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Breaking News: Florida Judge Rules Individual Mandate in Health Care Law Is Unconstitutional
Obamacare must be declared VOID (Judges words not mine)
http://www.foxnews.com/
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but what about the children? :'(
;D
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Breaking News: Florida Judge Rules Individual Mandate in Health Care Law Is Unconstitutional
Obamacare must be declared VOID (Judges words not mine)
http://www.foxnews.com/
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PENSACOLA, Fla. – A federal judge in Florida says the Obama administration's health overhaul is unconstitutional, siding with 26 states that had sued to block it.
U.S. District Judge Roger Vinson on Monday accepted without trial the states' argument that the new law violates people's rights by forcing them to buy health insurance by 2014 or face penalties.
Attorneys for the administration had argued that the states did not have standing to challenge the law and that the case should be dismissed.
The case is likely to go to the U.S. Supreme Court. Two other federal judges have upheld the insurance requirement, but a federal judge in Virginia also ruled the insurance requirement unconstitutional.
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Your mom has Obama's care
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let me say this before bob chic deletes this:
on a list complied by the nati,onl sec,urity admin.stration
they had the top 5 'interests' that are VITAL to national security
#3 on the list was water
more specifically DRINKABLE water
70% of earth is covered in water - only 1% is drinkable
bottled water is already a 60billion dollar a year industry
loook at stock of nestle corp - swiss company - largest investment in bottle water
ask ANYONE at FDA about Bisphenol A
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let me say this before bob chic deletes this:
on a list complied by the nati,onl sec,urity admin.stration
they had the top 5 'interests' that are VITAL to national security
#3 on the list was water
more specifically DRINKABLE water
70% of earth is covered in water - only 1% is drinkable
bottled water is already a 60billion dollar a year industry
loook at stock of nestle corp - swiss company - largest investment in bottle water
ask ANYONE at FDA about Bisphenol A
#2 is HGH
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Breaking News: Florida Judge Rules Individual Mandate in Health Care Law Is Unconstitutional
Obamacare must be declared VOID (Judges words not mine)
http://www.foxnews.com/
I sure hope the rest of the country follows suit.
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let me say this before bob chic deletes this:
on a list complied by the nati,onl sec,urity admin.stration
they had the top 5 'interests' that are VITAL to national security
#3 on the list was water
more specifically DRINKABLE water
70% of earth is covered in water - only 1% is drinkable
bottled water is already a 60billion dollar a year industry
loook at stock of nestle corp - swiss company - largest investment in bottle water
ask ANYONE at FDA about Bisphenol A
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisphenol_A ;)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisphenol_A ;)
with the prescription drug companies so big and prfitable
you know how many people at the FDA are over the regulation of bottles water
ONE - look it up
and BPA is what is found in large drinkin containers - FDA wont even coment publically on this chemical - wonder why ???
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with the prescription drug companies so big and prfitable
you know how many people at the FDA are over the regulation of bottles water
ONE - look it up
and BPA is what is found in large drinkin containers - FDA wont even coment publically on this chemical - wonder why ???
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with the prescription drug companies so big and prfitable
you know how many people at the FDA are over the regulation of bottles water
ONE - look it up
and BPA is what is found in large drinkin containers - FDA wont even coment publically on this chemical - wonder why ???
nice post :)
Bottled water, because it is defined as a “food” under federal regulations, is under the authority of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) while the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)—under much stricter standards—regulates tap water. Thus, bottled water, depending upon the brand, may actually be less clean and safe than tap water. The EPA mandates that local water treatment plants provide city residents with a detailed account of tap water’s source and the results of any testing, including contaminant level violations. Bottled water companies are under no such directives.
Also, while municipal water systems must test for harmful microbiological content in water several times a day, bottled water companies are required to test for these microbes only once a week.
Similarly, public water systems are required to test for chemical water contaminants four times as often as bottled water companies. In addition, loopholes in the FDA’s testing policy do not require the same standards for water that is bottled and sold in the same state, meaning that a significant number of bottles have undergone almost no regulation or testing.
Even under the more lax standards of the FDA, bottled water companies do not always comply with standardized contaminant levels.
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with the prescription drug companies so big and prfitable
you know how many people at the FDA are over the regulation of bottles water
ONE - look it up
and BPA is what is found in large drinkin containers - FDA wont even coment publically on this chemical - wonder why ???
Is this chemical added in the water for Mutation?
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nice post :)
damn ur so hot mentally
if u were a chic Id so 'persue' you
--back to your post
those 'water samples' are samples done in house by bottle water companies - they then submit them to FDA - but its also the containers water is placed in and the effect it has on fertility, the fetus, female reproductive system, environment, such and such
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damn ur so hot mentally
if u were a chic Id so 'persue' you
She's hot spike.. I've seen the pics:o
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She's hot spike.. I've seen the pics:o
i wanna see em
-if the water is acquired and bottled in the same state then the FDA technically CANNOT regulate it cause they regulate interstate commerce....these companies rape states like Maine and GA cause of laws that give whoever has the biggest 'well' to draw as much water as they can
these companies run rampant
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i wanna see em
-if the water is acquired and bottled in the same state then the FDA technically CANNOT regulate it cause they regulate interstate commerce....these companies rape states like Maine and GA cause of laws that give whoever has the biggest 'well' to draw as much water as they can
these companies run rampant
Have you seen that episode of Conspiracy theory where they talk about water?
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Breaking News: Florida Judge Rules Individual Mandate in Health Care Law Is Unconstitutional
Obamacare must be declared VOID (Judges words not mine)
http://www.foxnews.com/
just means were one step closer to universal single payer gov. run healthcare
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i wanna see em
they used to be in Time-Out ... but all those threads are long gone in there now .. ( kidding )
I know who has them gave their word .. and I know it's good
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just means were one step closer to universal single payer gov. run healthcare
doubt it but that was undoubtedly obamas plan when he passed the shit health care bill that does very little in terms of benefits and does absolutely nothing in terms of cost for health care...
he passed a shit bill knowing that they would have to fix it and then single payer would be brought back up.
if they strike down the mandate, pass tort reform and allow companies to cross state lines I think we have a decent bill
as it stands now the bill does very little and absolutely nothing to contain costs to the consumer
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Have you seen that episode of Conspiracy theory where they talk about water?
thanks for that .. I want to see it .. I have seen this one though
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doubt it but that was undoubtedly obamas plan when he passed the shit health care bill that does very little in terms of benefits and does absolutely nothing in terms of cost for health care...
he passed a shit bill knowing that they would have to fix it and then single payer would be brought back up.
if they strike down the mandate, pass tort reform and allow companies to cross state lines I think we have a decent bill
as it stands now the bill does very little and absolutely nothing to contain costs to the consumer
it doesnt cut down costs for the consumer but it makes sure people with pre existing conditions can get coverage, as well as letting people stay on parents plans untill they are 26.
we already pay enough in taxes to cover healthcare, theres no reason why we should have to buy private coverage, we just need a complete overhaul of the current medicare system
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Cloward Piven
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy)
"The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty".[1] The two argued that many Americans who were eligible for welfare were not receiving benefits, and that a welfare enrollment drive would create a political crisis that would force U.S. politicians, particularly the Democratic Party, to enact legislation "establishing a guaranteed national income."[2]
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thanks for that .. I want to see it .. I have seen this one though
I drink FIJI and not those brands. 8)
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Breaking News: Florida Judge Rules Individual Mandate in Health Care Law Is Unconstitutional
Obamacare must be declared VOID (Judges words not mine)
http://www.foxnews.com/
lolz you kunt tree is the shitz dude, even dagostan got free healtcare.
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it doesnt cut down costs for the consumer but it makes sure people with pre existing conditions can get coverage, as well as letting people stay on parents plans untill they are 26.
we already pay enough in taxes to cover healthcare, theres no reason why we should have to buy private coverage, we just need a complete overhaul of the current medicare system
I agree with the bold and those are good things but you see the thing is that the health insurance companies are just going to raise premiums to adjust for those increased risks...
if nothing is done to help limit the cost to the consumer it really doesnt do anything except add more customers and money to the insurance companies bottom line...
we need to stop paying for it is what we need, take responsibility for yourself is what needs to be said. If you go to the doctor or hospital without insurance and you cant pay your wages get garnered to help pay.
this of course needs to be done in conjunction with lowering health care costs to make it affordable. More plans need to be made available and more companies need to be able to compete. To do that you have to help limit the amount of risk the insurance companies take on again leading to tort reform to help alleviate some of their burden.
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"If you must be a Republican, don’t be a “conservative.” They are whining, bitching, complaining, simple-minded self- righteous idiots who think they’re perpetual victims. Listen to talk radio for awhile"
this guy knows coach no doubt...
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"If you must be a Republican, don’t be a “conservative.” They are whining, bitching, complaining, simple-minded self- righteous idiots who think they’re perpetual victims. Listen to talk radio for awhile"
this guy knows coach no doubt...
he has is the other way around...
republicans are the whining, bitching, complaining, simple minded, self righteous idiots
conservatives, REAL CONSERVATIVES are simple, just want to be left alone and not be told what to do or tell others what to do, for personal responsibility and try to treat others the way they are treated
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let me say this before bob chic deletes this:
on a list complied by the nati,onl sec,urity admin.stration
they had the top 5 'interests' that are VITAL to national security
#3 on the list was water
more specifically DRINKABLE water
70% of earth is covered in water - only 1% is drinkable
bottled water is already a 60billion dollar a year industry
loook at stock of nestle corp - swiss company - largest investment in bottle water
ask ANYONE at FDA about Bisphenol A
We isolated BPA from water bottles in chem last semester. Whats your point?
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It should be about personal responsibility and taking care of your health. There is no need to have a 3rd party (insurance company) taking a large chunk of the money exchanged between you and your doctor. I would like to see employers contribute directly to the individual in a health savings account that roles over each year and is transferable when you switch jobs. This would replace insurance nicely without increasing the burden on employers.
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they used to be in Time-Out ... but all those threads are long gone in there now .. ( kidding )
I know who has them gave their word .. and I know it's good
holy shit if your not kidding and your a chic that fckn incredible seriously
but if your woten fckn around ovr there in southern whales Imma be pissed as shit
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It should be about personal responsibility and taking care of your health. There is no need to have a 3rd party (insurance company) taking a large chunk of the money exchanged between you and your doctor. I would like to see employers contribute directly to the individual in a health savings account that roles over each year and is transferable when you switch jobs. This would replace insurance nicely without increasing the burden on employers.
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Yeah so when I get brain surgery they can pull 2 million dollars out of my personal health savings account. ::)
Insurance = a risk pool idiot.
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We isolated BPA from water bottles in chem last semester. Whats your point?
then you know the effects
here a chem test for ya brah:
take water samples in electrospectronmeter from
a) a container of bottle water at store
b) same water but leave it in trunk of a car for a week ovr the summer
if you isolated it from water bottles you prove my point - its used in cheap plastics that contain WATER a resource that is VITAL to human life, one of the most important things you NEED and put into your body on a daily basis and the containers you drink from have the chemical present in them
now dont see it as 'dosage' look at BPA on a viewpoint of exposure and that happens to americanos millions of times a day when we drink from container that contain this chemical
BP(oil) = process where BPA is salvaged from petro production including benzene = container made for NESTLE who owns deer park, arrowhead, ozarka, water companies that bottle IN STATE and thus have no regulation from FDA so you have a container with this chemical in it your kid may drink
you should know what BPA is and what it does when regular exposure happens - FDA is paid not to comment on specific chem due to oil company interests
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Breaking News: Florida Judge Rules Individual Mandate in Health Care Law Is Unconstitutional
Obamacare must be declared VOID (Judges words not mine)
http://www.foxnews.com/
Hate to tell you this, but no state or federal judge can overturn a law. Only the Supreme Court would have the final say and even then, it only strikes out that one portion of the Health Care Bill.
Ultimately, what you don't pay voluntarilly will end up in your taxes.
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Yeah so when I get brain surgery they can pull 2 million dollars out of my personal health savings account. ::)
Insurance = a risk pool idiot.
Catastrophic insurance would be a personal choice. It's safe to say that most people will never need brain surgery, and would do just fine on $6k/year for 45 years, which would add up greatly with compounding interest.
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Hate to tell you this, but no state or federal judge can overturn a law. Only the Supreme Court would have the final say and even then, it only strikes out that one portion of the Health Care Bill.
Ultimately, what you don't pay voluntarilly will end up in your taxes.
I hate to tell you this they are going to tax us the same either way. You think our taxes will go down if we have universal health care? Lol
This bill does nothing to help limit the cost of health care in fact it makes it more expensive
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The health care system in the US is so fucked up.
In just about every other country I can think of, the people get health insurance FOR FREE.
This whole concept of making people pay for health insurance and privatizing the health care industry is just wrong.
I can't believe conservatives in the USA have let themselves be brainwashd into supporting the deeply corrupt privatized health insurers.
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The health care system in the US is so fucked up.
In just about every other country I can think of, the people get health insurance FOR FREE.
This whole concept of making people pay for health insurance and privatizing the health care industry is just wrong.
I can't believe conservatives in the USA have let themselves be brainwashd into supporting the deeply corrupt privatized health insurers.
We don't support the insurance companies and the US has some of the best health care in the world because it's privatized.
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We don't support the insurance companies and the US has some of the best health care in the world because it's privatized.
indeed
privitized leaves room for DENTISTRY, ORTHODONTICS, CRUCIAL shit in the healthcare system that some countries OBVIOULSY DONT HAVE
jeeZUS everytime I see a hot brit girl with a fckd up grill it ruins shit for me
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indeed
privitized leaves room for DENTISTRY, ORTHODONTICS, CRUCIAL shit in the healthcare system that some countries OBVIOULSY DONT HAVE
jeeZUS everytime I see a hot brit girl with a fckd up grill it ruins shit for me
Just go see a Dr. and pay the bill later. ;)
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We don't support the insurance companies and the US has some of the best health care in the world because it's privatized.
In the US the health care does have good quality.
The big problem is that health care in the US is WAYYYYYYYYYY too fucking expensive. And if you don't have health insurance you can get stuck with a $20,000 bill easily. It's just wrong.
Privatized health care is terrible.
It thrives because filthy rich insurers lobby bribe politicians to support privatized health care. And propaganda goes towards supporting privatized health care too.
It's all just a little corrupt system where the poor get fucked hard. And everyone t the top is making BIG money off it. So there is almost nobody in power he would dare to oppose it.
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Just go see a Dr. and pay the bill later. ;)
I checked out dentists all over South America and Asia.
Most of them have American level quality. But cost about 10% as much as the US.
Of course there are some bad dentists and hspitals too. But most countries have a lot of high quality dentists and a few high quality hospitals.
Health care..... a couple months go I went to the hospital and had a full physical here. It cost me 30$ US for the exact same stuff. Same quality. Same everything. In the US it would be hundreds. Maybe even a thousand for the same shit.
And of course I don't pay a die for health insurance. It's all government run. Free.
Lots of Americans think hospitals and dentists in other countries are shitty and low-quality. But there are at least like 20 countries out there with quality just as good as the US.
I don't know ho you all can't see it. Maybe you all havn't traveled much or something. But health care in the US is FUCKED UP.
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I checked out dentists all over South America and Asia.
Most of them have American level quality. But cost about 10% as much as the US.
Of course there are some bad dentists and hspitals too. But most countries have a lot of high quality dentists and a few high quality hospitals.
Health care..... a couple months go I went to the hospital and had a full physical here. It cost me 30$ US for the exact same stuff. Same quality. Same everything. In the US it would be hundreds. Maybe even a thousand for the same shit.
And of course I don't pay a die for health insurance. It's all government run. Free.
Lots of Americans think hospitals and dentists in other countries are shitty and low-quality. But there are at least like 20 countries out there with quality just as good as the US.
I don't know ho you all can't see it. Maybe you all havn't traveled much or something. But health care in the US is FUCKED UP.
Good post, i agree..I just ordered some migraine medication from India for 4.00 per pill..In the united states the same medication costs 40 dollars a pill..That's a big price differential for the same ingredient..Taxation without representation
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Funny thing Coach that you didn't say anything when Air Forces did the most unconstitutional act by blocking web pages with Wikileaks material. Goes to show how much you respect your constitution.
None.
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In the US the health care does have good quality.
The big problem is that health care in the US is WAYYYYYYYYYY too fucking expensive. And if you don't have health insurance you can get stuck with a $20,000 bill easily. It's just wrong.
Privatized health care is terrible.
It thrives because filthy rich insurers lobby bribe politicians to support privatized health care. And propaganda goes towards supporting privatized health care too.
It's all just a little corrupt system where the poor get fucked hard. And everyone t the top is making BIG money off it. So there is almost nobody in power he would dare to oppose it.
I guaranty most of the people who say they can't afford health insurance pay more for other useless crap they don't even need. I can also guaranty that most in the inner city who say they can't afford health care find a way to pay for their habits. There are 3 in my family, myself, my son and wife, I pay $394.00 per mo. and I'm 48, full coverage PPO.
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I checked out dentists all over South America and Asia.
Most of them have American level quality. But cost about 10% as much as the US.
Of course there are some bad dentists and hspitals too. But most countries have a lot of high quality dentists and a few high quality hospitals.
Health care..... a couple months go I went to the hospital and had a full physical here. It cost me 30$ US for the exact same stuff. Same quality. Same everything. In the US it would be hundreds. Maybe even a thousand for the same shit.
And of course I don't pay a die for health insurance. It's all government run. Free.
Lots of Americans think hospitals and dentists in other countries are shitty and low-quality. But there are at least like 20 countries out there with quality just as good as the US.
I don't know ho you all can't see it. Maybe you all havn't traveled much or something. But health care in the US is FUCKED UP.
im sorry i wasnt stompin on other countries im just sayin britian seems kinda 'behind' as far as dentistry and socialized medicine
fckn russia - good dentists/ germany / UAE/ Israel - i wasnt sayin america is best at all
just sayin Ive seem quite a few fine ass brit chic but grill was busted to hell and back = no go for mr jones
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I guaranty most of the people who say they can't afford health insurance pay more for other useless crap they don't even need. I can also guaranty that most in the inner city who say they can't afford health care find a way to pay for their habits. There are 3 in my family, myself, my son and wife, I pay $394.00 per mo. and I'm 48, full coverage PPO.
The country I live in right now. Nobody ever pays a dime for insurance. They can go to the hospital any time and get anything done for a very affordable price.
You need a surgery? No problem. Probably not too expensive.
How can you defend the American system? It's the most expensive money leeching system on Earth.
Like that other guy said, it's taxation without representation.
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Hate to tell you this, but no state or federal judge can overturn a law. Only the Supreme Court would have the final say and even then, it only strikes out that one portion of the Health Care Bill.
Ultimately, what you don't pay voluntarilly will end up in your taxes.
as simply and correctly you've summarized the judges opinion. The Coach will not comprehend what you've just stated
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In the US the health care does have good quality.
The big problem is that health care in the US is WAYYYYYYYYYY too fucking expensive. And if you don't have health insurance you can get stuck with a $20,000 bill easily. It's just wrong.
Privatized health care is terrible.
It thrives because filthy rich insurers lobby bribe politicians to support privatized health care. And propaganda goes towards supporting privatized health care too.
It's all just a little corrupt system where the poor get fucked hard. And everyone t the top is making BIG money off it. So there is almost nobody in power he would dare to oppose it.
nothing is free bro, what are your tax rates?
im not saying the US is the best run system or that its care is number one but alot of ppl come to the US specifically for health care...
you keep saying "free, free, free" nothing is free bro
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nothing is free bro, what are your tax rates?
im not saying the US is the best run system or that its care is number one but alot of ppl come to the US specifically for health care...
you keep saying "free, free, free" nothing is free bro
Taxes here are much lower than the US.
The government here believes that if the health care system here is cheap and good that this country will progress further. So the government just pays for it, and they don't pass the cost along to the public at all.
A rich country can afford to do it like that. The US could have a similar system. But greed gets in the way.
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Taxes here are much lower than the US.
The government here believes that if the health care system here is cheap and good that this country will progress further. So the government just pays for it, and they don't pass the cost along to the public at all.
A rich country can afford to do it like that. The US could have a similar system. But greed gets in the way.
what country and what are the tax rates?
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what country and what are the tax rates?
Don't wanna say what country.
Income tax is about 5%. No sales tax.
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Don't wanna say what country.
Income tax is about 5%. No sales tax.
LOL 5% huh?
hahahahhahaha with free health care huh?
hahahaha
BULLLLLL SHIIIIIITTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!
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Good post, i agree..I just ordered some migraine medication from India for 4.00 per pill..In the united states the same medication costs 40 dollars a pill..That's a big price differential for the same ingredient
Which drug? Imitrex? Was it a generic?
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what country and what are the tax rates?
hes in south korea
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Which drug? Imitrex? Was it a generic?
Yes, Imitrex would be the one...Imitrex has just gone generic here in the states...The generic didn't budge the price of the drug one cent...We make more money in america. However, we pay a lot for script drugs etc.
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Taxes here are much lower than the US.
The government here believes that if the health care system here is cheap and good that this country will progress further. So the government just pays for it, and they don't pass the cost along to the public at all.
A rich country can afford to do it like that. The US could have a similar system. But greed gets in the way.
someone said you live in S. Korea, eh? Well, that system is not the "government just pays for it." Employers pay 50% and the employee via a payroll TAX pays the remainder. Then again claiming to live in S. Korea vs the reality of living in your moms basement kinda limits your knowledge on such matters, chief.
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someone said you live in S. Korea, eh? Well, that system is not the "government just pays for it." Employers pay 50% and the employee via a payroll TAX pays the remainder. Then again claiming to live in S. Korea vs the reality of living in your moms basement kinda limits your knowledge on such matters, chief.
Show FTW!!!
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someone said you live in S. Korea, eh? Well, that system is not the "government just pays for it." Employers pay 50% and the employee via a payroll TAX pays the remainder. Then again claiming to live in S. Korea vs the reality of living in your moms basement kinda limits your knowledge on such matters, chief.
LOL. The iron fist in the iron glove of Show. ;D
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I guaranty most of the people who say they can't afford health insurance pay more for other useless crap they don't even need. I can also guaranty that most in the inner city who say they can't afford health care find a way to pay for their habits. There are 3 in my family, myself, my son and wife, I pay $394.00 per mo. and I'm 48, full coverage PPO.
Joe, there's no real full coverage. One case of cancer from you or any of your family members and you won't have a house or business. That's what happens on a common basis and it doesn't matter who you are. People who did have medical insurance found themselves thrown off their health plan when they really got sick and ended up in the same position.
Health care in my opinion should not be a for-profit business. Making people pay for health coverage will lower rates and if they put an end to runaway medical lawsuit and put a cap on them, then health care would not be a problem. In fact, you even said that people can afford to pay for health insurance if they didn't pay for crap. So a law making people pay for it like any other municipality may not a bad idea
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nothing is free bro, what are your tax rates?
im not saying the US is the best run system or that its care is number one but alot of ppl come to the US specifically for health care...
you keep saying "free, free, free" nothing is free bro
horseshit argument. we already pay more than enough taxes to give everyone free coverage.
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horseshit argument. we already pay more than enough taxes to give everyone free coverage.
LOL ignorant argument...you think our taxes will go down if we go to universal health care or do you think that the govt will increase taxes to pay for it?
taxes go to pay for everything so we may pay enough in taxes to cover health care but then what pays for everything else?
dont be willfully ignorant dizzle
take steps real steps to decrease the costs of health insurance, MAKE ppl take responsibility for their actions and see what happens
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Joe, there's no real full coverage. One case of cancer from you or any of your family members and you won't have a house or business. That's what happens on a common basis and it doesn't matter who you are. People who did have medical insurance found themselves thrown off their health plan when they really got sick and ended up in the same position.
Health care in my opinion should not be a for-profit business. Making people pay for health coverage will lower rates and if they put an end to runaway medical lawsuit and put a cap on them, then health care would not be a problem. In fact, you even said that people can afford to pay for health insurance if they didn't pay for crap. So a law making people pay for it like any other municipality may not a bad idea
first off the VAST VAST majority of ppl do not end up like the scenario you laid out...second we can pass legislation to end practices like that without universal health car.
or how about making ppl take responsibility for their own actions?
novel idea huh?
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LOL ignorant argument...you think our taxes will go down if we go to universal health care or do you think that the govt will increase taxes to pay for it?
taxes go to pay for everything so we may pay enough in taxes to cover health care but then what pays for everything else?
dont be willfully ignorant dizzle
take steps real steps to decrease the costs of health insurance, MAKE ppl take responsibility for their actions and see what happens
no,
we already pay more per capita in health insurance costs than any other country in the world. we could, using our current medicare funds, give everyone in the country free health care. not only would we be able to do so without any new taxes, we would actually be able to reduce total moneys spent on health care in the united states by ~40% due to the beneficial effects of preventative care that would be included in the free health care.
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You still think Goverement controlled health care sounds good. Watch this video.
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no,
we already pay more per capita in health insurance costs than any other country in the world. we could, using our current medicare funds, give everyone in the country free health care. not only would we be able to do so without any new taxes, we would actually be able to reduce total moneys spent on health care in the united states by ~40% due to the beneficial effects of preventative care that would be included in the free health care.
oh now that i agree with but thats due to the inefficiency within the govt within health care system...
revamping medicare/medicade needs to be done as well but wont happen same as social security bs
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first off the VAST VAST majority of ppl do not end up like the scenario you laid out...second we can pass legislation to end practices like that without universal health car.
or how about making ppl take responsibility for their own actions?
novel idea huh?
That's the problem, people don't take responsibility for their actions. They don't buy health insurance because they know that they'll be treated at a hospital and the cost usually ends up being passed to people like me who do pay for health insurance.
Sorry but universal health coverage makes everyone responsible for paying their medical bills....harsh but fair.
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That's the problem, people don't take responsibility for their actions. They don't buy health insurance because they know that they'll be treated at a hospital and the cost usually ends up being passed to people like me who do pay for health insurance.
Sorry but universal health coverage makes everyone responsible for paying their medical bills....harsh but fair.
NO IT DOESNT YOU MORON...50% of the population DONT PAY TAXES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
how are these ppl going to be responsible for their actions?
start garnishing their wages...
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Bottom line is our government is so damn wasteful at everything it does. Last time i checked there was 14.10 trillion in national debt. That's not by mistake...How much did the Post Office lose? How does a Natural monopoly lose money?
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Bottom line is our government is so damn wasteful at everything it does. Last time i checked there was 14.10 trillion in national debt. That's not by mistake...How much did the Post Office lose? How does a Natural monopoly lose money?
exactly and ppl expect it to run an efficient health care system?
really?
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Bottom line is our government is so damn wasteful at everything it does. Last time i checked there was 14.10 trillion in national debt. That's not by mistake...How much did the Post Office lose? How does a Natural monopoly lose money?
haha, they do such a wonderful job with the DMV and VA System..... ;D
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Yes, Imitrex would be the one...Imitrex has just gone generic here in the states...The generic didn't budge the price of the drug one cent...We make more money in america. However, we pay a lot for script drugs etc.
Just to be clear - you mean the generic launch didn't budge the price of the brand? Because the generic is much cheaper, as they almost always are.
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NO IT DOESNT YOU MORON...50% of the population DONT PAY TAXES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
how are these ppl going to be responsible for their actions?
start garnishing their wages...
You need to screw your braincap on. Where do you get a number like 50%.....you must listen to fox news or some retarded propaganda org.
If you want to complain that 50% dont pay taxes then you should be happy that it will be mandated for ALL to buy a health policy!! You should be supporting this as revenue for the insurance corps will be huge with 30million being added. Arent you a Pro-business guy tony?? And nothing wrong with it being mandated either as you drive a car and must buy auto insurance for the greater good to protect the public and even yourself from yourself......
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NO IT DOESNT YOU MORON...50% of the population DONT PAY TAXES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
how are these ppl going to be responsible for their actions?
start garnishing their wages...
By locking them up for tax exasion.
Personally, the previous health care system was fucked up, the current one is still fucked up, and I don't think it will get any better whichever way it goes. I'm going out for a sandwich
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it doesnt cut down costs for the consumer but it makes sure people with pre existing conditions can get coverage, as well as letting people stay on parents plans untill they are 26.
we already pay enough in taxes to cover healthcare, theres no reason why we should have to buy private coverage, we just need a complete overhaul of the current medicare system
shut the fuck up you piece of unemployed shit.
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You need to screw your braincap on. Where do you get a number like 50%.....you must listen to fox news or some retarded propaganda org.
If you want to complain that 50% dont pay taxes then you should be happy that it will be mandated for ALL to buy a health policy!! You should be supporting this as revenue for the insurance corps will be huge with 30million being added. Arent you a Pro-business guy tony?? And nothing wrong with it being mandated either as you drive a car and must buy auto insurance for the greater good to protect the public and even yourself from yourself......
where the hell you been? this must be your gimmick account...
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/opinions/view/opinion/47-Percent-Dont-Pay-Taxes-No-Big-Deal-3230
47% of americans pay no federal income tax...
they wont pay for this either even if there is a mandate, perhaps you havent heard of the millions of waivers obama has given out for ppl to opt out? the tax credits for those who cant pay? tax payers still get the shaft
LOL nice try on the auto insurance theory but its full of holes in LOADED WITH IGNORANCE...
first off you CHOOSE to buy auto insurance because you CHOOSE to drive. You have the option of not buying auto insurance if you do not want to drive...
this law mandates you must regardless of whether you choose to or not buy a private product or face a fine...
the govt can regulate action to protect the greater good, but it cannot regulate inaction...
by this logic it could also mandate that we not eat fried food, b/c it is for the greater good.
by this logic it could mandate that smoking is illegal, b/c it is for the greater good.
by this logic it could mandate that salt is illegal, b/c it is for the greater good...
again ignorance and full of holes
but good to see you posting again
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By locking them up for tax exasion.
Personally, the previous health care system was fucked up, the current one is still fucked up, and I don't think it will get any better whichever way it goes. I'm going out for a sandwich
they didnt evade anything, thats the way they tax system works...
the top 1% that everyone bitches about giving tax breaks to is responsible for 40% of revenue from income tax...
you guys really need to educate yourselves
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/what_percent_of_taxes_does_the_top.html
As for taxes, CBO calculates that the top 1 percent paid 27.6 percent of all federal taxes, including:
•38.8 percent of federal individual income taxes
•4.0 percent of federal social insurance taxes (Social Security and Medicare)
•58.6 percent of corporate income taxes (indirectly, through stock ownership)
•5.5 percent of federal excise taxes (on such things as gasoline, tobacco, alcoholic beverages and telephones.)
The share of taxes paid by different income levels have changed over time.
I bet you guys didnt know that the bush tax cuts actually moved MORE of the tax burden to the top 1% did you?
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from the messiahs own words... ::)
From the Washington Times
"Judge uses Obama’s words against him
In ruling against President Obama‘s health care law, federal Judge Roger Vinson used Mr. Obama‘s own position from the 2008 campaign against him, arguing that there are other ways to tackle health care short of requiring every American to purchase insurance.
“I note that in 2008, then-Senator Obama supported a health care reform proposal that did not include an individual mandate because he was at that time strongly opposed to the idea, stating that ‘if a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house,’” Judge Vinson wrote in a footnote toward the end of the 78-page ruling Monday.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jan/31/judge-uses-obamas-words-against-him/
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in a free world you dress comfortably and legal, ( and in a way that piss off ignorant conservatives and trend sensitive people the most )
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The health care system in the US is so fucked up.
In just about every other country I can think of, the people get health insurance FOR FREE.
This whole concept of making people pay for health insurance and privatizing the health care industry is just wrong.
I can't believe conservatives in the USA have let themselves be brainwashd into supporting the deeply corrupt privatized health insurers.
it aint free dickhead if you are paying 40% tax (or more)
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it aint free dickhead if you are paying 40% tax (or more)
exactly...
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More from obama before he flip flopped on the mandate
Obama to DeGeneres on Why He Opposed Individual Mandate: Forcing Uninsured to Buy Insurance Is Like Forcing Homeless to Buy Homes
Tuesday, February 01, 2011
By Eric Scheiner
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/federal-judge-cites-quotes-president-rul
President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden react to cheers as they arrive in the East Room of the White House in Washington, Tuesday, March 23, 2010, for the signing ceremony for the health care bill. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)
(CNSNews.com) - Long before his administration went into federal court to fight 27 states that are now challenging the constitutionality of the federal government forcing people to buy health insurance, then-presidential candidate Barack Obama told Ellen DeGeneres that—unlike his opponent Hillary Clinton—he opposed forcing the uninsured to buy health insurance, saying that it would be like forcing the homeless to buy homes.
“Both of us want to provide health care to all Americans. There’s a slight difference, and her plan is a good one. But, she mandates that everybody buy health care. She’d have the government force every individual to buy insurance and I don’t have such a mandate because I don’t think the problem is that people don’t want health insurance, it’s that they can’t afford it,” Obama said in a Feb. 28, 2008 appearance on Ellen DeGeneres' television show. “So, I focus more on lowering costs. This is a modest difference. But, it’s one that she’s tried to elevate, arguing that because I don’t force people to buy health care that I’m not insuring everybody. Well, if things were that easy, I could mandate everybody to buy a house, and that would solve the problem of homelessness. It doesn’t."
Looks like he went the complete and opposite way by not focusing at all on driving down costs and mandating ppl still buy insurance ::)
hope and change bitches
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Obama was AGAINST the mandate before he was for it.
HOPE & CHANGE ASSHOLES!
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Just addressing the statement that no judge can overturn a law.
A judge most certainly has the power to deem a law, or a portion thereof, unconstitutional.
What do you think this does to the law, once it is deemed unconstitutional by the Highest Court?
What if the lower court's decision went unappealed?
For most that haven't read the opinion, I suggest you do, as the "mandate" clearly violates Interstate Commerce clauses.
How can a government force you to purchase something that you don't desire?
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Just addressing the statement that no judge can overturn a law.
A judge most certainly has the power to deem a law, or a portion thereof, unconstitutional.
What do you think this does to the law, once it is deemed unconstitutional by the Highest Court?
What if the lower court's decision went unappealed?
For most that haven't read the opinion, I suggest you do, as the "mandate" clearly violates Interstate Commerce clauses.
How can a government force you to purchase something that you don't desire?
the supreme court declaring a law unconstitutional is overturning it...
It depends on what the supreme court decides one court has said just the mandate is unconstitutional this judge said the entire law is...
iono what really happens hopefully they keep the good aspects of the bill and add in the parts that for some reason got left out like allowing insurance companies to sell across state lines and tort reform.
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I think it will be interesting to see how sotomayor and kagen vote on this
hopefully this will show ppl that electing ppl with idealogy that is to far to the left or right can have horrible consequences
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I think it will be interesting to see how sotomayor and kagen vote on this
hopefully this will show ppl that electing ppl with idealogy that is to far to the left or right can have horrible consequences
Kagan is already on record as saying the govt can order people to eat broccoli and certain types of food, sowe all know how that far let hag is going on this.
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Tonymc: That article says they OWE NO federal tax. The reason is they paid it up front thru the year as did all americans who make over $3750 and over the minimum filing requirement. Also this survey is skewed as it counts toward overall population in U.S.....keep in mind that out of 260milion people a large chunk are newborns and kids to 18yrs old not yet working.
Another point is that YES gov,t and state can enforce inaction....its called tickets, fines, confiscating refunds, jail......same thing with auto insurance.
On your point of driving is a choice. Yes it is but guess what? Anyone can have an appendix, liver ,kidneys heart, go out at anytime therefore we need a way to keep these people from running into emergency rooms and racking up 10k in bills and having us stuck with it.
I would think as a conservative type that you are you would endorse the HUGE amount of revenue this will create for the insurance companies and relieve the tax burden on individuals.
The same arguments were made for social security and it actually runs a profit ........(yes the govt has borrowed against it but thats another subject)
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SS is in the red already.
www.usdebtclock.org
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SS is in the red already.
www.usdebtclock.org
It is solvent and is fine. Estimates are that in 2037 the input and output may put us into red. www.ssa.gov
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::) ::)
Do you even read anything? Madoff told his investors everything was fine too.
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SSA took in 49billion in payroll taxes and 131billion in interest in 2008 ABOVE what it paid out. And has a surplus of 3.2 trillion dollars.
But it is setup for problems in 2037. The way to fix that is to raise the income cap on high wage earners. Right now they only pay to 108,000 dollars. Raise it a little and its solved.
Republicans have been running this scare tactic for 30 yrs.....bunch of drama queens they are.
BTW I work in the retirement industry. ;D
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Tonymc: That article says they OWE NO federal tax. The reason is they paid it up front thru the year as did all americans who make over $3750 and over the minimum filing requirement. Also this survey is skewed as it counts toward overall population in U.S.....keep in mind that out of 260milion people a large chunk are newborns and kids to 18yrs old not yet working.
Another point is that YES gov,t and state can enforce inaction....its called tickets, fines, confiscating refunds, jail......same thing with auto insurance.
On your point of driving is a choice. Yes it is but guess what? Anyone can have an appendix, liver ,kidneys heart, go out at anytime therefore we need a way to keep these people from running into emergency rooms and racking up 10k in bills and having us stuck with it.
I would think as a conservative type that you are you would endorse the HUGE amount of revenue this will create for the insurance companies and relieve the tax burden on individuals.
The same arguments were made for social security and it actually runs a profit ........(yes the govt has borrowed against it but thats another subject)
goodness gracious, how can ppl that are so uninformed actually form opinions on this shit?
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Nearly-half-of-US-households-apf-1105567323.html?x=0
About 47 percent will pay no federal income taxes at all for 2009. Either their incomes were too low, or they qualified for enough credits, deductions and exemptions to eliminate their liability.
The result is a tax system that exempts almost half the country from paying for programs that benefit everyone, including national defense, public safety, infrastructure and education. It is a system in which the top 10 percent of earners -- households making an average of $366,400 in 2006 -- paid about 73 percent of the income taxes collected by the federal government.
auto insurance IS A CHOICE YOU DUMB ASS!!!!!!!!
you CHOOSE TO DRIVE...
where is the choice in obamacares mandate?
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Tonymc: That article says they OWE NO federal tax. The reason is they paid it up front thru the year as did all americans who make over $3750 and over the minimum filing requirement. Also this survey is skewed as it counts toward overall population in U.S.....keep in mind that out of 260milion people a large chunk are newborns and kids to 18yrs old not yet working.
Another point is that YES gov,t and state can enforce inaction....its called tickets, fines, confiscating refunds, jail......same thing with auto insurance.
On your point of driving is a choice. Yes it is but guess what? Anyone can have an appendix, liver ,kidneys heart, go out at anytime therefore we need a way to keep these people from running into emergency rooms and racking up 10k in bills and having us stuck with it.
I would think as a conservative type that you are you would endorse the HUGE amount of revenue this will create for the insurance companies and relieve the tax burden on individuals.
The same arguments were made for social security and it actually runs a profit ........(yes the govt has borrowed against it but thats another subject)
Sorry, but you are flat wrong, as the article is not basing the reasoning for 47% not owing taxes because they "already paid it up", it is basing it on that fact that 47% either don't pay in, or if they have "paid it up, then they get it they get it back though refundable tax credits.
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/1001289_who_pays.pdf
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SSA took in 49billion in payroll taxes and 131billion in interest in 2008 ABOVE what it paid out. And has a surplus of 3.2 trillion dollars.
But it is setup for problems in 2037. The way to fix that is to raise the income cap on high wage earners. Right now they only pay to 108,000 dollars. Raise it a little and its solved.
Republicans have been running this scare tactic for 30 yrs.....bunch of drama queens they are.
BTW I work in the retirement industry. ;D
Hopefully you understand the retirement industry better than you do our Tax System...
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Hopefully you understand the retirement industry better than you do our tax System...
LOL no shit
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Nearly-half-of-US-households-apf-1105567323.html?x=0
The bottom 40 percent, on average, make a profit from the federal income tax, meaning they get more money in tax credits than they would otherwise owe in taxes. For those people, the government sends them a payment.
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The same arguments were made for social security and it actually runs a profit ........(yes the govt has borrowed against it but thats another subject)
Wrong again dummy:
Social Security: More going out than coming in
http://money.cnn.com/2010/08/05/news/economy/social_security_trustees_report/index.htm
Social Security to See Payout Exceed Pay-In This Year
"This year, the system will pay out more in benefits than it receives in payroll taxes, an important threshold it was not expected to cross until at least 2016, according to the Congressional Budget Office. "
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/25/business/economy/25social.html
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