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i am doing things like running 100 yard dashes with two 65 pound dumbells but dam if my lower back right at the base of the spine aint always a little bit tight every day, i wonder if this is a dietary related thing, maybe need more saturated animal fats to recover like some icecream and cake, but wash it down with plenty of water to avoid heart issues
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sounds more like your lower back is trying to say 'please stop running around carrying 65lb dumbells'
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sounds more like your lower back is trying to say 'please stop running around carrying 65lb dumbells'
owned.
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sounds more like your lower back is trying to say 'please stop running around carrying 65lb dumbells'
possibly but its and awesome exercise for conditioning
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possibly but its and awesome exercise for conditioning
High impact excercises are no good. They fuck you up a lot more than they help.
Get a bicycle with a solid travel rack. Put some heavy shit on the rack. Ride a heavy bicycle around. Much better and lower impact.
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High impact excercises are no good. They fuck you up a lot more than they help.
Get a bicycle with a solid travel rack. Put some heavy shit on the rack. Ride a heavy bicycle around. Much better and lower impact.
well i wont quit at it yet since the benefits seem to outweigh the negatives by some margin, im hoping eventually my lower back will adapt, it could take months or years? who knows the limits and capabilities of human, we cant say for certain that us humans cant adapt to running with two 65 pound dumbells
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well i wont quit at it yet since the benefits seem to outweigh the negatives by some margin, im hoping eventually my lower back will adapt, it could take months or years? who knows the limits and capabilities of human, we cant say for certain that us humans cant adapt to running with two 65 pound dumbells
Of course we will adapt to that. Your grandgrandgrandgrand...g rand-children will do it a lot easier. It just takes 1000 years of carrying two 65 pounders around.
Little patience here, please. Things won't happen overnight.
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Of course we will adapt to that. Your grandgrandgrandgrand...g rand-children will do it a lot easier. It just takes 1000 years of carrying two 65 pounders around.
Little patience here, please. Things won't happen overnight.
so are you saying i couldnt adapt in 1 or 2 year?
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Johnny clearly your rants against meat-eaters is causing discord within the muscle fibers of your lower back. I suggest you up the beer and paint chips you've been eating.
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High impact excercises are no good. They fuck you up a lot more than they help.
QFT.
WOOOSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH H
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Pain and debilitating injuries are all in the mind. Just meditate more.
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well i wont quit at it yet since the benefits seem to outweigh the negatives by some margin, im hoping eventually my lower back will adapt, it could take months or years? who knows the limits and capabilities of human, we cant say for certain that us humans cant adapt to running with two 65 pound dumbells
Yeah, it will probably adapt once you have your L2, L3 & L4 vertebrae fused. You'll need that in another year or so at your pace. Keep your chin up champ, you're on your way. :)
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sounds more like your lower back is trying to say 'please stop running around carrying 65lb dumbells'
sounds like his meth receptors are firing fine. Just fine.
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i am doing things like running 100 yard dashes with two 65 pound dumbells but dam if my lower back right at the base of the spine aint always a little bit tight every day, i wonder if this is a dietary related thing, maybe need more saturated animal fats to recover like some icecream and cake, but wash it down with plenty of water to avoid heart issues
if it doesn't get progressively worse you should be okay, try jumping squats with the same dbs.
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i am doing things like running 100 yard dashes with two 65 pound dumbells but dam if my lower back right at the base of the spine aint always a little bit tight every day, i wonder if this is a dietary related thing, maybe need more saturated animal fats to recover like some icecream and cake, but wash it down with plenty of water to avoid heart issues
It isn't food, it is the muscle balance. Try to run those dashes to uphills with those dumbbells, you know, fast up, slowly down. Use at least those 65 pounds, bigger if you can. When our gym were in seventh floor of the building, we used to take two dumbbells and go down to first floor with elevator, then we run upstairs because that is one great cardio workout. I used to run with two 30kg dumbbells and with straps because my grip isn't so good. When you run stairs your step and posture is just right, but when you run flat, your step and posture isn't any good. Uphills is second best choice.
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why do we humor this hillbilly?
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why do we humor this hillbilly?
trust me, you want to be broskis with Falcon when the mother ship arrives
he may be our only ticket out of here
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i am doing things like running 100 yard dashes with two 65 pound dumbells but dam if my lower back right at the base of the spine aint always a little bit tight every day, i wonder if this is a dietary related thing, maybe need more saturated animal fats to recover like some icecream and cake, but wash it down with plenty of water to avoid heart issues
Yes, cake and ice cream for low back issues is a sound, recognized approach.
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personally, I'd just smoke less crack
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larry scott once said in flex magazine "if you have got a shoulder injury it will need few months to recover,.. a knee injury one good year,.. a lower back injury, you must accept to live with it the rest of your life"!!.. sure he was talking about serious injuries and sure i am not sure if what he said is true or not!!..
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i am doing things like running 100 yard dashes with two 65 pound dumbells but dam if my lower back right at the base of the spine aint always a little bit tight every day, i wonder if this is a dietary related thing, maybe need more saturated animal fats to recover like some icecream and cake, but wash it down with plenty of water to avoid heart issues
How old are you? Past the age of 35, (lower) back pain is very common. There are specific stretching exercises you can do to relieve or minimize this pain. You will need to have someone (a friend, a physical therapist, exercise physiologist, etc.) show you what they are as they are hard to describe. Some are performed while sitting in a chair; others can be done while lying in bed. Here are some i just found... Remember, these are stretching exercises; you goal is to stretch to the indicated position and hold that posture for 15-60 seconds depending on the specific maneuver. Good luck.
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You should try pushing a ford pickup truck around your gym parking lot so everyone can see. I believe its part of the Derik Farnsworth principles
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i am doing things like running 100 yard dashes with two 65 pound dumbells but dam if my lower back right at the base of the spine aint always a little bit tight every day, i wonder if this is a dietary related thing, maybe need more saturated animal fats to recover like some icecream and cake, but wash it down with plenty of water to avoid heart issues
there is only 1 way to cure lower back problems like this.....STRENGTHEN IT!!
just do hyper extensions often, and it will go away.....whenever my lower back starts to hurt i always dido more to strengthen it....now i just do extensions everyday, and havent had lower back pain in a long time..
bench
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I had to take four whole weeks off one summer just so my lower back could recover.
cheat a little and eat some protein just for a few weeks so it'll repair.
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there is only 1 way to cure lower back problems like this.....STRENGTHEN IT!!
just do hyper extensions often, and it will go away.....whenever my lower back starts to hurt i always dido more to strengthen it....now i just do extensions everyday, and havent had lower back pain in a long time..
bench
yes that or like super light deadlifts for reps to stretch it and pump it up to recover it
fuck i stepped on a nail yester day and went in my toe so not sure if im gonna run wid dose dumbells
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if it doesn't get progressively worse you should be okay, try jumping squats with the same dbs.
yes imagine verticle leap after doin this
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The back needs to be looked at with X-rays and an MRI
You may have some degree of scoliosis
You may have spondo- spondylolisthesis (dangerous intravertrabal slipping) spondylesis, forimanal narrowing, facet arothrapy, and some kind of multi-level degenerative disc problem going on, maybe even a bulging disc.
This stuff doesnt get better by itself. It can continue to get worse until you are incapacitated, or you might be able to keep it in check, but it can't really be 'fixed"
You would be in therapy forever. I wouldnt exacerbate the situation. Pretty soon you may not be able to walk.
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The back needs to be looked at with X-rays and an MRI
You may have some degree of scoliosis
You may have spondo- spondylolisthesis (dangerous intravertrabal slipping) spondylesis, forimanal narrowing, facet arothrapy, and some kind of multi-level degenerative disc problem going on, maybe even a bulging disc.
This stuff doesnt get better by itself. It can continue to get worse until you are incapacitated, or you might be able to keep it in check, but it can't really be 'fixed"
You would be in therapy forever. I wouldnt exacerbate the situation. Pretty soon you may not be able to walk.
i think my lower back simply cant handle punishment like my other muscles, it always gets better when i do exercises that dont effect the lower back
i tried to do some back extensions and stretching for lower back and it only made it 10 times worse
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i am doing things like running 100 yard dashes with two 65 pound dumbells but dam if my lower back right at the base of the spine aint always a little bit tight every day, i wonder if this is a dietary related thing, maybe need more saturated animal fats to recover like some icecream and cake, but wash it down with plenty of water to avoid heart issues
Can you say...duh?
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i am doing things like running 100 yard dashes with two 65 pound dumbells but dam if my lower back right at the base of the spine aint always a little bit tight every day, i wonder if this is a dietary related thing, maybe need more saturated animal fats to recover like some icecream and cake, but wash it down with plenty of water to avoid heart issues
so this is the only thing you achieved with your stupid diet an training, destroying your lower back.
Oh man.
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The back needs to be looked at with X-rays and an MRI
You may have some degree of scoliosis
You may have spondo- spondylolisthesis (dangerous intravertrabal slipping) spondylesis, forimanal narrowing, facet arothrapy, and some kind of multi-level degenerative disc problem going on, maybe even a bulging disc.
This stuff doesnt get better by itself. It can continue to get worse until you are incapacitated, or you might be able to keep it in check, but it can't really be 'fixed"
You would be in therapy forever. I wouldn't exacerbate the situation. Pretty soon you may not be able to walk.
Yes good post and true, sounds like he has a Bulging disc or discs already (its not uncommon alot of people have disc bulges and dont even know about it til it gets nasty) and yes the next step along from the sore Lower back ( consistent soreness) is a Ruptured disc....and yip you can not walk when that happens, one day you get out of bed....collapse onto the floor...you get the wife to call a ambulance to take you to hospitable because you are lieing on the floor not being able to move thinking you are paralyzed it will be the WORST pain you will more than likely ever feel as your disc material that was INSIDE your disc is now pushing Violently on your Spinal AND sciatic nerve, when there they pump you full of Morphine and fuck knows what else needles etc etc... strap you into a Hospitable stretcher then put you though the MRI machine which is as loud as hell, you get taken home and spend the best part of 8-10 weeks straight lieing on your back in pain taking shit loads of "pain relief" more tests...more pain...Constipation...Co rtisone injections into your Lower spine you will STILL feel that fucking nasty large ass needle hitting the disc, Nasty Spasms non- stop 24/7 up your leg and spine for 4-5 months NON-STOP, you cannot stand 4 longer than 30 seconds @ a Time then YOU have to lie down or you FALL down... spend the best part of the day crawling bit by bit to the toilet, can only lie and sleep on your side with your knees up, get 2-3 hrs sleep Max a night, can not work for 4-5 months straight and it just gets alot nastier and nastier... etc etc etc...
Bottom line keep pushing and pushing the boundary's like myself and many other have done over the years with crazy HEAVY weights with BAD FORM year after year after year...sooner or later your back will break....Literally.... and as dyslexic has also correctly stated you are in fact able (after 12-16 months or more) to be able to keep it in check but it will never be "fixed again" you just get on with it best you can and be thankful you can actually just walk again thats the reality Johnny no bull-shit take it or leave it. :) :) :)
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Yes good post and true, sounds like he has a Bulging disc or discs already (its not uncommon alot of people have disc bulges and dont even know about it til it gets nasty) and yes the next step along from the sore Lower back ( consistent soreness) is a Ruptured disc....and yip you can not walk when that happens, one day you get out of bed....collapse onto the floor...you get the wife to call a ambulance to take you to hospitable because you are lieing on the floor not being able to move thinking you are paralyzed it will be the WORST pain you will more than likely ever feel as your disc material that was INSIDE your disc is now pushing Violently on your Spinal AND sciatic nerve, when there they pump you full of Morphine and fuck knows what else needles etc etc... strap you into a Hospitable stretcher then put you though the MRI machine which is as loud as hell, you get taken home and spend the best part of 8-10 weeks straight lieing on your back in pain taking shit loads of "pain relief" more tests...more pain...Constipation...Co rtisone injections into your Lower spine you will STILL feel that fucking nasty large ass needle hitting the disc, Nasty Spasms non- stop 24/7 up your leg and spine for 4-5 months NON-STOP, you cannot stand 4 longer than 30 seconds @ a Time then YOU have to lie down or you FALL down... spend the best part of the day crawling bit by bit to the toilet, can only lie and sleep on your side with your knees up, get 2-3 hrs sleep Max a night, can not work for 4-5 months straight and it just gets alot nastier and nastier... etc etc etc...
Bottom line keep pushing and pushing the boundary's like myself and many other have done over the years with crazy HEAVY weights with BAD FORM year after year after year...sooner or later your back will break....Literally.... and as dyslexic has also correctly stated you are in fact able (after 12-16 months or more) to be able to keep it in check but it will never be "fixed again" you just get on with it best you can and be thankful you can actually just walk again thats the reality Johnny no bull-shit take it or leave it. :) :) :)
i agree
what baffles me is that the lower back simply doesnt recover like all the other muscles. you can destroy chest and quads and biceps every day but once you back has that same soreness you cant hardly move
i was reading how when your back starts to get over taxed and sore, it becomes inflamed and hitting the bundles of nerves and theres no way around it unless to lay off from things hitting your lower back.
too bad there isnt a topical like supplement that deflames/repairs lower back muscle
its sucks that the lower back is such a weak link, i really enjoy running with those dumbells and the workout it gives, all my muscles can handle it except my freakin lower back. maybe with some falcon research i can find out about a secret supplement
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john i think you looked best when it looked like you were using steroids--go back to doing that brother
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if there were a steroid that repaird my lower back and didnt give me any side effects and didnt effect other areas of my body and was completley localized to my lower back then with investigation i would look into it, but most likely it doesnt exist only in theory.
otherwise angry people are the perfect candidates for steroid use, they cannot accept the way they look, i could always mostly accept the way i look thats why i always changed diet and training... i can accept not being totally ripped and big can you?
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i agree
what baffles me is that the lower back simply doesnt recover like all the other muscles. you can destroy chest and quads and biceps every day but once you back has that same soreness you cant hardly move
i was reading how when your back starts to get over taxed and sore, it becomes inflamed and hitting the bundles of nerves and theres no way around it unless to lay off from things hitting your lower back.
too bad there isnt a topical like supplement that deflames/repairs lower back muscle
its sucks that the lower back is such a weak link, i really enjoy running with those dumbells and the workout it gives, all my muscles can handle it except my freakin lower back. maybe with some falcon research i can find out about a secret supplement
Thats because you are fucking up your spine and not you lower back muscles.
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Thats because you are fucking up your spine and not you lower back muscles.
are you suggesting lifting with my back muscles and not my spine?
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if your back is giving you that much pain switch to hack squats but make sure you use one that don't wreck your knees.
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i agree
what baffles me is that the lower back simply doesnt recover like all the other muscles. you can destroy chest and quads and biceps every day but once you back has that same soreness you cant hardly move
i was reading how when your back starts to get over taxed and sore, it becomes inflamed and hitting the bundles of nerves and theres no way around it unless to lay off from things hitting your lower back.
too bad there isnt a topical like supplement that deflames/repairs lower back muscle
its sucks that the lower back is such a weak link, i really enjoy running with those dumbells and the workout it gives, all my muscles can handle it except my freakin lower back. maybe with some falcon research i can find out about a secret supplement
Problem is a twisting and compression of the vertabre on the nerves hence chiropractics were founded as to get the alignment back from the nerves. Once you have a low back problem this will always have to addressed. I injured mine on deadlifts once it has never been the same but have found ways to adjust the vertabre's myself.
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if there were a steroid that repaird my lower back and didnt give me any side effects and didnt effect other areas of my body and was completley localized to my lower back then with investigation i would look into it, but most likely it doesnt exist only in theory.
otherwise angry people are the perfect candidates for steroid use, they cannot accept the way they look, i could always mostly accept the way i look thats why i always changed diet and training... i can accept not being totally ripped and big can you?
But i think thats when you looked your best - so what ever you were doing then worked 8)
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How old are you? Past the age of 35, (lower) back pain is very common. There are specific stretching exercises you can do to relieve or minimize this pain. You will need to have someone (a friend, a physical therapist, exercise physiologist, etc.) show you what they are as they are hard to describe. Some are performed while sitting in a chair; others can be done while lying in bed. Here are some i just found... Remember, these are stretching exercises; you goal is to stretch to the indicated position and hold that posture for 15-60 seconds depending on the specific maneuver. Good luck.
Excellent advice. That diagram is spot on with regards to good stretching techniques.
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Excellent advice. That diagram is spot on with regards to good stretching techniques.
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i dont think the stretching helps it, it may only 'feel good' but it doesnt help
the lower back muscles seem so unconquerable compared to other body parts that it pisses me off that there is no way around the pain except to not bother it :(
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8) Amazing low backs right there.
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if there were a steroid that repaird my lower back and didnt give me any side effects and didnt effect other areas of my body and was completley localized to my lower back then with investigation i would look into it, but most likely it doesnt exist only in theory.
otherwise angry people are the perfect candidates for steroid use, they cannot accept the way they look, i could always mostly accept the way i look thats why i always changed diet and training... i can accept not being totally ripped and big can you?
;D we werent all born 6'6'", "epic leanz" genetics and a huge dick falcon..
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Could be bad posture. common in tall characters
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How much meth do you smoke before your runs?
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i agree
what baffles me is that the lower back simply doesnt recover like all the other muscles. you can destroy chest and quads and biceps every day but once you back has that same soreness you cant hardly move
i was reading how when your back starts to get over taxed and sore, it becomes inflamed and hitting the bundles of nerves and theres no way around it unless to lay off from things hitting your lower back.
too bad there isnt a topical like supplement that deflames/repairs lower back muscle
its sucks that the lower back is such a weak link, i really enjoy running with those dumbells and the workout it gives, all my muscles can handle it except my freakin lower back. maybe with some falcon research i can find out about a secret supplement
What you have to understand is that all of your nerves at some point run through the spine. So let's say that you get Spondylo (where the disc slippage begins)- the result will be a bulging intravertebral disc, the question is this: will the disc detioriate, push out the front, or push out the back? Either way the nerves will get trapped in what is called "forimanal narrowing" and probably some form of "facet arthropathy"- since you can't (in the U.S) replace the discs, the only thing you can really do is try to straighten the discs that are "subluxated" by some type of manipulation, which is usually done by a chiropractor. One would only hope that you would be referred to a chiro who takes X-rays and understands what your MRI or neurologist states in his limitations. This may ease the pain somewhat (along with P.K's)- but then you have to deal with the constant adjustment of the surrounding musculature. They may spasm, they may constrict, they may stretch, and it will all be dependent on your genetic structure, how you sleep, and what you do during the day.
If your disc is bulging out the front (rare) the last thing you want to do are hyperextensions. If your disc is popping out the back, the last thing you want to do are flexion exercises. Sitting may even be a problem because when you sit, the muscles relax and the total weigh of your UB rests on these fucked up discs which in turn, press even harder on the nerves. The nerves will inflame and the opening (tunnel) for the nerves will seemingly constrict.
Back injurious are insidious: By the time you realize that your back is severely fucked up, the damage has already been done without your knowledge. Like the previous poster (??? sorry) said, you will wind up on the floor crawling around the damn house wondering WTF?
Deadlifting is a great way to build total body musculature. It is one of the "kings' of all exercise, but when you get older, not only will you NEVER attempt them again, you will also wish you had NEVER done them in the first place. There is a point in the deadlift during the lift where your weakest link has to be incorporated. I firmly believe that this is where it all starts.
Even Frank Zane says if he had to do it all over again, he would not have lifted as heavy and as long as he did. Sure, he developed fantastic side delts, but he says he's been paying the price with daily pain ever since- to the point of where he can't even work his shoulders anymore.
when you are young....ahhhhhhhhh... to be young and have a chance to do it all over again, knowing what you know now.
Good luck my friend. The Pain Killers and the anti-inflammatories will fuck you up worse than your back in the end. At the same time, I've never met anyone who has had a "successful" back surgery to where there is no residual pain.
this is why Workers Comp Insurance companies fight tooth and nail over back injuries. They are insidious, they are hard to "prove" with even MRI's, EKG's, Cats, and X-rays, yet they are very real, and just about 80% of the population sports a sore back at one time or another- or eventually.
Call it wear and tear, old age, whatever. I say, be fucking careful NOW and think real hard about those special "lifts" you perform in the gym. Just cuz someone say's they work, doesn't mean they are not permanently detrimental to your health.
I could start another diatribe on the idiocracy of bench pressing. I'll just count my blessings that this isn't a powerlifting forum. ;D
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How about you stop doing sprints with 130lbs lol
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What you have to understand is that all of your nerves at some point run through the spine. So let's say that you get Spondylo (where the disc slippage begins)- the result will be a bulging intravertebral disc, the question is this: will the disc detioriate, push out the front, or push out the back? Either way the nerves will get trapped in what is called "forimanal narrowing" and probably some form of "facet arthropathy"- since you can't (in the U.S) replace the discs, the only thing you can really do is try to straighten the discs that are "subluxated" by some type of manipulation, which is usually done by a chiropractor. One would only hope that you would be referred to a chiro who takes X-rays and understands what your MRI or neurologist states in his limitations. This may ease the pain somewhat (along with P.K's)- but then you have to deal with the constant adjustment of the surrounding musculature. They may spasm, they may constrict, they may stretch, and it will all be dependent on your genetic structure, how you sleep, and what you do during the day.
If your disc is bulging out the front (rare) the last thing you want to do are hyperextensions. If your disc is popping out the back, the last thing you want to do are flexion exercises. Sitting may even be a problem because when you sit, the muscles relax and the total weigh of your UB rests on these fucked up discs which in turn, press even harder on the nerves. The nerves will inflame and the opening (tunnel) for the nerves will seemingly constrict.
Back injurious are insidious: By the time you realize that your back is severely fucked up, the damage has already been done without your knowledge. Like the previous poster (??? sorry) said, you will wind up on the floor crawling around the damn house wondering WTF?
Deadlifting is a great way to build total body musculature. It is one of the "kings' of all exercise, but when you get older, not only will you NEVER attempt them again, you will also wish you had NEVER done them in the first place. There is a point in the deadlift during the lift where your weakest link has to be incorporated. I firmly believe that this is where it all starts.
Even Frank Zane says if he had to do it all over again, he would not have lifted as heavy and as long as he did. Sure, he developed fantastic side delts, but he says he's been paying the price with daily pain ever since- to the point of where he can't even work his shoulders anymore.
when you are young....ahhhhhhhhh... to be young and have a chance to do it all over again, knowing what you know now.
Good luck my friend. The Pain Killers and the anti-inflammatories will fuck you up worse than your back in the end. At the same time, I've never met anyone who has had a "successful" back surgery to where there is no residual pain.
this is why Workers Comp Insurance companies fight tooth and nail over back injuries. They are insidious, they are hard to "prove" with even MRI's, EKG's, Cats, and X-rays, yet they are very real, and just about 80% of the population sports a sore back at one time or another- or eventually.
Call it wear and tear, old age, whatever. I say, be fucking careful NOW and think real hard about those special "lifts" you perform in the gym. Just cuz someone say's they work, doesn't mean they are not permanently detrimental to your health.
I could start another diatribe on the idiocracy of bench pressing. I'll just count my blessings that this isn't a powerlifting forum. ;D
thanks for the advices :) im not taking any pain killers i dont want my organs fried as well.
yeah this is why im probably just going to stick with bodyweight exercises. i think the body is only designed to carry heavy loads very occasionaly like in life or death situations such as running with a weight of 130 pounds like the size of a person you should only do if its a life or death situaton and not a workout :(
so im guessing you dont do deadlifts anymore?
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Ballspew = as funny as a heart attack
P.S: His mom stays HIV positive
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yeah, fallsview was a little funny in the beginning with that nutrient timing stuff but man he is just painful to read now
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"Fallsview" remind you of anyone?
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(http://dougswope.com/images/grimreaper.jpg)
stay positive bro it gets better...........tough guy ::)
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Ballspew = Alex's gimmick to lick his own sack.......
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Ballspew = as funny as a heart attack
P.S: His mom stays HIV positive
Me thinks THE GAYLIFTER has issues ;D
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Me thinks THE GAYLIFTER has issues ;D
Your mom has issues
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Your mom has issues
You know she does.....poor thing having dan's head pass thru her birthing canal..... :-\
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Me thinks THE GAYLIFTER has issues ;D
Don't tell me your mom thought of that one all by herself
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thanks for the advices :) im not taking any pain killers i dont want my organs fried as well.
yeah this is why im probably just going to stick with bodyweight exercises. i think the body is only designed to carry heavy loads very occasionaly like in life or death situations such as running with a weight of 130 pounds like the size of a person you should only do if its a life or death situaton and not a workout :(
so im guessing you dont do deadlifts anymore?
I would still do rack partials, more like just static holds of an extremely heavy weight. It does put some minor compression on the spine, but I'm always cinched up real tight. Partial rack holds/shrugs/partial deads can be used without hurting anything and still let your body know that you are training heavy.
The Golgi tendon response in your hands tells the muscles that you still need the nervous impulses to be able to manage heavy weights. I do lots of heavy lifts, just none that put my LB in a vulnerable place.
Heavy rack shrugs are great for the traps, neck, delts and overall "muscle memory"- once you start bending, that's where you become succeptible to long term injury.
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;D we werent all born 6'6'", "epic leanz" genetics and a huge dick falcon..
nothing gay about this post ... ::) ::) ::)
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nothing gay about this post ... ::) ::) ::)
tperez..... :-\
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What you have to understand is that all of your nerves at some point run through the spine. So let's say that you get Spondylo (where the disc slippage begins)- the result will be a bulging intravertebral disc, the question is this: will the disc detioriate, push out the front, or push out the back? Either way the nerves will get trapped in what is called "forimanal narrowing" and probably some form of "facet arthropathy"- since you can't (in the U.S) replace the discs, the only thing you can really do is try to straighten the discs that are "subluxated" by some type of manipulation, which is usually done by a chiropractor. One would only hope that you would be referred to a chiro who takes X-rays and understands what your MRI or neurologist states in his limitations. This may ease the pain somewhat (along with P.K's)- but then you have to deal with the constant adjustment of the surrounding musculature. They may spasm, they may constrict, they may stretch, and it will all be dependent on your genetic structure, how you sleep, and what you do during the day.
If your disc is bulging out the front (rare) the last thing you want to do are hyperextensions. If your disc is popping out the back, the last thing you want to do are flexion exercises. Sitting may even be a problem because when you sit, the muscles relax and the total weigh of your UB rests on these fucked up discs which in turn, press even harder on the nerves. The nerves will inflame and the opening (tunnel) for the nerves will seemingly constrict.
Back injurious are insidious: By the time you realize that your back is severely fucked up, the damage has already been done without your knowledge. Like the previous poster (??? sorry) said, you will wind up on the floor crawling around the damn house wondering WTF?
Deadlifting is a great way to build total body musculature. It is one of the "kings' of all exercise, but when you get older, not only will you NEVER attempt them again, you will also wish you had NEVER done them in the first place. There is a point in the deadlift during the lift where your weakest link has to be incorporated. I firmly believe that this is where it all starts.
Even Frank Zane says if he had to do it all over again, he would not have lifted as heavy and as long as he did. Sure, he developed fantastic side delts, but he says he's been paying the price with daily pain ever since- to the point of where he can't even work his shoulders anymore.
when you are young....ahhhhhhhhh... to be young and have a chance to do it all over again, knowing what you know now.
Good luck my friend. The Pain Killers and the anti-inflammatories will fuck you up worse than your back in the end. At the same time, I've never met anyone who has had a "successful" back surgery to where there is no residual pain.
this is why Workers Comp Insurance companies fight tooth and nail over back injuries. They are insidious, they are hard to "prove" with even MRI's, EKG's, Cats, and X-rays, yet they are very real, and just about 80% of the population sports a sore back at one time or another- or eventually.
Call it wear and tear, old age, whatever. I say, be fucking careful NOW and think real hard about those special "lifts" you perform in the gym. Just cuz someone say's they work, doesn't mean they are not permanently detrimental to your health.
I could start another diatribe on the idiocracy of bench pressing. I'll just count my blessings that this isn't a powerlifting forum. ;D
one of the very few smart comment on here. i guess jhonny moron will ignore it. But yeah whats the point of destroying ur body because your insecure about your muscle mass... so many heavy lifters destroying their back for nothing...
i also agree that becnh press destroys your shoulders. In fact the helathiest way to workout is to do dips for both chest and tris. crunches for abs. and biceps curls. and voila you ve got a healthy and impressive enough physique for 99%of the population. now everything else is predeterminated by your genetics, your somatotype. If you ll look ''big'', ''lean'' etc.fact is lifting weights works the same for everyone whatever gender and age, it builds muscles period.
i too looked great when i lifted religiously for 5 years in a row being ''on'' creatine . this is also when johny daddy waddy looked his best. round full muscles, tons of water retention...then i hapened to get a life and meanginful relationships . I didnt care much about having the biggestmuscles and focused on more important things in life. Do not destroy your body for nothing you ll regret it later. train healthy and do other things, seriously.
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From another forum
Not sure if anyone has tried this but I thought I would share. I hope it helps someone.
I’ve had chronic neck and back pain for at least the last five years. My right shoulder blade always aches and throbs, radiates pain up my neck, and makes me really cautious when rolling.
Over the 10 years that I’ve trained jiu jitsu, I’ve been thrown on my head multiple times, had my neck twisted and cranked every way, and busted up the ac joint in my shoulder more than once.
I have gotten used to being in pain and just figured it was the result of training and getting older. I’ll be 43 in September.
The last year I’ve gotten slower, less limber and had more aches and pains than normal. I can still train with all the younger guys and do well but I was starting to feel like I was getting older. My knees ached so much and grew so stiff that I gave up butterfly guard. Sitting on my heels in guard was getting harder.
Fortunately, in addition to jiu jitsu I’ve also practiced ashtanga yoga and this has literally made my life tolerable.
In an attempt to alleviate my aching shoulder and neck, I’ve spent thousands of dollars on massage therapy, done every kind of exercise imaginable to loosen up my neck and shoulder, bought a $2500 mattress that was supposed to properly support my body, and made my girlfriend rub my shoulder and neck almost every day.
Everything has worked to some extent but nothing has “cured” me.
Until now.
I wish I’d discovered some fancy cure that I could sell on tv and the internet for millions but the remedy costs nothing at all.
I’ve given up my bed and started sleeping on my back on a hardwood floor.
After five nights of this, I feel 1,000 times better. My whole body seems like it has gone back in time 20 years.
It takes time to get used to. You have to commit to sleeping on the floor for at least a week.
The first night was the hardest. I was only able to sleep for about 30 minutes. The rest of the time the most amazing thing started happening. I could literally feel my body release all the tension it had held for so long. My neck let go, my shoulder loosened up, my belly relaxed, my legs and hips let go. My knees got more flexible. I felt my whole body unwind.
When I got up in the morning, I felt like a new person. I was more flexible that I had been in years.
The next night I was exhausted and ended up sleeping for 9 hours. Felt much better the next day but ten years or more of pain is not going away after two nights.
Third night, I slept five or six hours. I woke up in the middle of the night and stretched for two hours and my body once again released tension in every joint and area.
Fourth night, more of the same. Woke up for a couple of hours and stretched, then back to sleep.
I can’t explain the stretching exactly but it’s not like the normal struggle to touch your toes. People always talk about their muscles being tight. From my understanding, our muscles don’t really get tight or shorten up like we tend to think. The fascia that wraps our muscles is what gets tight and causes us pain. A therapist explained it to me by using a sweater analogy. The fascia wraps our body like a sweater. When you get hurt, the fascia tightens and starts to twist around the muscles like when you wring out a sweater when it’s wet.
Sleeping on the floor has helped unwrap the fascia and led to this sensation of release. I’ll wake up from a dead sleep when I feel the sensation of the fascia unwrapping. It’s one of the greatest feelings I’ve ever had. From a dead sleep I’ll be able to stretch anywhere from two to twelve inches farther than I have before.
The fifth night was more of the same. I didn’t wake up to stretch, though. I did feel my body lengthening and loosening. My limbs felt like they were releasing from the shoulder and hip socket. Normally, I have a significant sway in my back and my low back is usually four to six inches off the floor. Now that curve has started to flatten out and my low back is maybe an inch or two off the ground.
I really can’t believe how much better I feel. Now as the day goes on and I feel my shoulder tighten up, I can’t wait to get home and lie down on the floor.
I feel so much better. I move better in jiu jitsu. Butterfly guard is much easier. Shoulder rolls and upside down guard are much less of a problem. My knees feel great. My neck feels much better. My shoulder is almost pain free, at least for the first part of the day.
I put my bed up for sale of craigslist today.
(My girlfriend also started sleeping on the floor with me. She hasn’t had the same results; but she hasn’t had the same problems. She says she feels much better and is amazed by the whole experience.)
wow man awesome post! i will begin sleeping on the floor IMMEDIATLEY!
i have had that inclination that i should be doing that for a multitude of reasons anyways. sometimes when im sleepy at work ill just doze off on the floor with the sunlight shining on my face, so relaxing..
this is probably what my body needs is some fullnights sleeping on the floor, the floor is sturdy and like a massage pressing hard on the body, makes sense that most creatures do this aswell, plus its closer to the ground type of energy if that means anything, again great post!
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Johnny- My favorite variety of orange is the seedless navel orange... Discuss.
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Johnny- My favorite variety of orange is the seedless navel orange... Discuss.
but oranges with seeds are life giving, elaborate.
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dude just stop doing stupid exercises destroying your back it s that easy and hope the harm you ve done so far isnt that important . you re still young so it should recover.
now about sleeping on the floor... well... you tell us in one week...
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but oranges with seeds are life giving, elaborate.
According to Wikipedia (the ultimate source for information):
"Today, navel oranges continue to be produced through cutting and grafting. This does not allow for the usual selective breeding methodologies, and so not only do the navel oranges of today have exactly the same genetic makeup as the original tree, and are therefore clones, all navel oranges can be considered to be the fruit of that single nearly two-hundred-year-old tree."
Pretty cool huh
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According to Wikipedia (the ultimate source for information):
"Today, navel oranges continue to be produced through cutting and grafting. This does not allow for the usual selective breeding methodologies, and so not only do the navel oranges of today have exactly the same genetic makeup as the original tree, and are therefore clones, all navel oranges can be considered to be the fruit of that single nearly two-hundred-year-old tree."
Pretty cool huh
wow that is actually interesting
kinda like water its been here since the beginning of time all liquids evaporate then rain down to earth then evaporate again, . water is strange it doesnt seem to be destroyed, i think ufos are mad of this material perhaps to travel back in time since water is time-less= going back in time
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According to Wikipedia (the ultimate source for information):
"Today, navel oranges continue to be produced through cutting and grafting. This does not allow for the usual selective breeding methodologies, and so not only do the navel oranges of today have exactly the same genetic makeup as the original tree, and are therefore clones, all navel oranges can be considered to be the fruit of that single nearly two-hundred-year-old tree."
Pretty cool huh
You can do the same thing with pot. :)
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I legit LOL at this!!
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wow that is actually interesting
kinda like water its been here since the beginning of time all liquids evaporate then rain down to earth then evaporate again, . water is strange it doesnt seem to be destroyed, i think ufos are mad of this material perhaps to travel back in time since water is time-less= going back in time
Yea UFO's definitely are mad that we have water.
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Yea UFO's definitely are mad that we have water.
u know what i mean,
if you think about it water has memory wich is equal to chemical structure, this is why water always remembers to be sticky like drops of water always will form into a puddle
well thats one type of memory, there is another chemical structure/memory that will take us back way long time ago, elaborate.
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u know what i mean,
if you think about it water has memory wich is equal to chemical structure, this is why water always remembers to be sticky like drops of water always will form into a puddle
well thats one type of memory, there is another chemical structure/memory that will take us back way long time ago, elaborate.
I am watching as you type. Keep your lights on tonight.
Death will come quickly.
*fffffffffffffffffft*
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This thread need clarity and truth...
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I am watching as you type. Keep your lights on tonight.
Death will come quickly.
*fffffffffffffffffft*
Silent but deadly.
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I am watching as you type. Keep your lights on tonight.
Death will come quickly.
*fffffffffffffffffft*
tonite i look inside myself once again and ponder this existance in so many ways , my great cranium holds the truth
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Silent but deadly.
Yes I purchased some Kevlar for this reason
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u know what i mean,
if you think about it water has memory wich is equal to chemical structure, this is why water always remembers to be sticky like drops of water always will form into a puddle
well thats one type of memory, there is another chemical structure/memory that will take us back way long time ago, elaborate.
That's deep... What if water "forgot" to remember to be sticky? I mean, everyone is entitled to an off day, right?
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tonite i look inside myself once again and ponder this existance in so many ways , my great cranium holds the truth
Johnny I suggest you eat more navel oranges. 200 years of wisdom packed into a delicious orange sphere.
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That's deep... What if water "forgot" to remember to be sticky? I mean, everyone is entitled to an off day, right?
that would mean a change of the chemical structure or not being water anymore
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You know she does.....poor thing having dan's head pass thru her birthing canal..... :-\
;D
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that would mean a change of the chemical structure or not being water anymore
then what would the approx 70% of the world be, if it wasn't water?!
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You know she does.....poor thing having dan's head pass thru her birthing canal..... :-\
Looks like BDB needs to do a exorcism here.
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Negitive people love company...Nutrient timing is still in FULL EFFECT...ask Lee Priest. I was put in Time out by Roy with a little message..."Be more positive". Well, this board needs me now more than ever! Negativity is at an all time high, the KING23 bashing needs to stop (please refer to him as KING23, many of you are not worthy to call him by Alex)
So people (I will not say gentleman) lets.....
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Negitive people love company...Nutrient timing is still in FULL EFFECT...ask Lee Priest. I was put in Time out by Roy with a little message..."Be more positive". Well, this board needs me now more than ever! Negativity is at an all time high, the KING23 bashing needs to stop (please refer to him as KING23, many of you are not worthy to call him by Alex)
So people (I will not say gentleman) lets.....
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What happens when that fat guy you keep posting pics of finds out your splattering his face all over getbig? Is that dude gonna be pissed or what? You seems like a squirly, hard to pin down kinda guy, I bet you could outrun him. 8)
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What happens when that fat guy you keep posting pics of finds out your splattering his face all over getbig? Is that dude gonna be pissed or what? You seems like a squirly, hard to pin down kinda guy, I bet you could outrun him. 8)
Jer-bear in da house!!!!!!!!
Hey...STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jer-bear in da house!!!!!!!!
Hey...STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dj181 ???
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Thanks byes I really needed this ;D
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This whole thread made me lose my dinner because I laughed so hard...
"water memory", whoa...Deep, like Ocean Deep...
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This whole thread made me lose my dinner because I laughed so hard...
"water memory", whoa...Deep, like Ocean Deep...
Incidentally, I ate Taco Bell for lunch and my urine now smells like Taco Bell (no bullshit)... #topthat
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then what would the approx 70% of the world be, if it wasn't water?!
well the human body is made of 5 basic elements that are found in dirt
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Jer-bear in da house!!!!!!!!
Hey...STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tonight...you sleep...in hell.
*snnnnnnck*
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well the human body is made of 5 basic elements that are found in dirt
so the human body = dirt ???
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well the human body is made of 5 basic elements that are found in dirt
Actually that is not true. the five elements are earth, wind, fire and the ether. We learned this in third grade. Look up Aristotle and ether.
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Actually that is not true. the five elements are earth, wind, fire and the ether. We learned this in third grade. Look up Aristotle and ether.
???
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wow that is actually interesting
kinda like water its been here since the beginning of time all liquids evaporate then rain down to earth then evaporate again, . water is strange it doesnt seem to be destroyed, i think ufos are mad of this material perhaps to travel back in time since water is time-less= going back in time
You are ware that water (H2o) is constantly absorbing gases from the air and changing forums, so unless it's frozen your completely wrong :)
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forgot water.
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so the human body = dirt ???
watch the documentary called "dirt" on netflix, its very enlightening to say the least (http://www.yert.com/images/film_dirt.jpg)
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watch the documentary called "dirt" on netflix, its very enlightening to say the least (http://www.yert.com/images/film_dirt.jpg)
I'm on it!
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i dont think the stretching helps it, it may only 'feel good' but it doesnt help
the lower back muscles seem so unconquerable compared to other body parts that it pisses me off that there is no way around the pain except to not bother it :(
If you really want to know what is going on in your lower back, I can tell you. As I say earlier, it is all about the muscle balance. I bet you prefer sit ups instead of crunch, you don't do hyper extensions at all, and instead of that, you continue that stupidity which you think is "working out". The balance of the muscles in your middle body is important, because it effects to your posture. For example, if you do sit ups, but doesn't strengthen your lower back with same measures, you hip flexor muscles becomes stronger, thicker and same time shorter, and it make your pelvis tilt forward because your muscles in your lower back isn't equal in strength. When this happens, you will suffer lower back pain, meaning extended muscle soreness after any work and pain in your spine because the wrong posture. With lower back you need at the same time some hi rep/low resistance exercise, and some low rep and high resistance exercise to maintain your posture and health of your back. High rep hyper extensions, stiff legged dead lifts or good mornings for endurance, and dead lifts for strength. For abs, just crunch, no sit ups at all. Crunch on the floor, crunch with the rope, crunch in the machine. Sit ups are worst piece of shit for exercise your abs and in same time it is the first exercise you ever learn. That's why everyone is doing it, no because it is good for you, but because they learn it in their childhood.
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What you have to understand is that all of your nerves at some point run through the spine. So let's say that you get Spondylo (where the disc slippage begins)- the result will be a bulging intravertebral disc, the question is this: will the disc detioriate, push out the front, or push out the back? Either way the nerves will get trapped in what is called "forimanal narrowing" and probably some form of "facet arthropathy"- since you can't (in the U.S) replace the discs, the only thing you can really do is try to straighten the discs that are "subluxated" by some type of manipulation, which is usually done by a chiropractor. One would only hope that you would be referred to a chiro who takes X-rays and understands what your MRI or neurologist states in his limitations. This may ease the pain somewhat (along with P.K's)- but then you have to deal with the constant adjustment of the surrounding musculature. They may spasm, they may constrict, they may stretch, and it will all be dependent on your genetic structure, how you sleep, and what you do during the day.
If your disc is bulging out the front (rare) the last thing you want to do are hyperextensions. If your disc is popping out the back, the last thing you want to do are flexion exercises. Sitting may even be a problem because when you sit, the muscles relax and the total weigh of your UB rests on these fucked up discs which in turn, press even harder on the nerves. The nerves will inflame and the opening (tunnel) for the nerves will seemingly constrict.
Back injurious are insidious: By the time you realize that your back is severely fucked up, the damage has already been done without your knowledge. Like the previous poster (??? sorry) said, you will wind up on the floor crawling around the damn house wondering WTF?
Deadlifting is a great way to build total body musculature. It is one of the "kings' of all exercise, but when you get older, not only will you NEVER attempt them again, you will also wish you had NEVER done them in the first place. There is a point in the deadlift during the lift where your weakest link has to be incorporated. I firmly believe that this is where it all starts.
Even Frank Zane says if he had to do it all over again, he would not have lifted as heavy and as long as he did. Sure, he developed fantastic side delts, but he says he's been paying the price with daily pain ever since- to the point of where he can't even work his shoulders anymore.
when you are young....ahhhhhhhhh... to be young and have a chance to do it all over again, knowing what you know now.
Good luck my friend. The Pain Killers and the anti-inflammatories will fuck you up worse than your back in the end. At the same time, I've never met anyone who has had a "successful" back surgery to where there is no residual pain.
this is why Workers Comp Insurance companies fight tooth and nail over back injuries. They are insidious, they are hard to "prove" with even MRI's, EKG's, Cats, and X-rays, yet they are very real, and just about 80% of the population sports a sore back at one time or another- or eventually.
Call it wear and tear, old age, whatever. I say, be fucking careful NOW and think real hard about those special "lifts" you perform in the gym. Just cuz someone say's they work, doesn't mean they are not permanently detrimental to your health.
I could start another diatribe on the idiocracy of bench pressing. I'll just count my blessings that this isn't a powerlifting forum. ;D
And you would be bang on right again especially the Dead-lifting issue, @ Just 18-19yrs old i was D/L over 300kg with no belt X3 and repping 260kg x 6-7 with BAD FORM rounding my back like a Damn crane jerking and bouncing the bar off the floor, Repping 220kg x10-12 ass to the floor on the Squats again with no Belt and Bad form leaning FORWARD...then coming up like a "good morning" lift...rep...after...rep same with heavy 100kg Barbell curls with my Damn back leaning so far back it wasn't funny :-[ :-[ :-[ you are correct it starts from wayyyyyyyy....back and yip you do wish like hell you never done them....but that's what happens when your Younger and don't listen to others around you @ THE TIME...anyone in my book back then that was over 30....was over the hill and "old" and if you couldn't Lift more or were Bigger than me etc etc....you and your advices were full of shit :-[ :-[ :-[...this of course is a very COMMON fault with alot of younger guys... many more than likey here on this very site, now in the Present day i spend alot of time on the Tread-mills/steppers and stationary cycles and walk a hell of a lot these days just to keep in Check...(all the things i use to say were for "wimps" back in the day) and when i look across the floor @ the young guys now more or less doing the same thing i done with Heavy D/L and squats with Terrible form Rep after Rep i know what there future holds for them if they carry on year after year training like that... unfortunately and sadly for them they don't..... :( :( :(...
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(http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b84f69e20128760768a2970c-pi)
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(http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b84f69e20128760768a2970c-pi)
That guy could probably buy the Netherlands if he wanted.
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(http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b84f69e20128760768a2970c-pi)
is that al davis?
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i am doing things like running 100 yard dashes with two 65 pound dumbells but dam if my lower back right at the base of the spine aint always a little bit tight every day, i wonder if this is a dietary related thing, maybe need more saturated animal fats to recover like some icecream and cake, but wash it down with plenty of water to avoid heart issues
do you want the real answer ?
A guru of mine provided this spiritual answer :
This is actually ejaculation/sex related...........sexual weakness
Constant jerking off is a nono , causes alot of male problematics....stop ejaculating a while and notice the difference
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HOW HAS SLEEPING ON THE FLOOR WORKED JOHNNY
it felt good but i think the back is naturally healing on its own, i slept on the floor for two nights but back is 70 percent healed
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it felt good but i think the back is naturally healing on its own, i slept on the floor for two nights but back is 70 percent healed
Yea best to get a hoe to lay on top of you as well to compress the low back area benefits abound from this.
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well i wont quit at it yet since the benefits seem to outweigh the negatives by some margin, im hoping eventually my lower back will adapt, it could take months or years? who knows the limits and capabilities of human, we cant say for certain that us humans cant adapt to running with two 65 pound dumbells
How old are you?
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8)Cake and ice cream a good short boost of energy.
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How old are you?
10
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If you really want to know what is going on in your lower back, I can tell you. As I say earlier, it is all about the muscle balance. I bet you prefer sit ups instead of crunch, you don't do hyper extensions at all, and instead of that, you continue that stupidity which you think is "working out". The balance of the muscles in your middle body is important, because it effects to your posture. For example, if you do sit ups, but doesn't strengthen your lower back with same measures, you hip flexor muscles becomes stronger, thicker and same time shorter, and it make your pelvis tilt forward because your muscles in your lower back isn't equal in strength. When this happens, you will suffer lower back pain, meaning extended muscle soreness after any work and pain in your spine because the wrong posture. With lower back you need at the same time some hi rep/low resistance exercise, and some low rep and high resistance exercise to maintain your posture and health of your back. High rep hyper extensions, stiff legged dead lifts or good mornings for endurance, and dead lifts for strength. For abs, just crunch, no sit ups at all. Crunch on the floor, crunch with the rope, crunch in the machine. Sit ups are worst piece of shit for exercise your abs and in same time it is the first exercise you ever learn. That's why everyone is doing it, no because it is good for you, but because they learn it in their childhood.
i dont do situps, i do hanging leg raises
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i dont do situps, i do hanging leg raises
Didn't read this whole thread but did you ever think your back problem might be because of how heavy you are now ???
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Didn't read this whole thread but did you ever think your back problem might be because of how heavy you are now ???
who knows. but i really have no choice being this massive because i need the calories to work in peace ... less calories=work in anger and less pleasant