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dj181 · « **on:** January 07, 2011, 01:29:14 PM »

You must lift heavy, or at least heavier than you were previously. Discuss

Team Diver · « **Reply #1 on:** January 07, 2011, 01:33:29 PM »

Quote from: dj181 on January 07, 2011, 01:29:14 PM

You must lift heavy, or at least heavier than you were previously. Discuss

Stop looking for the Holy Grail.

Master Blaster · « **Reply #2 on:** January 07, 2011, 01:35:21 PM »

When a powerlifter decides to become a bodybuilder he lifts less weight for more reps. Its not just how heavy the weight is, its also time under tension.

Strongest muscle for one rep = smaller than muscle trained for larger volume.

This is beyond dispute.

Cableguy · « **Reply #3 on:** January 07, 2011, 01:38:41 PM »

Quote from: dj181 on January 07, 2011, 01:29:14 PM

You must lift heavy, or at least heavier than you were previously. Discuss

Groundbreaking concept...

spude · « **Reply #4 on:** January 07, 2011, 01:45:33 PM »

Didn't we just argue about this like fucking 2 weeks ago...and btw, your statement is FALSE!!!

geneticmarvel · « **Reply #5 on:** January 07, 2011, 01:47:28 PM »

Quote from: dj181 on January 07, 2011, 01:29:14 PM

You must lift heavy, or at least heavier than you were previously. Discuss

Muscle cells themselves become thicker denser when lifting heavy weight.

Master Blaster · « **Reply #6 on:** January 07, 2011, 01:48:12 PM »

Quote from: spude on January 07, 2011, 01:45:33 PM

Didn't we just argue about this like fucking 2 weeks ago...and btw, your statement is FALSE!!!

He's throwing bombs.

dj181 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 07, 2011, 01:52:38 PM »

It's not "my statement"

And your point is addressed within the source that I got this from Master Blaster. It finishes that statement with this tidbit: "and keep the total repetitions within the anaerobic pathway of 30 to 90 seconds"

Master Blaster · « **Reply #8 on:** January 07, 2011, 01:55:40 PM »

Quote from: dj181 on January 07, 2011, 01:52:38 PM

It's not "my statement" And your point is addressed within the source that I got this from Master Blaster. It finishes that statement with this tidbit: "and keep the total repetitions within the anaerobic pathway of 30 to 90 seconds"

You're saying complete all reps of a set in 90 seconds?

This is an outrage. I shall have justice, sir. I challenge you to a duel!

dj181 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 07, 2011, 02:00:41 PM »

Once again that's not "my words" and in fact I think that it's complete and utter horseshit! In my humble opinion, best results come from sets that last NO LONGER THAN 30 SECONDS MAX

dj181 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 07, 2011, 02:06:53 PM »

Another horseshit statement from "my statement" lol is that "you can improve the growth process by extending your sets" more horseshit! This is MUSCLE BUILDING, not an endurance contest

spude · « **Reply #11 on:** January 07, 2011, 02:08:14 PM »

Quote from: spude on December 16, 2010, 01:10:45 PM

Dude, you are talkin about a different thing...of course you can and will get stronger by "progressive overload", but if you want to get BIGGER, musclewise, drugs + mind-muscle connection is the key. Cos when you increase poundages you build your tendons, bones...yes muscles also to some extenctent, but very little...If you want to build muscle you need to eat to give them nutrients, stress the muscle to make your body realize where those nutrients need to go and take peds to multiplie the effectiveness of the whole process by 10...thats it, and rest of course...powerlifting and bb`ing are two different "sports", gotta remember that

Quoted for THE MOTHER FUCKING TRUTH!!!!

dj181 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 07, 2011, 02:14:04 PM »

First of all, I'm talking bout natural trainers, not chemically enhanced fellas. Secondly, you CAN NOT make bones or joints grow ROFL! And as far as "nutrients and nutrition" goes, how's come it's possible to grow bigger muscles on calorie deficient diets?

Parker · « **Reply #13 on:** January 07, 2011, 02:14:57 PM »

Quote from: Master Blaster on January 07, 2011, 01:55:40 PM

You're saying complete all reps of a set in 90 seconds?

This is an outrage. I shall have justice, sir. I challenge you to a duel!

How many reps and sets in said duel? And the rest period? And will you be stronger or weaker after said duel?

Master Blaster · « **Reply #14 on:** January 07, 2011, 02:25:53 PM »

Quote from: Parker on January 07, 2011, 02:14:57 PM

How many reps and sets in said duel? And the rest period? And will you 've strbger or weaker after said duel?

My Satisfaction shall be stregnthened when yon Bitter opponent is dispatched with all Haste by the Blind Justice of mine own hands.

dj181 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 07, 2011, 02:25:57 PM »

Well, I will accept da challange from Master Blaster, if the chosen exercise will be wide-grip weighted chins

And here's a few more quotes from "my statement" that I completely agree with: "HARD WORK IS ALWAYS REQUIRED to grow muscle naturally" and "Increasing muscle mass is NOT a linear process. It is a series of 'spurts'"

spude · « **Reply #16 on:** January 07, 2011, 02:29:34 PM »

I didn't say they would grow..."build tendons" can also mean making them stronger, not necessarily bigger...at least in my broken english
Growing on calorie deficient diet is possible for beginners due to the fact the change and shock to their body cosed by the newly started work out regimen is big enough to direct even the few nutrients in to the muscles..and for the enhanced fellas we are not talking about

Now of course you ca get stronger on calorie deficit...by increasing the amount of nerve cells responsible for using certain muscles...however, that has nothing to do with building more muscle...

I'm tired with that useless shit...go and see the old "progressive overload in my ass" -thread like 3-4 weeks ago...Peace...and out!

Palpatine Q · « **Reply #17 on:** January 07, 2011, 02:38:04 PM »

what i would like to know...and this isn't a sideways way of saying "how big i am" .......is how many dudes here have actually gotten BIG using their theories...any success?

I use EVERY protocol, exercise and rep tempo there is and don't have any rules to my training except bust your ass in the gym and BELIEVE you are going to grow

For example for chest yesterday i put 225 on the incline and lowered it for a 5 count and then exploded up with it, I did 4 sets of about 12-16 like that.... it was just something different and my pecs are good and sore today...and recuperation is very very important.

A lot of dudes let their enthusiasm for training outstrip their ability to recover

Master Blaster · « **Reply #18 on:** January 07, 2011, 02:39:44 PM »

Quote from: Groink on January 07, 2011, 02:38:04 PM

A lot of dudes let their enthusiasm for training outstrip their ability to recover

That was me 10 years ago, but now I don't think I work out hard enough

Hard to find the sweet spot

dj181 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 07, 2011, 02:44:42 PM »

No worries ma man, it's all in good fun, so don't get too worked up about it

And to you Master Blaster, I'm curious of your take on my best gaining leg program. So here is the story: I did only leg presses for legs every 6 days, and my training protocol was 3 sets of 5 reps increasing weight once more than 5 reps were possible, and from this training protocol my leg press strength increased by almost 200 pounds and I added 6.5 pounds of lean muscle tissue to my legs in 5 weeks time, and all natural of course. So, what's your take on this? My total time under tension per set was 20 seconds max.

dyslexic · « **Reply #20 on:** January 07, 2011, 02:46:16 PM »

People have been extremely bored lately...

Lift heavy without spotter. That should fix everything...(for us)

JimmyJam1974 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 07, 2011, 02:46:41 PM »

We must lift your mom 3-5 times weekly

dj181 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 07, 2011, 02:48:28 PM »

Ok gronik, so which protocol gave you your greatest gains? For me, I've ALWAYS got best results from 3*6 using da HOLY GRAIL

Palpatine Q · « **Reply #23 on:** January 07, 2011, 02:52:11 PM »

Quote from: dj181 on January 07, 2011, 02:48:28 PM

Ok gronik, so which protocol gave you your greatest gains? For me, I've ALWAYS got best results from 3*6 using da HOLY GRAIL

getting off rec drugs gave me my greatest gains

honestly i couldn't tell you....i NEVER stick with the same routine very long

Master Blaster · « **Reply #24 on:** January 07, 2011, 02:52:14 PM »

Quote from: dj181 on January 07, 2011, 02:44:42 PM

No worries ma man, it's all in good fun, so don't get too worked up about it And to you Master Blaster, I'm curious of your take on my best gaining leg program. So here is the story: I did only leg presses for legs every 6 days, and my training protocol was 3 sets of 5 reps increasing weight once more than 5 reps were possible, and from this training protocol my leg press strength increased by almost 200 pounds and I added 6.5 pounds of lean muscle tissue to my legs in 5 weeks time, and all natural of course. So, what's your take on this? My total time under tension per set was 20 seconds max.

I don't know man. I'm so stuck on high reps, it's hard to get past my own predjudice. I'm just getting more serious now and I'm doing something very similar to this in hopes to shake things up. I think that legs are fundamentally different than other body parts, they seem to grow just by fucking forcing them to work harder through sheer force of will.

Now you'll hate my new back workout. Tabata interval training with tiny little 50lb dumbells. Bent over rows for sets of 20 seconds each (no reps counted) EIGHT sets with 10 seconds rest in between. This is fucking hard. Thats basically a 2.6 minute set.