples and oranges.
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He put a string of wins together prior to getting another crack in the ufc. Look at his record moron. Its funny that all you strikeforce wannabes' only statement when some likes the ufc is that they're a gimmick etc. ..but when in reality the very large majority of mma fans watch ufc.
Shitboxe: explain to me why you dislike and have so much resentment towards the ufc org.
He was signed immediately after Joe Riggs shut him out in Strikeforce, their was no string of wins after that, he lost, Strikeforce axed him = the UFC signed him right afterwords. I am well aware of his record previous to that. I don't have resentment towards the UFC, just ignorant people who think they are the only brand out there, and that they are free from all sin, and don't make mistakes. They make mistakes too, like signing someone directly after an embarrassing shut out loss.
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Coltrane, just shut up. You were embarrassed to high heaven here and continuing on only proves that you know it. TUF fanboys don't know shit and you're confirming that. 8)
Brutal owning, Chute. :)
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You two Twinkies are one in the same.
Boxe: he had three wins in a row then his loss in SF. My point is is that he strung together some wins and was thought to be good enough for some better fights. I prefer ufc as they have the best fighters IMO.
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OK, you can argue who has the best HW division, however this isnt a good example. Fedor is the best HW of all time but is he still the best right now, he has to prove that and he has done nothing to do that in a long time. Werdum, still has a lot of proving to do as in beat Fedor twice and maybe another top contender. Arvloski, joke. Rogers, overated as Reem exposed. Kharn whatever his name is, was tough in his day but that was in his day, there is a reason no one has heard from him, Strikeforce getting desparate throwing him in there to fill a void. Silva, fought no one. Reem has the potential and hype, but can he pass a test and he still has to fight better MMA competition to prove himself in MMA, yes I know his K-1 accomplishments and yes they make a difference. I have a lot of hope for Reem to live up to his hype. I will say this, the tourney will prove these fighters legitamacy for later arguments though.....on another note, Pride was great but was full of a bunch of rejects that were fed to the Nog's, Barnett', Fedors, Wand's and cro-cops. The only good fights were when those fought each other. The rest were washed up Ken Shamrocks, Joyce, Sapp, and a bunch of 50/50 fighters that never made it anywhere else. It made for great entertainment but does not make for an argument that Pride was so much better than UFC. Not that the UFC then was better than them. The UFC of today smokes them though but you can't compare the two now vs then, apples and oranges.
I couldn't possibly disagree more. PRIDE was better than the UFC at everything, and the best UFC fighters are from PRIDE, like Anderson and Mauricio and Nogueira. I am convinced that Nog would still be UFC heavyweight champion if it weren't for the multiple injuries he has sustained over the years. The Nog of 2003 would smoke the heavyweight ranks of today. But I agree with you that Fedor is sucking dick lately. I can't judge him from his last fight because he made a stupid mistake and got caught and it ended so soon, but if he fiights like that even Big Foot has a chance of beating him.
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That is the fuckin best fight card I've seen in 10 years
True that
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OK, you can argue who has the best HW division, however this isnt a good example. Fedor is the best HW of all time but is he still the best right now, he has to prove that and he has done nothing to do that in a long time. Werdum, still has a lot of proving to do as in beat Fedor twice and maybe another top contender. Arvloski, joke. Rogers, overated as Reem exposed. Kharn whatever his name is, was tough in his day but that was in his day, there is a reason no one has heard from him, Strikeforce getting desparate throwing him in there to fill a void. Silva, fought no one. Reem has the potential and hype, but can he pass a test and he still has to fight better MMA competition to prove himself in MMA, yes I know his K-1 accomplishments and yes they make a difference. I have a lot of hope for Reem to live up to his hype. I will say this, the tourney will prove these fighters legitamacy for later arguments though.....on another note, Pride was great but was full of a bunch of rejects that were fed to the Nog's, Barnett', Fedors, Wand's and cro-cops. The only good fights were when those fought each other. The rest were washed up Ken Shamrocks, Joyce, Sapp, and a bunch of 50/50 fighters that never made it anywhere else. It made for great entertainment but does not make for an argument that Pride was so much better than UFC. Not that the UFC then was better than them. The UFC of today smokes them though but you can't compare the two now vs then, apples and oranges.
your a fucking idiot
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your a fucking idiot
Explain in an attempt to show your not the idiot. Suckmymuscle at least displayed his reason and point of view for his disagreement. And I am sure me and him could go post for post trying to prove who's right but we would at least demonstrate our opinion in a way that shows we have followed the sport long enough to have a valid opinion.
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StrikeFarce does have a decent heavyweight line up. Too bad they're so fucking stupid that they'll never pull this tournament off. Barnett is not licensed to fight in CA because of his repeated steroid usage and he failed to show up to the last hearing. Imagine if Barnett makes it to the finals...they won't be able to hold the event in their back yard as planned. And what is this shit about the heavyweight title on being on the line? Isn't that the point of a tournament? To find out who the best is? Or, at the very least determine a #1 contender? So, let me get this straight, for Fedor to win this, who would be fighting 3 times this year!? LOL...will never happen.
This won't be the 1st time StrikeForce tries to do a tournament. Last year they tried to do it with the middle weights and it all fell apart. I see the same thing happening again.
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What talent? You and your other accounts hailed Cock Chestnar as the greatest fighter to ever grace the sport. We saw how that ended up.
It's not even debatable at this point that's how far behind the UFC HW division is. You actually had to include Carwin, a guy who punched himself out in less than 60 seconds to the biggest embarrassment of a HW champ ever, in the list of "top guys" to actually build some sort of argument. Thanks for playing.
LOL...is that all you have to cling on to in life? So what if the UFC doesn't have the "best" heavies. Big fucking deal. They still put on better fights, all their other divisions eclipse strikeforce and they make a shitload more money. Every single TUF episode with Lesanar & JDS will have better ratings that any of the StrikeForce cards.
Does strikeforce have better heavies? Perhaps, but it's just a matter of time before SF folds, and then what will you have to cling to? Fedor's shriveled and sweaty balls?
HAhahahahah!
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LOL...is that all you have to cling on to in life? So what if the UFC doesn't have the "best" heavies. Big fucking deal. They still put on better fights, all their other divisions eclipse strikeforce and they make a shitload more money. Every single TUF episode with Lesanar & JDS will have better ratings that any of the StrikeForce cards.
Does strikeforce have better heavies? Perhaps, but it's just a matter of time before SF folds, and then what will you have to cling to? Fedor's shriveled and sweaty balls?
HAhahahahah!
Heavyweight division > all other weight divisions.
The heavyweight World MMA champion is the best MMA fighter on the planet because he can beat all other champions from other weight division due to simple physics. This why the World heavyweight champion is called "the baddest man on the Planet" and not the other division champions. The UFC is hurting it's credibility as the premier MMA organization by not having Fedor and Overeem in it's roster.
And there is more talent in the other weight divisions, no doubt. Guys like JSP and Anderson and probably even Shogun are better pound-for-pound than Overeem, Barnett and Fedor. But it doesen't matter because the interest of fans is directly correlated to how high the weight class is, with the heavyweight class being the most important followed by the light-heavyweigts and so on. Fighting is about establishing masculine dominance, and size is an attribute of masculinity. So the bigger fighters are perceived as more masculine, and thus their fights are considered as more relevant contests of masculinity and dominance than the fights between smaller fighters. It's just the way it is. No one gives a shit that BJ Penn is such an outstanding fighter for his weight because any 220+ lbs bodybuilder or powerlifter with no fighting experience would beat the shit out of him due to sheer physics. He weights the same as a woman!
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Who cares about what organization has the "Best heavies" etc? Obviously the strikeforce balllickers are making that claim cause it's their only argument that carries any sort of weight.
Can't we just talk and debate upcoming fights? If you don't wanna discuss UFC, then don't, and vice versa. Quit attacking others on these threads. It gets annoying. And i'm not saying i don't do it, cause i do.
Cant we all just get along? ;D ???
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Heavyweight division > all other weight divisions.
The heavyweight World MMA champion is the best MMA fighter on the planet because he can beat all other champions from other weight division due to simple physics. This why the World heavyweight champion is called "the baddest man on the Planet" and not the other division champions. The UFC is hurting it's credibility as the premier MMA organization by not having Fedor and Overeem in it's roster.
And there is more talent in the other weight divisions, no doubt. Guys like JSP and Anderson and probably even Shogun are better pound-for-pound than Overeem, Barnett and Fedor. But it doesen't matter because the interest of fans is directly correlated to how high the weight class is, with the heavyweight class being the most important followed by the light-heavyweigts and so on. Fighting is about establishing masculine dominance, and size is an attribute of masculinity. So the bigger fighters are perceived as more masculine, and thus their fights are considered as more relevant contests of masculinity and dominance than the fights between smaller fighters. It's just the way it is. No one gives a shit that BJ Penn is such an outstanding fighter for his weight because any 220+ lbs bodybuilder or powerlifter with no fighting experience would beat the shit out of him due to sheer physics. He weights the same as a woman!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You'd have a solid point if it wasn't for the fact that most MMA fans don't have a clue who Fedor or Alistar are.
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You'd have a solid point if it wasn't for the fact that most MMA fans don't have a clue who Fedor or Alistar are.
Fedor and Overeem are better known by fans in Asia, Europe and Latin America than any of the UFC heavyweights. They used to fight in PRIDE, and that promotion was more broadcasted in the aforementioned continents than the UFC was. Fedor and Overeem have almost god-like status in Asia. Even Fedor's defeat didn't seem to affect his reputation with Asians given that Fedor still receives fat paychecks to do appearances and seminars in Asian countries. The UFC is restricted to the U.S, Canada and to a minor extent in Great Britain. In continental Europe, Asia and Latin America UFC fighters are almost completely unknown. I live in Brazil and the only Brazilian UFC fighters known here are Anderson and Shogun because they used to fight in PRIDE. The other Brazilian fighters like JDS are unknown to Brazilians. This is true of Brazilian fighters who fight in Strikeforce as well, like Big Foot and Werdum.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Great card gotta make shure not to miss that one
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Ahahah...that's hilarious!
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You'd have a solid point if it wasn't for the fact that most MMA fans don't have a clue who Fedor or Alistar are.
but there are some that do .. so it does give creedance to his point
I like watching all the fights .. I am not choosing between them when I don't have to
I am a Fedor fan .. and I don't care if he's not in Dana's camp .. I really am not keen on Dana most of the time TBH :-\
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but there are some that do .. so it does give creedance to his point
I like watching all the fights .. I am not choosing between them when I don't have to
I am a Fedor fan .. and I don't care if he's not in Dana's camp .. I really am not keen on Dana most of the time TBH :-\
I disagree...Today's average MMA fan has no clue who either of these guys are. "Some" is not enough. Fedor is a recluse who doesn't speak English to top it off. How can you even market him?
Aliistar has potential to help the UFC. He interacts with the fans and makes himself accessible (the reem documentary was fun to watch). But similar to Barnett, who has Allistar beaten recently in MMA that holds any merit. K-1 champ is great, but it's not MMA. His win over Duffy was a joke. Duffy had a week to get ready and was coming off of an injury layoff. Plus Duffy has always been overrated.
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I actually think most fans know who Fedor is. You can't really consider them a fan if they don't.
It's like saying a hockey fan doesn't know who Crosby is, etc.
I just wish there would come a day that Fedor would fight in the UFC along with Overeem. Werdum would be a nice addition too. Just think about the line up of fights that could take place.
I'd LOVE to see a JDS/Overeem match. And a Cain/Fedor match. Man, that would be nice.
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regardless of what he does in strikeforce I think Fedor probably missed the boat as far as being marketed into the UFC based on his pride days,I think that window is all but closed...
the opportunity was there to build up Fedor's presence in the UFC based on his pride days (they did it with Hendo).....but that ship has sailed !
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regardless of what he does in strikeforce I think Fedor probably missed the boat as far as being marketed into the UFC based on his pride days,I think that window is all but closed...
the opportunity was there to build up Fedor's presence in the UFC based on his pride days (they did it with Hendo).....but that ship has sailed !
I agree...Fedor had his win streak and now he's just another fighter to the today's MMA fan. The guy is a recluse. How would they ever market him without his win streak?
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I agree...Fedor had his win streak and now he's just another fighter to the today's MMA fan. The guy is a recluse. How would they ever market him without his win streak?
Hm...let me think. As the winningest heavyweight ever? As the last man to hold the heavyweight belt of the most mythical MMA organization ever? As the only MMA fighter to have carried the Olympic torch and be named his country's greatest athlete?
You make it seem as his one loss makes him absolute garbage. He went into the guard of the World's best grappler, made a mistake and got caught. When you are in the guard of a BJJ master, you can't afford to make even a tiny mistake and he made it. It happens. Even Rickson Gracie(7th degree BJJ master) has been caught and submitted by other BJJ masters.
BTW, I am not a Fedor fan-boy. I remember from the days of PRIDE that I always considered Fedor to be too small for a heavyweight. Also Fedor is a ground fighter and I find ground fighters boring. I like strikers. My favorite MMA fighter ever is Wandy. I have no reasons to defend Fedor, but I find it incredible that you consider him garbage just because he made a mistake in the guard of a BJJ master and got caught. Cain Velasquez, JDS, Carwin and other UFC heavyweights would have been caught even faster in the same situation given that their grappling is inferior to Fedor's - yes, I know JDS has a black belt in BJJ but we have never seen him grapple out of submission attempts and Fedor is a Sambo World champion, so Fedor is probably the better grappler.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Hm...let me think. As the winningest heavyweight ever? As the last man to hold the heavyweight belt of the most mythical MMA organization ever? As the only MMA fighter to have carried the Olympic torch and be named his country's greatest athlete?
still counts for a lot ...
but time has taken a big percentage off the lustre of it all ...
he turned a lot of his fans off with leading people to believe that there was a chance he'd sign with the UFC and then abandoning negotiations.
pretty sure I'm not the only person alive that feels like he went from mythical Russian mystery man who was unbeatable to somewhat of a prima donna ....
either way the clocks ticking and he's never going to be fully recognized as the best until he faces whoever has the UFC title...
like it or not, that's just the reality of it..
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still counts for a lot ...
but time has taken a big percentage off the lustre of it all ...
he turned a lot of his fans off with leading people to believe that there was a chance he'd sign with the UFC and then abandoning negotiations.
pretty sure I'm not the only person alive that feels like he went from mythical Russian mystery man who was unbeatable to somewhat of a prima donna ....
either way the clocks ticking and he's never going to be fully recognized as the best until he faces whoever has the UFC title...
like it or not, that's just the reality of it..
Maybe to Americans. Most of the rest of the World doesen't give a shit about the UFC. It is only watched by redneck Americans and Canadians and the British. In the rest of the World, Fedor is much better known than any UFC fighter including JSP. Fedor is a legend and it is the UFC that needs him to prove the value of it's belt for the rest of the World and not the other way around.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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On a recent trip to Poland they re quite into UFC, boxings still the sport they watch most over there though, Bit like the USA in the 70s and 80s
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On a recent trip to Poland they re quite into UFC, boxings still the sport they watch most over there though, Bit like the USA in the 70s and 80s
Go to Asia, Europe and Latin America and see who is more known between Fedor and Cain Velasquez.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Go to Asia, Europe and Latin America and see who is more known between Fedor and Cain Velasquez.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Yes, in Latin America ppl know Fedor, but believe that Cain is also very popular in that area right now i'm sure.
You seems to make bold sweeping statements that "most of the world" doesn't give a shit about UFC, etc. Then you state that only Americans, Canadiens, and the British like it. Come on dude. How many Braziliian flags do we see whenever Wandy steps in the ring?... or Croatian flags when Cop steps in? UFC is popular at some level all over. As is Strikeforce etc.
YOu can't possibly make these statements without some sort of poll, etc.
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Hm...let me think. As the winningest heavyweight ever? As the last man to hold the heavyweight belt of the most mythical MMA organization ever? As the only MMA fighter to have carried the Olympic torch and be named his country's greatest athlete?
You make it seem as his one loss makes him absolute garbage. He went into the guard of the World's best grappler, made a mistake and got caught. When you are in the guard of a BJJ master, you can't afford to make even a tiny mistake and he made it. It happens. Even Rickson Gracie(7th degree BJJ master) has been caught and submitted by other BJJ masters.
BTW, I am not a Fedor fan-boy. I remember from the days of PRIDE that I always considered Fedor to be too small for a heavyweight. Also Fedor is a ground fighter and I find ground fighters boring. I like strikers. My favorite MMA fighter ever is Wandy. I have no reasons to defend Fedor, but I find it incredible that you consider him garbage just because he made a mistake in the guard of a BJJ master and got caught. Cain Velasquez, JDS, Carwin and other UFC heavyweights would have been caught even faster in the same situation given that their grappling is inferior to Fedor's - yes, I know JDS has a black belt in BJJ but we have never seen him grapple out of submission attempts and Fedor is a Sambo World champion, so Fedor is probably the better grappler.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I see all these attributes in Fedor as many 'HARDCORE' MMA fans do.
MOST CURRENT MMA's fans have no ideas or care about anything you mentioned above. How or Why would they?
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Maybe to Americans. Most of the rest of the World doesen't give a shit about the UFC. It is only watched by redneck Americans and Canadians and the British. In the rest of the World, Fedor is much better known than any UFC fighter including JSP. Fedor is a legend and it is the UFC that needs him to prove the value of it's belt for the rest of the World and not the other way around.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
WORLDWIDE the UFC is currently the most popular MMA organization. People that don't care about the UFC, most likely don't care about MMA.
Don't be foolish, the UFC doesn't need or want Fedor at this point. He's not even ranked in the Top 3. Why would they need an overpriced, recluse Russian, with high-mileage? That doesn't even interact with the fans or speak English?
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WORLDWIDE the UFC is currently the most popular MMA organization. People that don't care about the UFC, most likely don't care about MMA.
Don't be foolish, the UFC doesn't need or want Fedor at this point. He's not even ranked in the Top 3. Why would they need an overpriced, recluse Russian, with high-mileage? That doesn't even interact with the fans or speak English?
I can garatee you that, outside of the U.S, the old PRIDE fighters like Crocop, Fedor, Wandy, Henderson, Shogun, etc are a lot more known than the UFC fighters who have never fought in PRIDE. The exception is GSP in Montreal and that's it. The UFC is the most popular MMA organization right now, but it has nowhere the popularity and global viewership that PRIDE had.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I actually think most fans know who Fedor is. You can't really consider them a fan if they don't.
It's like saying a hockey fan doesn't know who Crosby is, etc.
I just wish there would come a day that Fedor would fight in the UFC along with Overeem. Werdum would be a nice addition too. Just think about the line up of fights that could take place.
I'd LOVE to see a JDS/Overeem match. And a Cain/Fedor match. Man, that would be nice.
I'm not sure I agree with that. I get together with about 10-12 guys to watch these fights. Except for the ones that I train with, the rest have no idea about anything outside the UFC. They know the UFC guys. They pay for the PPV. So I would say they are fans.
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I can garatee you that, outside of the U.S, the old PRIDE fighters like Crocop, Fedor, Wandy, Henderson, Shogun, etc are a lot more known than the UFC fighters who have never fought in PRIDE. The exception is GSP in Montreal and that's it. The UFC is the most popular MMA organization right now, but it has nowhere the popularity and global viewership that PRIDE had.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
The UFC is the most populat MMA org in the US and Worldwide. Comparing their business model and fighter popularity to PRIDE fighters of 5+ years ago in pointless. Many factors make this a mute point. Their are MANY more fighters and the UFC has rebuilt the sport of MMA and will soon be holding events everywhere in the world. They are not competing with the PRIDE's business model.
To keep on topic, bringing Fedor in is great if they do, but they would have to build up his popularity to the current MMA audience. Like it or not, most CURRENT, REAL, PPV buying fans don't know or care about PRIDE or much outside of the UFC. PRIDE has is old news.