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20. A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows. – Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain, pictured)
19. Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. – Anonymous
18. With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. – Steven Weinberg
17. Since the Bible and the church are obviously mistaken in telling us where we came from, how can we trust them to tell us where we are going? – Anonymous
16. The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike. – Delos B. McKown
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15. Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer. – Anonymous
14. Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence. – Anonymous
13. What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. – Christopher Hitchens (pictured)
12. I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. – Stephen Roberts
11. It ain’t the parts of the Bible that I can’t understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand. – Mark Twain
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10. Atheism is a non-prophet organization. – George Carlin (pictured)
9. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power but absolute power is corrupt only in the hands of the absolutely faithful. – Anonymous
8. Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense. – Chapman Cohen
7. When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. – Robert Pirsig
6. Animals do not have gods, they are smarter than that. – Ronnie Snow
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5. Most religions prophecy the end of the world and then consistently work together to ensure that these prophecies come true. – Anonymous
4. Religions are like pills, which must be swallowed whole without chewing. – Anonymous
3. If I were not an atheist, I would believe in a God who would choose to save people on the basis of the totality of their lives and not the pattern of their words. I think he would prefer an honest and righteous atheist to a TV preacher whose every word is God, God, God, and whose every deed is foul, foul, foul. – Isaac Asimov
2. Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. – Seneca the Younger (pictured)
1. Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? – Epicurus
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There is no God.
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20. A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows. – Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain, pictured)
19. Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. – Anonymous
18. With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. – Steven Weinberg''Maybe God didnt always exist. I actually think that he created himself. which implies that there was a period of non-existence, and then god created himself... got lonely, and created existence''
17. Since the Bible and the church are obviously mistaken in telling us where we came from, how can we trust them to tell us where we are going? – Anonymous
16. The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike. – Delos B. McKown
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''Maybe God didnt always exist. I actually think that he created himself. which implies that there was a period of non-existence, and then god created himself... got lonely, and created existence''
TBombz
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''Maybe God didnt always exist. I actually think that he created himself. which implies that there was a period of non-existence, and then god created himself... got lonely, and created existence''
TBombz
how can you go wrong with exolinations like that?
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There is no God.
You can't technically say that 100% because that would mean you would have complete knowledge of everything ( ironically this is what religion claims ) however the God as described in the holy books is pretty much fantasy
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::) ::) ::)
''Maybe God didnt always exist. I actually think that he created himself. which implies that there was a period of non-existence, and then god created himself... got lonely, and created existence''
TBombz
Do you think God wanted a deep tissue massage?
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Hey atheists, if god does not exist, who wrote the bible? eh? check and mate 8)
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"On the sixth day, God created man. On the seventh day, man returned the favor."
;D
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You're going to regret this. You see, when I go to Hell it'll be because I had much too good a time. But when they ask you what you're in for? "Nonbelief." "Haha, oh brother!"
It seemed the world was divided into good and bad people. The good ones slept better... while the bad ones seemed to enjoy the waking hours much more. - Woody Allen
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Hey atheists, if god does not exist, who wrote the bible? eh? check and mate 8)
The bible FYI wasn't always a book you know , it was a story handed down from generation to the next , they they decided to put it on paper and we all know how that worked out ;D
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1. God is dead. - Nietzsche.
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"You'll never find a dead Christian in a foxhole who didn't pray."
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Good stuff. You can't argue religion logically, because there's nothing logical about it. That's why it's called "faith". You can either use your logical brain, or else you can stick your fingers in your ears, sqeeze your eyes shut, and say "la, la, la, la, la"................ ::)
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Hey atheists, if god does not exist, who wrote the bible? eh? check and mate 8)
Um...people?
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savage ownings dealt to christians in this thread. i like it.
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science? yes.
organized religion? ehh
deitys? yes.
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1. God is dead. - Nietzsche.
what's nietzsche up to these days?
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Ayn Rand sums it up best and my bro Kiwiol will second that.
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I'm a catholic turned atheist. People
Think I'm the fycking devil when they find out.
I always tell them that quote of how we're all atheists &
I just believe in one less god.
Do you believe in Zeus? ....well no
Do you believe in Neptune? ...well no
Ok, then you're an atheist.
I just happen not to believe in Christ & Allah & the rest of them.
Obviously my non belief is more complex than a simple quote.
But one thing that ALL believers have in common is their gross lack of logic & critical thinking.
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you don't prepare a ham sandwich to possess the intellect to understand you. no, the sandwich has a purpose, and it's designed for that. meaty and salty protein (no homo).
Whatever energy, force, being, alien, god, or other entity that put all of this in motion and put us here....
Well, he/it gave us some 3 pounds of grey goo up there... we use 10% of it thinking about sex all the time. That's about it. If there's something up there, it's beyond our comprehension.
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You can send me a post card from hell. ;D
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Ayn Rand sums it up best and my bro Kiwiol will second that.
FAIL.
/(financial) self-sufficiency is where it's at... ;)
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Owning the minds of Christians everywhere.
Being subjected to hilarious slanders by people who have never read him.
Educating our miserable race.
The usual. ;)
You're out of control cyphliss.
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Ayn Rand sums it up best and my bro Kiwiol will second that.
AR has nothing on tbongz, who'll be here shortly to explain God, using logic
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My favorite ~ When Jesus comes back we will just kill him again!!!!
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AR has nothing on tbongz, who'll be here shortly to explain God, using logic
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Arrogant atheists abound on getbig.
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The bible FYI wasn't always a book you know , it was a story handed down from generation to the next , they they decided to put it on paper and we all know how that worked out ;D
Exactly. When it was " Handed down " from one generation of MAN to the next, it was rewritten/revised by the HAND OF MAN, for POWER/CONTROL.
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Since Tombz is outnumbered.. Lemme help to keep this going ;D
________________________ ________________________ ________________________ _______________
During a question and answer session at a recent speaking engagement, a university student asked the speaker, “Why do you believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God?”
Now this is a very interesting question; and probably one of the most important questions any Christian could ask themselves. What is so special, so unique about the Bible that Christians believe it is literally the inspired word of God?
In answering this student’s question, the speaker encouraged him to consider the following facts about the Bible:
First, the Bible is not just one single book. This is a more common misconception than many people realize, especially with people who do not come from a Judeo-Christian background.. Rather than being a single book, the Bible is actually a collection of 66 books, which is called the canon of scriptures. These 66 books contain a variety of genres: history, poetry, prophecy, wisdom literature, letters, and apocalyptic just to name a few.
Second, these 66 books were written by 40 different authors. These authors came from a variety of backgrounds: shepherds, fishermen, doctors, kings, prophets, and others. And most of these authors never knew one another personally.
Third, these 66 books were written over a period of 1500 years. Yet again, this is another reminder that many of these authors never knew or collaborated with one another in writing these books.
Fourth, the 66 books of the Bible were written in 3 different languages. In the Bible we have books that were written in the ancient languages of Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic; a reflection of the historical and cultural circumstances in which each of these books were written.
And finally, these 66 books were written on 3 different continents: Africa, Asia, and Europe. Once again, this is a testament to the varied historical and cultural circumstances of God’s people.
Think about the above realities: 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, on 3 different continents. What’s more, this collection of books shares a common storyline- the creation, fall, and redemption of God’s people; a common theme- God’s universal love for all of humanity; and a common message- salvation is available to all who repent of their sins and commit to following God with all of their heart, soul, mind and strength. In addition to sharing these commonalities, these 66 books contain no historical errors or contradictions. God’s word truly is an amazing collection of writings!
After the speaker had shared the above facts with this student, he offered him the following challenge: he said, “If you do not believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, if you do not believe that the Bible is of a supernatural origin, than I challenge you to a test.”
The speaker said to the student, “I challenge you to go to any library in the world, you can choose any library you like, and find 66 books which match the characteristics of the 66 books in the Bible. You must choose 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, written on 3 different continents. However, they must share a common storyline, a common theme, and a common message, with no historical errors or contradictions.”
The speaker went on to say, “If you can produce such a collection of books, I will admit that the Bible is not the inspired word of God.” The student’s reply was almost instantaneous, he emphatically stated, “But that’s impossible!”
It truly is impossible, for any collection of human writings. However, the Bible passes this test. The Bible contains 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, on 3 different continents, with no historical errors or contradictions. The entire Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, bears the mark of Divine inspiration.
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AR has nothing on tbongz, who'll be here shortly to explain God, using logic
LOL, his God theory is almost as bad as his training theories!
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Since Tombz is outnumbered.. Lemme help to keep this going ;D
________________________ ________________________ ________________________ _______________
During a question and answer session at a recent speaking engagement, a university student asked the speaker, “Why do you believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God?”
Now this is a very interesting question; and probably one of the most important questions any Christian could ask themselves. What is so special, so unique about the Bible that Christians believe it is literally the inspired word of God?
In answering this student’s question, the speaker encouraged him to consider the following facts about the Bible:
First, the Bible is not just one single book. This is a more common misconception than many people realize, especially with people who do not come from a Judeo-Christian background.. Rather than being a single book, the Bible is actually a collection of 66 books, which is called the canon of scriptures. These 66 books contain a variety of genres: history, poetry, prophecy, wisdom literature, letters, and apocalyptic just to name a few.
Second, these 66 books were written by 40 different authors. These authors came from a variety of backgrounds: shepherds, fishermen, doctors, kings, prophets, and others. And most of these authors never knew one another personally.
Third, these 66 books were written over a period of 1500 years. Yet again, this is another reminder that many of these authors never knew or collaborated with one another in writing these books.
Fourth, the 66 books of the Bible were written in 3 different languages. In the Bible we have books that were written in the ancient languages of Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic; a reflection of the historical and cultural circumstances in which each of these books were written.
And finally, these 66 books were written on 3 different continents: Africa, Asia, and Europe. Once again, this is a testament to the varied historical and cultural circumstances of God’s people.
Think about the above realities: 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, on 3 different continents. What’s more, this collection of books shares a common storyline- the creation, fall, and redemption of God’s people; a common theme- God’s universal love for all of humanity; and a common message- salvation is available to all who repent of their sins and commit to following God with all of their heart, soul, mind and strength. In addition to sharing these commonalities, these 66 books contain no historical errors or contradictions. God’s word truly is an amazing collection of writings!
After the speaker had shared the above facts with this student, he offered him the following challenge: he said, “If you do not believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, if you do not believe that the Bible is of a supernatural origin, than I challenge you to a test.”
The speaker said to the student, “I challenge you to go to any library in the world, you can choose any library you like, and find 66 books which match the characteristics of the 66 books in the Bible. You must choose 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, written on 3 different continents. However, they must share a common storyline, a common theme, and a common message, with no historical errors or contradictions.”
The speaker went on to say, “If you can produce such a collection of books, I will admit that the Bible is not the inspired word of God.” The student’s reply was almost instantaneous, he emphatically stated, “But that’s impossible!”
It truly is impossible, for any collection of human writings. However, the Bible passes this test. The Bible contains 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, on 3 different continents, with no historical errors or contradictions. The entire Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, bears the mark of Divine inspiration.
interesting post. you gotta think with all these muslims jews and christians in the world there's gotta be something to the whole god thing.
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That's not Prof. Dongz
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I believe there is no god, do I have any proof or reason to suggest this no I have faith- Every Athiest ever.
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you don't prepare a ham sandwich to possess the intellect to understand you. no, the sandwich has a purpose, and it's designed for that. meaty and salty protein (no homo).
Whatever energy, force, being, alien, god, or other entity that put all of this in motion and put us here....
Well, he/it gave us some 3 pounds of grey goo up there... we use 10% of it thinking about sex all the time. That's about it. If there's something up there, it's beyond our comprehension.
This.
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Arrogant atheists abound on getbig.
I'm not arrogant, nor am I an actual atheist. More of an agnostic. I'm just comfortable saying "I don't know"...
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who/what made these people work the way they did?
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interesting post. you gotta think with all these muslims jews and christians in the world there's gotta be something to the whole god thing.
All I know that the Jews still withheld their tradition that originates thousands of years ago before the birth of Jesus. Some believe in Jesus while some still observe the Covenant of Moses
Christians are the people that believe in the "re-born" through the death of Jesus Christ and become the people of God.. It's like new ownership of the new covenant with God (from the Law to Grace)
Muslim's Quran does consist of different authors but it's under one lineage - the main author was Muhammed and after Muhammad's death his followers continued the writing of the Quran. There is no diversity of culture or timeline.. That's why you find people said Muslim is a religion of peace and yet there are scriptures in the Quran that tells people to kill and destroy, degradation of women and etc..
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I'm not arrogant, nor am I an actual atheist. More of an agnostic. I'm just comfortable saying "I don't know"...
There's a huge difference between an agnostic and athiest. Thiest and Athiest both are believers, you can't get around this fact.
Agnostic aren't usually one way or the others.
I'm an agnostic that believes in god, because there's research that suggest belief is a powerful survival tool. It's pretty simple with me but it's enough.
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I think there are greater forces in existance that are beyond our understanding. What they are, I don't know, hence the beyond our undersanding part. And I hate arguing about religion anyway, I always wind up with a headache, lol!
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interesting post. you gotta think with all these muslims jews and christians in the world there's gotta be something to the whole god thing.
And Britney Spears MUST be talented due to the fact that she's sold millions of records... ::) That's why they're called sheep... ;D
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I'm a catholic turned atheist. People
Think I'm the fycking devil when they find out.
I always tell them that quote of how we're all atheists &
I just believe in one less god.
Do you believe in Zeus? ....well no
Do you believe in Neptune? ...well no
Ok, then you're an atheist.
That's like saying a woman is barren, if she has just one child.
Do you believe in Jesus? ....YES!!!
Ergo, you are NOT an atheist.
Obviously my non belief is more complex than a simple quote.
But one thing that ALL believers have in common is their gross lack of logic & critical thinking.
Logic? Hmmm.....an atheist believes that there is NO god (as in ZERO).
Therefore, in order to be disqualified from being an atheist, how many deities must somebody believe to exist?
Answer........ONE!!!
Not 100, not 20, not 10.......just ONE.
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Owning the minds of Christians everywhere.
Being subjected to hilarious slanders by people who have never read him.
Educating our miserable race.
The usual. ;)
Was that before or after he snorted his coke?
STAY POSITIVE...MLK ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Typical Christian way of speaking: calling the most banal questions "very interesting." As if this is some sort of justification for the epic blabbering they're about to subject you to.
Here's the real answer: their belief has nothing to do with the Bible's "uniqueness." It has everything to do with generations of retards brainwashing little kids. Before that, well, there was a time when the Bible would have genuinely made sense to a lot of people... however, that time was centuries if not millenia ago.
When Nietzsche said "God is dead," he followed shortly with "And we have killed him." By this, he means that the development of our species has reached such a point that believing in God is all but impossible for any but the most braindead -- we have effectively killed him by learning too much about our world. This is why, today, the only people who are Christians are either those who have been corrupted as little children (as a child, everyone basically has the judgment of a retard and is just as easy to manipulate), or the lunatics who have completely lost the plot -- former drug addicts, victims of severely degrading circumstances, etc.
Weird, a hugely successful and popular religion inspired fanfiction from around the world... hard to believe.
Indeed, there are slaves, servants, common laborers, and similarly uneducated people all around the world, throughout history, and within every culture! Wow!!!
Please don't think too hard this... "A common storyline," LOL. Yes truly amazing... sort of how every non-fiction document ever written has shared "a common storyline." Whoops! Did I say "non-fiction?"
This is all covered in about 15 chapters, specifically, the beginning of Genesis and any of the gospels (they're all redundant). The vast majority of the text, entire books really, have nothing to do with these subjects.
Wow, might be nice for him if it actually said that... Unfortunately, it doesn't. I'm sure the Catholic Church would love to back me up on that.
::) No historical errors or contradictions huh? Practically none of what is written in these books is at all verifiable by any means. Of course, though, there are no errors. ::)
Oh boy! :D
Wow, this sounds really hard! The Bible is so unique!
Okay so the Bible "bears the mark of Divine inspiration," because it has a shitload of different contributors, took a long time to produce, has no obvious flaws (lol), and is unique in all of this.
Forget about actually reading it and thinking, for a second, "does any of this make sense?" Forget about thinking, for even a moment, of some possible ALTERNATIVE HYPOTHESES for the Bible's creation, besides "it's really unique so I think God made it!!!" On that note, forget about the complexity of the world. Forget about the fact that just because something is too hard to explain right now, or even in your lifetime, there is no guarantee that the next generation won't solve the riddle and make you and your proclamations of divine inspiration the laughingstock of posterity.
Whatever dude, just forget about it. This guy is a lost cause.
Great post... :)
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13. What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. – Christopher Hitchens (pictured)
12. I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. – Stephen Roberts
good stuff
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Hey atheists, if god does not exist, who wrote the bible? eh? check and mate 8)
easy
greedy men
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I am currently polytheistic, its the way to go, I mean if you benefit from 1 god then you multiply the benefits.
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Interesting thread - some good reading here.
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I think the Pastafarian belief system would suit a lot of guys here
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Heaven with Beer volcano and stripper factory
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1. God is dead. - Nietzsche.
do you know he suffered mental issues when he was a kid?
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Since Tombz is outnumbered.. Lemme help to keep this going ;D
________________________ ________________________ ________________________ _______________
During a question and answer session at a recent speaking engagement, a university student asked the speaker, “Why do you believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God?”
Now this is a very interesting question; and probably one of the most important questions any Christian could ask themselves. What is so special, so unique about the Bible that Christians believe it is literally the inspired word of God?
In answering this student’s question, the speaker encouraged him to consider the following facts about the Bible:
First, the Bible is not just one single book. This is a more common misconception than many people realize, especially with people who do not come from a Judeo-Christian background.. Rather than being a single book, the Bible is actually a collection of 66 books, which is called the canon of scriptures. These 66 books contain a variety of genres: history, poetry, prophecy, wisdom literature, letters, and apocalyptic just to name a few.
Second, these 66 books were written by 40 different authors. These authors came from a variety of backgrounds: shepherds, fishermen, doctors, kings, prophets, and others. And most of these authors never knew one another personally.
Third, these 66 books were written over a period of 1500 years. Yet again, this is another reminder that many of these authors never knew or collaborated with one another in writing these books.
Fourth, the 66 books of the Bible were written in 3 different languages. In the Bible we have books that were written in the ancient languages of Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic; a reflection of the historical and cultural circumstances in which each of these books were written.
And finally, these 66 books were written on 3 different continents: Africa, Asia, and Europe. Once again, this is a testament to the varied historical and cultural circumstances of God’s people.
Think about the above realities: 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, on 3 different continents. What’s more, this collection of books shares a common storyline- the creation, fall, and redemption of God’s people; a common theme- God’s universal love for all of humanity; and a common message- salvation is available to all who repent of their sins and commit to following God with all of their heart, soul, mind and strength. In addition to sharing these commonalities, these 66 books contain no historical errors or contradictions. God’s word truly is an amazing collection of writings!
After the speaker had shared the above facts with this student, he offered him the following challenge: he said, “If you do not believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, if you do not believe that the Bible is of a supernatural origin, than I challenge you to a test.”
The speaker said to the student, “I challenge you to go to any library in the world, you can choose any library you like, and find 66 books which match the characteristics of the 66 books in the Bible. You must choose 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, written on 3 different continents. However, they must share a common storyline, a common theme, and a common message, with no historical errors or contradictions.”
The speaker went on to say, “If you can produce such a collection of books, I will admit that the Bible is not the inspired word of God.” The student’s reply was almost instantaneous, he emphatically stated, “But that’s impossible!”
It truly is impossible, for any collection of human writings. However, the Bible passes this test. The Bible contains 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, on 3 different continents, with no historical errors or contradictions. The entire Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, bears the mark of Divine inspiration.
Bible is full of contradictions. Even the two accounts of genesis are contradictory! I mean come on!
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"On the sixth day, God created man. On the seventh day, man returned the favor."
;D
On the 6th day, God created Goodrum. Everyone else is a mere replica of such greatness.
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There's a huge difference between an agnostic and athiest. Thiest and Athiest both are believers, you can't get around this fact.
Agnostic aren't usually one way or the others.
I'm an agnostic that believes in god, because there's research that suggest belief is a powerful survival tool. It's pretty simple with me but it's enough.
A true atheist is someone who is without belief. Belief requires somebody to think something is the case or a reality, just because they want that particular thing to be true, really bad. I don't even try and put up for or against arguments, as there is no point discussing a myth, just go off what you can and do know and you'll be fine.
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...Whatever energy, force, being, alien, god, or other entity that put all of this in motion and put us here....
Well, he/it gave us some 3 pounds of grey goo up there... we use 10% of it thinking about sex all the time. That's about it. If there's something up there, it's beyond our comprehension.
Religious people often say that atheists lack imagination. I think it's the opposite. Religious people are the ones who cannot stand uncertainty and trades freethinking imagination for idiotic, blind faith.
Dogmatic religion such as christianity, islam and judaism, is so idiotic and tied to the dark ages in which they were conceived, that it is truly astonishing that any sane and intelligent being can believe any of it.
The world and cosmos are unfathomable mysteries for our limited monkey brains ;-).
NN
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I'm a catholic turned atheist. People
Think I'm the fycking devil when they find out.
pluck, I asked you on a diff thread about this but I don't think you saw it.
What turned you from Catholicism to Atheism?
Also, are the people that "think you are the devil" when they find out Roman Catholics? Because it's been my observation that a lot of Former RC's become atheists and is not surprising at all.
Wow, might be nice for him if it actually said that... Unfortunately, it doesn't. I'm sure the Catholic Church would love to back me up on that.
Actually it does. You can't look to the RC church to be 100% on what the bible says...they tend to rely more on their own tradition and many things that are not in the bible.
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The speaker said to the student, “I challenge you to go to any library in the world, you can choose any library you like, and find 66 books which match the characteristics of the 66 books in the Bible. You must choose 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, written on 3 different continents. However, they must share a common storyline, a common theme, and a common message, with no historical errors or contradictions.”
The speaker went on to say, “If you can produce such a collection of books, I will admit that the Bible is not the inspired word of God.” The student’s reply was almost instantaneous, he emphatically stated, “But that’s impossible!”
It truly is impossible, for any collection of human writings. However, the Bible passes this test. The Bible contains 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, on 3 different continents, with no historical errors or contradictions. The entire Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, bears the mark of Divine inspiration.
The Bible is a post-hoc collection made to fit. It is a constructed collection of texts. Thus, your argument doesn't hold water. The Bible has been revised and texts have been omitted...
NN
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Hey atheists, if god does not exist, who wrote the bible? eh? check and mate 8)
Several authors who were men. This god couldn't even create a mega spray paint can to write his own ten commandments on Mt. Sinai. ::)
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if only people were ok with Not fucking knowing.
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easy
greedy men
All of the New Testament (and a significant portion of the Old) was written when its authors (and the rest of Israel) were in bondage.
So, from where does the alleged greed commence?
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My favorite ~ When Jesus comes back we will just kill him again!!!!
He's probably in an asylum right now!!! Just like all crazy fucks! ???
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Bible is full of contradictions. Even the two accounts of genesis are contradictory! I mean come on!
And these alleged contradictions in Genesis would be.........
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Since Tombz is outnumbered.. Lemme help to keep this going ;D
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During a question and answer session at a recent speaking engagement, a university student asked the speaker, “Why do you believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God?”
Now this is a very interesting question; and probably one of the most important questions any Christian could ask themselves. What is so special, so unique about the Bible that Christians believe it is literally the inspired word of God?
In answering this student’s question, the speaker encouraged him to consider the following facts about the Bible:
First, the Bible is not just one single book. This is a more common misconception than many people realize, especially with people who do not come from a Judeo-Christian background.. Rather than being a single book, the Bible is actually a collection of 66 books, which is called the canon of scriptures. These 66 books contain a variety of genres: history, poetry, prophecy, wisdom literature, letters, and apocalyptic just to name a few.
Second, these 66 books were written by 40 different authors. These authors came from a variety of backgrounds: shepherds, fishermen, doctors, kings, prophets, and others. And most of these authors never knew one another personally.
Third, these 66 books were written over a period of 1500 years. Yet again, this is another reminder that many of these authors never knew or collaborated with one another in writing these books.
Fourth, the 66 books of the Bible were written in 3 different languages. In the Bible we have books that were written in the ancient languages of Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic; a reflection of the historical and cultural circumstances in which each of these books were written.
And finally, these 66 books were written on 3 different continents: Africa, Asia, and Europe. Once again, this is a testament to the varied historical and cultural circumstances of God’s people.
Think about the above realities: 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, on 3 different continents. What’s more, this collection of books shares a common storyline- the creation, fall, and redemption of God’s people; a common theme- God’s universal love for all of humanity; and a common message- salvation is available to all who repent of their sins and commit to following God with all of their heart, soul, mind and strength. In addition to sharing these commonalities, these 66 books contain no historical errors or contradictions. God’s word truly is an amazing collection of writings!
After the speaker had shared the above facts with this student, he offered him the following challenge: he said, “If you do not believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, if you do not believe that the Bible is of a supernatural origin, than I challenge you to a test.”
The speaker said to the student, “I challenge you to go to any library in the world, you can choose any library you like, and find 66 books which match the characteristics of the 66 books in the Bible. You must choose 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, written on 3 different continents. However, they must share a common storyline, a common theme, and a common message, with no historical errors or contradictions.”
The speaker went on to say, “If you can produce such a collection of books, I will admit that the Bible is not the inspired word of God.” The student’s reply was almost instantaneous, he emphatically stated, “But that’s impossible!”
It truly is impossible, for any collection of human writings. However, the Bible passes this test. The Bible contains 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, on 3 different continents, with no historical errors or contradictions. The entire Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, bears the mark of Divine inspiration.
Problem is there are MEGA historical errors and contradictions so FAIL.
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some adults feel the need to have imaginary friends
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Problem is there are MEGA historical errors and contradictions so FAIL.
Hmmmm....the last time I checked, the lion's share of these alleged historical errors and contradictions were anything but. One of my personal favorites is the account of Belshazzar, which Bible critics from centuries ago claimed was a fictional character. Until the mid-19th century, when archaeological evidence showed that Belshazzar not only existed but did so in the capacity, described in Scripture.
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Since Tombz is outnumbered.. Lemme help to keep this going ;D
________________________ ________________________ ________________________ _______________
During a question and answer session at a recent speaking engagement, a university student asked the speaker, “Why do you believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God?”
Now this is a very interesting question; and probably one of the most important questions any Christian could ask themselves. What is so special, so unique about the Bible that Christians believe it is literally the inspired word of God?
In answering this student’s question, the speaker encouraged him to consider the following facts about the Bible:
First, the Bible is not just one single book. This is a more common misconception than many people realize, especially with people who do not come from a Judeo-Christian background.. Rather than being a single book, the Bible is actually a collection of 66 books, which is called the canon of scriptures. These 66 books contain a variety of genres: history, poetry, prophecy, wisdom literature, letters, and apocalyptic just to name a few.
Second, these 66 books were written by 40 different authors. These authors came from a variety of backgrounds: shepherds, fishermen, doctors, kings, prophets, and others. And most of these authors never knew one another personally.
Third, these 66 books were written over a period of 1500 years. Yet again, this is another reminder that many of these authors never knew or collaborated with one another in writing these books.
Fourth, the 66 books of the Bible were written in 3 different languages. In the Bible we have books that were written in the ancient languages of Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic; a reflection of the historical and cultural circumstances in which each of these books were written.
And finally, these 66 books were written on 3 different continents: Africa, Asia, and Europe. Once again, this is a testament to the varied historical and cultural circumstances of God’s people.
Think about the above realities: 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, on 3 different continents. What’s more, this collection of books shares a common storyline- the creation, fall, and redemption of God’s people; a common theme- God’s universal love for all of humanity; and a common message- salvation is available to all who repent of their sins and commit to following God with all of their heart, soul, mind and strength. In addition to sharing these commonalities, these 66 books contain no historical errors or contradictions. God’s word truly is an amazing collection of writings!
After the speaker had shared the above facts with this student, he offered him the following challenge: he said, “If you do not believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, if you do not believe that the Bible is of a supernatural origin, than I challenge you to a test.”
The speaker said to the student, “I challenge you to go to any library in the world, you can choose any library you like, and find 66 books which match the characteristics of the 66 books in the Bible. You must choose 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, written on 3 different continents. However, they must share a common storyline, a common theme, and a common message, with no historical errors or contradictions.”
The speaker went on to say, “If you can produce such a collection of books, I will admit that the Bible is not the inspired word of God.” The student’s reply was almost instantaneous, he emphatically stated, “But that’s impossible!”
It truly is impossible, for any collection of human writings. However, the Bible passes this test. The Bible contains 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, on 3 different continents, with no historical errors or contradictions. The entire Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, bears the mark of Divine inspiration.
This man is right, but let me explain how wrong he is. The bible is indeed 66 stories, what he fails to tell you is that these are 66 stories chosen out of hundreds to be compiled into one book called the bible. They picked and choosed stories to put together over time. Stories that were written by someone that knew someone that was a cousin of the uncle of the neighbor of a carpenter with a beard named Jesus.
Over time the bible was tweaked by kings and emperors to fit their needs, stuff taken out, stuff added in, to eventually end up with the King James version that retards read and cry about today as the 'holy book'.
It's funny how people like MCWAY ask for proof from anyone that claims christianity is a hoax, yet has no proof whatsoever to prove otherwise then to point out stories from the bible.
If I quoted stories from Harry Potter to you, does that mean it's proof of Wizards?
Christianity WAS NEVER A RELIGION OF LOVE as people claim. It was forced upon villiages and groups through war, just as Islam is doing today. Remember the context. Islam is 500 years younger than Christianity. It is at about the same place Christianity was a few hundred years ago.
I'm not against people that have faith and hope. I just hate those that sit around and do nothing expecting a "miracle" to happen.
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This man is right, but let me explain how wrong he is. The bible is indeed 66 stories, what he fails to tell you is that these are 66 stories chosen out of hundreds to be compiled into one book called the bible. They picked and choosed stories to put together over time. Stories that were written by someone that knew someone that was a cousin of the uncle of the neighbor of a carpenter with a beard named Jesus.
Over time the bible was tweaked by kings and emperors to fit their needs, stuff taken out, stuff added in, to eventually end up with the King James version that retards read and cry about today as the 'holy book'.
It's funny how people like MCWAY ask for proof from anyone that claims christianity is a hoax, yet has no proof whatsoever to prove otherwise then to point out stories from the bible.
If I quoted stories from Harry Potter to you, does that mean it's proof of Wizards?
Christianity WAS NEVER A RELIGION OF LOVE as people claim. It was forced upon villiages and groups through war, just as Islam is doing today. Remember the context. Islam is 500 years younger than Christianity. It is at about the same place Christianity was a few hundred years ago.
I'm not against people that have faith and hope. I just hate those that sit around and do nothing expecting a "miracle" to happen.
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This man is right, but let me explain how wrong he is. The bible is indeed 66 stories, what he fails to tell you is that these are 66 stories chosen out of hundreds to be compiled into one book called the bible. They picked and choosed stories to put together over time. Stories that were written by someone that knew someone that was a cousin of the uncle of the neighbor of a carpenter with a beard named Jesus.
Over time the bible was tweaked by kings and emperors to fit their needs, stuff taken out, stuff added in, to eventually end up with the King James version that retards read and cry about today as the 'holy book'.
It's funny how people like MCWAY ask for proof from anyone that claims christianity is a hoax, yet has no proof whatsoever to prove otherwise then to point out stories from the bible.
I asked specifically where the alleged contradictions in Genesis were (as if I didn't know where that was going ::) ).
Now, you're making a similar claim about the Bible being tweaked by kings and emperors. Pointing out these so-called tweaks would be nice. As stated earlier, much of Scripture was written WHILE ISRAEL WAS IN BONDAGE. So who are these "kings and emperors" doing the "tweaking", again?
Christianity WAS NEVER A RELIGION OF LOVE as people claim. It was forced upon villiages and groups through war, just as Islam is doing today. Remember the context. Islam is 500 years younger than Christianity. It is at about the same place Christianity was a few hundred years ago.
I'm not against people that have faith and hope. I just hate those that sit around and do nothing expecting a "miracle" to happen.
I remember the context. Christianity spread throughout the Roman empire, while its proponents were being killed and beat up for CENTURIES.
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And Britney Spears MUST be talented due to the fact that she's sold millions of records... ::) That's why they're called sheep... ;D
records sold is irrelevant. the way their minds worked like no other is what sparks interested. it wasn't their success, it was their excellence.
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So let me get thsi straight, a being with limitless power creates the universe, and little toy creatures with minds, who suffer and war against one another??
I mean if I had limitless power, would I bother?
And why is there only 1 being with limitless power?
Did the beings war amongst themselves and destroy each other?
Why create sex if it is then evil to have sex?
Why is only 1 planet in oh I dunno 100 light years of space any good at supporting life?
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And these alleged contradictions in Genesis would be.........
There are two accounts of genesis in the Bible. The creation has different order in each.
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http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/544332
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Why is only 1 planet in oh I dunno 100 light years of space any good at supporting life?
Better question I think is why are there billions of planets in the universe but god never bothered to tell us about them?
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You can't technically say that 100% because that would mean you would have complete knowledge of everything ( ironically this is what religion claims ) however the God as described in the holy books is pretty much fantasy
I thought this was a thread for ATHEIST QUOTES. ;D My quote was as ATHEIST as it gets.
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There are two accounts of genesis in the Bible. The creation has different order in each.
I knew that claim was coming. There is no different order. Genesis 1 gives the specific days of creation and what was created on each day. Genesis 2 gives NO chronological order, whatsoever.
That's not a contradiction. For example, Genesis 1 says man was created on day 6. What in Genesis 2 makes the claim that man was created on a day other than day 6?
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I knew that claim was coming. There is no different order. Genesis 1 gives the specific days of creation and what was created on each day. Genesis 2 gives NO chronological order, whatsoever.
That's not a contradiction. For example, Genesis 1 says man was created on day 6. What in Genesis 2 makes the claim that man was created on a day other than day 6?
But they are in different order right?
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Did the beings war amongst themselves and destroy each other?
War only began because people wanted to be God themselves... truth
Why create sex if it is then evil to have sex?
who said having sex is wrong? no where in the Bible ever mentioned that having sex and babies are wrong
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So let me get thsi straight, a being with limitless power creates the universe, and little toy creatures with minds, who suffer and war against one another??
I mean if I had limitless power, would I bother?
And why is there only 1 being with limitless power?
Did the beings war amongst themselves and destroy each other?
Why create sex if it is then evil to have sex?
Why is only 1 planet in oh I dunno 100 light years of space any good at supporting life?
This is why I don't like to argue about religion, I can keep asking "why" for hours, lol...like I said, I just get a fucking headache... >:(
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It truly is impossible, for any collection of human writings. However, the Bible passes this test. The Bible contains 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, on 3 different continents, with no historical errors or contradictions. The entire Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, bears the mark of Divine inspiration.
That is not true... There are lots of contradictions.
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html
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As the worlds population as a whole gets smarter, religion dies out as a result. There is a reason the percentage of Christians in this country has been declining over the years. Good reason if you ask me.
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As the worlds population as a whole gets smarter, religion dies out as a result. There is a reason the percentage of Christians in this country has been declining over the years. Good reason if you ask me.
"the initial step towards getting into healthy ultimate relations with the universe is the act of rebellion against the idea that such a God exists."
They may equally desire atonement, harmony, reconciliation, and crave acquiescence and communion with the total Soul of Things. But the craving, when the mind is pent in to the hard facts, especially as "Science" now reveals them, can breed pessimism, quite as easily as it breeds optimism when it inspires religious trust and fancy to wing their way to an other and a better world. That is why I call pessimism an essentially religious disease. The nightmare view of life has plenty of organic sources, but its great reflective source in these days, and at all times, has been the contradiction between the phenomena of Nature and the craving of the heart to believe that behind Nature there is a spirit whose expression Nature is. What philosophers call natural theology has been one way of appeasing this craving. That poetry of nature in which our English literature is so rich has been another way. Now suppose a mind of the latter of our two classes, whose imagination is pent in consequently, and who takes its facts " hard ; " suppose it, moreover, to feel strongly the craving for communion, and yet to realize how desperately difficult it is to construe the scientific order of Nature
either theologically or poetically, and what result can there be but inner discord and contradiction ? Now this inner discord
(merely as discord) can be relieved in either of two ways. The longing to read the facts religiously may cease, and leave the bare
facts by themselves. Or supplementary facts may be discovered or believed in, which permit the religious reading to go on. And these two ways of relief are the two stages of recovery, the two levels of escape from pessimism, to which I made allusion a moment ago, and which w^hat follows will, I trust, make more clear.Starting then with Nature, we naturally tend, if w^e have the religious craving, to say with Marcus Aurelius
, O Universe,
what thou wishest I wish.
Our sacred books and traditions tell us of one God who made heaven and earth, and looking on them saw that they were good. Yet,
on more intimate acquaintance, the visible surfaces of heaven and earth refuse to be brought by us into any intelligible unity at
all. Every phenomena that we would praise there exists cheek by jowl with some contrary phenomenon that cancels all its religious effect upon the mind. Beauty and hideousness, love and cruelty, life and death keep house together in indissoluble
partnership ; and there gradually steals over us, instead of the old warm notion of a man-loving Deity, that of an awful Power
that neither hates nor loves, but rolls all things together meaninglessly to a common doom. This is an uncanny, a sinister, a
nightmare view of life, and its peculiar un- heimlichkeit or poisonousness lies expressly in our holding two things together which
cannot possibly agree, in our clinging on the one hand to the demand that there shall be a living spirit of the whole, and, on the
other, to the belief that the course of nature must be such a spirit's adequate manifesta-
tion and expression. It is in the contradiction between the supposed being of a spirit that encompasses and owns us and with which we oucfht to have some communion, and the character of such a spirit as rev^ealed by the visible world's course, that this particular death-in-life paradox and this melancholy-breeding puzzle reside. Carlyle expresses the result in that chapter of his immortal ''Sartor Resartus" entitled The Everlasting No. " I lived," writes poor Teufelsdrockh, " in a continual indefinite pining fear; tremulous, pusillanimous, apprehensive of I knew not what : it seemed as if all things in the Heavens above and the Earth beneath would hurt me ; as if the Heavens and the Earth were but boundless Jaws of a devouring Monster, wherein I, palpitating, lay waiting to be devoured." This is the first stage of speculative melancholy. No brute can have this sort of melancholy, no man that is irreligious can become its prey. It is the sick shudder of the frustrated religious demand, and not the mere necessary outcome of animal experience. Teufelsdrockh himself could have made shift to face the general chaos and bedevilment of this world's experiences very well were he not the victim of an originally unlimited trust and affection towards them. If he might meet them piecemeal, with no suspicion of any Whole expressing itself in them, shunning the bitter parts and husband-ing the sweet ones, as the occasion served, and as (to use a vulgar phrase) he struck it fat or lean, he could have zigzagged fairly towards an easy end, and felt no obligation to make the air vocal with his lamentations. The mood of levity, of "I don't care," is for this world's ills a sovereign and practical anaesthetic. But no! something deep down in Teufelsdrockh and in the rest of us tells US that there is a spirit in things to which we owe allegiance and for whose sake we must keep up the serious mood, and so the inner fever and discord also are kept up for Nature taken on her visible surface reveals no such spirit, and beyond the facts of Nature we are at the present stage oi our inquiry not supposing ourselves to look.
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bump for the atheists
"the initial step towards getting into healthy ultimate relations with the universe is the act of rebellion against the idea that such a God exists."
They may equally desire atonement, harmony, reconciliation, and crave acquiescence and communion with the total Soul of Things. But the craving, when the mind is pent in to the hard facts, especially as "Science" now reveals them, can breed pessimism, quite as easily as it breeds optimism when it inspires religious trust and fancy to wing their way to an other and a better world. That is why I call pessimism an essentially religious disease. The nightmare view of life has plenty of organic sources, but its great reflective source in these days, and at all times, has been the contradiction between the phenomena of Nature and the craving of the heart to believe that behind Nature there is a spirit whose expression Nature is. What philosophers call natural theology has been one way of appeasing this craving. That poetry of nature in which our English literature is so rich has been another way. Now suppose a mind of the latter of our two classes, whose imagination is pent in consequently, and who takes its facts " hard ; " suppose it, moreover, to feel strongly the craving for communion, and yet to realize how desperately difficult it is to construe the scientific order of Nature
either theologically or poetically, and what result can there be but inner discord and contradiction ? Now this inner discord
(merely as discord) can be relieved in either of two ways. The longing to read the facts religiously may cease, and leave the bare
facts by themselves. Or supplementary facts may be discovered or believed in, which permit the religious reading to go on. And these two ways of relief are the two stages of recovery, the two levels of escape from pessimism, to which I made allusion a moment ago, and which w^hat follows will, I trust, make more clear.Starting then with Nature, we naturally tend, if w^e have the religious craving, to say with Marcus Aurelius
, O Universe,
what thou wishest I wish.
Our sacred books and traditions tell us of one God who made heaven and earth, and looking on them saw that they were good. Yet,
on more intimate acquaintance, the visible surfaces of heaven and earth refuse to be brought by us into any intelligible unity at
all. Every phenomena that we would praise there exists cheek by jowl with some contrary phenomenon that cancels all its religious effect upon the mind. Beauty and hideousness, love and cruelty, life and death keep house together in indissoluble
partnership ; and there gradually steals over us, instead of the old warm notion of a man-loving Deity, that of an awful Power
that neither hates nor loves, but rolls all things together meaninglessly to a common doom. This is an uncanny, a sinister, a
nightmare view of life, and its peculiar un- heimlichkeit or poisonousness lies expressly in our holding two things together which
cannot possibly agree, in our clinging on the one hand to the demand that there shall be a living spirit of the whole, and, on the
other, to the belief that the course of nature must be such a spirit's adequate manifesta-
tion and expression. It is in the contradiction between the supposed being of a spirit that encompasses and owns us and with which we oucfht to have some communion, and the character of such a spirit as rev^ealed by the visible world's course, that this particular death-in-life paradox and this melancholy-breeding puzzle reside. Carlyle expresses the result in that chapter of his immortal ''Sartor Resartus" entitled The Everlasting No. " I lived," writes poor Teufelsdrockh, " in a continual indefinite pining fear; tremulous, pusillanimous, apprehensive of I knew not what : it seemed as if all things in the Heavens above and the Earth beneath would hurt me ; as if the Heavens and the Earth were but boundless Jaws of a devouring Monster, wherein I, palpitating, lay waiting to be devoured." This is the first stage of speculative melancholy. No brute can have this sort of melancholy, no man that is irreligious can become its prey. It is the sick shudder of the frustrated religious demand, and not the mere necessary outcome of animal experience. Teufelsdrockh himself could have made shift to face the general chaos and bedevilment of this world's experiences very well were he not the victim of an originally unlimited trust and affection towards them. If he might meet them piecemeal, with no suspicion of any Whole expressing itself in them, shunning the bitter parts and husband-ing the sweet ones, as the occasion served, and as (to use a vulgar phrase) he struck it fat or lean, he could have zigzagged fairly towards an easy end, and felt no obligation to make the air vocal with his lamentations. The mood of levity, of "I don't care," is for this world's ills a sovereign and practical anaesthetic. But no! something deep down in Teufelsdrockh and in the rest of us tells US that there is a spirit in things to which we owe allegiance and for whose sake we must keep up the serious mood, and so the inner fever and discord also are kept up for Nature taken on her visible surface reveals no such spirit, and beyond the facts of Nature we are at the present stage oi our inquiry not supposing ourselves to look.
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you are all Gods.
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Who is gonna read all that crap lolol
religious nuts
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Lol, exactly... ;D
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15. Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer. – Anonymous
14. Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence. – Anonymous
13. What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. – Christopher Hitchens (pictured)
12. I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. – Stephen Roberts
11. It ain’t the parts of the Bible that I can’t understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand. – Mark Twain
Not to knock your thread or anything, but that first one is probably not anonymous, it's by one of the most deeply religious people to have ever lived: Gandhi. It's "an act of kindness is better than a thousand heads bowed in prayer."