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Arthur Jones, at the age of nearly 50 years old, added 15 pounds of lean muscle tissue to his frame in 22 days. Discuss.
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Arthur Jones, at the age of nearly 50 years old, added 15 pounds of lean muscle tissue to his frame in 22 days. Discuss.
Um no he didn't.
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So you think that he was full of shit? AJ may have been alot of things, but he certainly wasn't a liar.
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So you think that he was full of shit? AJ may have been alot of things, but he certainly wasn't a liar.
I think he liked to exaggerate, A LOT. ;D I was obsessed with HIT when I was younger and I had access to all the nautilus machines and I have done it all as far as all the different HIT routines. It's all bunk unless you are juicing then you can grow doing anything.
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Which reminds me, I got a pic somewhere of me and Tony Pearson when he came to the Nautilus Center for a workout while guest posing for a show. If I find it I'll post it.
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And that's another interesting point, AJ was a lifetime natural. I just get really pissed and frustrated when I read this stuff, coz it so rarely happens. And on a side note, Mentzer said that his clients would regularly gain 20 to 30 pounds in 3 or 4 months.
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And that's another interesting point, AJ was a lifetime natural. I just get really pissed and frustrated when I read this stuff, coz it so rarely happens. And on a side note, Mentzer said that his clients would regularly gain 20 to 30 pounds in 3 or 4 months.
Got a story for ya and I think that I posted it once already. So a buddy of mine went to the Mentzer seminar twice. Once in 94 and 96 if I recall correctly. Not sure which time this was, but he told me that all the guys there were huge. A lot of them were locals who trained in the gym that Mike came to. He told me that they really did train with HIT way which I still kind doubt, but anyway when Mike was done with the seminar there was this other guy who talked about drugs and cycles. I guess Mike for obvious reasons didn't go into that kinda stuff. So basically what this guy recommended I would imagine thru Mike was this. 2 grams a week of your fav kind of test per week, 1500 mgs of and anabolic like EQ and 30 on and 30 off of an oral like for example Anadrol at 8 PER DAY!!!! LOL Every 8 weeks you took a 4 weeks break off the oils. NOw, you think that someone could grow rather well while doing 2 to 3 sets per muscle group doing a cycle like that one? :D
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Im a bigger fan of the Tuskegee experiments.
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So you think that he was full of shit? AJ may have been alot of things, but he certainly wasn't a liar.
Just because someone isn't purposely lying does NOT mean he/she/it is telling the TRUTH...
Is that difficult to comprehend?
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I get it, but he was literally obsessed with accurate measurements, so it just seems a bit of a stretch that he was speaking half-truths in this regard.
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people still talking about this orgy aka experiment with big casey buns and his teacher?
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No fucks are given.
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I get it, but he was literally obsessed with accurate measurements, so it just seems a bit of a stretch that he was speaking half-truths in this regard.
maybe this can be your jumping the shark moment
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Got a story for ya and I think that I posted it once already. So a buddy of mine went to the Mentzer seminar twice. Once in 94 and 96 if I recall correctly. Not sure which time this was, but he told me that all the guys there were huge. A lot of them were locals who trained in the gym that Mike came to. He told me that they really did train with HIT way which I still kind doubt, but anyway when Mike was done with the seminar there was this other guy who talked about drugs and cycles. I guess Mike for obvious reasons didn't go into that kinda stuff. So basically what this guy recommended I would imagine thru Mike was this. 2 grams a week of your fav kind of test per week, 1500 mgs of and anabolic like EQ and 30 on and 30 off of an oral like for example Anadrol at 8 PER DAY!!!! LOL Every 8 weeks you took a 4 weeks break off the oils. NOw, you think that someone could grow rather well while doing 2 to 3 sets per muscle group doing a cycle like that one? :D
cool story,,, sad too and thats y mike wasnt even close to winnin the o bc the only thing biggr then his mouth was his belly and now seems to be his recomended intake of drugs,,, thats y hit preex styl training has weight but the frequency and possibly volume is way off.... i nevr seen ppl get in bettershape stayin out of the gym,if that were the case every middleaged pencilneckpotbelly would hav a gr8 build off of 3x per wk espec if they weekend warrior on their sets so same thing wit guys that sauce,all things equal its gotta go to the guy that trains mor not less and of course doing mov rit staying injury free recovery etc
a guy that spends 20hrs a wk liftin for ten yrs will prob look better than a guy doin 10 hrs a wk per ten yrs... grantd they start with similar circumstances bdytypes weights etc, u get the point
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Hey Lion, Mentzer wasn't recomending trainining 3x a week in the mid 90s, he recomended training once every 5 to 7 days, and sometimes every 10 days to 2 weeks.
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Hey Lion, Mentzer wasn't recomending trainining 3x a week in the mid 90s, he recomended training once every 5 to 7 days, and sometimes every 10 days to 2 weeks.
LMAO!!!
If your steroids are in the grams range, then you'll probably be fine with it.
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Hey Falcon, I gets da feeling dat you have had piss poor results wit yo training for years, am I right? Have you actually lost any fat since your "diet" you have started 2 weeks ago? FYI, IT IS POSSIBLE TO LOSE UP TO 4 POUNDS OF FAT PER WEEK. But, I'm sure that you haven't changed one little bit ;)
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Hey Lion, Mentzer wasn't recomending trainining 3x a week in the mid 90s, he recomended training once every 5 to 7 days, and sometimes every 10 days to 2 weeks.
LMAO!!!!! ;D
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Mentzer definitively went lunatic in his latter days.
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Hey Lion, Mentzer wasn't recomending trainining 3x a week in the mid 90s, he recomended training once every 5 to 7 days, and sometimes every 10 days to 2 weeks.
Why don't all the pussy's you see in the gym that train at that sort of regularity grow then?
You have got to like training and fucking tear shit up.
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gota remember casey just lost about 40lbs of muscle and then started that famous experiment..so he already had all that muscle it was just a matter of getin back on and goin back to trainin. i think any kind of trainin would have produced the same results cause he had already had all that muscle.
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Is this how Arthur Jones looked after the Colorado experiment? @ 50 years old?
(http://arthurjonesexercise.com/Photos/Arthur%20%26%20Casey.jpg)
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Arthur must have been juicing. An old cigarette smoking tool he was.
Rude f00k, thought he was Jesus for gods sake.
Because he was a hard ass to people, they cowered in fear of him.
I would have knocked that bitch out.. LOL
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But I'm not talking about casey's results, I'm talking about THE 50 YEAR OLD LIFETIME NATURAL, Arthur Jones results! 15 LEAN MUSCLE POUNDS added in 22 days! Me thinks that peeps just want to deny it, say it isn't possible, or call him a liar, coz their pride just can't handle THE FACT, that they get piss poor results from their training, and are lucky to gain an ounce of fucking muscle to their frames
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And Jamie, I don't know man, but many fellas have claimed outstanding gains using Mentzer's one workout a week training style. In fact, a few of the members on this board make that claim.
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But I'm not talking about casey's results, I'm talking about THE 50 YEAR OLD LIFETIME NATURAL, Arthur Jones results! 15 LEAN MUSCLE POUNDS added in 22 days! Me thinks that peeps just want to deny it, say it isn't possible, or call him a liar, coz their pride just can't handle THE FACT, that they get piss poor results from their training, and are lucky to gain an ounce of fucking muscle to their frames
Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence...
The fact he says it just isn't good enough when in the history of the world there is no scientifically controlled example of a natural gaining 15 lbs of MUSCLE in 22 days. So short of extraordinary evidence, I will simply disbelieve it.
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But it was an experiment within a controlled setting man. They did this experiment at Colorado State University, with before and after strength tests, and before and after bodyfat measures. These strength tests DIRECTLY PROVE that his added bodyweight WAS LEAN MUSCLE TISSUE, because a bigger muscle IS a stronger muscle, not to mention THE FACT that his bodyfat levels actually went down during this 3 week time period. And AJ was a fucking mean ass prick, but he wasn't a liar.
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Is this how Arthur Jones looked after the Colorado experiment? @ 50 years old?
(http://arthurjonesexercise.com/Photos/Arthur%20%26%20Casey.jpg)
looks like alot of 'experimenting' going on :-X
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But it was an experiment within a controlled setting man. They did this experiment at Colorado State University, with before and after strength tests, and before and after bodyfat measures. These strength tests DIRECTLY PROVE that his added bodyweight WAS LEAN MUSCLE TISSUE, because a bigger muscle IS a stronger muscle, not to mention THE FACT that his bodyfat levels actually went down during this 3 week time period. And AJ was a fucking mean ass prick, but he wasn't a liar.
Our standards of controlled are different. In this case, the claim is he was natural. How do we know he was natural? Because he says he was. That is the unknown variable in this experiment. Everyone lies there is no exception. By definition we are all liars. To what extent is the only question. So again, if left to believe a natural put on 15 lbs of lean muscle in 22 days, I would have to suspend a lot of historical, scientific and ancedotal information to accept that as fact.
So given the unknown variable and the extraordinary result, I ask myself... what is more likely...AJ gained 15 lbs of lean muscle in 22 days circuit training, OR, he was on the juice. Personally, I'm going with the juice. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
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Allright man, good point. But he wasn't just doing circuit training during this experiment, he was also heaving using negative-only as well. The point is that he greatly increased his strength in this 3 week period. ONE CANNOT GET NOTICEABLY STRONGER AND NOT GET BIGGER, it just won't happen.
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boy,,meets man and man then teaches boy things,,he never knew,, :D
looks like alot of 'experimenting' going on :-X
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And Jamie, I don't know man, but many fellas have claimed outstanding gains using Mentzer's one workout a week training style. In fact, a few of the members on this board make that claim.
Everyone that i see that makes gains train hard and regular, regular being more than once every two weeks and more than two sets or whatever the fuck he used to specify.
Even if Arthur did gain that muscle naturally, which he didn't, all that would mean is that he is a freak genetic exception. It goes no way to validating his training because that will not work with anyone else. Fame is money, of course he put his ideology's in the best possible light, he would have been stupid not to.
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Is this how Arthur Jones looked after the Colorado experiment? @ 50 years old?
(http://arthurjonesexercise.com/Photos/Arthur%20%26%20Casey.jpg)
I heard of these "types" of experiments involving an older man and an innocent youngster.
Hmm..
"1"
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I heard of these "types" of experiments involving an older man and an innocent youngster.
Hmm..
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Sounds like a priest and an altar boy.
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I thought this was about the Vyotech Colorado Pro.
>:(
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Im a bigger fan of the Tuskegee experiments.
(http://i808.photobucket.com/albums/zz5/TacoBell921/mugshot-epic-fail.jpg)
LMAO ;D
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Lots of haters in this thread. Oh well, if you are satisfied with you negligible and piss poor results then so be it. Me? Well, I'm not satisfied with piss poor results.
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I havent the guts to try hit for 6month, who has?
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And Jamie, the Mentzer guys do train pretty hard, they just don't train very often. Serious question, how much lean muscle mass have you gained in the last 3 weeks? No man, I ain't hating on ya, I just trying to help you to see the whole point of this thread. And by the way, muscle growth DOES HAPPEN IN SPURTS, not this slow continous bullshit that many people claim.
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And Jamie, the Mentzer guys do train pretty hard, they just don't train very often. Serious question, how much lean muscle mass have you gained in the last 3 weeks? No man, I ain't hating on ya, I just trying to help you to see the whole point of this thread. And by the way, muscle growth DOES HAPPEN IN SPURTS, not this slow continous bullshit that many people claim.
Couple of pounds. My diet is awful at the moment and i am doing a lot of cardio. I will train volume and then a more HiT style say about three months each when i get my diet sorted to compare my results, i'm moving about a lot at the moment so it's difficult.
I agree about the muscle growth in spurts, at least thats the way that i always percieved it.
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It's not about trying it for 6 months tallgerman. The whole point of this is that MUSCLE GROWTH SHOULD BE IMMEDIATE AND DRAMTIC, if training is conducted properly. If you don't get immediate results with your training, then something is wrong.
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It's not about trying it for 6 months tallgerman. The whole point of this is that MUSCLE GROWTH SHOULD BE IMMEDIATE AND DRAMTIC, if training is conducted properly. If you don't get immediate results with your training, then something is wrong.
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So what the fuck does that post have to do with the topic master blaster? Or is it just a fancy way of you saying that you are satisfied with your piss poor results ;D
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So what the fuck does that post have to do with the topic master blaster? Or is it just a fancy way of you saying that you are satisfied with your piss poor results ;D
That you are an annoying moronic fuck and you need to GTFO.
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Lots of haters in this thread. Oh well, if you are satisfied with you negligible and piss poor results then so be it. Me? Well, I'm not satisfied with piss poor results.
lol...what do you want us to post? That its possible?
Ok its possible, if you copy his exact training routine you'll also gain 15 lbs of muscle in 22 days...but don't forget to eat and take as many shits as he did..plus you'll need a young muscular guy to schmoe over. ;D
Seriously though, from what I read Arthur Jones trained from a young age and probably those 15 lbs of muscle gains were from muscle memory.
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Oh shit JP, you just cracked the riddle ;) MUSCLE MEMORY was/is the answer to this riddle ;D
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dj181,
I don't post much here but read a lot, which unfortunately means that I am exposed to your bullshit a lot. You come across as an idiot who wants to desperately prove to himself that it is possible to build your dream physique without steroids. You have a huge fear that you will never look good as a result of your refusal (i.e. cowardice) not to roid up and are looking for the magic bullet, desperately.
I hope 2011 bring better luck to you, but in my opinion you are better of simply accepting what you look like and moving onto other endeavors in your life.
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Fair enough sub-7, cool nick by the way. But this ain't all about me and my twink 170 pound physique, I plan on getting back into the business of fitness training, and this also has to do with my business and money making ability as a fit trainer. You see, if I provide potential clients with a meaningful and productive product ie. helping them to achieve their goals very, very quickly then I will build a great rep for myself and make more and more cash. Yeah I know that many talk shit about fit trainers but that's their problem, not mine. So look at it this way, if my clients get great results then they will spread the word and I will get more and more clients, and more and more clients equals more and more cash for me. And what's wrong with trying to discover the truth?
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If my memory is correct Jones caught the flu toward the end of the so called Colorado experiment and he had to quit. I will look for proof of this online.
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cool story,,, sad too and thats y mike wasnt even close to winnin the o bc the only thing biggr then his mouth was his belly and now seems to be his recomended intake of drugs,,, thats y hit preex styl training has weight but the frequency and possibly volume is way off.... i nevr seen ppl get in bettershape stayin out of the gym,if that were the case every middleaged pencilneckpotbelly would hav a gr8 build off of 3x per wk espec if they weekend warrior on their sets so same thing wit guys that sauce,all things equal its gotta go to the guy that trains mor not less and of course doing mov rit staying injury free recovery etc
a guy that spends 20hrs a wk liftin for ten yrs will prob look better than a guy doin 10 hrs a wk per ten yrs... grantd they start with similar circumstances bdytypes weights etc, u get the point
Every pencil neck geek won't have a great build because they don't have the muscle/mind connection ;)
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Fair enough sub-7, cool nick by the way. But this ain't all about me and my twink 170 pound physique, I plan on getting back into the business of fitness training, and this also has to do with my business and money making ability as a fit trainer. You see, if I provide potential clients with a meaningful and productive product ie. helping them to achieve their goals very, very quickly then I will build a great rep for myself and make more and more cash. Yeah I know that many talk shit about fit trainers but that's their problem, not mine. So look at it this way, if my clients get great results then they will spread the word and I will get more and more clients, and more and more clients equals more and more cash for me. And what's wrong with trying to discover the truth?
This is an exceptionally honest answer and very well worded. Thank you very much.
Actually I train with very few sets (not 1 but close) and have read basically all that has ever been written on the subject. My take on the topic is as follows:
The owner of Master Trainer, (it is at: http://www.ageless-athletes.com/ ) published an article where a literature review was presented about one set vs multi-set training. Now, this was a long time ago and I used to subscribe to his printed version; hence, it may not be easy to locate on his site (but do look for it, perhaps you can purchase the article or the copy of the issue where it was published). But, long story short, of the dozen (or two dozen?) published papers on single vs multi set training, all but one or two showed either single sets to be equally effective or more effective.
Of course, none of these were done on bodybuilders, let alone juiced bbers. And I do not claim that someone who is ultra-serious about bbing train with only one set in all cases. But, for the middle aged guy going to the gym to look better, I am fairly confident that single sets will generally work as well as multi-sets and adherence to the protocol as well as injury risk will be lower. Hence, you will make more $$$
The critical issue is generating sufficient intensity to make single sets work. I really do not believe that one must go insane and come close to puking. In fact, I don't even think one has to go much beyond positive failure on most sets (maybe 1-2 forced reps thrown in at the end of some sessions, but not always). But people have to realize that they won't hurt themselves or get a heart attack if they push to positive failure, which is hard to communicate to some guys really.
Just my take on the topic, hope it was useful -at least somewhat
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Thanks oldtimer, and while you're at it, why not try and find some of Jones' writings on negative-only training. If I remember correctly he said that he made it up to a buck 80 doing negative-only training, and this was a year or two after the Colorado Experiment.
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dj181,
I don't post much here but read a lot, which unfortunately means that I am exposed to your bullshit a lot. You come across as an idiot who wants to desperately prove to himself that it is possible to build your dream physique without steroids. You have a huge fear that you will never look good as a result of your refusal (i.e. cowardice) not to roid up and are looking for the magic bullet, desperately.
I hope 2011 bring better luck to you, but in my opinion you are better of simply accepting what you look like and moving onto other endeavors in your life.
spot on.
The other thing that's annoying is that he posts some BS claims and will not accept anyone telling him different. If he can't do any better any more, he comes up with the usual bullshit like "post your pic". ::)
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I'm not the one who says post your pic, that's panda and falcon territory, not mine. Also, I'm not that closed minded, and as I EASILY ADMITTED a clean diet can also give fantastic results, and that a dirty diet isn't better than a clean one. Come on man, you know that IF muscle growth happens, it happens rapidly and in spurts, or do you really believe that it occurs very gradually and in dribbles?
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I'm not the one who says post your pic, that's panda and falcon territory, not mine. Also, I'm not that closed minded, and as I EASILY ADMITTED a clean diet can also give fantastic results, and that a dirty diet isn't better than a clean one]. Come on man, you know that IF muscle growth happens, it happens rapidly and in spurts, or do you really believe that it occurs very gradually and in dribbles?
I already wrote everything that has to be said on this topic.
Just STFU and come back in one year. Now the whole board knows what's on your mind as you have been spamming the same stupid topic in 5 new treads every day for a week.
DO it, don't talk about it.
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Allright man, fair enough. So I will use che's calling me out thread for the proof that I actually DO IT.
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Hey Lion, Mentzer wasn't recomending trainining 3x a week in the mid 90s, he recomended training once every 5 to 7 days, and sometimes every 10 days to 2 weeks.
thats makes it even worse dj,,, i just dont see the body having enough time /frequency of gym hours to change homeostasis and keep changing it into a naturally muscularly developed body that can walk around day in day out with low bf while carrying considerable size.
heres an exampleas to y i think gym time is mor important than diet and or drugs in the long run...
two guys similar height, 115lbs etc typical story start liftining weight to getbig one guy aftr a month keeps liftin learns everything there is to know and keeps on everyday for 10yrs 6-7days per wk, othr guy starts saucin after a month and keeps on saucin for 10yr and learns everything about sauce,,, not so much bout diet and nothing bout training and doesnt hav good training frequency either maybe 4xper wk. now, obviously the guy that lifts weights everyday for 10yrs looks it,almost like he takes juice to but doesnt hav the arm size,although its close but beaten on vascualrity seperation and bodyweight 200 versus 230...
however aside from mor cut vasucalr thicker arms and legs there isnt really much difference at all,,,, except whn the guy stops juicing.
simply put is u dont get better at something by not doing it...
in most cases,,,
all things equal,,, training smart,inury etc., the person that spends more time training will beat all others.period.