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You must lift heavy, or at least heavier than you were previously. Discuss
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You must lift heavy, or at least heavier than you were previously. Discuss
Stop looking for the Holy Grail. ;)
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When a powerlifter decides to become a bodybuilder he lifts less weight for more reps. Its not just how heavy the weight is, its also time under tension.
Strongest muscle for one rep = smaller than muscle trained for larger volume.
This is beyond dispute.
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You must lift heavy, or at least heavier than you were previously. Discuss
Groundbreaking concept... ::)
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Didn't we just argue about this like fucking 2 weeks ago...and btw, your statement is FALSE!!!
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You must lift heavy, or at least heavier than you were previously. Discuss
Muscle cells themselves become thicker denser when lifting heavy weight.
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Didn't we just argue about this like fucking 2 weeks ago...and btw, your statement is FALSE!!!
He's throwing bombs. ;D
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It's not "my statement" ;) And your point is addressed within the source that I got this from Master Blaster. It finishes that statement with this tidbit: "and keep the total repetitions within the anaerobic pathway of 30 to 90 seconds"
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It's not "my statement" ;) And your point is addressed within the source that I got this from Master Blaster. It finishes that statement with this tidbit: "and keep the total repetitions within the anaerobic pathway of 30 to 90 seconds"
You're saying complete all reps of a set in 90 seconds?
This is an outrage. I shall have justice, sir. I challenge you to a duel!
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Once again that's not "my words" and in fact I think that it's complete and utter horseshit! In my humble opinion, best results come from sets that last NO LONGER THAN 30 SECONDS MAX
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Another horseshit statement from "my statement" lol is that "you can improve the growth process by extending your sets" more horseshit! This is MUSCLE BUILDING, not an endurance contest ::)
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Dude, you are talkin about a different thing...of course you can and will get stronger by "progressive overload", but if you want to get BIGGER, musclewise, drugs + mind-muscle connection is the key. Cos when you increase poundages you build your tendons, bones...yes muscles also to some extenctent, but very little...If you want to build muscle you need to eat to give them nutrients, stress the muscle to make your body realize where those nutrients need to go and take peds to multiplie the effectiveness of the whole process by 10...thats it, and rest of course...powerlifting and bb`ing are two different "sports", gotta remember that
Quoted for THE MOTHER FUCKING TRUTH!!!!
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First of all, I'm talking bout natural trainers, not chemically enhanced fellas. Secondly, you CAN NOT make bones or joints grow ROFL! And as far as "nutrients and nutrition" goes, how's come it's possible to grow bigger muscles on calorie deficient diets?
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You're saying complete all reps of a set in 90 seconds?
This is an outrage. I shall have justice, sir. I challenge you to a duel!
How many reps and sets in said duel? And the rest period? And will you be stronger or weaker after said duel?
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How many reps and sets in said duel? And the rest period? And will you 've strbger or weaker after said duel?
My Satisfaction shall be stregnthened when yon Bitter opponent is dispatched with all Haste by the Blind Justice of mine own hands.
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Well, I will accept da challange from Master Blaster, if the chosen exercise will be wide-grip weighted chins ;D And here's a few more quotes from "my statement" that I completely agree with: "HARD WORK IS ALWAYS REQUIRED to grow muscle naturally" and "Increasing muscle mass is NOT a linear process. It is a series of 'spurts'"
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I didn't say they would grow..."build tendons" can also mean making them stronger, not necessarily bigger...at least in my broken english
Growing on calorie deficient diet is possible for beginners due to the fact the change and shock to their body cosed by the newly started work out regimen is big enough to direct even the few nutrients in to the muscles..and for the enhanced fellas we are not talking about
Now of course you ca get stronger on calorie deficit...by increasing the amount of nerve cells responsible for using certain muscles...however, that has nothing to do with building more muscle...
I'm tired with that useless shit...go and see the old "progressive overload in my ass" -thread like 3-4 weeks ago...Peace...and out!
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what i would like to know...and this isn't a sideways way of saying "how big i am" .......is how many dudes here have actually gotten BIG using their theories...any success?
I use EVERY protocol, exercise and rep tempo there is and don't have any rules to my training except bust your ass in the gym and BELIEVE you are going to grow
For example for chest yesterday i put 225 on the incline and lowered it for a 5 count and then exploded up with it, I did 4 sets of about 12-16 like that.... it was just something different and my pecs are good and sore today...and recuperation is very very important.
A lot of dudes let their enthusiasm for training outstrip their ability to recover
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A lot of dudes let their enthusiasm for training outstrip their ability to recover
That was me 10 years ago, but now I don't think I work out hard enough :'(
Hard to find the sweet spot
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No worries ma man, it's all in good fun, so don't get too worked up about it ;) And to you Master Blaster, I'm curious of your take on my best gaining leg program. So here is the story: I did only leg presses for legs every 6 days, and my training protocol was 3 sets of 5 reps increasing weight once more than 5 reps were possible, and from this training protocol my leg press strength increased by almost 200 pounds and I added 6.5 pounds of lean muscle tissue to my legs in 5 weeks time, and all natural of course. So, what's your take on this? My total time under tension per set was 20 seconds max.
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People have been extremely bored lately...
Lift heavy without spotter. That should fix everything...(for us)
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We must lift your mom 3-5 times weekly
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Ok gronik, so which protocol gave you your greatest gains? For me, I've ALWAYS got best results from 3*6 using da HOLY GRAIL ::)
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Ok gronik, so which protocol gave you your greatest gains? For me, I've ALWAYS got best results from 3*6 using da HOLY GRAIL ::)
getting off rec drugs gave me my greatest gains ;D
honestly i couldn't tell you....i NEVER stick with the same routine very long
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No worries ma man, it's all in good fun, so don't get too worked up about it ;) And to you Master Blaster, I'm curious of your take on my best gaining leg program. So here is the story: I did only leg presses for legs every 6 days, and my training protocol was 3 sets of 5 reps increasing weight once more than 5 reps were possible, and from this training protocol my leg press strength increased by almost 200 pounds and I added 6.5 pounds of lean muscle tissue to my legs in 5 weeks time, and all natural of course. So, what's your take on this? My total time under tension per set was 20 seconds max.
I don't know man. I'm so stuck on high reps, it's hard to get past my own predjudice. I'm just getting more serious now and I'm doing something very similar to this in hopes to shake things up. I think that legs are fundamentally different than other body parts, they seem to grow just by fucking forcing them to work harder through sheer force of will. 8)
Now you'll hate my new back workout. Tabata interval training with tiny little 50lb dumbells. Bent over rows for sets of 20 seconds each (no reps counted) EIGHT sets with 10 seconds rest in between. This is fucking hard. Thats basically a 2.6 minute set.
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Now you'll hate my new back workout. Tabata interval training with tiny little 50lb dumbells. Bent over rows for sets of 20 seconds each (no reps counted) EIGHT sets with 10 seconds rest in between. This is fucking hard. Thats basically a 2.6 minute set.
P90 X is for homos ;D
i do stuff like that too sometimes....A friend of mine is a trainer with his own studio and i'll go there occasinally and do his workout...just like that....nonstop, high rep stuff
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what i would like to know...and this isn't a sideways way of saying "how big i am" .......is how many dudes here have actually gotten BIG using their theories...any success?
I use EVERY protocol, exercise and rep tempo there is and don't have any rules to my training except bust your ass in the gym and BELIEVE you are going to grow
For example for chest yesterday i put 225 on the incline and lowered it for a 5 count and then exploded up with it, I did 4 sets of about 12-16 like that.... it was just something different and my pecs are good and sore today...and recuperation is very very important.
A lot of dudes let their enthusiasm for training outstrip their ability to recover
Good post!
Since I started dieting down I've just been going to the gym and doing whatever I feel like, as long as I push myself hard. If you do box squats and front squats on monday, then hack squats / leg press on friday it can be hard to compare the two to ensure you're using a "heavier load" but as long as you worked the muscle as hard as you could, it should still get the message... of course you would never see someone on the internet suggest something like this.
I think the most important thing in training is learning to listen to your instincts. When you are a beginner, get a guideline from the internet or whatever, but from that point on you should be listening to your body, and making changes accordingly.
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So what's the point of using the Tabata protocol with back training? Are you doing it to increase size, or are you doing it for conditioning purposes? Also, what do you think about that statement that "muscle growth occurs in spurts"?
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Also, what do you think about that statement that "muscle growth occurs in spurts"?
I LIKE that a lot. I think it makes sense. The question is why? Is just like a number of instruments can change pitch to sudenly harmonize, so does chance lead us to a momment when all lights are green, when growth is almost inevitable.
Oh tha Tabata thing...not sure it makes sense for growth, thats why I'm doing it. To brutally MAKE it work. :-X
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Theorectically, Tabata should work for muscle growth, just as long as it allows you to train with GREATER AND GREATER TRAINING LOADS ;D And that is the way it is meant to be used even when using it to achieve a very high level of fitness. Basically, TRUE Tabata is an ALL-OUT training method where if it is done correctly you will have trouble even sitting down after completing a TRUE TABATA training bout, and maybe even have a hard time laying down lol
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When a powerlifter decides to become a bodybuilder he lifts less weight for more reps.
if someone did that, that would have been a mistake.
Its not just how heavy the weight is, its also time under tension.
true. and the amount of resistant being applied to a muscle during the time it is under tension is the most important factor determining muscle size.
Strongest muscle for one rep = smaller than muscle trained for larger volume.
its not "either or", dummy. you want to be strong for both one rep and volume. volume dont do shit if your lifting baby weights.
This is beyond dispute.
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Lift a weight eat a steak repeat. Pretty easy.
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So wot y'all think bout the statement dat "muscle growth occurs in spruts"? Agree? Disagree? And on a side note, whitewidow (Gods stalker) has gone from a buck 70 to a buck 85 FROM 6 YEARS OF STEADY GEAR USE LOL! OH BROTHER!
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wad ai dink aboudda statement is dat da statement da true is...
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Dats cool ma man! And I kno dat u b on da juice, so I hope dat u gained mo dan 15 pounds from dat shit, or r u another whitewillow ::)
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I don't know man. I'm so stuck on high reps, it's hard to get past my own predjudice. I'm just getting more serious now and I'm doing something very similar to this in hopes to shake things up. I think that legs are fundamentally different than other body parts, they seem to grow just by fucking forcing them to work harder through sheer force of will. 8)
Now you'll hate my new back workout. Tabata interval training with tiny little 50lb dumbells. Bent over rows for sets of 20 seconds each (no reps counted) EIGHT sets with 10 seconds rest in between. This is fucking hard. Thats basically a 2.6 minute set.
I know what you mean..i used to do entire workouts based on tabata only..i d pick 3-4 exercises n do 10 sets(instead of the usual 8sets) 20 secs on 10 secs off.
1 set would last 5 minutes in total.i realize that was a huge volume of work n i probably wasnt pushing myself 100% if i was able to finish it,but in the end i could barely stand and was always out of breath.Gotta say i had great results though(also with a bit of help from var)..
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So what do you mean by "great results"? Bigger muscles? Better conditioning? I'm willing to bet that it was better conditioning.
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So what do you mean by "great results"? Bigger muscles? Better conditioning? I'm willing to bet that it was better conditioning.
yes,it was a much better conditioning..muscles were a lot more pumped too which could be the result of var+the type of training.
when i say i had great results,i mean that that type of training helped me look a lot better than i ever looked before
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So wot y'all think bout the statement dat "muscle growth occurs in spruts"? Agree? Disagree? And on a side note, whitewidow (Gods stalker) has gone from a buck 70 to a buck 85 FROM 6 YEARS OF STEADY GEAR USE LOL! OH BROTHER!
muscle growth does happen in bursts, you tend to struggle then make a break through then struggle again etc etc etc.....
i love these people who swear blind that there natural and gain exactly 5lbs lean mass year after year,, absolute bullshit, check out the real natural competitiors, once they hit there initial size they very rarely go up a weight class, they do get more and more conditioned each year, and thats the best you can hope for!
and id love to know how you gained exactly 6.5lbs of lean mass on your legs, these kind of statements realy do make my eyes roll ::) ::) ::)
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I hear ya man! BUT, my leg press strength DID increase nearly 200 pounds in 5 weeks time. I went from 3 plates a side for 5 reps to 5 plates a side for 5 reps over a 5 week period. Also, my bodyweight went from 160 to 165 within this same 5 week time frame, AND I have a 7 site skinfold test before and after this 5 week period and ALL 7 site went down slightly. So, according to the skinfolds I went from 160 @ 12.4% to 165 @ 11.2% PLUS, I gained nearly 2 inches on each thigh. So I think that it's safe to say that this weight went right to my legs ;D Also, my push and my pull strength DECREASED during this 5 week period, so this muscle certainly didn't to my upper body.
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Like Groink I try everything. Name a protocol and I've tried it. I've had great gains from German volume and mixing reps and rest times etc.. However, in the background to all this - the longterm picture- is getting stronger.
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"the long term picture- is getting stronger" BINGO! And do you think that muscle growth occurs in spurts?
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I Usually do fairly low reps on squats every workout (1-5) for strength. However when I switch to higher reps and lower weights my quads look fuller/different in a matter of weeks. Don't know if this is due to increased pump or hypertrophy, but I can see difference very clearly between these training styles.
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Dats cool ma man! And I kno dat u b on da juice, so I hope dat u gained mo dan 15 pounds from dat shit, or r u another whitewillow ::)
Jå..jag är säkert att jad hade mycket bättre resultater än "Den Vita Änlingen"...Faktiskt tycker jag att "Den Vita Änklingen" måste vara helvete dum att ha så skit "resultater" om da juice...
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Jå..jag är säkert att jad hade mycket bättre resultater än "Den Vita Änlingen"...Faktiskt tycker jag att "Den Vita Änklingen" måste vara helvete dum att ha så skit "resultater" om da juice...
Thsi looks good but I dont know what it says.
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Yes...Im sure that I've had better results than whitewidow...In fact i think whitewidow has to be infernally stupid to get crap "results" like that of da juice...
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Everybody wants to be a bodybuilder but ain't nobody want to lift no heavy ass weight
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You must lift heavy, or at least heavier than you were previously. Discuss
for muscular size and strength you have tro have hormones in system,,
for muscular size and strength to look good and lean enough so people notice you and dont think you are power lifter or some gym rat,,you got to have hgh added to it
gh15 approved
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I lift things up and put them down.
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You must lift heavy, or at least heavier than you were previously. Discuss
I agree, but volume is also important.
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So I'm guessing that you are a firm believer in "set extensions" pre-exhust, supersets, triple drops? I made my best size gains keeping my rep range within 4 to 6 reps per set, and increasing the weight once I could do more than 6 reps with a weight.
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Not really, I believe in heavy 6-15 rep ranges, what I meant by volume is doing more sets, not the typical 1 work ser per muscle HIT thing.
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What, are you obssesed with dicks or something?
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I didn't know they grew on trees
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Well, I guess you could say dat I'm a "semi-HIT" guy, but I think 3 to 4 work sets per 1 exercise works best, at least thats the way it's ALWAYS been with me. But, as far as deads are concerned I NEVER do more than 1 work set for them.
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Holy shit Dj i do about 20 sets an exercise. :)
Volume/intensity combo baby.
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Don't you mean 20 sets per bodypart? I usually only do 1 exercise per body part for 3 to 4 work sets. Remember... COMPOUND EXERCISES PWN ISOLATION EXERCISES. I'm convinced that those who do isolation exercises do them motivated by and based upon fear. Once again, 2 of the widest shoulder fellas dat I knew NEVER did any isolation delt work, in fact they didn't even do any kind of overhead pressing. Just so you know dat wot I say is true, one of these fellas is semi-famous and you can see how wide shoulder dat he is, his name is JM Blakley. Type his name into google image search and you will see wot I'm talkin' bout.
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Don't you mean 20 sets per bodypart? I usually only do 1 exercise per body part for 3 to 4 work sets. Remember... COMPOUND EXERCISES PWN ISOLATION EXERCISES. I'm convinced that those who do isolation exercises do them motivated by and based upon fear. Once again, 2 of the widest shoulder fellas dat I knew NEVER did any isolation delt work, in fact they didn't even do any kind of overhead pressing. Just so you know dat wot I say is true, one of these fellas is semi-famous and you can see how wide shoulder dat he is, his name is JM Blakley. Type his name into google image search and you will see wot I'm talkin' bout.
No like about 20 sets an exercise. Not that much most of the time but it's high. I do isolation for arms, shoulders, abs. And compounds for chest, back and so on.
What was his shouder routine?
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First of all, I'm talking bout natural trainers, not chemically enhanced fellas. Secondly, you CAN NOT make bones or joints grow ROFL! And as far as "nutrients and nutrition" goes, how's come it's possible to grow bigger muscles on calorie deficient diets?
(http://www.healthcentral.com/common/bloghoster/data/uploads/avatars/35150.gif?1261) thats pretty stupid to not understand this. wheres your re-building materials in a deficient diet?
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Bodyfat for one Falcon. I'm no scientist, but I have gained muscle on a calore deficent diet, as have many others.
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And Jamie, Blakley didn't do ANY direct shoulder work, he got those cannonball delts from his bench press training. NO OVERHEAD PRESSES, NO SIDE LATERALS OR REAR LATERALS, ABSOLUTELY NO DIRECT DELT WORK.
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And Jamie, Blakley didn't do ANY direct shoulder work, he got those cannonball delts from his bench press training. NO OVERHEAD PRESSES, NO SIDE LATERALS OR REAR LATERALS, ABSOLUTELY NO DIRECT DELT WORK.
:o :o :) My front delts get hit a lot pressing off my chest but not overall...
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Bodyfat for one Falcon. I'm no scientist, but I have gained muscle on a calore deficent diet, as have many others.
if youre undersized and undertrained yes this is possible
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Step into the light Falcon, ma man! LIFT HEAVIER AND HEAVIER WEIGHTS ;D