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I have been using his tri-set routine for biceps and it's working fking great! It consists of a tri-set of db preacher curls to barbell preacher curls to reverse ez-bar curls. Insane. Read here and give it a shot, I have somewhat crappy arms and I am always looking for new routines. This one works great. I alternate with a POF workout and go back and forth. Also just today did I start getting the burns in at the end of each set, sht is tough!!!
http://www.larryscott.com/bio/newsletter/97summer_1.cfm
Best Lower Bicep Routine I've Found
"Look at the unflexed arm. Notice how the long head and lower bicep just draw your eyes to it?"
We’ll be talking about Lower Biceps, Long head of Tricep, Forearms, Vastus Internus, Thigh Biceps and Calves. By the way... we’re not just talking about making these muscles larger but unique ways to make them more beautiful. I’ll admit, writing about arms is almost anti-climactic. I’ve written so much about them in the past but... there’s no question, its impossible to pull your eyes away from a great set of arms that’s why they’re included in the Nine Pivot Points.
Arms don’t have to be huge to be crowd stoppers. They do have to be beautiful however and... when it comes to biceps lower bicep is the stunner.
When I first started training at Vince’s Gym I felt intimidated by almost everyone because so many guys were bigger than me but... there was one in particular by the name of Hossein Soukoff who wasn’t that huge but... man he had good muscle shape. Especially his lower bicep. It was uncanny. His best photo was a shot where he would flex one arm and stick the other one straight up overhead in a position where the bicep was at a disadvantage but... his weren’t because, right where his bicep started... it jumped out like a shelf.
It made you keep turning back to the picture. You couldn’t get enough of it. You’d stick yours up in the same position just to compare and it made you marvel all the more.
I don’t know whether Hossein had some secret way of training or it was just his genetics because he’d never say. One day I asked him, “Hossein, what’s your secret for biceps”.
“Oh, I just do a few curls now and then.” Then he would look over at Vince and smile. I never knew whether he was putting me on but... I sure was crazy about his bicep development. Matter of fact, I’ve long been fascinated with biceps and having Hossein around just added fuel to the fire. Consequently, I tried every conceivable thing to build lower biceps and after 25 years here’s...
The Best Lower Bicep Routine I’ve Ever Found
"A Great Preacher Bench! "
First you’ve got to have a pretty good Preacher Bench.
Over the years I’ve welded, padded and refined the design of this little bench to where it is as close to perfection as anything I’ve seen.
I’ve learned, when it’s designed right it’s great. If not, it’s lousy. In fact, many exercises do a better job than one of those hard, flat faced, preacher benches.
But... let’s assume you have a bench with at least a convex face. If you’ve got this much you can have some fun. The key to this exercise working its magic requires doing the exercise while standing so you can throw your hips under you when the weight gets heavy.
The most effective system is a tri-set series as follows:
First, select a set of dumbbells you can handle for about 6 reps... a barbell about 70% of the weight of the dumbbells and an EZ curl bar loaded to 80% of the weight of the dumbbells. For example I use 70 lb dumbbells, a 100 lb barbell and 120lb on the EZ curl bar.
"The DB Curls are done with the elbows about half way down the bench."
Once you get this setup, you’re ready for some serious work. It’s best if you have a training partner because it gives you a better pace.
First, place a towel on the bench to keep your skin from catching. Start off with the DB curls in a fairly loose style. Don’t get the armpits right down on the bench. Place the elbows just a little lower than the crown of the bench. For this to work, the face of the bench needs to be not only curved but short enough to keep the dumbbells from hitting the bottom of the face. It doesn’t matter if you cheat to get the dumbbells up. You do however, need to let the dumbbells all the way down and completely uncurl the wrists at the bottom of the exercise. It’s okay to pull back with the shoulders to assist in getting the weight back to the top of the exercise. The 6th rep should really be tough, it should be just about the last rep possible even on the first series. Once at the top of the 6th rep, do at least (4) 1\2 rep “burns”.
A “burn” is done as follows... Let the weight down to the point that it’s just going to fall and bring it back up again. By the way, if your bench has a flat face, this movement is terrible. It hurts your forearms and elbows. You need to have the rounded face for this to feel good.
Next, set the DB’s down and immediately, with no rest, pick up the barbell with a grip approximately 4 inches wider than your shoulders. Chalk the palms heavily to keep from slipping. Nestle the armpits clear down on the bench, (the bench needs to be well padded on the crown to eliminate any armpit pain). Let the feet go
"BB curls are done super strict, with the armpits all the way down the bench."
forward so you are resting on the bench with the body. Slowly lower the BB with the wrists curled until you come to the complete bottom of the exercise. Uncurl the wrists totally. Then with no movement of the upper body whatsoever, slowly curl the wrists and force the arms to come up. Don’t cheat even a smidgen. Keep the shoulders and the head forward. Look for ways to make this exercise strict. The bar will come up very slowly, but it will come up if you... have faith and endure the pain...
It is excruciating. But it’s the heart of the series. Don’t cheat at all. Do 6 reps with 4 burns on the top as you did with the DB’s.
Set the barbell down and immediately pick up the EZ curl bar with a reverse grip. The weight should be so heavy you can just barely make 6 reps. This form is very similar to the one you used for the DB curls. Use a heavy weight just as you did on the DB curls. Do 6 reps and 4 burns with the EZ curl bar.
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you say you have somewhat crappy arms yet you also say you will turn pro naturally within 3 years ::)
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you say you have somewhat crappy arms yet you also say you will turn pro naturally within 3 years ::)
Yup correct. Mine are so bad they make Dan Hills look like Ronnies.
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Its sounds like the great Larry Scott not only invented the preacher curl but also what many consider the "Slow Blow" when he worshiped the cock of Hussein Soukoff :-\
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works great eh?
how can you tell?
what compared to?
if you are saying that youve measured your gains versus other routines then exactly how much better is it- and over what time frame?
you do realise that you cant target "lower biceps" dont you?
it either contracts , or it doesnt. genetics determines if you have a long full (lower) bicep, and any other bi shape.
we've moved on from the days where old skool BB claimed such ridiculous things as inner and outer pecs, exercises for different parts of each tri head and so on. science has proven that it contracts along its entire length, or it doesnt contract..
no such thing as a "tie in", and being able to work specifically on it, and so on.
genius?- hardly. inventive more like it.
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works great eh?
how can you tell?
what compared to?
if you are saying that youve measured your gains versus other routines then exactly how much better is it- and over what time frame?
you do realise that you cant target "lower biceps" dont you?
it either contracts , or it doesnt. genetics determines if you have a long full (lower) bicep, and any other bi shape.
we've moved on from the days where old skool BB claimed such ridiculous things as inner and outer pecs, exercises for different parts of each tri head and so on. science has proven that it contracts along its entire length, or it doesnt contract..
no such thing as a "tie in", and being able to work specifically on it, and so on.
genius?- hardly. inventive more like it.
I compare it to the results I have seen over 16 years of training. I have an issue with my forearms, they tend to take over and while I can feel a small biceps burn from time to time for the most part they do not grow as well as they should. With this routine I get excruciating pain and a killer pump, it is definitely working. I alternate with good ol POF, barbell curls incline db curls and db concentration curls (unsupported). I am also going to try doing my barbell curls with a false grip to see if that activates my biceps more.
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Larry Scott is the best technical guy ever for exercise execution. You need the special curve on the bench. Larry was quite ordinary until he figured out new ways to get bigger and bigger. Dianabol didn't build those arms, his workouts did. It amazes me that complete nobodies will argue stuff they have absolutely no clue about. Oh, I forgot, even the flotsam are experts in bodybuilding.
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Larry Scott is the best technical guy ever for exercise execution. You need the special curve on the bench. Larry was quite ordinary until he figured out new ways to get bigger and bigger. Dianabol didn't build those arms, his workouts did. It amazes me that complete nobodies will argue stuff they have absolutely no clue about. Oh, I forgot, even the flotsam are experts in bodybuilding.
bullshit.
good bicep genes and drugs built those arms...he could have done 3 sets of any curling movement once a week and still would have had great biceps.
ive tried ALL this exercise shit for my bis but the fact is mine insert at least an inch above my elbow, even pumped they look mediocre. lots of guys have low bicep inserts, they do not even have to workout to have some bicep sweep; if your inserts are really high, no amount of 'technique' or 'secret exercise of the pros' is going to give you good biceps.
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It is refreshing to hear from a real bodybuilding expert.
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It is refreshing to hear from a real bodybuilding expert.
I was just thinking that.... no, wait, I was just thinking that I dont care what anyone has to say about bodybuilding. Yep thats it.
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It is refreshing to hear from a real bodybuilding expert.
While your comment wasn't directed toward me, I must admit that I have been around as long or longer than you and it is a fact that Larry Scott took dope. Drugs made him a great bodybuilder. Without that shit he would have remained above average and that's about it. Is Larry a nice guy? Yes. Did/does he have excellent insertion points in his biceps? Yes. Would he have been Mr. Olympia without drugs? No.
He wouldn't have won Mr. Boiled Peanut Festival without that shit coursing through his veins.
And that doesn't take an expert to know, but it does require an honest person to admit to it.
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And that doesn't take an expert to know, but it does require an honest person to admit to it.
Basile = honest retard
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In before, "anyone can have biceps like Larry Scott, as long as they use proper form and progressive overload" post from tbombz.
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While your comment wasn't directed toward me, I must admit that I have been around as long or longer than you and it is a fact that Larry Scott took dope. Drugs made him a great bodybuilder. Without that shit he would have remained above average and that's about it. Is Larry a nice guy? Yes. Did/does he have excellent insertion points in his biceps? Yes. Would he have been Mr. Olympia without drugs? No.
He wouldn't have won Mr. Boiled Peanut Festival without that shit coursing through his veins.
And that doesn't take an expert to know, but it does require an honest person to admit to it.
Larry Scott took dope? I don't know if I would classify steroids as dope.. Dope sounds like heroin or weed or something like that. Plus you have to admit..for the relatively small dose of dianabol people have claimed he was on, he looked pretty good. Most of the "bros" on this site with their 750 mg tren, 1000 mg test, 100 mg anadrol a day, 10 iu's Gh. Insulin, Igf1/t-3 , etc stacks can't beat a 30mg of dbol a day Scott from 1966. Give him some credit.
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I have to laugh at some of the guys who train in gyms. I have had nobodies who had almost no development take steroids and nothing much happened except they got acne. Most guys don't know how to train. Oh, up to a point they do but beyond that is a total mystery to them.
When people talk about genetics they are usually taking shit. Larry Scott was a narrow shouldered little guy when he started lifting weights. He devised training methods that took him beyond where most had gone before him. Larry knows more about training the muscles than anyone here on Getbig including Van Bilderass.
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I have to laugh at some of the guys who train in gyms. I have had nobodies who had almost no development take steroids and nothing much happened except they got acne. Most guys don't know how to train. Oh, up to a point they do but beyond that is a total mystery to them.
When people talk about genetics they are usually taking shit. Larry Scott was a narrow shouldered little guy when he started lifting weights. He devised training methods that took him beyond where most had gone before him. Larry knows more about training the muscles than anyone here on Getbig including Van Bilderass.
alright then, you can have Larry train me with all his 'knowledge', hell ill even pop dbols and i guaren-fuckin-tee you my biceps wont even be CLOSE to his.
most semi-intelligent people who get into this 'hobby' realize pretty quickly that there is no 'secret exercise of the pros'...you are born with certain genetics for muscle shape and size, and no amount of 'hard work' is going to change that.
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] Larry knows more about training the muscles than anyone here on Getbig including Van Bilderass. [/color]
What's so hard about training '' the muscles'' ???
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While your comment wasn't directed toward me, I must admit that I have been around as long or longer than you and it is a fact that Larry Scott took dope. Drugs made him a great bodybuilder. Without that shit he would have remained above average and that's about it. Is Larry a nice guy? Yes. Did/does he have excellent insertion points in his biceps? Yes. Would he have been Mr. Olympia without drugs? No.
He wouldn't have won Mr. Boiled Peanut Festival without that shit coursing through his veins.
And that doesn't take an expert to know, but it does require an honest person to admit to it.
x150,000
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Dianabol was a helluva drug.
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When people talk about genetics they are usually taking shit. Larry Scott was a narrow shouldered little guy when he started lifting weights. He devised training methods that took him beyond where most had gone before him.
And he was still a narrow shouldered guy at his peak (I'm of the opinion that very wide clavicles are more of a problem than narrow clavicles for a bb).
Larry had nice muscle bellies where it counted.
I think he found nice angles to stress the muscle but the simple fact is that muscle responds to tension and the small angle changes and specific programs (sets and reps) were a very minor factor in him becoming as big as he did. He had an abundance of fibers where it counted, which responded to the drugs and training stressor. And the reason he wasn't even bigger wasn't due to not finding an even better training program but due to a lack of even more drugs.
There is no substitute for drugs in bodybuilding. And there is no training program that fixes poor muscle insertions.
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And he was still a narrow shouldered guy at his peak (I'm of the opinion that very wide clavicles are more of a problem than narrow clavicles for a bb).
Larry had nice muscle bellies where it counted.
I think he found nice angles to stress the muscle but the simple fact is that muscle responds to tension and the small angle changes and specific programs (sets and reps) were a very minor factor in him becoming as big as he did. He had an abundance of fibers where it counted, which responded to the drugs and training stressor. And the reason he wasn't even bigger wasn't due to not finding an even better training program but due to a lack of even more drugs.
There is no substitute for drugs in bodybuilding. And there is no training program that fixes poor muscle insertions.
x200,000
the guy had one of the most ideal builds ever IMO...but to pretend like it was some 'really smart training' that got him there is a joke...ive probably done just as much arm training and 'worked as hard' as Larry had at that point and im a joke compared to that.
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You can't say it's all drugs. Back then they had to work hard in addition to the drugs and nutrition. Of course now a days it's all bloated clowns on GH eating like pigs and doing lazy workouts and still looking huge.
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Look, fellas, there are a lot of variables regarding training. Two people can train together and do exactly the same workouts but get different results. How can that be? It happens. The requirements for hypertrophy don't vary that much among individuals but stimulating the muscles to grow and then keep growing over several years is not so easy. It takes a certain level of dedication and intelligence. If you don't do exactly what is necessary you won't and can't grow. Larry was way smarter than most guys who lift weights. He forged methods with the help of Vince Gironda to make himself bigger and bigger. He was huge before Arnold and Sergio. Only Leroy Colbert equalled him in arm size.
If Larry trained you and you didn't grow then you would accept you don't have the potential. If you tried his methods by yourself there is no guarantee you will look like him.
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Looks like the creepy old guy has quite the "thing" for Larry Scott. :o
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Any more workouts from Larry Scott??? I would like to see what else he recommends for other body parts, workout schemes, etc.
I have been digging around. My back legs and shoulders are legit and grow very easily but as I have such wide clavicles I have a hard time getting my arms to look big enough and my chest lacks some depth. So, arms and chest I have been searching for. Will update. For now, TRY HIS TRI-SET ROUTINE. Fuck. I'm sitting here having just watched Wall Street and had a killer chest/arm workout earlier, my arms feel like they are glowing from the inside. Crazy feeling...The tri-sets are a fcking killer. I am very hopeful he has some great chest routines out there.
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Rheo Blair had his "boys" all taking D-Bol back in the day.
Helped him sell that milk protein.
Nothing magic about it.
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Not so much
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Speaking of isolating certain areas of the muscle ie lower biceps, inner chest, etc. Dr. Sqauat aka Fred Hatfield said that it isn't possible, and he was saying this back in the early 80s
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I have been digging around. My back legs and shoulders are legit and grow very easily but as I have such wide clavicles I have a hard time getting my arms to look big enough and my chest lacks some depth. So, arms and chest I have been searching for. Will update. For now, TRY HIS TRI-SET ROUTINE. Fuck. I'm sitting here having just watched Wall Street and had a killer chest/arm workout earlier, my arms feel like they are glowing from the inside. Crazy feeling...The tri-sets are a fcking killer. I am very hopeful he has some great chest routines out there.
Funny enough you couldnt get much of a 'burn' in yoru biceps before, and now you do a few tri-sets and wonder why youre suddenly getting a burn in your biceps instead of forearms ??? Its called fukin lactic acid, some people are so dumb ::) And no it doesnt mean your arms are suddenly going to grow NOW that youve started feeling that...
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I have to laugh at some of the guys who train in gyms. I have had nobodies who had almost no development take steroids and nothing much happened except they got acne. Most guys don't know how to train. Oh, up to a point they do but beyond that is a total mystery to them.
When people talk about genetics they are usually taking shit. Larry Scott was a narrow shouldered little guy when he started lifting weights. He devised training methods that took him beyond where most had gone before him. Larry knows more about training the muscles than anyone here on Getbig including Van Bilderass.
Care to explain to everyone what his skeletal structure has to do with his muscle insertions? You really don't know what you are talking about.
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Vince, are you nuts?
Larry is a business man selling his idea.
The idea that a certain training style made him Mr. oOo.
After watching his DVD - "A life..." for 3 to 4 times and giving all his ideas, which are ideas only, a try - I can say: "Larry - off you fuck."
Nice person, stellar physique but isolating the body like an anatomy chart is, in a way, retarded.
Pump up your arms with Larry's training ideas - but do so every 3 hours to see results.
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Care to explain to everyone what his skeletal structure has to do with his muscle insertions? You really don't know what you are talking about.
You must be new here. ;D
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haha look at the pic i found guys. pretty weird haha.
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Funny enough you couldnt get much of a 'burn' in yoru biceps before, and now you do a few tri-sets and wonder why youre suddenly getting a burn in your biceps instead of forearms ??? Its called fukin lactic acid, some people are so dumb ::) And no it doesnt mean your arms are suddenly going to grow NOW that youve started feeling that...
Because I haven't done a thousand tri-sets before in my lifetime and know that this combo is a bit more effective than other routines...You know not what you speak of.
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The KEY methyl, is to be able to train with greater and greater training loads, if you do that you WILL get bigger muscles GUAREEN-GODDAMN-TEED 8) So you gotta find which training method will enable you to PROGRESSIVELY OVERLOAD your muscles, and when you've found a method that accomplishes this then you will be rewarded with larger muscles
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The KEY methyl, is to be able to train with greater and greater training loads, if you do that you WILL get bigger muscles GUAREEN-GODDAMN-TEED 8) So you gotta find which training method will enable you to PROGRESSIVELY OVERLOAD your muscles, and when you've found a method that accomplishes this then you will be rewarded with larger muscles
You are missing the part where I said my forearms tend to take over on biceps movements...Not a whole lot of anything is going to make a muscle grow if you cannot stress it properly..
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I have to laugh at some of the guys who train in gyms. I have had nobodies who had almost no development take steroids and nothing much happened except they got acne. Most guys don't know how to train.
Look, fellas, there are a lot of variables regarding training. Two people can train together and do exactly the same workouts but get different results. How can that be? It happens.
It's the same with drugs, Vince. Not everyone responds well.
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alright then, you can have Larry train me with all his 'knowledge', hell ill even pop dbols and i guaren-fuckin-tee you my biceps wont even be CLOSE to his.
most semi-intelligent people who get into this 'hobby' realize pretty quickly that there is no 'secret exercise of the pros'...you are born with certain genetics for muscle shape and size, and no amount of 'hard work' is going to change that.
Exceptional statement!
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A true legend
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The KEY methyl, is to be able to train with greater and greater training loads, if you do that you WILL get bigger muscles GUAREEN-GODDAMN-TEED 8) So you gotta find which training method will enable you to PROGRESSIVELY OVERLOAD your muscles, and when you've found a method that accomplishes this then you will be rewarded with larger muscles
Many times in my experience I got stronger with no muscle gains and at other times I got gains without getting stronger.
I think you're confusing progressive overload with just adding more weight, its not the case.
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Many times in my experience I got stronger with no muscle gains and at other times I got gains without getting stronger.
Exactly .
DJ is confused
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Could it be that your strength gains precluded your size gains? In other words, you got stronger for a while but didn't get much bigger, and then viola your size gains caught up with your strength gains. But, if there was a good amount of time btw the 2, say at least 6 months or so, then yeah I am confused. When I say stronger, I mean with the same exercise with the same form for a certain TUL, not some 1 rep max.
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Dianabol was a helluva drug.
Bam . . . an og-Dianabol OG!!!
THE BEEF
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Larry Scott took dope? I don't know if I would classify steroids as dope.. Dope sounds like heroin or weed or something like that. Plus you have to admit..for the relatively small dose of dianabol people have claimed he was on, he looked pretty good. Most of the "bros" on this site with their 750 mg tren, 1000 mg test, 100 mg anadrol a day, 10 iu's Gh. Insulin, Igf1/t-3 , etc stacks can't beat a 30mg of dbol a day Scott from 1966. Give him some credit.
I wouldn't classify drugs as "gear" either, but that is the term some use for it. Dope, drugs, gear...A chemical "enhancement" by any other name is still a cheating. Look at "before" photographs of a young Larry and you'll see that I'm right. Sans the drugs, he's generally no better than anyone else that trains. Used to hear stories about certain '60s era bodybuilders that were practically passing out in the streets from too much d-bol or worse.
Yup, I'm that old. ;) And yes I'll give him credit for what he built, but he built it with a lot of help. That pretty much debits his account back to "regular guy" status.
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Cliffs?
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I wouldn't classify drugs as "gear" either, but that is the term some use for it. Dope, drugs, gear...A chemical "enhancement" by any other name is still a cheating. Look at "before" photographs of a young Larry and you'll see that I'm right. Sans the drugs, he's generally no better than anyone else that trains. Used to hear stories about certain '60s era bodybuilders that were practically passing out in the streets from too much d-bol or worse.
Yup, I'm that old. ;) And yes I'll give him credit for what he built, but he built it with a lot of help. That pretty much debits his account back to "regular guy" status.
I agree to some extent, that Larry Scott would have been pretty ordinary looking without drugs. I do give him credit for having pics looking good in his 40's, 50's and..60's. And though he isn't very big now in his 70's he still looks good for his age and appears to be healthy. I don't think he's been a big abuser. I doubt a lot of today's guys will look good in their 60's or even make it to 70.
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Larry knows his training, and certainly excelled in bbing, still looks great
but he's full of shit when it comes to denying aas use, or minimal use
all of a sudden when it became taboo, they all started singing the same song, meanwhile he was the dbol poster boy
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bullshit.
good bicep genes and drugs built those arms...he could have done 3 sets of any curling movement once a week and still would have had great biceps.
ive tried ALL this exercise shit for my bis but the fact is mine insert at least an inch above my elbow, even pumped they look mediocre. lots of guys have low bicep inserts, they do not even have to workout to have some bicep sweep; if your inserts are really high, no amount of 'technique' or 'secret exercise of the pros' is going to give you good biceps.
Haha EXACTLY! Some of these fucking old timers still believe their own bullshit. Larry's drug use and mostly his genetics are what gave him great arms. Genetics is what catapults you to the top of the bodybuilding scene and it's the drugs that keep you there.