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There's some guys that are getting their IGF levels measure follow an injection of HGH. One did it on Riptropins and the other on the Red tops. The Rips showed a vast increase in IGF levels and the Red tops showed no difference, in fact even lower, than levels while off HGH. Remember, Riptropins are not approved here but the Red tops are. WTF?
You have to sign up to read the thread and see the scanned test results but I'll copy and paste some of the info.
http://www.outlawmuscle.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101666
"Riptropin Log
Will include scanned igf test results when I can get my scanner to work correctly. This Gh is definitely legit and ill post up. there are a few things I will lay out as far as info goes to get the most accurate data and idea of whats going on. the protocol consists of 6iu/day split up 3iu in am, 3iu pm.
-Im 26
-weight: currently 275lbs
-My igf levels pre protocol were 220 ng/ml. That is considered "normal" range. normal being 117-329 ng/ml.
- My igf test results after taking the rips for approx 21 days was 644 ng/ml (1 hour post admin) and then two hours later 645 ng/ml(3 hours post admin). how I did this was say take 3iu at 11am, then blood draw at noon, then another blood draw at 2pm. you'll see the times in the scanned copys.
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And on the same thread but the person using the Thanks (Red tops):
I'm going to do the same thing when I start up on Kigs.
I got my IGF levels check a couple of different times while on ThankTropins and they came back at 313 the first time and 271 the second time.
On my LabCorp sheet it says anything over 267 is consider high.
I'm going to get my levels check at the end of the month so that will put me around 5 to 6 months without taking any GH.
My last IGF test was 327 and I was off GH for close to 6 months, just crazy how they are higher off of GH then while on.
I can't wait to see what it is this time.
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I thought thanktropin from Nordic was approved here?
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With normal range being 117-329 ng/ml it appears the Red tops did nothing to elevate IGF levels while the Rips sent the levels soaring.
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This is where they are geting tested. The ste refers you to a lab and then they run the tests. you can do it yourself and they will refer you to a lab located in your area.
http://www.saveonlabs.com/products/Insulin%252dlike-Growth-Factor-1-(IGF%252d1)-.html
Here is where you can find a lab
http://www.saveonlabs.com/pages/Lab-Locator.html
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I thought thanktropin from Nordic was approved here?
Me too. Maybe gh15 will speak on this. Lab test don't lie.
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I thought thanktropin from Nordic was approved here?
This is disturbing news.
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Most of GH that you can order via internet are fake or under dose. The people that sell GH over internet have like 10-20 web site and they have also 10-20 different prices to attract you.
Do not spend your money on GH over internet.
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Most of GH that you can order via internet are fake or under dose. The people that sell GH over internet have like 10-20 web site and they have also 10-20 different prices to attract you.
Do not spend your money on GH over internet.
Considering that is how the vast majority of the bodybuilders get their gh what do you suggest? How do you go to to buy five kits of gh?
Obviously the riptropins that this guy is using, and got off the net, is working very well.
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Considering that is how the vast majority of the bodybuilders get their gh what do you suggest? How do you go to to buy five kits of gh?
Obviously the riptropins that this guy is using, and got off the net, is working very well.
spot on.
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spot on.
Actually I should have said "Who do you go to to buy five kits of legit gh?" It's not like guys are walking around with gym bags or coolers filled with HGH and saying, "Hey kid, want to mutate?"
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Actually I should have said "Who do you go to to buy five kits of legit gh?" It's not like guys are walking around with gym bags or coolers filled with HGH and saying, "Hey kid, want to mutate?"
And i doubt you'll find a doc that gives you prescriptions for 15i.u. HGH on your health insurance, diagnosis: Mutation needed.
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And i doubt you'll find a doc that gives you prescriptions for 15i.u. HGH on your health insurance, diagnosis: Mutation needed.
god needs to speak on this pronto. I got on the site and saw the lab results. god specifically disapproved the riptropins but has given a huge thumbs up on the red tops.
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pay close attention ,,its noon i dont have time for balonie i got to go eat,, this is one time i will write it here,,pay close attention pupils and ALL OTHER BOADING MEMEBERS WHO READ GH15 ,,
the only thing that matter nwoday is that the soure been establsish long time,,all the rest of the things are being faked,,rip sellers give fellas free kits fella does this report that bla bla,,happen all over the place,,everyone with agenda,,
what gh15 is writing to you is not balonie tesitng fake crap ,,,it is practical hands on for many years,, it is imporant that you distingwish the amatuer from profesional,,
the rips are known to have bad reputation ,,people did not see result with them ,,result on the surface,,forget about stupid test that dont mean a thing,,LIKE BLOOD PRESSURE IGF LEVEL CHANGES ALL THE TIME,,DEPENDING WHEN YOU EAT WHO TAKE EXAM ,,WHEN INJECTION ,,HOW PRODUCT WS HANDLED,,MANY MANY THINGS GO INTO IT,,BUT MOST OF THOSE TESTING ARE BEING MADE BY PUSHERS,,
now,,very importanto,, when gh15 approve somethign ,,it been tried by most profesional on the ifbb scene ,,
the riptropin woudl be approve if how consistancy ,,but some did some dont! ,,the thanktropin show consistancy for over long time,,alwya sshow consistant result on physiqe,,
so,,as said,,gh15 approve specific list,,no prpagandas and agendas from boaridng will change gh15 approval ratings,, the appoval rating ar e based on the final physiqe you want to achieve which is magazine look,, for this physiqe you need legit gh,,
legit gh approved by gh15
serostim
kigtropin
seizan
thanktropin
ely lilly humetrop
that is it,,if i had other gh i approved it woudl be here,,there is not,,this was based on HANDS ON EXPERIENCE BY 5 IFBB PROFESSIONAL OVER 3 YEAR PERIOD,,
remember friend,,agendas and misleading is name of the game,, you need to go with the reputation of source rather than test you never knwo where came from who made it and if really a test,,you have no idea if the test if its real was even done after taking the product mention,,
there is big big fight from other gh sources that try to push their junk,,rip was good then bad,, then many complains of no results,,so igf level mean nothing when no result to follow
hgh show result fast 5 day you need to see blow up size on scale and in mirror,, water cover from inside muscle and somewhat on the outside ,,not a lot,,then after sometime water go away slowly and you see scuplpted drier physiqe ,, this is therule,,it sholudl always show improved physiqe and FAST,, first 30 days big improvement ,,60 day huge improvement,,6 months and up npc high level competeiot,,1-2 years a pro,,
hgh shoudl not by from site on internet only from source you trust ,,and that perform for long time,,no one that came out of no where,,no remailer,,no bulk reselers that work with other people and pull their way into some market,,it has to be from reputabel source that his reputation can rize or fall on the gh they provide,,
the ones gh15 approve are 100% legit,,
gh15 approved
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god needs to speak on this pronto. I got on the site and saw the lab results. god specifically disapproved the riptropins but has given a huge thumbs up on the red tops.
and i still disaprove the riptropin as gh15 approved gh,,due to too many complain,,if i change my mind it wil be up here,,right now only thankropin out of the 2 is approved,,
the result of igf need to be tested when you can see who test what,,you trust word of someone who say he went to tets and show you result,,,you dont know what he test,,the thankropin are over 97% pure,,it is not 99 like americano pharma but it is in the zone,,same for the kigtropin which is 99%,,this all are legit gh ,,the riptropin did not provide result with many people ,,some did have good result but it was from specific sources which mean no consistancy which means FAILED to be approved
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Me too. Maybe gh15 will speak on this. Lab test don't lie.
lab test dont lieindeed,,btu inorder to knwo if lab test done right,,, you need to knwo what subject took before lab test,,,you need to know what gh he did ,,,were you there when he injected? and if he injected what he say he did ....how do you knwo that one gh wasnt held in shit condition ,,how you know that he didnt inject it into sq or im and thats why the diff,,because there iwl be a diff,,how you know he didnt eat something before one of the test,,how you know where he get the kit,,maybe got 10 free kit of rip and soure say ill give you 10 kit if you do this and that and send him the best kit then send others shit,,
the gh gh15 approve is come with no agendas,,everyone get same product,,no one have to wonder,,it is approved for a reason,,
many fellas try to get in the market and dont knwo anythign about it,,they count on the word of ome wirdo in china,,you need to have long relashionship and put lots of money in the bueisness,, only few have done it,,becaue when you give the china men lots of money for long time,,they will also send you best quality they can have,,you talking her ebig sources bgi money nto amaturs,,
the test maybe real,,but what was teste is unknown,,what we knwo is that many have no result from riptropin beside water and even that somtime not,,and many havereesult from thankropin for many years because npc bodybuild use it on regular basis,,always go by hands on not some computer shit someone showed you,,
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gh15, have you and your "elfs" tried chinese generic called alphagen?...what were your experiences, i can see it isnt approved but can you elaborate a bit?...bad product, unreputable (re-)sellers, inconsistency in quality?...thanks!
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pay close attention ,,its noon i dont have time for balonie i got to go eat,, this is one time i will write it here,,pay close attention pupils and ALL OTHER BOADING MEMEBERS WHO READ GH15 ,,
the only thing that matter nwoday is that the soure been establsish long time,,all the rest of the things are being faked,,rip sellers give fellas free kits fella does this report that bla bla,,happen all over the place,,everyone with agenda,,
what gh15 is writing to you is not balonie tesitng fake crap ,,,it is practical hands on for many years,, it is imporant that you distingwish the amatuer from profesional,,
the rips are known to have bad reputation ,,people did not see result with them ,,result on the surface,,forget about stupid test that dont mean a thing,,LIKE BLOOD PRESSURE IGF LEVEL CHANGES ALL THE TIME,,DEPENDING WHEN YOU EAT WHO TAKE EXAM ,,WHEN INJECTION ,,HOW PRODUCT WS HANDLED,,MANY MANY THINGS GO INTO IT,,BUT MOST OF THOSE TESTING ARE BEING MADE BY PUSHERS,,
now,,very importanto,, when gh15 approve somethign ,,it been tried by most profesional on the ifbb scene ,,
the riptropin woudl be approve if how consistancy ,,but some did some dont! ,,the thanktropin show consistancy for over long time,,alwya sshow consistant result on physiqe,,
so,,as said,,gh15 approve specific list,,no prpagandas and agendas from boaridng will change gh15 approval ratings,, the appoval rating ar e based on the final physiqe you want to achieve which is magazine look,, for this physiqe you need legit gh,,
legit gh approved by gh15
serostim
kigtropin
seizan
thanktropin
ely lilly humetrop
that is it,,if i had other gh i approved it woudl be here,,there is not,,this was based on HANDS ON EXPERIENCE BY 5 IFBB PROFESSIONAL OVER 3 YEAR PERIOD,,
remember friend,,agendas and misleading is name of the game,, you need to go with the reputation of source rather than test you never knwo where came from who made it and if really a test,,you have no idea if the test if its real was even done after taking the product mention,,
there is big big fight from other gh sources that try to push their junk,,rip was good then bad,, then many complains of no results,,so igf level mean nothing when no result to follow
hgh show result fast 5 day you need to see blow up size on scale and in mirror,, water cover from inside muscle and somewhat on the outside ,,not a lot,,then after sometime water go away slowly and you see scuplpted drier physiqe ,, this is therule,,it sholudl always show improved physiqe and FAST,, first 30 days big improvement ,,60 day huge improvement,,6 months and up npc high level competeiot,,1-2 years a pro,,
hgh shoudl not by from site on internet only from source you trust ,,and that perform for long time,,no one that came out of no where,,no remailer,,no bulk reselers that work with other people and pull their way into some market,,it has to be from reputabel source that his reputation can rize or fall on the gh they provide,,
the ones gh15 approve are 100% legit,,
gh15 approved
You forgot the Spike approved NDs.
How does one properly test their IGF while on HGH? What are the proper conditions? We're not suppose to believe the lab reports of board users but were suppose to believe the lab reports posted on the site of the supplier selling the product. I checked out the thread on OLM and apparently it's pretty easy and cheap to get your IGF tested. The thread seems to have inspired others to test the IGF levels as well. I would test mine once I start up on the HGH but there are no labs in my State that works with this website. Maybe others here can get tested like Wiggs and Spike. It's only $50. But we just need to know the proper conditions one will have to take to before the test.
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I'm the person that took the ThankTropins and got my IGF levels checked.
Now I have no idea what my base line IGF levels are before I ever touched GH. My lab report also says anything over 267 is considered high.
When I took the test I fasted for over 12hrs, because I was getting a full blood panel, so I had to fast.
I took 5 or 6ius, I have to look again about 1 1/2 hours before my blood test and it test at 313,
The second time it tested at 271, it was over 2hrs before I my blood taken and I also fasted for that one also.
I stopped the GH in Sept and got more blood work done on Nov 30th I believe. So I was off for about 2 to 3 months. It's crazy that my levels came back at 327, highest ever. I really don't know what to say about that. I'm going to get my levels check again since it'll be about 5 months since I stopped. But this time I'm not going to fast and just get my test, estro and IGF checked. I'm very curious on what the levels will be.
When I was on the ThankTropins I felt like they were working, my nails grew fast, I could eat what I wanted. And texting made my hands cramp up.
I just picked up some kigs and when I take them and have been on for at least a couple months I'm going to get tested again.
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You forgot the Spike approved NDs.
How does one properly test their IGF while on HGH? What are the proper conditions? We're not suppose to believe the lab reports of board users but were suppose to believe the lab reports posted on the site of the supplier selling the product. I checked out the thread on OLM and apparently it's pretty easy and cheap to get your IGF tested. The thread seems to have inspired others to test the IGF levels as well. I would test mine once I start up on the HGH but there are no labs in my State that works with this website. Maybe others here can get tested like Wiggs and Spike. It's only $50. But we just need to know the proper conditions one will have to take to before the test.
I can't get tested in my state either. I just take the hour drive to the state next to me that will do it.
I use PrivateMDLabs.com
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You forgot the Spike approved NDs.
How does one properly test their IGF while on HGH? What are the proper conditions? We're not suppose to believe the lab reports of board users but were suppose to believe the lab reports posted on the site of the supplier selling the product. I checked out the thread on OLM and apparently it's pretty easy and cheap to get your IGF tested. The thread seems to have inspired others to test the IGF levels as well. I would test mine once I start up on the HGH but there are no labs in my State that works with this website. Maybe others here can get tested like Wiggs and Spike. It's only $50. But we just need to know the proper conditions one will have to take to before the test.
the point of the matter is this,,lab test doesnt mean shit,, everyone can fake them ,,you are not there ,,you have no idea the ocndition of priduct or even if product mentioned was teted or maybe other product,,you have no idea if person have problem with health like many do that iwll fuck up with substances in body,, you have no idea if fella on other drugs that iwll interfer with results,,many many factor go into it,,if you yourelf take test and know what you took then it is better ,,but dont believe on computer anything in form of lab test,,all agenda drive,,
what you need to look at is one thing
how you look in mirror
ON LEGIT GH ,,YOU WILL GET LOOKS IN THE GYM WHEN YOU TAKE OFF YOUR JACKET,,,IT WILL BE FROM AVERAGE GYM RAT SUDDENLY TO GETING LOOKS FROM THE MOST JACKED FELLAS THERE ,,THE LOOKS OF WELCOME ABOARD AND OR JELOUSY,,USUALLY GELOUSY IF IN AMERICANA,,ON LEGIT GH YOU WILL SEE CHANGES WITH IN FEW DAYS,,EVERY DAY THERE WIL BE A CHANGE,,ESPECIALY ON OVER 5 IU ,,BUT EVEN AT 5 IU ,,AFTER FEW DAYS PHYSIQE START TO CHANGE,,IT DOESNT TAKE 6 MONTH,,,IT TAKE FEW DAYS,,AND FROM THEN ON CHANGES HAPPEN AND HAPPEN FAST IF ON STEROIDS TOO,,
YOU NEED SEE IT IN THE MIRROR AND EASY ,,,YOU JUST BECOME AS LEAN YET REMAIN THICK AS BEFORE,,FROM BLOOFY POOFY YOU BCOME THICKLY CHARMING,, SUDENLY YOU LOOK MUCH WIDER,,SUDELY YOU LOOK MUST TIGHT IN MIDSECTION ,,SUDENLY YOU LOOK HUGE,,IT COMES FAST IF BODYBUILD WITH FOUNDATION ,,IT COME VERY FAST,,GH DOESNT TKE LONG IT GO IN THE BLOOD AND ON THE SPOT START DOING ITS THING,,
NAIL GROW FAST,,
HUNGRY ALL THE TIME
NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU GET LEANER ,,YES EVEN WHEN HOLD WATER YOU CAN TEL YOU GET LEANER BECAUSE THE LINE THE CUTS THE ABDOMEN IS THERE SO YOU KNOW YOU ARE LOW BF EVEBN BEFROE WATER REDUCED,,
YOU DREAM AND SLEEP GOOD AND VERY MEMORABLE DREAMS
YOU ALWAYS ENERGIZED IN GYM
YOU GET LETHARFIC AND WANT TO SLEEP LIKE AT AGE 16 OUTSIDE GYM
YOU GET SOME CTS DEPEND ON THE PERSON BUT ALWAYS SOME CTS THAT REMAIN,,SUBSIDE AFTER A WHILE BUT ALWAYS TO SOME EXTANT THERE,,
this is what you need to go by,,when you check your igf levels to the product gh15 approve you will se big rize in igf,,but more important when you get on them ,,you will see what real gh is and wil hate the scamers and liars of the cult
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the point of the matter is this,,lab test doesnt mean shit,, everyone can fake them ,,you are not there ,,you have no idea the ocndition of priduct or even if product mentioned was teted or maybe other product,,you have no idea if person have problem with health like many do that iwll fuck up with substances in body,, you have no idea if fella on other drugs that iwll interfer with results,,many many factor go into it,,if you yourelf take test and know what you took then it is better ,,but dont believe on computer anything in form of lab test,,all agenda drive,,
what you need to look at is one thing
how you look in mirror
ON LEGIT GH ,,YOU WILL GET LOOKS IN THE GYM WHEN YOU TAKE OFF YOUR JACKET,,,IT WILL BE FROM AVERAGE GYM RAT SUDDENLY TO GETING LOOKS FROM THE MOST JACKED FELLAS THERE ,,THE LOOKS OF WELCOME ABOARD AND OR JELOUSY,,USUALLY GELOUSY IF IN AMERICANA,,ON LEGIT GH YOU WILL SEE CHANGES WITH IN FEW DAYS,,EVERY DAY THERE WIL BE A CHANGE,,ESPECIALY ON OVER 5 IU ,,BUT EVEN AT 5 IU ,,AFTER FEW DAYS PHYSIQE START TO CHANGE,,IT DOESNT TAKE 6 MONTH,,,IT TAKE FEW DAYS,,AND FROM THEN ON CHANGES HAPPEN AND HAPPEN FAST IF ON STEROIDS TOO,,
YOU NEED SEE IT IN THE MIRROR AND EASY ,,,YOU JUST BECOME AS LEAN YET REMAIN THICK AS BEFORE,,FROM BLOOFY POOFY YOU BCOME THICKLY CHARMING,, SUDENLY YOU LOOK MUCH WIDER,,SUDELY YOU LOOK MUST TIGHT IN MIDSECTION ,,SUDENLY YOU LOOK HUGE,,IT COMES FAST IF BODYBUILD WITH FOUNDATION ,,IT COME VERY FAST,,GH DOESNT TKE LONG IT GO IN THE BLOOD AND ON THE SPOT START DOING ITS THING,,
NAIL GROW FAST,,
HUNGRY ALL THE TIME
NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU GET LEANER ,,YES EVEN WHEN HOLD WATER YOU CAN TEL YOU GET LEANER BECAUSE THE LINE THE CUTS THE ABDOMEN IS THERE SO YOU KNOW YOU ARE LOW BF EVEBN BEFROE WATER REDUCED,,
YOU DREAM AND SLEEP GOOD AND VERY MEMORABLE DREAMS
YOU ALWAYS ENERGIZED IN GYM
YOU GET LETHARFIC AND WANT TO SLEEP LIKE AT AGE 16 OUTSIDE GYM
YOU GET SOME CTS DEPEND ON THE PERSON BUT ALWAYS SOME CTS THAT REMAIN,,SUBSIDE AFTER A WHILE BUT ALWAYS TO SOME EXTANT THERE,,
this is what you need to go by,,when you check your igf levels to the product gh15 approve you will se big rize in igf,,but more important when you get on them ,,you will see what real gh is and wil hate the scamers and liars of the cult
gh15 approved
What do you think about my IGF levels being the highest 2 months after stopping GH. This really confusing the shit out of me.
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What do you think about my IGF levels being the highest 2 months after stopping GH. This really confusing the shit out of me.
thats how it is with the thanktropin ,,2 months after stoping gh you develp best,,happen to many ,,dont have a clue why,,prime body with gh and steroid or gh only 2 -3 -4 -5 months ,, then stop gh continnue steroid and look best of your life time after 2-4 months off the gh ,,it happen to every one on thankropin for some reason,,thankropin make you hold slighly more water than serostim and kigtropin hgh,, but it also grow you bigger and more sculpted,,i have no idea why ,,its just hands on for many years,,
the spike fella is good example of why that gh is legit,,he is pretty much top amatuer level and done it on nordic gh,,
the test for igf can be tricky,, it depend on many factors as to when injected,,where,, hwo much glucose you had in you because it go down you need to make sure you body doesnt go into sleepy mod on gh ,,when body go sleepy mod it crashes,,not good for lean people ,,fucks up readings,,many other factors,,
thanktropin shwo results
kigtropin show resuls
serostim show results
seizan show results
ely lilly show results
rest shows somethign ,,sometime ok sometimes good sometime bad,,you cant approve somethign that sometime work,,thats why not on list
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i always tellin gyou fellas that hgh give you window of oportunity to grow,,6 months after intake,,this is good exampel pupils to this fact,,notice his blood levels were 327 upon stopping gh after 2 months with no gh in body,,the gh still left increased igf ,,this is what gh15 mean by 6 months window,,thats why you have the felals who say they only use steroids and never heard of gh,,,they just get off it and use this window that gh gives that shows you in this blood example,,in any case the level of igf should haev been much higher than normal what are your normal? how old are you? did you have any health problem or anything cortizol type medication you were on ?
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Gh15, what website do you recommend that we order from?
You tell us what "food" you recommend but not what store to buy from :(
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It would be easier to check your blood glucose on GH to see if it's actually GH you have.
Now I haven't done this myself since the fuckers I know on GH are too lazy to do it, even when they have a glucose meter. I don't know how the parameters respond exactly over time, and in different subjects. But the research is there so take a look at it and then see how your BG responds to the product.
As far as the IGF-1, I have said time and time again that it doesn't make sense to test it only an hour or so after a single GH injection. It takes up to 24 hours to peak after a single injection. Plus days and perhaps weeks to absolutely peak after starting dosing.
Plus you may have other confounders such as steroid intake or non-intake. Steroids intake increases IGF-1 by itself.
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It would be easier to check your blood glucose on GH to see if it's actually GH you have.
Now I haven't done this myself since the fuckers I know on GH are too lazy to do it, even when they have a glucose meter. I don't know how the parameters respond exactly over time, and in different subjects. But the research is there so take a look at it and then see how your BG responds to the product.
As far as the IGF-1, I have said time and time again that it doesn't make sense to test it only an hour or so after a single GH injection. It takes up to 24 hours to peak after a single injection. Plus days and perhaps weeks to absolutely peak after starting dosing.
Plus you may have other confounders such as steroid intake or non-intake. Steroids intake increases IGF-1 by itself.
see, its stuff like this that makes me happy i post here- every once in a while i'll see a post like this and think 'its nice to see someone here knows whats going on'.
thats a sure tell for me- my glucose. everyone crying about fake GH cause their hands arent tingling or cramping need to read this post.
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see, its stuff like this that makes me happy i post here- every once in a while i'll see a post like this and think 'its nice to see someone here knows whats going on'.
thats a sure tell for me- my glucose. everyone crying about fake GH cause their hands arent tingling or cramping need to read this post.
VanB is definitely one of this board's treasures.
VanB, where do you find this information and how gh effects a BG test? Also, we know the guy on the Rips was on it for 21 days before being tested perhaps Micro can tell us how long he was on the Thanks before he was tested. Also, and IGF test must have so relevance to gh intake. Say a guy like Spike who is on gh consistently only varying the dose. Shouldn't his IGF be very high regardless when he takes a shot prior to testing?
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VanB is definitely one of this board's treasures.
VanB, where do you find this information and how gh effects a BG test? Also, we know the guy on the Rips was on it for 21 days before being tested perhaps Micro can tell us how long he was on the Thanks before he was tested. Also, and IGF test must have so relevance to gh intake. Say a guy like Spike who is on gh consistently only varying the dose. Shouldn't his IGF be very high regardless when he takes a shot prior to testing?
I'll take a look, see if I can find some data on the BG.
Yes IGF-1 should be elevated regardless of when you took your GH dose, assuming you have been on it for a few days at least. That's the whole point with testing for IGF-1 instead of GH itself. GH fluctuates throughout the day while IGF-1 is much more stable.
As you know some drugs could affect IGF-1 negatively, such as Nolvadex. So that should be taken into account before saying your GH is bunk. Diet might affect it too.
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I'll take a look, see if I can find some data on the BG.
Yes IGF-1 should be elevated regardless of when you took your GH dose, assuming you have been on it for a few days at least. That's the whole point with testing for IGF-1 instead of GH itself. GH fluctuates throughout the day while IGF-1 is much more stable.
As you know some drugs could affect IGF-1 negatively, such as Nolvadex. So that should be taken into account before saying your GH is bunk. Diet might affect it too.
I'm sure Micro was on the Thanks longer than a few days before being tested. We know what kind of cycle he was on. Perhaps he can shed some light on other compounds or conditions we was on or had that might effect the testing.
I had no idea the many variables in testing HGH. It just dawned on me that testing IGF levels must not be considered a rock solid evidence on HGH use as they would use that criteria in sports. For example, I believe they don't test for EPO directly but hemocrit level, correct? And if the hemocrit is elevated they fail the test. I wonder why elevated IGF levels, especially if it gets into the 600+ mark, is not consider a reliable test for gh.
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I'm sure Micro was on the Thanks longer than a few days before being tested. We know what kind of cycle he was on. Perhaps he can shed some light on other compounds or conditions we was on or had that might effect the testing.
I had no idea the many variables in testing HGH. It just dawned on me that testing IGF levels must not be considered a rock solid evidence on HGH use as they would use that criteria in sports. For example, I believe they don't test for EPO directly but hemocrit level, correct? And if the hemocrit is elevated they fail the test. I wonder why elevated IGF levels, especially if it gets into the 600+ mark, is not consider a reliable test for gh.
Just speculating but there might be some disease states that cause higher IGF-1, for example. And just individual variability in general.
EPO can be detected directly nowadays. If you're fascinated by EPO testing and performance enhancing drugs in general like me, this interview was VERY interesting :D
http://nyvelocity.com/content/interviews/2009/michael-ashenden
I have trouble finding studies on gh/glucose metabolism in healthy adults. There's so much data to wade through. But it would be interesting if you tested your fasting glucose say for a week and then again once you got on the GH. See if there's a change. Changes in BG depend on dosage too of course. Very low doses can actually increase insulin sensitivity and/or cause no change. I think you said you were going to do 2.5iu which I think is supraphysiological, even for a younger adult.
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No need for testing if your honest with yourself. Too many guys are all placebo and delusion when it comes to their drug effects.
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i always tellin gyou fellas that hgh give you window of oportunity to grow,,6 months after intake,,this is good exampel pupils to this fact,,notice his blood levels were 327 upon stopping gh after 2 months with no gh in body,,the gh still left increased igf ,,this is what gh15 mean by 6 months window,,thats why you have the felals who say they only use steroids and never heard of gh,,,they just get off it and use this window that gh gives that shows you in this blood example,,in any case the level of igf should haev been much higher than normal what are your normal? how old are you? did you have any health problem or anything cortizol type medication you were on ?
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I don't have a base level for IGF, I will in a couple weeks when I get it done again. I'm 42, 41 when gotten the test. No health problems or on any meds
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I don't have a base level for IGF, I will in a couple weeks when I get it done again. I'm 42, 41 when gotten the test. No health problems or on any meds
I wonder if it will make much of a difference. I don't know how IGF works but I'm thinking along the lines of testosterona replacement. Say you take a 250mg shot every week for 4 weeks and you test at 2000 ng/ml. Would it make a difference if your baseline level was 200 or 800 ng/ml? 250mg seems to me will get you to a certain level regardless of what you started out with because once you start taking the shots your own production stops. It's not like the shots will "build" on the 200 or 800 ng/ml. My understanding is that once you start injecting HGH at least at 2iu then your own production stops.
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pay atention to van b postings,,they are very important,,that fella may be the best source get big has,,he should be the main moderator on steroid board with complete over seeing anything to do with hormone information,,
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And i doubt you'll find a doc that gives you prescriptions for 15i.u. HGH on your health insurance, diagnosis: Mutation needed.
I had no problems :)
my insurance started complaining after one month though :(
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I warned you gh15 fans about that chinese junk. stick to proven 191-AA sequence. real HGH does not come cheap. stick to humatrope wich is the #1 best and serostim. both are an assload per kit but you get what you pay for. as for nordic he sold alot of legit mex gear. i know he was into quality vet and then he got into stallion labs. I can vouch for his mex gear and he does have good prompt service but I wouldnt vouch for all his HGH. I wouldnt vouch for anybodys HGH unless they get it from a doctor.legit jintropin kits I will vouch for but most all jintropin I believe is gone. pretty sure they got busted.
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you warn who about what? ,,my pupils onlu use gh approved by gh15 and thanktropin is one of them becsause its legit gh dosed accuratly,,the source nordic is superb and all product coming are legit,, been logn time in the cult and all product LEGIT,, now,, inregard to jintropin is depend on source,,most jintropin are bunk gh now day and even back then many were bunk and fake,, so jintropin is not approved gh by gh15,,
this is not abotu mecxicanos hormones,,this is about gh ,,i have working now with over 4 fellas on thanktroipin everyone of them is leaner ,,bigger ,,wider,, and tighter than any other competitors in gyms ,,they are all npc,,the thanktropin is seond to serostim and kigtropin which are both the best gh you can get form americana and china respectivly,,but again friends the thanktropin for some reason get you wider,, and tighter mainly due to looking fuller on top and buttom more than other gh ,,reason not known ,,in gh15 decidsion its due to litle extra water retention that the thanktropin cause,,
all in all the 5 brand gh15 approve are the only oen to be used and only one who been approved,,that mean tro all the million questrion i get a day ...no i do not approve other gh for now,,not americano and not chinease,,
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and in regarding the sentence you get what you pay for,,not if you knwo who you deal with,,and its important ,,many do not when it come to chian,,nordic does know and has personal contact there that work with for long time for 100s of thousands of dollars,, so no balonie please,, also all the other supplier of gh usually kis ass to nordic and buy from him to sell to you ,,nordic is number one in the gh busniess for many years ,,constistent years,, in addition to this kigtropin cost 170 dollaros and it is as good if not better than serostim,,checked and verified by5 different profesionalo bodybuilders,,
china gh as of now
kigtropin
thanktropin
hyge if legit thsats why not on list because too many fake
jintropin if legit ,,thats why not on list ,,flooded with fake
anyother chinease gh is NOT APPROVE AND TO NOT BE USED BY MY PUPILLS,,
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and also friends,,there come to my ear that some individual talk bad about the great leader of the bodybuld cult nordic ,, a leader who been there for years and done for bodybuild more than all of the individual put together woudnt do,,a leader who most npc is build on product from ,,a leader who initiate legit product and for years in the cult,, a strong and solid leader that is done marvelous things for the cult,,if you have any doubt that nordic is protected by the lions of hell and angels of heven,,you better think again
the proof is in the result friend,, the proof is in the result,,everything is on time with the leader,,thew quality,,the performances ,,the contacts and connection ,, you dont get to be the leader by mistake
nordic is 100% backed up by gh15
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I agree jintropin is counterfeited to often to reccomend! However if you get a authentic kit of jintropin it is very good HGH . as for nordic He has been around for awhile mainly is known for pushing mexican gear like quality vet, pets pharma, TTokyo, animal power but after operation gear grinder he got in with stallion labs. the first round of stallion labs was done by bozos who didnt even know how to crimp a top on the gear vial as the whole fucking top would come off. many pissed off customers. Nordic could of made right on some of those shitty ampules. but none of the stallion labs crew gave a shit. Thats why stallion labs got a shitty rating in the beggining. I personally thought it was a decent product. Nordic is serious about business but even he can get slipped some shitty HGH especially when your flipping that many kits. I think nordic means well and he does know what he is doi ng but there is nothing he can do if he gets a bad batch of kits wich has happened weather you want to belive it or not. My guess is considering the bulk nordic buys he pays like 80$ a kit and doubles his money on each one. if he didnt double his money on each kit he would be a shitty business man and I kn ow he is not that. so he definately gets those kits for around 80-90$. then you gotta figure the chinese connect takes the same cutt about 100% markup and then you got HGH some chinese guy got for 40-50$ a kit. sorry but I wouldnt touch it with a 10ft shitty stick. save your cash and buy something you dont have to worry about being real. I rather see nordic selling humatrope or serostim but there is no way he could get enough of either brand to list that to the BB community if he did it would be fake. only the real big names get the real deal humatrope or serostim. I bet nordic uses diffrent HGH than what he sells. Im not slamming nordic at all i think he is a top notch professional he just cant control what he gets sent. and I know for a fact he does not test any of it. hes in it for the money. Another thing that worries me about nordic is he survived operation gear grinder wich focused exactly on mex gear and also operation raw deal. the guy must have a horseshoe up his ass. Back to HGH You want to buy whats been cleared by the FDA. nothing clandestine or chinese. just my IMO. Honestly you guys would rather use some weird chinese thankyouforyourmoneytrop in or humatrope?
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in over many year thanktropin is offer NOT EVEN one time batch was bad,, people tought batch may be bad because they held to omuch wateer but then week 2-4 they all said ,,forgive us master for we have sinned,,
NORDIC DOES NOT DO MISTAKES,,HIS CONTATCS ARE REAL ,, HE IS NOT BUYING IT FROM CONTATCS HE DOESNT KNOW,,HE HAS THE PEOPEL IN CHINA KISSING HIS ASS FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY HE ROLL THERE,,HE IS NOT OFERING SEROSTIM BECAUSE IT WONT BE PROFITABLE ENOUGH AND NOT BE AFFORDABLE PRICE WIZE ONLY BECAUSE OF FDA PRICE TAG,,HE OFFER WHAT HE HIMSELF RUN ,,HE RUN THE THANKROPIN,, HE USE IT HIMSELF,,SPIKE FELAL FROM THIS BOARIDNG UE NORDIC GH TOO FOR MANY YEAR AND THE BEST PHSYIQE ON THE SITE OR ANYSITE ON INTERNET,M,
DO NOT TRY TO LEAD NORDIC TO SLUTTER BECAUE IT WILL NOT HAPPEN ,,HE JUST OO GOOD OF SOURCE,,QUALITY IS HIS SECOND NAME,,HE IS THE BEST SOURCE IN HISTORY OF BODYBUILDING,,READ THIS AGAIN ,,THE BEST EEVER SOURCE IN HISTORY OF BODYHBULDING,,YOU WILL NEVER FIND ANY BETTER SOURCE IN HISTORY THAT CAME OUTR WITH LEGIT PRODUCTS SO MANY TIMES REPETDELY WHEN AT MANY TIME HE DIDNT HAVE CONTROL ON THE AMERICANO FELLAS WHO RAN THE AMERICANO PWDER HE ORDERED TO SEND THEM AND THEY FUCKED UP WITH IT,,
HE IS THE LEADER OF THE BODYBUILD WORLD ,,THERE IS NO OTHER ,,HE IS THE ONE,, IT TAKE MANY MANY HAPPY CLIENT TO BE LEADER OF ANYTHING
you an be sure if gh15 approve thanropin you hav there LEGIT 100% GH,,not 99% but 100% PHARMA LEVEL WITH OTU THE FDA APPROVE WHICH MAKE THE TAG PRIZE CHEAPER,,no nordic hgh = alot less bodybuilder as of 2011
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and be sure about ,,, if nordic give you word,,the word is gold,,gold,,if he say you have somethign by tomorow 11 am ,,at 10 55 you wil have it at your hand,,
EVRRY ONE KNOW IT ,,EVERY ONE KNOE IT,,
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I warned you gh15 fans about that chinese junk. stick to proven 191-AA sequence. real HGH does not come cheap. stick to humatrope wich is the #1 best and serostim. both are an assload per kit but you get what you pay for. as for nordic he sold alot of legit mex gear. i know he was into quality vet and then he got into stallion labs. I can vouch for his mex gear and he does have good prompt service but I wouldnt vouch for all his HGH. I wouldnt vouch for anybodys HGH unless they get it from a doctor.legit jintropin kits I will vouch for but most all jintropin I believe is gone. pretty sure they got busted.
what you dont know is the people making thanktropin and some nd blues are the former chemists that worked at genesci making jinos but the DEA went ovr before the olympics and put a huge dent in powder sources and mainstream gh manufacturs in china --- when genesci got heat from DEA where do you think some of the scientists went that were making jinos
as with any drug when one goes out thats in high demand, another steps up to take its place
nordic never got involed with stallion and stallion is still around - nordic had connects in asia NOT europe for legit HG gear - his UG lab isnt even goin anymore
ttokyo?? jesus that shit was done and gone 6yrs ago ORD put mexico DOWN --- he might of helped the stallion guys source but he never sold it himself - buying gh in bulk?? where would he store that much gh, you dont know what your talking about and that is not how business works with him...your're speaking about some fck in NYC that buys 10kits at a time and keeps them under his moms couch and sells him while he's playin xbox........if you know how THE GREAT1 works, its all direct connect......i say no more
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what you dont know is the people making thanktropin and some nd blues are the former chemists that worked at genesci making jinos but the DEA went ovr before the olympics and put a huge dent in powder sources and mainstream gh manufacturs in china --- when genesci got heat from DEA where do you think some of the scientists went that were making jinos
as with any drug when one goes out thats in high demand, another steps up to take its place
nordic never got involed with stallion and stallion is still around - nordic had connects in asia NOT europe for legit HG gear - his UG lab isnt even goin anymore
ttokyo?? jesus that shit was done and gone 6yrs ago ORD put mexico DOWN --- he might of helped the stallion guys source but he never sold it himself - buying gh in bulk?? where would he store that much gh, you dont know what your talking about and that is not how business works with him...your're speaking about some fck in NYC that buys 10kits at a time and keeps them under his moms couch and sells him while he's playin xbox........if you know how THE GREAT1 works, its all direct connect......i say no more
This whitewidow guy just keeps getting owned and owned. Trying to become a player taking on the god of hormona and now the god of sourceona. fella is just inover his head. All 175 lbs of him. lol
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and also friends,,there come to my ear that some individual talk bad about the great leader of the bodybuld cult nordic ,, a leader who been there for years and done for bodybuild more than all of the individual put together woudnt do,,a leader who most npc is build on product from ,,a leader who initiate legit product and for years in the cult,, a strong and solid leader that is done marvelous things for the cult,,if you have any doubt that nordic is protected by the lions of hell and angels of heven,,you better think again
the proof is in the result friend,, the proof is in the result,,everything is on time with the leader,,thew quality,,the performances ,,the contacts and connection ,, you dont get to be the leader by mistake
nordic is 100% backed up by gh15
gh15 approved
Anyone who goes on OLM knows Mutant. He's the gh guru there. been on the board sincethe beggining and the one everbdy goes to for peptide advice. Practically has mod status there. big fan of the rips and always pushing them. thats fine. But now he start bagging on the red tops. red tops have no or very weak vaccum seal and says junk. nordic doesnt get on baord to fight he post on his site about the use of nitrogen and explain different ways to preserv quality. not jsut vacum seal. long time vet doesnt let up on god of sourceona. when I go back on OLM after a month I find much to my surprise no more mutant. never thought it would happen to him as he is looked on as mod. but this time he mess with wrong guy.
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pay atention to van b postings,,they are very important,,that fella may be the best source get big has,,he should be the main moderator on steroid board with complete over seeing anything to do with hormone information,,
gh15 approved
agreed.
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Just speculating but there might be some disease states that cause higher IGF-1, for example. And just individual variability in general.
What if it some some kind of cheaper, easier to make peptide that was substituted for HGH. One that would affect IGF levels.
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So VanB, how does HGH effect blood glucose levels?
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Anyone who goes on OLM knows Mutant. He's the gh guru there. been on the board sincethe beggining and the one everbdy goes to for peptide advice. Practically has mod status there. big fan of the rips and always pushing them. thats fine. But now he start bagging on the red tops. red tops have no or very weak vaccum seal and says junk. nordic doesnt get on baord to fight he post on his site about the use of nitrogen and explain different ways to preserv quality. not jsut vacum seal. long time vet doesnt let up on god of sourceona. when I go back on OLM after a month I find much to my surprise no more mutant. never thought it would happen to him as he is looked on as mod. but this time he mess with wrong guy.
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I remember Nordic use to post of Lewellyn's board. Not often but every now and then. For some reason William's board attracts a lot of Europeans. Anyway Division picks a fight with Nordic and Sandra. They go back and forth. First time I see Nordic getting infuriated. Probably frustrated because he got involved with some low life way beneath him. Finally, Nordic doesn't want to waste his time and leaves board. Couple weeks later gh15 comes out of retirement asking for info on Division. Division who never seems to leave the computer and lived on the boards and laughs at gh15 threats. Division suddenly disappears.
PIP Division
nordicsport
Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 136
my opinion
DIVISION NEEDS TO BE BANNED FROM THIS BOARD BECAUSE HE IS NOT JUST ONLY A SECURITY THREAT TO THE COMMUNITY POSTING SHIPPINGINFO ,HE ALSO CALLED OUT SOURCES FOR SELLING FAKES WHICH THEY NEVER DID(I THOUGHT MENTIONING SOURCES NAME ON BOS WAS A BANNING REASON???)
THIS BOARD IS GETTING A BAD REPUTATION NOW ON OTHER BOARDS HAVING HIM HERE POSTING ALL KIND OF PISS!
THOSE OF U AGREE FEEL FREE TO POST BELOW
nordic
owner of sm
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for your own safety do NOT talk or give out any info to DIVISION!
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I had no problems :)
my insurance started complaining after one month though :(
LMAO no shit !! ;D
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what you dont know is the people making thanktropin and some nd blues are the former chemists that worked at genesci making jinos but the DEA went ovr before the olympics and put a huge dent in powder sources and mainstream gh manufacturs in china --- when genesci got heat from DEA where do you think some of the scientists went that were making jinos
as with any drug when one goes out thats in high demand, another steps up to take its place
nordic never got involed with stallion and stallion is still around - nordic had connects in asia NOT europe for legit HG gear - his UG lab isnt even goin anymore
ttokyo?? jesus that shit was done and gone 6yrs ago ORD put mexico DOWN --- he might of helped the stallion guys source but he never sold it himself - buying gh in bulk?? where would he store that much gh, you dont know what your talking about and that is not how business works with him...your're speaking about some fck in NYC that buys 10kits at a time and keeps them under his moms couch and sells him while he's playin xbox........if you know how THE GREAT1 works, its all direct connect......i say no more
Thats pure bullshit Nordic 100% sold stallion labs gear! he also sold a bunch of fake xanax. Im not slamming nordic all. I think he is a good biz man. But to deny he had a role in stallion labs or say he never sourced stallion labs is 100% bullshit. You guys buy whatever HGH you want I dont care im just saying I would spend my money on humatrope or serostim. I think there is at least one guy who blows nordic away in product quality and service. Nordic is def a legend im not denying that.
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This whitewidow guy just keeps getting owned and owned. Trying to become a player taking on the god of hormona and now the god of sourceona. fella is just inover his head. All 175 lbs of him. lol
How am I getting owned. these bozos are denying he was ever involved or sourced stallion labs? thats BS ! He knew wher there account was set up and sold tons of stallion labs products. I know for a fact If your buying that much HGH some batches will be inconsistent. The main source in this owrld would never sell those kits. He will sell just straight human grade and if he sells you HGH its humatrope and you pay a hefty price. Nordic #1 source- No way! one of the legends in the game I would give him that.
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Thats pure bullshit Nordic 100% sold stallion labs gear! he also sold a bunch of fake xanax. Im not slamming nordic all. I think he is a good biz man. But to deny he had a role in stallion labs or say he never sourced stallion labs is 100% bullshit. You guys buy whatever HGH you want I dont care im just saying I would spend my money on humatrope or serostim. I think there is at least one guy who blows nordic away in product quality and service. Nordic is def a legend im not denying that.
which fake xanax the 2mg ones from russia that were pink? those werent fake bro...I can assure you...and Im prescribed xans now
back on SM we had alot of people source there -- more so one time than OLM -- nordic would let people advertise and what not
now there was a dude on there selling fake valium and then the whole codene thing came and DEA started lurking so we shut it down
right before ORD nordic might of had some biz with stallion but I was working with someone else.......I dont do alot of AAS with his crew
these are the labs that went down after ORD and some got grouped together:
1) AP
2) API
3) AML
4) Anabolic Superstore
5) Atlas
6) Bigfoot
7) Bodiez By Design
8) BTLabs
9) Canuck4
10) Chemco
11) Couture
12) Domestic Tabs (AKA Pharm RXL)
13) Dynamic Enhancement Pharmaceuticals (AKA Depdaddy)
14) Fitness Pharm
15) Fuzion
16) GA Labs
17) ______________
18) Gavin Kane
19) Gen-Pharma
20) Genera Pharms
21) Genescience
22) Golden Triangle
23) Gym Ace
24) Huma Labs
25) ____________
26) Joe Gold
27) Juggernaught
28) JPT
29) Leo
30) Lemelange
31) Live Stronger
32) Mamta
33) Maverick
34) Max Chemlabs
35) Muscle Tech Labs
36) Niko
37) ____________
38) Nutri Vet
39) OGL
40) Osoca
41) PBL Labs
42) Pitbull
43) Phalco Labs
44) Pharm RXL (AKA Domestic Tabs)
45) Phoenix Pharm (AKA Vision)
46) Powerline
47) Promethus
48) Pro Peptides
49) Pro Pharm
50) Researchlabsupply.com
51) RLS
52) Rugio
53) QGL
54) Samar Labs
55) Savannah
56) SIUG
57) Snippersdad
58) Southern Labs
59) Spyder
60) SRSC
61) Stallion Labs
62) Steroid Super Board
63) Superior Labs
64) Swisher
65) Teragon Labs
66) Texstar Labs
67) Titan Supply
68) The Professor
69) Thorus
70) Tweak
71) UGIO
72) Universal Kits
73) US Pharma
74) USP Pharma
75) Vanquish
76) Vision (AKA Phoenix Pharm)
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which fake xanax the 2mg ones from russia that were pink? those werent fake bro...I can assure you...and Im prescribed xans now
back on SM we had alot of people source there -- more so one time than OLM -- nordic would let people advertise and what not
now there was a dude on there selling fake valium and then the whole codene thing came and DEA started lurking so we shut it down
right before ORD nordic might of had some biz with stallion but I was working with someone else.......I dont do alot of AAS with his crew
these are the labs that went down after ORD and some got grouped together:
1) AP
2) API
3) AML
4) Anabolic Superstore
5) Atlas
6) Bigfoot
7) Bodiez By Design
8) BTLabs
9) Canuck4
10) Chemco
11) Couture
12) Domestic Tabs (AKA Pharm RXL)
13) Dynamic Enhancement Pharmaceuticals (AKA Depdaddy)
14) Fitness Pharm
15) Fuzion
16) GA Labs
17) ______________
18) Gavin Kane
19) Gen-Pharma
20) Genera Pharms
21) Genescience
22) Golden Triangle
23) Gym Ace
24) Huma Labs
25) ____________
26) Joe Gold
27) Juggernaught
28) JPT
29) Leo
30) Lemelange
31) Live Stronger
32) Mamta
33) Maverick
34) Max Chemlabs
35) Muscle Tech Labs
36) Niko
37) ____________
38) Nutri Vet
39) OGL
40) Osoca
41) PBL Labs
42) Pitbull
43) Phalco Labs
44) Pharm RXL (AKA Domestic Tabs)
45) Phoenix Pharm (AKA Vision)
46) Powerline
47) Promethus
48) Pro Peptides
49) Pro Pharm
50) Researchlabsupply.com
51) RLS
52) Rugio
53) QGL
54) Samar Labs
55) Savannah
56) SIUG
57) Snippersdad
58) Southern Labs
59) Spyder
60) SRSC
61) Stallion Labs
62) Steroid Super Board
63) Superior Labs
64) Swisher
65) Teragon Labs
66) Texstar Labs
67) Titan Supply
68) The Professor
69) Thorus
70) Tweak
71) UGIO
72) Universal Kits
73) US Pharma
74) USP Pharma
75) Vanquish
76) Vision (AKA Phoenix Pharm)
He sold stallion labs and the bunk xanax back in 2007. the xanax was actually blue with no imprint at all.I only ordered them once of course so maybe he had some diffrent ones a diffrent year,month ect. I legally get 180 sandoz 1mg xanax tabs so i know what to expect from real xanax(alprazolam). If you take as many as I did your ass would be on the floor nordics was fake. If I took 10 of my 1mg sandoz tabs id be on the floor drooling on myself.
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He sold stallion labs and the bunk xanax back in 2007. the xanax was actually blue with no imprint at all.I only ordered them once of course so maybe he had some diffrent ones a diffrent year,month ect. I legally get 180 sandoz 1mg xanax tabs so i know what to expect from real xanax(alprazolam). If you take as many as I did your ass would be on the floor nordics was fake. If I took 10 of my 1mg sandoz tabs id be on the floor drooling on myself.
all i can tell you is one thing ,,and its imporent to understand,, the gh that is talked about ,,thanktropin ,,is the second best gh comeing out of china if nto the best,,defnitrly top 2 ,,it GROW YOU LEAN,,IT GROWWWWWW YOUUUUU LEAAAAAN,,the thank have tendecy to make you look liek you have delts out of this world,,they lean you out and fill you up very well,,water retention on them is little more than kigtroipin ,,but that water go away like with any legit gh afvter some time,,the thing is my friend,,you get lean and large,,you can see it daily baasis
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china gh as of now
kigtropin
thanktropin
hyge if legit thsats why not on list because too many fake
jintropin if legit ,,thats why not on list ,,flooded with fake
anyother chinease gh is NOT APPROVE AND TO NOT BE USED BY MY PUPILLS,,
gh15 approved
someone say hyge?
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someone say hyge?
Awesome pin wheel tops and hygetropin.com.cn website with no anti-counterfeiting sticker.
(http://www.hygetropin-international.com/images/hygetropin-pic3.jpg)
(http://www.hygetropin-international.com/images/hygetropin-pic4.jpg)
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Awesome pin wheel tops and hygetropin.com.cn website with no anti-counterfeiting sticker.
(http://www.hygetropin-international.com/images/hygetropin-pic3.jpg)
(http://www.hygetropin-international.com/images/hygetropin-pic4.jpg)
the new ones have the scratch off anti counterfeiting code: same box as the first two pictured. you get i believe two chances to verify the code on their website. after that it locks the code down.
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This subject of Hyges came up on Lewellyn's BodyOfScience board. The counterfeit is the Pinwheel tops. Note the website. Why .com.cn? The real website is www.hygetropin.cn
No need to add the additional .com for a Chinese domain. And yes, the pin wheel tops also have their own anti-counterfeit sticker. The real ones only give you one chance.
Hygetropin Anti Fake Sticker
REAL HYGETROPIN must have anti-counterfeiting sticker on the box. The lower part of the label contains a code which must be concealed by a silver layer when you receive the kit. No one but you can see that code. In order to see the code you need to use a coin to scratch off the silver part of the sticker to reveal a 16 digits code.
You can then go to www.hygetropin.cn/search.htm to check if that kit is authentic. Each code can only be checked once. If your Hygetropin is real you will see a message that your kit is authentic.
How does the system works?
- The 16 digits number is unique. You cannot just use any number you want. If you use a number of a kit that doesn't exist, site will tell you there is no such number meaning it's a fake kit.
- A real anti-counterfeiting code can only be inquired once. You cannot check the same code twice. If you try to check the same number again, the system will tell you this number has already been checked. Which means, someone (or maybe you) already checked that number. So if someone sells you a kit and the number shows on the site as already been checked and you are absolutely sure you never ever inquired about the kit, than that could be a fake kit.
- Unfortunately we know of fakes so good they look identical to our original Hygetropin. They even have a so called anti-counterfeiting sticker. But since only Hygetropin.cn has the codes of real Hygetropin, they had to write their own site on the sticker. It's very easy to avoid being misled. You must make sure the special sticker on your kit has the website www.hygetropin.cn listed there. If the site is anything at all other than that exact address it is fake. The sticker must have www.hygetropin.cn printed on it. No other website!
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BTW, note that I said the Pin Wheel tops were counterfeit Hyges -- not fakes. Ronnie on the BOS had the product tested and it did test out as real HGH. It's just not genuine Hygetropin.
The real ones have the 8iu on the tops.
Edit: They also make 10iu vials but it's just not as common on the black market.
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You guys really think Jay cuttler or dexter jackson use chinese HGH? NO fucking way! chinese HGH is for the up and coming amateurs with no money.
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You guys really think Jay cuttler or dexter jackson use chinese HGH? NO fucking way! chinese HGH is for the up and coming amateurs with no money.
What a deep insight. Thanks for sharing. Who knew?
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What a deep insight. Thanks for sharing. Who knew?
Just the other day in the car I was thinking "I bet all the pros use crappy chinese knock off hgh exclusively" Not only was I wrong, whitewidow could litterally READ MY FUCKING MIND.
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Just the other day in the car I was thinking "I bet all the pros use crappy chinese knock off hgh exclusively" Not only was I wrong, whitewidow could litterally READ MY FUCKING MIND.
:o
Wow, next thing is he will say they also don't use fake underdosed UG lab steroids exclusively... :o :o :o :o
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no one
Getbig V
Posts: 4536
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Re: Lab test measuring IGF for Riptropins and Thanktropin (Red Tops)
« Reply #67 on: Today at 09:24:36 PM » Quote
some pin wheel tops come with the hygetropin 16 digit foil/ scratch anti fake sticker. they are not counterfeit.
your information is erroneous.
Why did you delete your post? Check the websites. There's a difference between the .com.cn and the .cn
Why use .com.cn? If website is in China you just need to put .cn
It is pretty well known that the pin wheels are counterfeit. Ask around.
From whois: Note the date your brand started. 2008. Hyges have been around for longer than that. About 3 years longer. But whatever, if you're happy then fine. It did test out as HGH.
Domain : Hygetropin.cn
Created: 2006-04-24
Domain: Hygene.cn
Created: 2005-09-15
Domain Name: hygetropin.com.cn
ROID: 20081118s10011s04940057-cn
Registrant Organization: Master boon co ltd
Registrant Name: Hygetropin Hygetropin
Administrative Email: rhghman@gmail.com
Name Server:ns33.domaincontrol.com
Registration Date: 2008-11-18 18:13
Expiration Date: 2013-11-18 18:13
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BTW, note that I said the Pin Wheel tops were counterfeit Hyges -- not fakes. Ronnie on the BOS had the product tested and it did test out as real HGH. It's just not genuine Hygetropin.
The real ones have the 8iu on the tops.
Edit: They also make 10iu vials but it's just not as common on the black market.
which hyge site is the real site? the .con.cn site it says this:
On behalf of Hygene Biopharm, we have the right to make some comments on the current market as the original owner of Hygetropin. As we know, whatever www.hygetropin.cn or www.hygetropinpro.com, their products all contains somatropin. The point is the purity and quality of Hygetropin, not exist fake or genuine.
you have one site saying one thing, and another saying another. how does anyone at llewellyns site know which one is real? all they said was that the hygetropin.com.cn site was fake, and that the .cn site was legit. how do they know? who's to say they are right?
i want proof either way, not someone on a bbing board- i dont care if its leweyllens or not- saying the .com.cn site is counterfeit. too much broscience here for me.
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Getbig V
Posts: 4536
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Re: Lab test measuring IGF for Riptropins and Thanktropin (Red Tops)
« Reply #67 on: Today at 09:24:36 PM » Quote
some pin wheel tops come with the hygetropin 16 digit foil/ scratch anti fake sticker. they are not counterfeit.
your information is erroneous.
Why did you delete your post? Check the websites. There's a difference between the .com.cn and the .cn
Why use .com.cn? If website is in China you just need to put .cn
It is pretty well known that the pin wheels are counterfeit. Ask around.
From whois: Note the date your brand started. 2008. Hyges have been around for longer than that. About 3 years longer. But whatever, if you're happy then fine. It did test out as HGH.
Domain : Hygetropin.cn
Created: 2006-04-24
Domain: Hygene.cn
Created: 2005-09-15
Domain Name: hygetropin.com.cn
ROID: 20081118s10011s04940057-cn
Registrant Organization: Master boon co ltd
Registrant Name: Hygetropin Hygetropin
Administrative Email: rhghman@gmail.com
Name Server:ns33.domaincontrol.com
Registration Date: 2008-11-18 18:13
Expiration Date: 2013-11-18 18:13
i deleted the post because i wanted to make sure i was right before i accused you of being worng. im not here to slander anyone. when i know im right i'll say so, but not so much of an asshole to accuse others of not knowing what they are talking about.
thank you for the above post and doing that digging. it answers my question to you in the above post clearly.
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goddamn this is really depressing!
i was happier than a pig in shit when i made this contact- i thought 'finally a 100% legit source for chinese GH'
fucking gay. i dont care if it tested out as real or not. thats not the point, you know? lol ah well.
:)
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goddamn this is really depressing!
i was happier than a pig in shit when i made this contact- i thought 'finally a 100% legit source for GH'
fucking gay. i dont care if it tested out as real or not. thats not the point, you know? lol ah well.
:)
This won't cheer you up, but I would kill a fucking hobo or donate an organ for a boatload of legit HGH that was "counterfit" but fully dosed. Man 6 months of mutation, who knows what would fucking happen? :o
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This won't cheer you up, but I would kill a fucking hobo or donate an organ for a boatload of legit HGH that was "counterfit" but fully dosed. Man 6 months of mutation, who knows what would fucking happen? :o
nah, thats not why im my friend is disappointed- i my friend has a good source for american nutropin. im hes disappointed cause what i he pays for 150iu of the nups, i he could have gotten 400 iu of what i he thought was legit hyges (which are hard to find).
:D
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goddamn this is really depressing!
i was happier than a pig in shit when i made this contact- i thought 'finally a 100% legit source for chinese GH'
fucking gay. i dont care if it tested out as real or not. thats not the point, you know? lol ah well.
:)
Here's some chatter that went on a BOS regarding Hygetropin by RonnyT. I do remember reading that they did test the pin wheel tops and it tested out good. But like him, I don't like the fact that they took the Hygetropin name. As I understand it, all these guys at one time worked together. I think it was with the company that produced Jins. Then they broke off on their own. Similar to what I've read about Axio, GenXXL and Sciroxx. I think the ones who make the pin wheels also made Kefeis. It seems the a person name Dr. Lin is the main man and responsible for the Jins when it was good and then left to produce Hygetropin. I'll try to find the post where RonnyT comes back with the test for the pin wheels and that it came out good. They just should have used a different name. I think at one time they were called Hygene. They should have just stuck with that.
Originally Posted by RonnyT
I have contact with the owner of Hygetropin that also holds the license. These Hygetropins (with the wheels on top and without securitysticker) are not real. Confusing enough, some do contain real 191 aa rhGH and can be considdered as counterfeits. We will analyse both to find out the truth.
If you bought from a trustable source you can use them. The side effects will tell you if they contain real growth hormone.
Originally Posted by RonnyT
Few guys from the company try to convince our members to buy.
We did anlyse Mr Lin's rhGH (security etc) twice and it came out pure.
WE BOUGHT THE SAMPLES ON THE BLACK MARKET in Holland, which means LinDianhai was not in the position to offer us good gear he bought, but it was the product every costumer could have obtained.
Which doesn't mean BioHygene sells crap.
We bought some samples on the black market to analyse, but the company (BioHygene) mailed us the samples where counterfeited and even the chinese characters where not all okay.
We will analyse if we are able to buy samples on the black market for the new book. BioHygene also invited us to visit the plant.
We have some very good and reliable contacts in China and they told us many different brands are made by one manufacturer.
Blue tops used to be 10 iu but most of them today are just 4 iu.
You can't trust the colours of the tops.
Nor the package or the even the securityseals (Kefei offers them too)
THE FACT IS HYGETROPIN IS THE BRAINCHILD OF MR LIN WHO ALSO MARKETED AND HELP CREATE JINTROPIN WHICH WAS A HUGE SUCCES IN THE BODYBUILDING COMMUNITY. EVERY CHINESE COMPANY SAW HOW MUCH MONEY WAS CONFISCATED FROM THE ACCOUNTS OF GENESCIENCE/DR JIN.
THAT IS HOW MUCH MONEY CAN BE EARNED ON BODYBUILDING - ANTI-AGING - LIFE-EXTENSION etc.
THUS EVERY CHINESE COMPANY NOW WANTS A SLICE OF THE CAKE.
WE DON"T MIND...but..WE DON'T LIKE TO BE SCAMMED!!
Gisnb I read your posts on the life extension forum (LEF) David Garcia is also mentioned in this (attached) indictment just like GeneScience.
That´s right. Zhongshan Hygene can not officially say that they produce hygetropin. But the production process at Zhongsan Hygene is regulated under GMP standards. Hygene produce the rHGH with Hygetropin Label also in the Zhongshan factory. The only difference to the rHGH they produce for the chinese market is, that they put other labels, Hygetropin labels, on the vials.
China is no longer a thirdworld country. They strongly monitor the rhGH production. Do you think after all the troubles BioHygene had in the past they still have the nerve to produce Hygetropin in their own place. Where do you think Kefei (without GMP) but now with securityseal etc etc, produces his Hygetropin. And guess who produces the IGF that BioHygene sells ..could that be..?? Wake up bro's !! Lin made Jintropin a strong, cheap and reliable brand, after that he did the same with Hygetropin. After counterfeiting he protected both brands with security seals new tops etc. Now a few guys want to enter the market with Hightropin -Getropin-Hygene (do you're googling) but it didn't work. Now they hyjack Hygene's brandname and you guys reward them. When IP did the same with Karachi etc, everyone was angry. If they have such good products..let them prove it by marketing their own brand and make it succesfull. Counterfeiting an existing brand is NEVER the right way. It also shows they have no respect for the end-user.
An other aspect, they said our sample was not made by them, but my Chinese source claims different. Perhaps they are just afraid the quality is to low.I'll ask our sources and the SDFA to look into it.
You are correct, only we haven't analysed BioHygenes product. I can't reveil everything here and don't feel the need to, but I have serious doubts. Bill wants us to be able to prove what we state here. '
I mailed a lot with William, he even invited us to visit. Then I became some information and I forwarded it to William (BioHygene) but he doesn't mail me back. Then it is normal for me to believe there is some truth in it. You all know me, once I want to know, I don't rest untill I know.
I didn't say Hygetropin from BioHygene or Kefei is not good, because I dunno (yet). What bothers me is the fact that they decided to bring there own versions of Hygetropin, counterfeiting.
Not long ago everything was quite easy and everybody knew where Hygetropin came from and we analysed and posted the results. They (BioHygene) should have sticked to the brandnames they used before like Hygene or Getropin or Hightropin .
What brings me to the question: who has samples of those brands for me???
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i agree with m1santh3ops post 100%.
from what i understand, both companies are selling a legit pharma grade GH, but there seems to be somewhat of a smear campaign going on between the 2. there is a 3 hyge lab that is completely fake, .com.cn and cn are the only two real ones.
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Nordic, someone PM me and let me know how to get his stuff! I want something that's proven to be legit. Got the Rips right now and got some Elitetropins on the way but it'd be nice to have that peace of mind knowing hard earned dollar is being spent well.
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Nordic, someone PM me and let me know how to get his stuff! I want something that's proven to be legit. Got the Rips right now and got some Elitetropins on the way but it'd be nice to have that peace of mind knowing hard earned dollar is being spent well.
Rest assure if you got the rips for a good PROVIDER you have legit rips and you will be fine, bro!
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Rest assure if you got the rips for a good PROVIDER you have legit rips and you will be fine, bro!
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Rest assure if you got the rips for a good PROVIDER you have legit rips and you will be fine, bro!
My provider just got cut off from the rips that's why I'm getting this lesser known Elitetropin. Plus I know I'm being charged a lot since its down from one person to the other, and other...All my money is going to gh these days lol
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My provider just got cut off from the rips that's why I'm getting this lesser known Elitetropin. Plus I know I'm being charged a lot since its down from one person to the other, and other...All my money is going to gh these days lol
On IGF tests Elitetropins come out very good, often better than Riptropins. You are in good hands with Elis! They don't have the nice label so if yu want to sell them to your local gym rat, Rips are the better way to go. lol
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I forgot about this post and just stumbled on it.
When my igf levels were higher after I stopped, I was on cycle but can't remember exactly what I was on. I did take about 6 months off of gh after that and my levels dropped down around the mid 200's.
I'm on rips right now, been on for a few months. Along with prop/tren/mast/var my body fat dropped down pretty good without no diet. I was actually around 6 to 8lbs heavier and looked about the same when I was on the same cycle minus the var while taking Thanks.
The main differences for me that I see between the Thanks and Rips are I get no sides from the rips like puffy hands, sore joints when I increase the dosage to fast. But I can't believe how tired I feel being on the rips. I just mentioned to my girl today, I can't believe almost every time I lay down I fall asleep.
I'm not holding all that much water that you keep hearing people say when they are taking them. From what I see, people that are holding a ton of water are getting their rips from the source. These guys are can't believe how much water they are holding. I don't get my rips from that source. The rips that mostly everyone is complaining about with the water weight is the source that GH15 mentioned that was giving free kits out.
I'm also sure the tren/mast/var/prop also helped me lose some BF. I'm coming off all that gear accept for test pretty soon, but will continue to run the rips. We'll see what happens after that.
I know people say IGF test don't mean anything. But I just wanted to mention, that on 5 to 6ius of thanks I got my levels test and I was on for a months and the best readings I got was in the low 300's.
I was on Rips at 3ius for only 2 weeks and need to get my blood work done anyway and it contains IGF testing and my levels came back in the low 300's on 3ius of Rips.
I also got my blood test done a few days ago, waiting for results. About the last 1.5 months out of the 3 I've been on rips have been 6ius at least 5 days a week. I kind of screwed up with taking my gh around my blood work. I didn't take any gh on Sat or Sun, took 6ius on Monday and Tuesday that day of the test I forgot to take my gh on my way out the door. I didn't feel like turning around so I just said screw it. Well see what happens.
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I ran the rips at 5iu and nothing ever came close in bloating me as rips. I got that moon face, and was sluggish and tired all the time. Felt like crap.
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I ran the rips at 5iu and nothing ever came close in bloating me as rips. I got that moon face, and was sluggish and tired all the time. Felt like crap.
Iv started pfizer genotropin pen today at 7.2iu, yeah it's 36iu divided into 5shots, il let u know what happens