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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Wiggs on January 24, 2011, 02:07:31 AM
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:P
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Shawn by a mile
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:o
shawn got him beat on sooooooooooooooooooooooo many levels.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=247504.0;attach=286955;image)
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I would say Shawn...although Nasser looked great too pre synthol.
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Shawn
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:o
shawn got him beat on sooooooooooooooooooooooo many levels.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=247504.0;attach=286955;image)
I was gonna say the same damn thing...
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:P
God she was so hot!! any more mate or the tumbler link it came from ;D
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Shawn Ray...one of the best that ever lived IMO.
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Shawn Ray was one of the top bbers for 3 decades
one of the best ever
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:o
shawn got him beat on sooooooooooooooooooooooo many levels.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=247504.0;attach=286955;image)
Hit in order ::)
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Better physique: Shawn
Better bodybuilder: Nasser
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Shawn by a country mile
Nasser .. Small tris for his physique small biz for his huge torso
Missing back detail
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Better physique: Shawn
Better bodybuilder: Nasser
racist post reported...
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I'll take this one for Clavin: Sometimes you just know how a thread is gonna go.
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i like nasser better,but shawn was proably the better bodybuilder,he had a better back,which means a lot in the pros,and i think a better won-loss record
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Shawn.
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Shawn without question..
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Better physique = Shawn
Better Bodybuilder = ?
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:P
What a great photo, so hot.
And to answer the thread question, Shawn by far.
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What a great photo, so hot.
And to answer the thread question, Shawn by far.
19th, and the first reply to notice the picture from the thread title = makes you not gay, makes this thread too damn gay...
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Better physique: Shawn
Better bodybuilder: Nasser
Agreed. Specifically the early 90's Nasser.
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Shawn by a country mile
Nasser .. Small tris for his physique small biz for his huge torso
Missing back detail
first time to hear this ::)
at his best both his bis and tris were just great and went well with the rest of him in terms of shape and size!!..
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:D
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;D
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What a surprise. Another photo barrage by Salami.
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i like nasser better,but shawn was proably the better bodybuilder,he had a better back,which means a lot in the pros,and i think a better won-loss record
the win/lose record is not the main thing because for example nasser and kevin both beat ronnie coleman more time than he beat them but still he is 8X mr. olympia!!..
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What a surprise. Another photo barrage by Salami.
yes i wanted to present something new and unexpected in this thread :-X
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Shawn by a wide margin.
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nasser's quads, hams, and, calves were all better than shawn's.. each of them separately was better than shawns and together they made his lower body superior to shawn's from all angles.. from the front or the size or the rear!!..
as for the upper body shawn was superior only in the back department and was clearly better in the RDB pose.. also the RLS pose although it was not by far!!..
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Shawn just has better lines and flow, nothing more complicated than that.
Nasser had zero balance and was full of oil.
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WTF?
Why are some people choosing one as the "better bodybuilder" and the other as a "better physique"?
It's the same damn thing!
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WTF?
Why are some people choosing one as the "better bodybuilder" and the other as a "better physique"?
It's the same damn thing!
No it isn't.
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No it isn't.
Yes it is.
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WTF?
Why are some people choosing one as the "better bodybuilder" and the other as a "better physique"?
It's the same damn thing!
Nope
Cutler = better bodybuilder
Rockel= better physique
Chick = better bodybuilder
Rusty= better physique
Layne Norton= better bodybuilder
Che= better physique
get it
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Yes it is.
Yeah ok, Jay Cutler has the best physique in the world. ::)
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Nope
Cutler = better bodybuilder
Rockel= better physique
Chick = better bodybuilder
Rusty= better physique
Layne Norton= better bodybuilder
Che= better physique
get it
How can you say that Rockel has a better physique than Cutler when Cutler is Mr Olympia, judged to have the best, most complete, developed physique on the planet in each given year they compete agasint each other? Whoever is the better bodybuilder, automatically has the best physique by default - it's that simple.
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How can you say that Rockel has a better physique than Cutler when Cutler is Mr Olympia, judged to have the best, most complete, developed physique on the planet in each given year they compete agasint each other? Whoever is the better bodybuilder, automatically has the best physique by default - it's that simple.
Because the criteria to win a bodybuilding show has zero application anywhere else in life.
Hence why bodybuilding is a niche, underground, schmoe infested sport.
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How can you say that Rockel has a better physique than Cutler when Cutler is Mr Olympia, judged to have the best, most complete, developed physique on the planet in each given year they compete agasint each other? Whoever is the better bodybuilder, automatically has the best physique by default - it's that simple.
Oh brother ::)
(http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/2007-mr-olympia-382-jay-cutler.jpg)
(http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2113/rockeldk2.jpg)
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Regardless of height, most people would rather walk around looking like Shawn than Nasser...Shawn could move around, and not wheeze while going up steps or jogging. Shawn had a more "real world" phyisque.
Hence, better physique. And he has probably the best set of abs-intercostal-serratus in the business. Couple that with the fact that he was a ladies man. You have Shawn by a mile.
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Oh brother ::)
(http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/2007-mr-olympia-382-jay-cutler.jpg)
(http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2113/rockeldk2.jpg)
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Look, let's try to make it simple for your tiny mind to comprehend.
Shawn Ray was a better bodybuilder than Nasser because he had the better physique. Therefore, he was the better bodybuilder.
Jay Cutler is a better bodybuilder than Ronny Rockel because he has a better physique. Therefore, he is a better bodybuilder.
Because he has a better physique, he is a better bodybuilder. Because he has a better physique....etc...etc...
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Look, let's try to make it simple for your tiny mind to comprehend.
Shawn Ray was a better bodybuilder than Nasser because he had the better physique. Therefore, he was the better bodybuilder.
Jay Cutler is a better bodybuilder than Ronny Rockel because he has a better physique. Therefore, he is a better bodybuilder.
Because he has a better physique, he is a better bodybuilder. Because he has a better physique....etc...etc...
Youre going with the fact that because someone has the best physique means their crowned Mr Olympia, but thats only the best physique as far as COMPETITIVE BB is concerned.
Theyre talking about physiques APART from competitive BB. As in, which man has the better physique if judged NOT BY COMPETITIVE BB STANDARDS.
Lets see if YOUR tiny brain can figure that one out. ::)
Just because someone says the word PHYSIQUE does not mean theyre talking about it in competitive BB terms.
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Shawn blows Nasser out of the water in most of the pics Sherief (Omar) posted.
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Youre going with the fact that because someone has the best physique means their crowned Mr Olympia, but thats only the best physique as far as COMPETITIVE BB is concerned.
Theyre talking about physiques APART from competitive BB. As in, which man has the better physique if judged NOT BY COMPETITIVE BB STANDARDS.
Lets see if YOUR tiny brain can figure that one out. ::)
Just because someone says the word PHYSIQUE does not mean theyre talking about it in competitive BB terms.
I was assuming they were - after all, all the bodybuilders previously mentioned in this thread are competitive bodybuilders who are judged according to bodybuilding standards, and therefore are subject to the rules where the best physique is also the best bodybuilder.
I'd be the first to admit that someone like Ronny Rockel has a more pleasing physique to the eye than Jay Cutler, but that's a whole different argument.
This thread has been about competitive bodybuilders only - Nasser v Shawn and later Jay v Rockel. Nowhere in the thread has it been discussed if a non competing bodybulder has got a better physique than an established pro.
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Youre going with the fact that because someone has the best physique means their crowned Mr Olympia, but thats only the best physique as far as COMPETITIVE BB is concerned.
Theyre talking about physiques APART from competitive BB. As in, which man has the better physique if judged NOT BY COMPETITIVE BB STANDARDS.
Lets see if YOUR tiny brain can figure that one out. ::)
Just because someone says the word PHYSIQUE does not mean theyre talking about it in competitive BB terms.
This
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Look, let's try to make it simple for your tiny mind to comprehend.
Shawn Ray was a better bodybuilder than Nasser because he had the better physique. Therefore, he was the better bodybuilder.
Jay Cutler is a better bodybuilder than Ronny Rockel because he has a better physique. Therefore, he is a better bodybuilder.
Because he has a better physique, he is a better bodybuilder. Because he has a better physique....etc...etc...
You are a retard .
I hope this helps
Better physiques
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=345642.0;attach=380144;image)
Better bodybuilders
(http://img.bajo.pl/galerie/20/619/ea9c72f452ff36ae1433aabdf7ff4323.jpg)
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You are a retard .
I hope this helps
Better physiques
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=345642.0;attach=380144;image)
Better bodybuilders
(http://img.bajo.pl/galerie/20/619/ea9c72f452ff36ae1433aabdf7ff4323.jpg)
All you're doing there is presenting bodybuilders who have bodies that are more "pleasing to the eye" - you've missed the point and it is not what the discussion is about. I was talking about bodybuilding physiques purely from a competitive sense.
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All you're doing there is presenting bodybuilders who have bodies that are more "pleasing to the eye" - you've missed the point and it is not what the discussion is about. I was talking about bodybuilding physiques purely from a competitive sense.
Nobody agrees with you , who is missing the point ???
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All you're doing there is presenting bodybuilders who have bodies that are more "pleasing to the eye" - you've missed the point and it is not what the discussion is about. I was talking about bodybuilding physiques purely from a competitive sense.
There were two seperate criteria's in the thread premise.
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Nobody agrees with you , who is missing the point ???
I'm not fussed if no-one agrees with me - it's simply an opinion that I'm sticking to.
There were two seperate criteria's in the thread premise.
I know - and I've challenged the notion by implying that the two separate criteria are one and the same thing. It seems to have upset a few people. :-\
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Nasser.
most people just dislike him on a personal level or just to piss salami off.
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I was gonna say the same damn thing...
Of course you were, because Shawn is black.
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Of course you were, because Shawn is black.
Correction half African-American and Half Puerto Rican
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Shawn was a great BB but Nasser was even better.
Shawn should have won the 94 O no question
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Correction half African-American and Half Puerto Rican
there are black PRs, you seen his folks...his father looked like ibrahim Ferrer and his mother almost looked like Omara Portuondo ;D
Of course you were, because Shawn is black.
No, because Shawn is better, and I was gonna put up that Brooke Burke (Shawn's ex) pic as well...
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19th, and the first reply to notice the picture from the thread title = makes you not gay, makes this thread too damn gay...
Check reply 7 ;D
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there are black PRs, you seen his folks...his father looked like ibrahim Ferrer and his mother almost looked like Omara Portuondo ;D
No, because Shawn is better, and I was gonna put up that Brooke Burke (Shawn's ex) pic as well...
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;D
Joe Jackson's doppelganger (no offense Shawn, I know your father passed away)
Compared to my mom, Shawn's is dark....
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BY COMPETITIVE BB STANDARDS.
and what are those standards? because if its just mass & conditioning paco should be winning every contest
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and what are those standards? because if its just mass & conditioning paco should be winning every contest
He should.
What else is it judged on in your opinion?
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Shawn is perhaps, more complete, but Nasser is by far the more impressive looking bodybuilder.
And in bodybuilding, it's about how big and freaky you can get, while retaining decent shape, which Nasser had in spades.
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better person nasser
better bodybuilder nasser
better physique nasser
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Joe Jackson's doppelganger (no offense Shawn, I know your father passed away)
Compared to my mom, Shawn's is dark....
Spot on! Rocking the Jheri curls.
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better person nasser
better bodybuilder nasser
better physique nasser
x2!
dont forget folks, Shawn ratted out his MOTHER to avoid a drugs charge, Shawn was the most arrogant egotistical BB to the fans and Shawn is a not a ladies man but a TRANNIES man, just ask "Sasha"
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x2!
dont forget folks, Shawn ratted out his MOTHER to avoid a drugs charge, Shawn was the most arrogant egotistical BB to the fans and Shawn is a not a ladies man but a TRANNIES man, just ask "Sasha"
''Don't forget Nasser beat his wife ( allegedly ) and he almost killed Milos and what he did to those poor dogs :-X
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nasser *at his best* rapes shawn
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better person nasser
better bodybuilder nasser
better physique nasser
screwing another man's wife, with his "cute" (small) penis
divulging info in a passive aggressive manner, after pretending to be friends with bbers
Getting pissy and having a meltdown when Flex beat him at the 1997 AC, cause massive comments from other bbers
Better physique, no...the general public would disagreed with you---one of the main reasons why Shawn had a show on ESPN was because he had a real world-attractive physique... x2!
dont forget folks, Shawn ratted out his MOTHER to avoid a drugs charge, Shawn was the most arrogant egotistical BB to the fans and Shawn is a not a ladies man but a TRANNIES man, just ask "Sasha"
Sasha never dated Shawn, only was pictured with him, as she took a picture with Chris Cormier. Sasha was in a relationship with Abbas Katami.
Now, what was the true story about Shawn and his mother, because we know how getbig can never get the facts right.
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He should.
What else is it judged on in your opinion?
i couldnt tell you. by their own standards, paco should easily be a top 3 guy.
yet at times dexter beats guys who are bigger and just as conditioned (or close, but far bigger).
and of course jay shows up looking like a blob and beast vic martinez.
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Shawn is perhaps, more complete, but Nasser is by far the more impressive looking bodybuilder.
And in bodybuilding, it's about how big and freaky you can get, while retaining decent shape, which Nasser had in spades.
is this an attempt to join team nasser??.. ;D
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is this an attempt to join team nasser??.. ;D
when did you start allowing heterosexuals to join?
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yeah nasser was bitter but so was shawn due to being short.
he created the fallacy that anybody over 250 looks like shit.
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when did you start allowing heterosexuals to join?
team nasser is a team for all.. even gays can join so dont worry we wont refuse you :-X
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yeah nasser was bitter but so was shawn due to being short.
he created the fallacy that anybody over 250 looks like shit.
How so? He never said that? And Shawn welcomed the challenge, and pound for pound, he possibly was stronger than Nasser (and others)---Nasser used lighter weight than Shawn in the BTFO videos
if you looked at Shawn's vids you do hear him say, "I can't out muscle them, but I can out train them and out condition them"
his Final Countdown is a great video in which he talks about prep, supps, training...and there is no bitterness when films the part where talks about losing to Ronnie Coleman.
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yeah nasser was bitter but so was shawn due to being short.
he created the fallacy that anybody over 250 looks like shit.
thats why he earned the famous chiwawa nickname.
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thats why he earned the famous chiwawa nickname.
at least spell it right....and maybe it was because Shawn was short yet was very talkative or "barked" a lot...he spoke up when Nasser was afraid to. Nasser only spoke when he was retired and could no longer place well
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x2!
dont forget folks, Shawn ratted out his MOTHER to avoid a drugs charge, Shawn was the most arrogant egotistical BB to the fans and Shawn is a not a ladies man but a TRANNIES man, just ask "Sasha"
Onlyme knows the real Shawn too !!!
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is this an attempt to join team nasser??.. ;D
Haha just giving props where it's due, that's all.
when did you start allowing heterosexuals to join?
lol
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screwing another man's wife, with his "cute" (small) penis
divulging info in a passive aggressive manner, after pretending to be friends with bbers
Getting pissy and having a meltdown when Flex beat him at the 1997 AC, cause massive comments from other bbers
Better physique, no...the general public would disagreed with you---one of the main reasons why Shawn had a show on ESPN was because he had a real world-attractive physique... Sasha never dated Shawn, only was pictured with him, as she took a picture with Chris Cormier. Sasha was in a relationship with Abbas Katami.
Now, what was the true story about Shawn and his mother, because we know how getbig can never get the facts right.
True, and Onlyme is gone, so we'll never know :o
I say Shawn as well, met him a handful of times and he's cool and we have talked briefly.
Plus he's one good looking guy ;D
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True, and Onlyme is gone, so we'll never know :o
I say Shawn as well, met him a handful of times and he's cool and we have talked briefly.
Plus he's one good looking guy ;D
Well, never knew a Texan to not shy away from the truth
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in 97 nasser looked better in the RLS pose so ray only was better than him in the RDB pose that year!!..
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x2!
dont forget folks, Shawn ratted out his MOTHER to avoid a drugs charge, Shawn was the most arrogant egotistical BB to the fans and Shawn is a not a ladies man but a TRANNIES man, just ask "Sasha"
lot of people remember the truth about the drug charges :D
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Better bodybuilder and better physique, Shawn Ray or Nasser?
Apples and oranges...
Both at their best? Shawn Ray due to superior completeness and aesthetics, but Nasser has such an edge on size that it is very close. Both have shitty structures, so it boils down to who has the most complete package and most ideal bodybuilding look and that is Ray.
As I see it, Ray's superior balance, completeness and aesthetics win over Nasser's 40 lbs mass advantage just like Nasser wins over Kovacs's 40 lbs mass advantage for the same reasons...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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ray was not well proportioned in his lower body.. his quads (which were still worse than nasser's shape wise) were much better than his hams and especially his high small calves.. on the other size nasser had a very well proportioned lower body with the 3 leg parts going perfectly together in size and shape!!..
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ray was not well proportioned in his lower body.. his quads (which were still worse than nasser's shape wise) were much better than his hams and especially his high small calves.. on the other size nasser had a very well proportioned lower body with the 3 leg parts going perfectly together in size and shape!!..
Nasser was missing his entire back view, and Ray's quads were great. His calves were smalish but this balance flaw is not as bad as having 50 muscles missing - the entire back muscles complex.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Nasser was missing his entire back view, and Ray's quads were great. His calves were smalish but this balance flaw is not as bad as having 50 muscles missing - the entire back muscles complex.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
check the RLS comparison in 97 and dont tell me nasser looked that bad beside ray in this pose!!.. the only pose that was really affected by his lack of details in the back department is the RDB.. still his back had the width and size,.. we can't say it was the same case as dorian who had one really missing and deformed part.. mr. olympia with NO arm but still you hear those idiots who say it only affected him in one pose ::)
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A better comparison would be:
Cormier, Ray, or Nasser??
I say Cormier since we never say the very best. He came close in 99 Olympia.
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check the RLS comparison in 97 and dont tell me nasser looked that bad beside ray in this pose!!.. the only pose that was really affected by his lack of details in the back department is the RDB.. still his back had the width and size,.. we can't say it was the same case as dorian who had one really missing and deformed part.. mr. olympia with NO arm but still you hear those idiots who say it only affected him in one pose
Ok, let me refrase that. Nasser's back was "better" than Ray's in terms of absolute size, but it was small for his size. That means a lack of balance. Ray's back was also far superior in detail(muscle quality) as you could see his christmas-tree. You could say that Nasser wins back muscularity, but Ray's back was more in proportion and just plain better in terms of being able to actually see the muscles - Nasser's back was so smooth that you couldn't see even the separation between teres major, teres minor and latissimus dorsi which is the minimum you would expect from a pro bodybuilder in contest day. Ray was just better.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Shawn was a real ladies man yeah.
let me tell you a true story about Primadonna Egomaniac Shawn @ the IFBB World championships in 1986 held in melbourne, australia, told to me by former Ms Australia, Gillian Marusco.
Shawn was backstage like he owned the place.
Shawn was bitching and moaning to the organisers about the fact he had to share backstage space with everyone else and he wanted a room for himself to pump up and oil up. (sounds familiar to the onlyme/Keith story about Shawn in Hawaii)
So he took it on himself to take a room for himself.
anyway, Gillian was due to pose in about 20 minutes and there was no room except the room Shawn had claimed as his own.
She went in and politely asked Shawn if she could please use the room to get ready- Shawn wasnt due to be on stage for a couple of hours.
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They’re not even comparable.
Shawn Ray destroys Nasser on multiple levels. He was one of the all time greats, damn near flawless.
Nasser ::) . . . come on. He was an oil bag with no back.
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Shawn cockily refused telling Gillian to basically piss off.
Gillian went straight up to Shawn after that and bitch slapped him so hard he dropped like yesterday's paper.
THe noise from the slap was so loud everyone backstage rushed over to see what the commotion was about and there was LADIES MAN Shawn in a mess on the floor @ Gillian's feet.
Yeah, real class act that Shawn Ray :P
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Shawn was a real ladies man yeah.
let me tell you a true story about Primadonna Egomaniac Shawn @ the IFBB World championships in 1986 held in melbourne, australia, told to me by former Ms Australia, Gillian Marusco.
Shawn was backstage like he owned the place.
Shawn was bitching and moaning to the organisers about the fact he had to share backstage space with everyone else and he wanted a room for himself to pump up and oil up. (sounds familiar to the onlyme/Keith story about Shawn in Hawaii)
So he took it on himself to take a room for himself.
anyway, Gillian was due to pose in about 20 minutes and there was no room except the room Shawn had claimed as his own.
She went in and politely asked Shawn if she could please use the room to get ready- Shawn wasnt due to be on stage for a couple of hours.
aint it always the short ones with the big ears and big mouths
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I believe there is a story floating around about Sean Rey at the Koloseum being put on his ass when he tried to tell someone he was taking their bench. ;)
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at least spell it right....and maybe it was because Shawn was short yet was very talkative or "barked" a lot...he spoke up when Nasser was afraid to. Nasser only spoke when he was retired and could no longer place well
Good rebuttal. Nasser should have spoken up when Ray did and could of made a difference if it wasnt too late.
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Good rebuttal. Nasser should have spoken up when Ray did and could of made a difference if it wasnt too late.
yes , good rebuttal. but please educate us. when did Ray speak up ? like, what year ?
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aint it always the short ones with the big ears and big mouths
Shawn has a real Napoleon Complex going on
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I believe there is a story floating around about Sean Rey at the Koloseum being put on his ass when he tried to tell someone he was taking their bench. ;)
that was actually Golds Gym Venice when a guy clocked Shawn
put him on his ass with one punch
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that was actually Golds Gym Venice when a guy clocked Shawn
put him on his ass with one punch
Happened in Koloseum as well. ;) :D
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wouldnt surprise me @ all
Shawn likes to talk the talk but cant back up shit
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I believe there is a story floating around about Sean Rey at the Koloseum being put on his ass when he tried to tell someone he was taking their bench. ;)
Or maybe, someone wanted to put him on his ass...
Problem is, bbers are always big woofers, either they talk a good game, talk too much, or talk after the "I was gonna kick your ass"
BTW, here is Shawn talking about getting in shape...
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Or maybe, someone wanted to put him on his ass...
Problem is, bbers are always big woofers, either they talk a good game, talk too much, or talk after the "I was gonna kick your ass"
BTW, here is Shawn talking about getting in shape...
As the story goes......Sean wanted to use a specific bench, one that was being used by a competitive powerlifter, Sean tried to intimidate the powerlifter into using a different bench.......didn't work, and Sean ended up on his ass, literally.
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As the story goes......Sean wanted to use a specific bench, one that was being used by a competitive powerlifter, Sean tried to intimidate the powerlifter into using a different bench.......didn't work, and Sean ended up on his ass, literally.
I could see that, although, how is Shawn gonna intimidate a dude who more than likely was 3x bigger than him? Dude would have looked at him and said "Get In My Belly!"
that is assuming the PLifter was one of those big guys...
Unless one or both parties confirms it, or a reliable third party, it's just a rumor.
For instance, we know that Titus sucker punched Melvin because Titus was trying to proposition Melvin's woman Bea, and Melvin went to talk to him about it. How do we know, because both parties confirmed it.
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I could see that, although, how is Shawn gonna intimidate a dude who more than likely was 3x bigger than him? Dude would have looked at him and said "Get In My Belly!"
that is assuming the PLifter was one of those big guys...
Unless one or both parties confirms it, or a reliable third party, it's just a rumor.
For instance, we know that Titus sucker punched Melvin because Titus was trying to proposition Melvin's woman Bea, and Melvin went to talk to him about it. How do we know, because both parties confirmed it.
FYI this aint the WSJ or The Times of London. it's a freakin' internet board, ok? ::)
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I could see that, although, how is Shawn gonna intimidate a dude who more than likely was 3x bigger than him? Dude would have looked at him and said "Get In My Belly!"
that is assuming the PLifter was one of those big guys...
Unless one or both parties confirms it, or a reliable third party, it's just a rumor.
For instance, we know that Titus sucker punched Melvin because Titus was trying to proposition Melvin's woman Bea, and Melvin went to talk to him about it. How do we know, because both parties confirmed it.
I heard the story from at least 3 eyewitnesses, I think the dudes name was Greg and he gave Sean a little *nudge* and Sean went down onto his ass. Many, many people there told me stories of his arrogance and demanding behavior, taking equipment from people that he wanted to use, rude when walking around........a very "do you know who I am" kind of person. Now he was gone before I got there, but these are other peoples first hand experiences with the guy.
Parker.......why are you all defensive of Sean? Are you guys buddies or something?
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I heard the story from at least 3 eyewitnesses, I think the dudes name was Greg and he gave Sean a little *nudge* and Sean went down onto his ass. Many, many people there told me stories of his arrogance and demanding behavior, taking equipment from people that he wanted to use, rude when walking around........a very "do you know who I am" kind of person. Now he was gone before I got there, but these are other peoples first hand experiences with the guy.
Parker.......why are you all defensive of Sean? Are you guys buddies or something?
that jackass's arrogance is common knowledge LOL
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that jackass's arrogance is common knowledge LOL
I think Parker has a mancrush.
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I think Parker has a mancrush.
i agree, does this validate it ?
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I heard the story from at least 3 eyewitnesses, I think the dudes name was Greg and he gave Sean a little *nudge* and Sean went down onto his ass. Many, many people there told me stories of his arrogance and demanding behavior, taking equipment from people that he wanted to use, rude when walking around........a very "do you know who I am" kind of person. Now he was gone before I got there, but these are other peoples first hand experiences with the guy.
Parker.......why are you all defensive of Sean? Are you guys buddies or something?
Parker loves Shawn because shawn is black
Parker loves black BB's
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I heard the story from at least 3 eyewitnesses, I think the dudes name was Greg and he gave Sean a little *nudge* and Sean went down onto his ass. Many, many people there told me stories of his arrogance and demanding behavior, taking equipment from people that he wanted to use, rude when walking around........a very "do you know who I am" kind of person. Now he was gone before I got there, but these are other peoples first hand experiences with the guy.
Parker.......why are you all defensive of Sean? Are you guys buddies or something?
Thats what I'm getting at...the story man, the story. Too many people on here and on the Internet start shit with no proof, no validation and then it becomes "fact". For instance, Melvin Anthony beig a hairdresser, when he actually did pedicures, or that Flex had implants, when Shawn admitted it on here, that he made that up. I like real shit that people can back up.
I don't know Shawn, and from what I've heard from others who have met him he is cheap, and cocky...we all know that he is arrogant as well. But, as Alq Gurley had said, "Shawn is Mr. Bodybuilding"
****Remember Shawn and Flex had a severe love/hate relationship.
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dorian too got his share of punches :D
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:P
it does
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rather look liek shawn
nasser looks fat
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shawn ray was on the top 5 of the Olympia for what-12-15 years?
comparing him to nasser is not even a camparison. we all know how he looks now, and what he had in his shoulders and lats. that aint bodybuilding.
shawn ray, is bodybuilding. consistent, as hell, and complete head to toe.
hey, but what do i know, i am only the 1 percent who competes on this forum.
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shawn ray was on the top 5 of the Olympia for what-12-15 years?
comparing him to nasser is not even a camparison. we all know how he looks now, and what he had in his shoulders and lats. that aint bodybuilding.
shawn ray, is bodybuilding. consistent, as hell, and complete head to toe.
hey, but what do i know, i am only the 1 percent who competes on this forum.
who was more consistent is something and who was a better bb at his best is a totally different thing!!..
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who was more consistent is something and who was a better bb at his best is a totally different thing!!..
numnuts, not that you would know and it shows by your ignorant comment,
bodybuilding is about consistency. no matter how you place,
you need to do things over and over, meals, training, drug protocol, to reach the stage.
shawn was a better bodybuilder period. 15 year in the mix
will you see nasser in bbing hall of fame? no
will you see shawn? yes, he is already there.
now numnuts, what will you say next, that hall of fame is no measure of a great bodybuilder?
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numnuts, not that you would know and it shows by your ignorant comment,
bodybuilding is about consistency. no matter how you place,
you need to do things over and over, meals, training, drug protocol, to reach the stage.
now if you are able and can be consistent you just might reach the stage.
shawn was a better bodybuilder period. 15 year in the mix
will you see nasser in bbing hall of fame? no
will you see shawn? yes
now numnuts, what will you say next, that hall of fame is no measure of a great bodybuilder?
you are a big asshole and didnt get my point.. sure shawn had a better overall career than nasser and i cant argue in this but the argument before your stupid post was about who had a better physique at his best!!..
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better physique at his best ok i understand your question now,
and its still shawn, hands down
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better physique at his best ok i understand your question now,
and its still shawn, hands down
ok to have shawn's physique better than nasser's because both were from the same level and were always placed close to each other at the olympia in their best days but to say "hands down" you are really saying any shit and i am sure you can expain how you see ray better HANDS DOWN ::)
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well ill explain it for you a little better num nuts
when they opened up and drained nasser, how did he look from them on?
end of discussion
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Parker loves Shawn because shawn is black
Parker loves black BB's
that sounds almost racist
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one was short, the other was oily.
they both felt screwed. it's all opinnion.
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dorian too got his share of punches :D
So did Nasser's wife :-X
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ok to have shawn's physique better than nasser's because both were from the same level and were always placed close to each other at the olympia in their best days but to say "hands down" you are really saying any shit and i am sure you can expain how you see ray better HANDS DOWN ::)
Shawn beat Nasser 5 times to 3
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After seeing these photos...Shawn! Thank's Salami..
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After seeing these photos...Shawn! Thank's Salami..
does this mean before seeing them it was nasser!!.. you are both stupid and hater so your opinion doesnt carry any value..
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that was actually Golds Gym Venice when a guy clocked Shawn
put him on his ass with one punch
Wow.....your speaking style has changed dramatically....It's almost as if you are another person ;)
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Parker loves Shawn because shawn is black
Parker loves black BB's
Thats blatantly obvious.
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does this mean before seeing them it was nasser!!.. you are both stupid and hater so your opinion doesnt carry any value..
And your opinion does? What I meant (stupid bum)was I thoughtt Shawn before,but after seeing thee pics...IT WAS ABSOLUTELY SHAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You have a homosexual lust for Nassoil,so your opinion is doesn't matter ..
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And your opinion does? What I meant (stupid bum)was I thoughtt Shawn before,but after seeing thee pics...IT WAS ABSOLUTELY SHAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You have a homosexual lust for Nassoil,so your opinion is doesn't matter ..
You hate Nasser on a personal level so obviously your opinion is meaningless in this subject.
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You hate Nasser on a personal level so obviously your opinion is meaningless in this subject.
that's right and add to this he doesn't know anything in bb (and i am sure in general) so has no opinion at all!!.. this asshole comes here only to say shit about nasser and his posts are very boring and stupid that nearly no one notices or comments on!!.. there are others of course who say shit about nasser but at least some of them are funny and all of them post in all threads and not just nasser's thread!!..
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Ok, let's break down all that which is evaluated during a bodybuilding contest and see how Shawn and Nasser compare. What are the criteria used to evaluate professional bodybuilding physiques by I.F.B.B standards? These are the criteria that are evaluated:
Muscularity:
- Muscle development - the size of the muscles
- Muscular quality - how defined, dense and striated the muscle is.
- Muscular aesthetics - just one thing: the roundness of the muscle. The rounder the muscle, the prettier it is.
Symmetry: divided in muscular symmetry, called balance, and skeletal symmetry called "frame":
Muscular symmetry - how proportional the muscles of one side of the body are to the corresponding muscle on the other side of the body, and how proportioal in size all the muscles are compared to each other. For instance, if both your delts are exactly the same size but overpower the pectorals, then they have good symmetry but lack balance.
Skeletal symmetry - how proportional the legs are in length to the torso, the clavicles in relation to the previous two things, and the arms in relation to the previous four things.
All these things are judged at once in both the symmetry round and the muscularity round(the mandatories). So it would be foolish to compare them in all mandatories and quarter turns instead of evaluating how they add up in the critera I mentioned.
If we compare Nasser and Ray, we must compare them at their best which for Nasser would be his 1999 ASC form and for Ray his 1987 NPC Nationals form. So how do they compare? Let's break it down by assigning 1 point for each category and then adding up.
Muscularity:
Muscular development - Nasser wins hands down, and even though this is due mostly to his much larger frame, it doesen't matter +1N
Muscular quality - Ray wins although not by a huge margin. At his best, Ray is more defined, dense and striated than Nasser overral. +1R
Muscular aesthetics - Ray wins hands down. Not even debateable. Nasser is blocky. +1R
Symmetry:
Muscular symmetry - Ray wins although not by a huge margin. Ray had great symmetry and balance in his muscles except for his small calves. Nasser was missing the entire back complex compared to his monstrous deltoid, pec and especially quadriceps. The back has almost 40 muscles. A severe balance problem. +1R
Skeletal symmetry - Nasser wins. Both Nasser and Ray have torsos that are too long for their legs, but Ray's were worst. Ray also had narrow clavicles, whilst Nasser had superbly wide ones. +1N
So Ray scores +3 and Nasser scores +2.
In conclusion: Ray at his best is better than Nasser, but this is made hard because I am ascribing equal points to all categories, but lots of people would say that muscular development should receive more than +1 point since it is called bodybuilding. But if we are unbiased and take into consideration all things that make up a bodybuilder, Shawn at his best beats Nasser. So there you have it.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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that's right and add to this he doesn't know anything in bb (and i am sure in general) so has no opinion at all!!.. this asshole comes here only to say shit about nasser and his posts are very boring and stupid that nearly no one notices or comments on!!.. there are others of course who say shit about nasser but at least some of them are funny and all of them post in all threads and not just nasser's thread!!..
Yeah his insults seem very hateful and childish with no real basis, humor or theory behind them. He should at least attempt to be funny to entertain us if anything.
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Ok, let's break down all that which is evaluated during a bodybuilding contest and see how Shawn and Nasser compare. What are the criteria used to evaluate professional bodybuilding physiques by I.F.B.B standards? These are the criteria that are evaluated:
Muscularity:
- Muscle development - the size of the muscles
- Muscular quality - how defined, dense and striated the muscle is.
- Muscular aesthetics - just one thing: the roundness of the muscle. The rounder the muscle, the prettier it is.
Symmetry: divided in muscular symmetry, called balance, and skeletal symmetry called "frame":
Muscular symmetry - how proportional the muscles of one side of the body are to the corresponding muscle on the other side of the body, and how proportioal in size all the muscles are compared to each other. For instance, if both your delts are exactly the same size but overpower the pectorals, then they have good symmetry but lack balance.
Skeletal symmetry - how proportional the legs are in length to the torso, the clavicles in relation to the previous two things, and the arms in relation to the previous four things.
All these things are judged at once in both the symmetry round and the muscularity round(the mandatories). So it would be foolish to compare them in all mandatories and quarter turns instead of evaluating how they add up in the critera I mentioned.
If we compare Nasser and Ray, we must compare them at their best which for Nasser would be his 1999 ASC form and for Ray his 1987 NPC Nationals form. So how do they compare? Let's break it down by assigning 1 point for each category and then adding up.
Muscularity:
Muscular development - Nasser wins hands down, and even though this is due mostly to his much larger frame, it doesen't matter +1N
Muscular quality - Ray wins although not by a huge margin. At his best, Ray is more defined, dense and striated than Nasser overral. +1R
Muscular aesthetics - Ray wins hands down. Not even debateable. Nasser is blocky. +1R
Symmetry:
Muscular symmetry - Ray wins although not by a huge margin. Ray had great symmetry and balance in his muscles except for his small calves. Nasser was missing the entire back complex compared to his monstrous deltoid, pec and especially quadriceps. The back has almost 40 muscles. A severe balance problem. +1R
Skeletal symmetry - Nasser wins. Both Nasser and Ray have torsos that are too long for their legs, but Ray's were worst. Ray also had narrow clavicles, whilst Nasser had superbly wide ones. +1N
So Ray scores +3 and Nasser scores +2.
In conclusion: Ray at his best is better than Nasser, but this is made hard because I am ascribing equal points to all categories, but lots of people would say that muscular development should receive more than +1 point since it is called bodybuilding. But if we are unbiased and take into consideration all things that make up a bodybuilder, Shawn at his best beats Nasser. So there you have it.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
are you sure nasser's best was AC 99 and ray's best was in 1987?!!.. ::)..
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The people who prefer Shawn over Nasser are likely the same ones who prefer the fitness build over the bodybuilder.
It's apples and oranges.
IMO Nasser at his best eats Shawn alive, it looks like placing a heavyweight next to a middleweight.
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Nasser @ the 95 NOC and Shawn @ the 94 O....Both had Great Physiques in their day perhaps their best ever they appeared @ a Show.
How do you answer who had a "better Physique" out of those too? the Question should be Whos Physique impress's you more or who your Ideal is... looking @ those 2 @ there best not a Huge fan of Ether of them, they both had somewhat Short Legs in relation to their Torso's which throws their atheistic's off, Looking @ the Complete Physique as a Whole including Mass (in relation to there OWN structures) Lines, Detail, muscle flow and the WAY THEY PRESENTED the Physique in the STAGE PRESENTATION and Posing etc, hard to go past Ray, if your after the Mass Factor well Obviously Nasser gets the Nod, ether way it comes down to YOUR IDEAL in a Physique and how YOU see it, as theres no way in Hell you will Convince others of who had a Better Physique.
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Nasser @ the 95 NOC and Shawn @ the 94 O....
i agree than nasser at NOC 95 presented his best shape ever at 260 lbs and also at huston pro. show less than a month earlier at 268 pounds.. his shape at these 2 shows imo was clearly better than his shape at mr. olympia 97 which is considered by many his best shape!!..
first 2 pics from the NOC and the 3rd is from huston..
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They’re not even comparable.
this.
no comparision...
shawn all the way
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its quite clear who the bigger one is (Ray) but when it comes to asthetics its also quite clear who is sharper (nasser).
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are you sure nasser's best was AC 99 and ray's best was in 1987?!!....
Sure. Ray never looked as good as he did when he turned pro at the 1987 NPC Nationals, except for maybe the night show and posing rounds at the 96'Olympia - he peaked for the night show and not for pre-judging.
And it doesen't matter. Pick whatever versions of Nasser and Shawn and the outcome is the same. Nasser had pretty much nothing but sheer size on Ray. At everything else that counts in making a bodybuilder, Shawn was better. Saying that Nasser should beat Shawn is like saying that Kovacs should beat Nasser. All the advantages that Ray has on Nasser, the latter has on Kovacs.
Your problem is that you prefer Nasser for ethnic/nationalistic/religious reasons, so it is pointless debating with you. Your objectivity is severely compromised by your bias. Nasser can never ever fail in your eyes.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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that's right and add to this he doesn't know anything in bb (and i am sure in general) so has no opinion at all!!.. this asshole comes here only to say shit about nasser and his posts are very boring and stupid that nearly no one notices or comments on!!.. there are others of course who say shit about nasser but at least some of them are funny and all of them post in all threads and not just nasser's thread!!..
You don't know sh!t,you bum.... I am a huge Bodybuilding fan.. Just not a homosexual lust that you and the rest of team "@$$hole" have over washed up losers.. Looking at washed up bodybuilders does nothing for me.. It makes me no richer or poorer.. So do I give a $hit..? Nope! So Phuck you and the rest of your Phaggoty crew..
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You don't know sh!t,you bum.... I am a huge Bodybuilding fan.. Just not a homosexual lust that you and the rest of team "@$$hole" have over washed up losers.. Looking at washed up bodybuilders does nothing for me.. It makes me no richer or poorer.. So do I give a $hit..? Nope! So Phuck you and the rest of your Phaggoty crew..
ROFL. That ought to be t-shirts, everywhere.
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Sure. Ray never looked as good as he did when he turned pro at the 1987 NPC Nationals, except for maybe the night show and posing rounds at the 96'Olympia - he peaked for the night show and not for pre-judging.
And it doesen't matter. Pick whatever versions of Nasser and Shawn and the outcome is the same. Nasser had pretty much nothing but sheer size on Ray. At everything else that counts in making a bodybuilder, Shawn was better. Saying that Nasser should beat Shawn is like saying that Kovacs should beat Nasser. All the advantages that Ray has on Nasser, the latter has on Kovacs.
Your problem is that you prefer Nasser for ethnic/nationalistic/religious reasons, so it is pointless debating with you. Your objectivity is severely compromised by your bias. Nasser can never ever fail in your eyes.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
so if you see it's pointless to debate with me why did you comment in details on my post??.. you are wrong in everything and i too dont like to argue with ppl like you who assume something and believe it!!..
so if i like nasser only because of his nationality and religion it was more proper for me to support mustafa mahmoud who is 100% arab and not half arab like nasser.. mostafa was a great bb and very underrated so i could try to show this as much as i could but i didnt simply because i am not a big fan of his physique.. and as for nasser's religion i know he is not a practicing muslim and i really dont care what anyone believes in,.. i like good ppl whatever their religion is..
i like nasser very much because i was following him in the magazines during my teenage so he reminds me now of the good old days.. sure i like to exaggerate things here about nasser and anyone with some brain knows well it's all for fun or the board will be boring as your long posts!!..
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so if you see it's pointless to debate with me why did you comment in details on my post??..
I wasn't arguing with you. I was giving my opinion on who would win Ray vs Nasser at their bests as the I.F.B.B would judge it.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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its quite clear who the bigger one is (Ray) but when it comes to asthetics its also quite clear who is sharper (nasser).
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Or did you do this on purpose...sarcasm...
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Or did you do this on purpose...sarcasm...
no i think he was addressing each of them by his name!!..
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Ray have torsos that are too long for their legs. Ray also had narrow clavicles
absolutely false. He hasn't a torso too long for his legs, neither narrow clavicles.
I wonder if we are interrested in the same sport.
it seems that you have some concerns with the concept of proportion and perspective.
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The people who prefer Shawn over Nasser are likely the same ones who prefer the fitness build over the bodybuilder.
It's apples and oranges.
IMO Nasser at his best eats Shawn alive, it looks like placing a heavyweight next to a middleweight.
Mr.Bobs... I will answer you respectfully,because you sir ...are a man of respect.. Ray held his own,and beat a ton of the bigger guys.. He did this convincingly.. He was also much smarter.. How could he understand that size was not all that important? All the educated bigger guys,(so called) just kept upping their doses and shoving oil in body parts that could not catch up? I'm not a friend,or worship of neither of these men(like others on here).. But people on here do not judge fairly.. Some allow their blind lust and race come in,and judge on just that.. Now sir..I believe,no matter what the case may be,you are a loyal individual,and would never say anything negative about your friend.. And the others are just weak followers and will go with whatever you say..
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i agree than nasser at NOC 95 presented his best shape ever at 260 lbs and also at huston pro. show less than a month earlier at 268 pounds.. his shape at these 2 shows imo was clearly better than his shape at mr. olympia 97 which is considered by many his best shape!!..
first 2 pics from the NOC and the 3rd is from huston..
i can feel the man love alex23 n you have for nasser. it's almost BayGBMish which is troubling.
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i can feel the man love alex23 n you have for nasser. it's almost BayGBMish which is troubling.
Mr.Thang speaks the truth!
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Mr.Thang speaks the truth!
mr. worm you are boring above the norm :-X
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mr. worm you are boring above the norm :-X
And you are predictable..
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midget class shawn
standard class nasser
cant compare the two
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Ok, let's break down all that which is evaluated during a bodybuilding contest and see how Shawn and Nasser compare. What are the criteria used to evaluate professional bodybuilding physiques by I.F.B.B standards? These are the criteria that are evaluated:
Muscularity:
- Muscle development - the size of the muscles
- Muscular quality - how defined, dense and striated the muscle is.
- Muscular aesthetics - just one thing: the roundness of the muscle. The rounder the muscle, the prettier it is.
Symmetry: divided in muscular symmetry, called balance, and skeletal symmetry called "frame":
Muscular symmetry - how proportional the muscles of one side of the body are to the corresponding muscle on the other side of the body, and how proportioal in size all the muscles are compared to each other. For instance, if both your delts are exactly the same size but overpower the pectorals, then they have good symmetry but lack balance.
Skeletal symmetry - how proportional the legs are in length to the torso, the clavicles in relation to the previous two things, and the arms in relation to the previous four things.
All these things are judged at once in both the symmetry round and the muscularity round(the mandatories). So it would be foolish to compare them in all mandatories and quarter turns instead of evaluating how they add up in the critera I mentioned.
If we compare Nasser and Ray, we must compare them at their best which for Nasser would be his 1999 ASC form and for Ray his 1987 NPC Nationals form. So how do they compare? Let's break it down by assigning 1 point for each category and then adding up.
Muscularity:
Muscular development - Nasser wins hands down, and even though this is due mostly to his much larger frame, it doesen't matter +1N
Muscular quality - Ray wins although not by a huge margin. At his best, Ray is more defined, dense and striated than Nasser overral. +1R
Muscular aesthetics - Ray wins hands down. Not even debateable. Nasser is blocky. +1R
Symmetry:
Muscular symmetry - Ray wins although not by a huge margin. Ray had great symmetry and balance in his muscles except for his small calves. Nasser was missing the entire back complex compared to his monstrous deltoid, pec and especially quadriceps. The back has almost 40 muscles. A severe balance problem. +1R
Skeletal symmetry - Nasser wins. Both Nasser and Ray have torsos that are too long for their legs, but Ray's were worst. Ray also had narrow clavicles, whilst Nasser had superbly wide ones. +1N
So Ray scores +3 and Nasser scores +2.
In conclusion: Ray at his best is better than Nasser, but this is made hard because I am ascribing equal points to all categories, but lots of people would say that muscular development should receive more than +1 point since it is called bodybuilding. But if we are unbiased and take into consideration all things that make up a bodybuilder, Shawn at his best beats Nasser. So there you have it.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Good post.
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so if i like nasser only because of his nationality and religion it was more proper for me to support mustafa mahmoud who is 100% arab and not half arab like nasser..
Because Nasser was way better. You are picking the best Arabic bodybuilder. You know that if you picked Mustafa few people would support you since there are so many better bodybuilders. But Nasser is one of the greats, so you chose him because he is the best bodybuilder of Arabic descent so he serves as a much better example of bodybuilding "Arab greatness". Simple as that. These are your criterias in descending order of importance:
1. The race/nationality/religion of the bodybuilder.
2. The best bodybuilder among your favorite(Arabic) race/nationality.
Do you really expect us to believe that you, Big Bobs and Sharma, who are all of Arabic descent, prefer the Arabic bodybuilder over all others simply because you prefer his physique? Do you think we are stupid?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Because Nasser was way better. You are picking the best Arabic bodybuilder. You know that if you picked Mustafa few people would support you since there are so many better bodybuilders. But Nasser is one of the greats, so you chose him because he is the best bodybuilder of Arabic descent so he serves as a much better example of bodybuilding "Arab greatness". Simple as that. These are your criterias in descending order of importance:
1. The race/nationality/religion of the bodybuilder.
2. The best bodybuilder among your favorite(Arabic) race/nationality.
Do you really expect us to believe that you, Big Bobs and Sharma, who are all of Arabic descent, prefer the Arabic bodybuilder over all others simply because you prefer his physique? Do you think we are stupid?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
and what is the problem to support him more because of his arab/egyptian origin since i am egyptian??!!.. can you blame an english man for supporting dorian more than the US bbs?!.. ::)
but i like him mainly because of his great physique (as a bb - no homo) and the fact that his father is egyptian doesnt mean i support him blindly,.. i said before many times that dorian deserved to win mr. olympia 95 and i never said that nasser deserved better places when he started to look bad..
my favorite bb from the 80s is lee haney and not mohamed makkawy who is 100% egyptian and who was a very great bb too (2 times mr. olympia runner up).. but still my very favorite from this era is haney and i never said makkawy deserved to win any sandow on the contrary i see that haney deserved to come 2nd instead of makkawy and not 3rd in mr. olympia 1983!!..
also i like samir bannout (as a bb) more than makkawy and yes both are arabs but samir is christian!!..
so believe it or not neither the nationality nor the religion of any bb affects my opinion about him but they may make me support him more when he deserves and this is very normal and not doing so is the strange thing..
also dont tell me that all the assholes here who say shit about nasser all the time really see him a bad bb and dont hate him because of his religion and origins ::)..
nasser was really lucky he came in the 90s and not after sep. 11, 2001!!.. :-\
by the way big bobs is pakistani and pakistan is not arab :-X.. go and learn some geography or you are another one who thinks that dubai is in india and austria is a brief of australia :-X..
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and what is the problem to support him more because of his arab/egyptian origin since i am egyptian??!!.. can you blame an english man for supporting dorian more than the US bbs?!..
but i like him mainly because of his great physique (as a bb - no homo) and the fact that his father is egyptian doesnt mean i support him blindly,.. i said before many times that dorian deserved to win mr. olympia 95 and i never said that nasser deserved better places when he started to look bad..
my favorite bb from the 80s is lee haney and not mohamed makkawy who is 100% egyptian and who was a very great bb too (2 times mr. olympia runner up).. but still my very favorite from this era is haney and i never said makkawy deserved to win any sandow on the contrary i see that haney deserved to come 2nd instead of makkawy and not 3rd in mr. olympia 1983!!..
also i like samir bannout (as a bb) more than makkawy and yes both are arabs but samir is christian!!..
so believe it or not neither the nationality nor the religion of any bb affects my opinion about him but they may make me support him more when he deserves and this is very normal and not doing so is the strange thing..
also dont tell me that all the assholes here who say shit about nasser all the time really see him a bad bb and dont hate him because of his religion and origins..
nasser was really lucky he came in the 90s and not after sep. 11, 2001!!.. :-\
by the way big bobs is pakistani and pakistan is not arab :-X.. go and learn some geography or you are another one who thinks that dubai is in india and austria is a brief of australia :-X..
You shouldn't prefer a bodybuilder because he belongs to your race. That is really petty and reveals a character flaw you posses.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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and what is the problem to support him more because of his arab/egyptian origin since i am egyptian??!!.. can you blame an english man for supporting dorian more than the US bbs?!.. ::)
but i like him mainly because of his great physique (as a bb - no homo) and the fact that his father is egyptian doesnt mean i support him blindly,.. i said before many times that dorian deserved to win mr. olympia 95 and i never said that nasser deserved better places when he started to look bad..
my favorite bb from the 80s is lee haney and not mohamed makkawy who is 100% egyptian and who was a very great bb too (2 times mr. olympia runner up).. but still my very favorite from this era is haney and i never said makkawy deserved to win any sandow on the contrary i see that haney deserved to come 2nd instead of makkawy and not 3rd in mr. olympia 1983!!..
also i like samir bannout (as a bb) more than makkawy and yes both are arabs but samir is christian!!..
so believe it or not neither the nationality nor the religion of any bb affects my opinion about him but they may make me support him more when he deserves and this is very normal and not doing so is the strange thing..
also dont tell me that all the assholes here who say shit about nasser all the time really see him a bad bb and dont hate him because of his religion and origins ::)..
nasser was really lucky he came in the 90s and not after sep. 11, 2001!!.. :-\
by the way big bobs is pakistani and pakistan is not arab :-X.. go and learn some geography or you are another one who thinks that dubai is in india and austria is a brief of australia :-X..
I see where you are coming from and i have no problem with someone exhibiting racial or cultural pride.
But the fact is ...whether you admit it or not....that if Nasser's name was James Watson and he was the same exact person, except he came from Ohio....there wouldn't even be a "Team Watson"
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You shouldn't prefer a bodybuilder because he belongs to your race. That is really petty and reveals a character flaw you posses.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
you understand nothing of what i said and as you said before it's pointless to have any argument between us..
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I see where you are coming from and i have no problem with someone exhibiting racial or cultural pride.
But the fact is ...whether you admit it or not....that if Nasser's name was James Watson and he was the same exact person, except he came from Ohio....there wouldn't even be a "Team Watson"
sure and i dont deny this but this doesn't mean i wouldn't have supported mr. watson saying it was injustice to lose in front of one armed pregnant bb in 1997!!.. i did many threads before to show injustices against many bbs like victor martines, padila, aron paker and more although i am not a big fan of any of them (except padila)..
and i dont think i need to always say that this team nasser thing is all for fun ::)
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you understand nothing of what i said and as you said before it's pointless to have any argument between us..
It's very simple to understand. You like Nasser because he is of the same ethnic background as yourself. You are a racist. This is not rocket science.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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It's very simple to understand. You like Nasser because he is of the same ethnic background as yourself. You are a racist. This is not rocket science.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
and you hate him because of his ethnic background and if he was from ohio and his name was watson you wouldn't have cared that much!!.. you are a racist.. this is not building the pyramids more than 3000 years ago when the rest of the world including your country was eating raw pigs to live :-X
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and you hate him because of his ethnic background
Not really. Samir Bannout is one of my favorite 5 bodybuilders and I actually admire Arabs for the way they keep their women under control. And most Arabs have been the friendliest people I've ever met. Much more pleasant than Northern European germanic/teutonic races and their descendants who tend to be cold, impersonal and robotic.
and if he was from ohio and his name was watson you wouldn't have cared that much!!..
Sure I would if the guy worshipping him were white and he prefered "Watson" over a better bodybuilder of other race. That would be racist.
you are a racist..
No. Clearly, you are the racist.
this is not building the pyramids more than 3000 years ago when the rest of the world including your country was eating raw pigs to live :-X
Actually, the pyramids were built by Hamitic neolithic tribes that have very little in common with modern Arabs. But it doesen't matter. I am an individualist and don't take pride in racial or nationalistic feats and what the West has accomplished over the last 200 years easily surpasses what the Arabs have achieved in 5,000 years of recorded history.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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hey shareif
humans didnt build the pyramids.
you cumbubble
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and you hate him because of his ethnic background and if he was from ohio and his name was watson you wouldn't have cared that much!!.. you are a racist.. this is not building the pyramids more than 3000 years ago when the rest of the world including your country was eating raw pigs to live :-X
That's not really true Sharief.
Before Team Nasser came around nobody had much to say about Nasser, he was regarded as one of the best guys from the 90's who never won the o because his back was lagging, and Dorian probably got a gift at his expense in 97...That was about the extent of the "nasser talk" around here.
I can remember when Team Nasser first started their shenanigans....we were all like "Ok.....Nasser was a good BBer, and you guys like Nasser....we get it" and the rest is history ;D
Nobody was shopping Nasser pics, calling him El Synthol-boty and saying "one eye on autopilot" before you guys came around....and that is the 100% unbiased truth
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It all boils down to your perspective of what bodybuilding should exemplify-- Attainment of Physical Perfection
Now the theme in this thread is practically about-- Does one want to look like a "Greek God" or a "Mass Monster" ?
I choose the Greek God(Shawn Ray physique resemblance) -which is more likely favorable to mainstream america and the rest of the world(and also golden era when people gave more of an acceptance to bodybuilding)--- Nasser at his best would be seen as a chemical abomination to 9/10 people (id say even more) yet he does adhere to contemporary standards (But has that--"He def is on drugs look)--- WHICH is WHY PEOPLE ARE DISGUSTED W BODYBUILDING--and is not accepted..n will never be if this continues
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i can feel the man love alex23 n you have for nasser. it's almost BayGBMish which is troubling.
Man love? You mean respect.
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I prefer the balanced and proportioned physique that had good flow such as shown by nasser. being so big that you can barely get dressed is also right up my alley.
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Sherief Shalabi, Sharma and Big Bobs are racists. They love Nasser not because of his physique but because he is of their same race. Or do they expect us to believe that 3 Arabic guys would all prefer the one Arabic pro bodybuilder over all others just because they prefer his physique? How gullible to these racists think we are?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Shawn Ray is African-American. He can NEVER look Greek
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Watch Shawn's "Inside & Out" and "The Final Countdown" DVD's.
They're among the best bodybuilding vids out there.
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I prefer the balanced and proportioned physique that had good flow such as shown by nasser. being so big that you can barely get dressed is also right up my alley.
so fucking outed.
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so fucking outed.
it's only gay if you want it to be
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Nasser was great, but Shawn Ray all day.
(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/6808/shawn20ray2019yo4.jpg)
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_4cA84Xkh6CQ/TEomklazyFI/AAAAAAAAABM/-HBIi-UWW_o/Shawn%20Ray%5B9%5D.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/TG5n3y6GNYI/AAAAAAAAMtk/Tg8av5p9kLg/s1600/Shawn+Ray+-+013++-+www.musclebase.blogspot.com.JPG)
(http://www.benchpresschampion.com/PHOTOS/MENBODYBUILDING/ShawnRay.jpg)
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and you hate him because of his ethnic background and if he was from ohio and his name was watson you wouldn't have cared that much!!.. you are a racist.. this is not building the pyramids more than 3000 years ago when the rest of the world including your country was eating raw pigs to live :-X
Nothing wrong with eating pigs...
And shouldn't you be rioting right now? Nasser ain't that important to neglect a Revolution.
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Shawn Ray
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Definately Shawn El Sonbaty, although Nasser Ray is a close second.