Lab test measuring IGF for Riptropins and Thanktropin (Red Tops)

[Van_Bilderass]

It would be easier to check your blood glucose on GH to see if it's actually GH you have.

Now I haven't done this myself since the fuckers I know on GH are too lazy to do it, even when they have a glucose meter. I don't know how the parameters respond exactly over time, and in different subjects. But the research is there so take a look at it and then see how your BG responds to the product.

As far as the IGF-1, I have said time and time again that it doesn't make sense to test it only an hour or so after a single GH injection. It takes up to 24 hours to peak after a single injection. Plus days and perhaps weeks to absolutely peak after starting dosing.

Plus you may have other confounders such as steroid intake or non-intake. Steroids intake increases IGF-1 by itself.

[no one]

It would be easier to check your blood glucose on GH to see if it's actually GH you have.

Now I haven't done this myself since the fuckers I know on GH are too lazy to do it, even when they have a glucose meter. I don't know how the parameters respond exactly over time, and in different subjects. But the research is there so take a look at it and then see how your BG responds to the product.

As far as the IGF-1, I have said time and time again that it doesn't make sense to test it only an hour or so after a single GH injection. It takes up to 24 hours to peak after a single injection. Plus days and perhaps weeks to absolutely peak after starting dosing.

Plus you may have other confounders such as steroid intake or non-intake. Steroids intake increases IGF-1 by itself.

see, its stuff like this that makes me happy i post here- every once in a while i'll see a post like this and think 'its nice to see someone here knows whats going on'.

thats a sure tell for me- my glucose. everyone crying about fake GH cause their hands arent tingling or cramping need to read this post.

[pellius]

see, its stuff like this that makes me happy i post here- every once in a while i'll see a post like this and think 'its nice to see someone here knows whats going on'.

thats a sure tell for me- my glucose. everyone crying about fake GH cause their hands arent tingling or cramping need to read this post.

VanB is definitely one of this board's treasures.

VanB, where do you find this information and how gh effects a BG test? Also, we know the guy on the Rips was on it for 21 days before being tested perhaps Micro can tell us how long he was on the Thanks before he was tested. Also, and IGF test must have so relevance to gh intake. Say a guy like Spike who is on gh consistently only varying the dose. Shouldn't his IGF be very high regardless when he takes a shot prior to testing?

[Van_Bilderass]

VanB is definitely one of this board's treasures.

VanB, where do you find this information and how gh effects a BG test? Also, we know the guy on the Rips was on it for 21 days before being tested perhaps Micro can tell us how long he was on the Thanks before he was tested. Also, and IGF test must have so relevance to gh intake. Say a guy like Spike who is on gh consistently only varying the dose. Shouldn't his IGF be very high regardless when he takes a shot prior to testing?

I'll take a look, see if I can find some data on the BG.

Yes IGF-1 should be elevated regardless of when you took your GH dose, assuming you have been on it for a few days at least. That's the whole point with testing for IGF-1 instead of GH itself. GH fluctuates throughout the day while IGF-1 is much more stable.

As you know some drugs could affect IGF-1 negatively, such as Nolvadex. So that should be taken into account before saying your GH is bunk. Diet might affect it too.

[pellius]

I'll take a look, see if I can find some data on the BG.

Yes IGF-1 should be elevated regardless of when you took your GH dose, assuming you have been on it for a few days at least. That's the whole point with testing for IGF-1 instead of GH itself. GH fluctuates throughout the day while IGF-1 is much more stable.

As you know some drugs could affect IGF-1 negatively, such as Nolvadex. So that should be taken into account before saying your GH is bunk. Diet might affect it too.

I'm sure Micro was on the Thanks longer than a few days before being tested. We know what kind of cycle he was on. Perhaps he can shed some light on other compounds or conditions we was on or had that might effect the testing.

I had no idea the many variables in testing HGH. It just dawned on me that testing IGF levels must not be considered a rock solid evidence on HGH use as they would use that criteria in sports. For example, I believe they don't test for EPO directly but hemocrit level, correct? And if the hemocrit is elevated they fail the test. I wonder why elevated IGF levels, especially if it gets into the 600+ mark, is not consider a reliable test for gh.

[Van_Bilderass]

I'm sure Micro was on the Thanks longer than a few days before being tested. We know what kind of cycle he was on. Perhaps he can shed some light on other compounds or conditions we was on or had that might effect the testing.

I had no idea the many variables in testing HGH. It just dawned on me that testing IGF levels must not be considered a rock solid evidence on HGH use as they would use that criteria in sports. For example, I believe they don't test for EPO directly but hemocrit level, correct? And if the hemocrit is elevated they fail the test. I wonder why elevated IGF levels, especially if it gets into the 600+ mark, is not consider a reliable test for gh.

Just speculating but there might be some disease states that cause higher IGF-1, for example. And just individual variability in general.

EPO can be detected directly nowadays. If you're fascinated by EPO testing and performance enhancing drugs in general like me, this interview was VERY interesting  

http://nyvelocity.com/content/interviews/2009/michael-ashenden

I have trouble finding studies on gh/glucose metabolism in healthy adults. There's so much data to wade through. But it would be interesting if you tested your fasting glucose say for a week and then again once you got on the GH. See if there's a change. Changes in BG depend on dosage too of course. Very low doses can actually increase insulin sensitivity and/or cause no change. I think you said you were going to do 2.5iu which I think is supraphysiological, even for a younger adult.

[tbombz]

No need for testing if your honest with yourself. Too many guys are all placebo and delusion when it comes to their drug effects.

[Micro1]

i always  tellin gyou fellas that hgh give you window of oportunity to grow,,6 months after intake,,this is good exampel pupils to this fact,,notice his blood levels were 327 upon stopping gh after 2 months with no gh in body,,the gh still left increased igf ,,this is what gh15 mean by 6 months window,,thats why you have the felals who say they only use steroids and never heard of gh,,,they just get off it and use this window that gh gives that shows you in this blood example,,in any case the level of igf should haev been much higher than normal what are your normal? how old are you? did you have any health problem or anything cortizol type medication you were on ?

gh15 approved

I don't have a base level for IGF, I will in a couple weeks when I get it done again. I'm 42, 41 when gotten the test. No health problems or on any meds

[pellius]

I don't have a base level for IGF, I will in a couple weeks when I get it done again. I'm 42, 41 when gotten the test. No health problems or on any meds

 I wonder if it will make much of a difference. I don't know how IGF works but I'm thinking along the lines of testosterona replacement. Say you take a 250mg shot every week for 4 weeks and you test at 2000 ng/ml. Would it make a difference if your baseline level was 200 or 800 ng/ml? 250mg seems to me will get you to a certain level regardless of what you started out with because once you start taking the shots your own production stops. It's not like the shots will "build" on the 200 or 800 ng/ml. My understanding is that once you start injecting HGH at least at 2iu then your own production stops.

[gh15]

pay atention to van b postings,,they are very important,,that fella may be the best source get big has,,he should be the main moderator on steroid board with complete over seeing anything to do with hormone information,,

gh15 approved

[Captain Equipoise]

And i doubt you'll find a doc that gives you prescriptions for 15i.u. HGH on your health insurance, diagnosis: Mutation needed.

I had no problems

my insurance started complaining after one month though

[whitewidow]

I warned you gh15 fans about that chinese junk. stick to proven 191-AA sequence. real HGH does not come cheap. stick to humatrope wich is the #1 best and serostim. both are an assload per kit but you get what you pay for. as for nordic he sold alot of legit mex gear. i know he was into quality vet and then he got into stallion labs. I can vouch for his mex gear and he does have good prompt service but I wouldnt vouch for all his HGH. I wouldnt vouch for anybodys HGH unless they get it from a doctor.legit jintropin kits I will vouch for but most all jintropin I believe is gone. pretty sure they got busted.

[gh15]

you warn who about what? ,,my pupils onlu use gh approved by gh15 and thanktropin is one of them becsause its legit gh dosed accuratly,,the source nordic is superb and all product coming are legit,, been logn time in the cult and all product LEGIT,, now,, inregard to jintropin is depend on source,,most jintropin are bunk gh now day and even back then many were bunk and fake,, so jintropin is not approved gh by gh15,,

this is not abotu mecxicanos hormones,,this is about gh ,,i have working now with over 4 fellas on thanktroipin everyone of them is leaner ,,bigger ,,wider,, and tighter than any other competitors in gyms ,,they are all npc,,the thanktropin is seond to serostim and kigtropin which are both the best gh you can get form americana and china respectivly,,but again friends the thanktropin for some reason get you wider,, and tighter mainly due to looking fuller on top and buttom more than other gh ,,reason not known ,,in gh15 decidsion its due to litle extra water retention that the thanktropin cause,,

all in all the 5 brand gh15 approve are the only oen to be used and only one who been approved,,that mean tro all the million questrion i get a day ...no i do not approve other gh for now,,not americano and not chinease,,

gh15 approved

[gh15]

and in regarding the sentence you get what you pay for,,not if you knwo who you deal with,,and its important ,,many do not when it come to chian,,nordic does know and has personal contact there that work with for long time for 100s of thousands of dollars,, so no balonie please,, also all the other supplier of gh usually kis ass to nordic and buy from him to sell to you ,,nordic is number one in the gh busniess for many years ,,constistent years,, in addition to this kigtropin cost 170 dollaros and it is as good if not better than serostim,,checked and verified by5 different profesionalo bodybuilders,,

china gh as of now

kigtropin
thanktropin
hyge if legit thsats why not on list because too many fake
jintropin if legit ,,thats why not on list ,,flooded with fake

anyother chinease gh is NOT APPROVE AND TO NOT BE USED BY MY PUPILLS,,

gh15 approved

[gh15]

and also friends,,there come to my ear that some individual talk bad about the great leader of the bodybuld cult nordic ,, a leader who been there for years and done for bodybuild more than all of the individual put together woudnt do,,a leader who most npc is build on product from ,,a leader who initiate legit product and for years in the cult,, a strong and solid leader that is done marvelous things for the cult,,if you have any doubt that nordic is protected by the lions of hell and angels of heven,,you better think again

the proof is in the result friend,, the proof is in the result,,everything is on time with the leader,,thew quality,,the performances ,,the contacts and connection ,, you dont get to be the leader by mistake

nordic is 100% backed up by gh15

gh15 approved

[whitewidow]

I agree jintropin is counterfeited to often to reccomend! However if you get a authentic kit of jintropin it is very good HGH . as for nordic He has been around for awhile mainly is known for pushing mexican gear like quality vet, pets pharma, TTokyo, animal power but after operation gear grinder he got in with stallion labs. the first round of stallion labs was done by bozos who didnt even know how to crimp a top on the gear vial as the whole fucking top would come off. many pissed off customers. Nordic could of made right on some of those shitty ampules. but none of the stallion labs crew gave a shit. Thats why stallion labs got a shitty rating in the beggining. I personally thought it was a decent product. Nordic is serious about business but even he can get slipped some shitty HGH especially when your flipping that many kits. I think nordic means well and he does know what he is doi ng but there is nothing he can do if he gets a bad batch of kits wich has happened weather you want to belive it or not. My guess is considering the bulk nordic buys he pays like 80$ a kit and doubles his money on each one. if he didnt double his money on each kit he would be a shitty business man and I kn ow he is not that. so he definately gets those kits for around 80-90$. then you gotta figure the chinese connect takes the same cutt about 100% markup and then you got HGH some chinese guy got for 40-50$ a kit. sorry but I wouldnt touch it with a 10ft shitty stick. save your cash and buy something you dont have to worry about being real.  I rather see nordic selling humatrope or serostim but there is no way he could get enough of either brand to list that to the BB community if he did it would be fake. only the real big names get the real deal humatrope or serostim. I bet nordic uses diffrent HGH than what he sells. Im not slamming nordic at all i think he is a top notch professional he just cant control what he gets sent. and I know for a fact he does not test any of it. hes in it for the money. Another thing that worries me about nordic is he survived operation gear grinder wich focused exactly on mex gear and also operation raw deal. the guy must have a horseshoe up his ass. Back to HGH You want to buy whats been cleared  by the FDA. nothing clandestine or chinese. just my IMO. Honestly you guys would rather use some weird chinese thankyouforyourmoneytrop in or humatrope?

[gh15]

in over many year thanktropin is offer NOT EVEN one time batch was bad,, people tought batch may be bad because they held to omuch wateer but then week 2-4 they all said ,,forgive us master for we have sinned,,

NORDIC DOES NOT DO MISTAKES,,HIS CONTATCS ARE REAL ,, HE IS NOT BUYING IT FROM CONTATCS HE DOESNT KNOW,,HE HAS THE PEOPEL IN CHINA KISSING HIS ASS FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY HE ROLL THERE,,HE IS NOT OFERING SEROSTIM BECAUSE IT WONT BE PROFITABLE ENOUGH AND NOT BE AFFORDABLE PRICE WIZE ONLY BECAUSE OF FDA PRICE TAG,,HE OFFER WHAT HE HIMSELF RUN ,,HE RUN THE THANKROPIN,, HE USE IT HIMSELF,,SPIKE FELAL FROM THIS BOARIDNG UE NORDIC GH TOO FOR MANY YEAR AND THE BEST PHSYIQE ON THE SITE OR ANYSITE ON INTERNET,M,

DO NOT TRY TO LEAD NORDIC TO SLUTTER BECAUE IT WILL NOT HAPPEN ,,HE JUST OO GOOD OF SOURCE,,QUALITY IS HIS SECOND NAME,,HE IS THE BEST SOURCE IN HISTORY OF BODYBUILDING,,READ THIS AGAIN ,,THE BEST EEVER SOURCE IN HISTORY OF BODYHBULDING,,YOU WILL NEVER FIND ANY BETTER SOURCE IN HISTORY THAT CAME OUTR WITH LEGIT PRODUCTS SO MANY TIMES REPETDELY WHEN AT MANY TIME HE DIDNT HAVE CONTROL ON THE AMERICANO FELLAS WHO RAN THE AMERICANO PWDER HE ORDERED TO SEND THEM AND THEY FUCKED UP WITH IT,,

HE IS THE LEADER OF THE  BODYBUILD WORLD ,,THERE IS NO OTHER ,,HE IS THE ONE,, IT TAKE MANY MANY HAPPY CLIENT TO BE LEADER OF ANYTHING

you an be sure if gh15 approve thanropin you hav there LEGIT 100% GH,,not 99% but 100% PHARMA LEVEL WITH OTU THE FDA APPROVE WHICH MAKE THE TAG PRIZE CHEAPER,,no nordic hgh = alot less bodybuilder as of 2011

gh15 approved

[gh15]

and be sure about ,,, if nordic give you word,,the word is gold,,gold,,if he say you have somethign by tomorow 11 am ,,at 10 55 you wil have it at your hand,,

EVRRY ONE KNOW IT ,,EVERY ONE KNOE IT,,

gh15 approved

[Spike]

I warned you gh15 fans about that chinese junk. stick to proven 191-AA sequence. real HGH does not come cheap. stick to humatrope wich is the #1 best and serostim. both are an assload per kit but you get what you pay for. as for nordic he sold alot of legit mex gear. i know he was into quality vet and then he got into stallion labs. I can vouch for his mex gear and he does have good prompt service but I wouldnt vouch for all his HGH. I wouldnt vouch for anybodys HGH unless they get it from a doctor.legit jintropin kits I will vouch for but most all jintropin I believe is gone. pretty sure they got busted.

what you dont know is the people making thanktropin and some nd blues are the former chemists that worked at genesci making jinos but the DEA went ovr before the olympics and put a huge dent in powder sources and mainstream gh manufacturs in china --- when genesci got heat from DEA where do you think some of the scientists went that were making jinos

as with any drug when one goes out thats in high demand, another steps up to take its place

nordic never got involed with stallion and stallion is still around - nordic had connects in asia NOT europe for legit HG gear - his UG lab isnt even goin anymore

ttokyo?? jesus that shit was done and gone 6yrs ago ORD put mexico DOWN --- he might of helped the stallion guys source but he never sold it himself - buying gh in bulk?? where would he store that much gh, you dont know what your talking about and that is not how business works with him...your're speaking about some fck in NYC that buys 10kits at a time and keeps them under his moms couch and sells him while he's playin xbox........if you know how THE GREAT1 works, its all direct connect......i say no more

[luvvsuNOT]

what you dont know is the people making thanktropin and some nd blues are the former chemists that worked at genesci making jinos but the DEA went ovr before the olympics and put a huge dent in powder sources and mainstream gh manufacturs in china --- when genesci got heat from DEA where do you think some of the scientists went that were making jinos

as with any drug when one goes out thats in high demand, another steps up to take its place

nordic never got involed with stallion and stallion is still around - nordic had connects in asia NOT europe for legit HG gear - his UG lab isnt even goin anymore

ttokyo?? jesus that shit was done and gone 6yrs ago ORD put mexico DOWN --- he might of helped the stallion guys source but he never sold it himself - buying gh in bulk?? where would he store that much gh, you dont know what your talking about and that is not how business works with him...your're speaking about some fck in NYC that buys 10kits at a time and keeps them under his moms couch and sells him while he's playin xbox........if you know how THE GREAT1 works, its all direct connect......i say no more

This whitewidow guy just keeps getting owned and owned. Trying to become a player taking on the god of hormona and now the god of sourceona. fella is just inover his head. All 175 lbs of him. lol

[luvvsuNOT]

and also friends,,there come to my ear that some individual talk bad about the great leader of the bodybuld cult nordic ,, a leader who been there for years and done for bodybuild more than all of the individual put together woudnt do,,a leader who most npc is build on product from ,,a leader who initiate legit product and for years in the cult,, a strong and solid leader that is done marvelous things for the cult,,if you have any doubt that nordic is protected by the lions of hell and angels of heven,,you better think again

the proof is in the result friend,, the proof is in the result,,everything is on time with the leader,,thew quality,,the performances ,,the contacts and connection ,, you dont get to be the leader by mistake

nordic is 100% backed up by gh15

gh15 approved

Anyone who goes on OLM knows Mutant. He's the gh guru there. been on the board sincethe beggining and the one everbdy goes to for peptide advice. Practically has mod status there. big fan of the rips and always pushing them. thats fine. But now he start bagging on the red tops. red tops have no or very weak vaccum seal and says junk. nordic doesnt get on baord to fight he post on his site about the use of nitrogen and explain different ways to preserv quality. not jsut vacum seal. long time vet doesnt let up on god of sourceona. when I go back on OLM after a month I find much to my surprise no more mutant. never thought it would happen to him as he is looked on as mod. but this time he mess with wrong guy.

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[no one]

pay atention to van b postings,,they are very important,,that fella may be the best source get big has,,he should be the main moderator on steroid board with complete over seeing anything to do with hormone information,,

gh15 approved

agreed.

[Master Blaster]

Just speculating but there might be some disease states that cause higher IGF-1, for example. And just individual variability in general.

What if it some some kind of cheaper, easier to make peptide that was substituted for HGH. One that would affect IGF levels.

[pellius]

So VanB, how does HGH effect blood glucose levels?

[pellius]

Anyone who goes on OLM knows Mutant. He's the gh guru there. been on the board sincethe beggining and the one everbdy goes to for peptide advice. Practically has mod status there. big fan of the rips and always pushing them. thats fine. But now he start bagging on the red tops. red tops have no or very weak vaccum seal and says junk. nordic doesnt get on baord to fight he post on his site about the use of nitrogen and explain different ways to preserv quality. not jsut vacum seal. long time vet doesnt let up on god of sourceona. when I go back on OLM after a month I find much to my surprise no more mutant. never thought it would happen to him as he is looked on as mod. but this time he mess with wrong guy.

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I remember Nordic use to post of Lewellyn's board. Not often but every now and then. For some reason William's board attracts a lot of Europeans. Anyway Division picks a fight with Nordic and Sandra. They go back and forth. First time I see Nordic getting infuriated. Probably frustrated because he got involved with some low life way beneath him. Finally, Nordic doesn't want to waste his time and leaves board. Couple weeks later gh15 comes out of retirement asking for info on Division. Division who never seems to leave the computer and lived on the boards and laughs at gh15 threats. Division suddenly disappears.

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nordicsport 
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DIVISION NEEDS TO BE BANNED FROM THIS BOARD BECAUSE HE IS NOT JUST ONLY A SECURITY THREAT TO THE COMMUNITY POSTING SHIPPINGINFO ,HE ALSO CALLED OUT SOURCES FOR SELLING FAKES WHICH THEY NEVER DID(I THOUGHT MENTIONING SOURCES NAME ON BOS WAS A BANNING REASON???)
THIS BOARD IS GETTING A BAD REPUTATION NOW ON OTHER BOARDS HAVING HIM HERE POSTING ALL KIND OF PISS!
THOSE OF U AGREE FEEL FREE TO POST BELOW

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