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Re: does the lower back ever recover?
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2011, 04:54:04 AM »
if it doesn't get progressively worse you should be okay, try jumping squats with the same dbs.

yes imagine verticle leap after doin this
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Re: does the lower back ever recover?
« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2011, 08:33:38 AM »
The back needs to be looked at with X-rays and an MRI

You may have some degree of scoliosis

You may have spondo- spondylolisthesis (dangerous intravertrabal slipping) spondylesis, forimanal narrowing, facet arothrapy, and some kind of multi-level degenerative disc problem going on, maybe even a bulging disc.

This stuff doesnt get better by itself. It can continue to get worse until you are incapacitated, or you might be able to keep it in check, but it can't really be 'fixed"

You would be in therapy forever. I wouldnt exacerbate the situation. Pretty soon you may not be able to walk.

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Re: does the lower back ever recover?
« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2011, 02:20:02 PM »
The back needs to be looked at with X-rays and an MRI

You may have some degree of scoliosis

You may have spondo- spondylolisthesis (dangerous intravertrabal slipping) spondylesis, forimanal narrowing, facet arothrapy, and some kind of multi-level degenerative disc problem going on, maybe even a bulging disc.

This stuff doesnt get better by itself. It can continue to get worse until you are incapacitated, or you might be able to keep it in check, but it can't really be 'fixed"

You would be in therapy forever. I wouldnt exacerbate the situation. Pretty soon you may not be able to walk.

i think my lower back simply cant handle punishment like my other muscles, it always gets better when i do exercises that dont effect the lower back

i tried to do some back extensions and stretching for lower back and it only made it 10 times worse
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Re: does the lower back ever recover?
« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2011, 02:44:15 PM »
i am doing things like running 100 yard dashes with two 65 pound dumbells but dam if my lower back right at the base of the spine aint always a little bit tight every day, i wonder if this is a dietary related thing, maybe need more saturated animal fats to recover like some icecream and cake, but wash it down with plenty of water to avoid heart issues

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Re: does the lower back ever recover?
« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2011, 05:35:56 PM »
i am doing things like running 100 yard dashes with two 65 pound dumbells but dam if my lower back right at the base of the spine aint always a little bit tight every day, i wonder if this is a dietary related thing, maybe need more saturated animal fats to recover like some icecream and cake, but wash it down with plenty of water to avoid heart issues

so this is the only thing you achieved with your stupid diet an training, destroying your lower back.

Oh man.

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Re: does the lower back ever recover?
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2011, 12:29:31 AM »
The back needs to be looked at with X-rays and an MRI

You may have some degree of scoliosis

You may have spondo- spondylolisthesis (dangerous intravertrabal slipping) spondylesis, forimanal narrowing, facet arothrapy, and some kind of multi-level degenerative disc problem going on, maybe even a bulging disc.

This stuff doesnt get better by itself. It can continue to get worse until you are incapacitated, or you might be able to keep it in check, but it can't really be 'fixed"

You would be in therapy forever. I wouldn't exacerbate the situation. Pretty soon you may not be able to walk.
Yes good post and true, sounds like he has a Bulging disc or discs already (its not uncommon alot of people have disc bulges  and dont even know about it til it gets nasty) and yes the next step along from the sore Lower back ( consistent soreness) is a Ruptured disc....and yip you can not walk when that happens, one day you get out of bed....collapse onto the floor...you get the wife to call a ambulance to take you to hospitable because you are lieing on the floor not being able to move thinking you are paralyzed it will be the WORST pain you will more than likely ever feel as your disc material that was INSIDE your disc is now pushing Violently on your Spinal AND sciatic nerve, when there they pump you full of Morphine and fuck knows what else needles etc etc... strap you into a Hospitable stretcher then put you though the MRI machine which is as loud as hell, you get taken home and spend the best part of 8-10 weeks straight lieing on your back in pain taking shit loads of "pain relief" more tests...more pain...Constipation...Co rtisone injections into your Lower spine you will STILL feel that fucking nasty large ass needle hitting the disc, Nasty Spasms non- stop 24/7 up your leg and spine for 4-5 months NON-STOP, you cannot stand 4 longer than 30 seconds @ a Time then YOU have to lie down or you FALL down... spend the best part of the day crawling bit by bit to the toilet, can only lie and sleep on your side with your knees up, get 2-3 hrs sleep Max a night, can not work for 4-5 months straight and it just gets alot nastier and nastier... etc etc etc...

Bottom line keep pushing and pushing the boundary's like myself and many other have done over the years with crazy HEAVY weights with BAD FORM year after year after year...sooner or later your back will break....Literally.... and as dyslexic has also correctly stated you are in fact able (after 12-16 months or more) to be able to keep it in check but it will never be "fixed again" you just get on with it best you can and be thankful you can actually just walk again thats the reality Johnny no bull-shit take it or leave it. :) :) :)

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Re: does the lower back ever recover?
« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2011, 04:33:56 AM »
Yes good post and true, sounds like he has a Bulging disc or discs already (its not uncommon alot of people have disc bulges  and dont even know about it til it gets nasty) and yes the next step along from the sore Lower back ( consistent soreness) is a Ruptured disc....and yip you can not walk when that happens, one day you get out of bed....collapse onto the floor...you get the wife to call a ambulance to take you to hospitable because you are lieing on the floor not being able to move thinking you are paralyzed it will be the WORST pain you will more than likely ever feel as your disc material that was INSIDE your disc is now pushing Violently on your Spinal AND sciatic nerve, when there they pump you full of Morphine and fuck knows what else needles etc etc... strap you into a Hospitable stretcher then put you though the MRI machine which is as loud as hell, you get taken home and spend the best part of 8-10 weeks straight lieing on your back in pain taking shit loads of "pain relief" more tests...more pain...Constipation...Co rtisone injections into your Lower spine you will STILL feel that fucking nasty large ass needle hitting the disc, Nasty Spasms non- stop 24/7 up your leg and spine for 4-5 months NON-STOP, you cannot stand 4 longer than 30 seconds @ a Time then YOU have to lie down or you FALL down... spend the best part of the day crawling bit by bit to the toilet, can only lie and sleep on your side with your knees up, get 2-3 hrs sleep Max a night, can not work for 4-5 months straight and it just gets alot nastier and nastier... etc etc etc...

Bottom line keep pushing and pushing the boundary's like myself and many other have done over the years with crazy HEAVY weights with BAD FORM year after year after year...sooner or later your back will break....Literally.... and as dyslexic has also correctly stated you are in fact able (after 12-16 months or more) to be able to keep it in check but it will never be "fixed again" you just get on with it best you can and be thankful you can actually just walk again thats the reality Johnny no bull-shit take it or leave it. :) :) :)

i agree

what baffles me is that the lower back simply doesnt recover like all the other muscles. you can destroy chest and quads and biceps every day but once you back has that same soreness you cant hardly move

i was reading how when your back starts to get over taxed and sore, it becomes inflamed and hitting the bundles of nerves and theres no way around it unless to lay off from things hitting your lower back.

too bad there isnt a topical like supplement that deflames/repairs lower back muscle

its sucks that the lower back is such a weak link, i really enjoy running with those dumbells and the workout it gives, all my muscles can handle it except my freakin lower back. maybe with some falcon research i can find out about a secret supplement
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Re: does the lower back ever recover?
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2011, 04:45:03 AM »
john i think you looked best when it looked like you were using steroids--go back to doing that brother

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Re: does the lower back ever recover?
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2011, 04:55:27 AM »
if there were a steroid that repaird my lower back and didnt give me any side effects and didnt effect other areas of my body and was completley localized to my lower back then with investigation i would look into it, but most likely it doesnt exist only in theory.

otherwise angry people are the perfect candidates for steroid use, they cannot accept the way they look, i could always mostly accept the way i look thats why i always changed diet and training... i can accept not being totally ripped and big can you?
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Re: does the lower back ever recover?
« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2011, 04:59:25 AM »
i agree

what baffles me is that the lower back simply doesnt recover like all the other muscles. you can destroy chest and quads and biceps every day but once you back has that same soreness you cant hardly move

i was reading how when your back starts to get over taxed and sore, it becomes inflamed and hitting the bundles of nerves and theres no way around it unless to lay off from things hitting your lower back.

too bad there isnt a topical like supplement that deflames/repairs lower back muscle

its sucks that the lower back is such a weak link, i really enjoy running with those dumbells and the workout it gives, all my muscles can handle it except my freakin lower back. maybe with some falcon research i can find out about a secret supplement
Thats because you are fucking up your spine and not you lower back muscles.

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Re: does the lower back ever recover?
« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2011, 05:05:28 AM »
Thats because you are fucking up your spine and not you lower back muscles.

are you suggesting lifting with my back muscles and not my spine?
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Re: does the lower back ever recover?
« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2011, 10:03:51 AM »
if your back is giving you that much pain switch to hack squats but  make sure you use one that don't wreck your knees.
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Re: does the lower back ever recover?
« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2011, 02:54:31 PM »
i agree

what baffles me is that the lower back simply doesnt recover like all the other muscles. you can destroy chest and quads and biceps every day but once you back has that same soreness you cant hardly move

i was reading how when your back starts to get over taxed and sore, it becomes inflamed and hitting the bundles of nerves and theres no way around it unless to lay off from things hitting your lower back.

too bad there isnt a topical like supplement that deflames/repairs lower back muscle

its sucks that the lower back is such a weak link, i really enjoy running with those dumbells and the workout it gives, all my muscles can handle it except my freakin lower back. maybe with some falcon research i can find out about a secret supplement
Problem is a twisting and compression of the vertabre on the nerves hence chiropractics were founded as to get the alignment back from the nerves. Once you have a low back problem this will always have to addressed. I injured mine on deadlifts once it has never been the same but have found ways to adjust the vertabre's myself.

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Re: does the lower back ever recover?
« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2011, 02:56:53 PM »
if there were a steroid that repaird my lower back and didnt give me any side effects and didnt effect other areas of my body and was completley localized to my lower back then with investigation i would look into it, but most likely it doesnt exist only in theory.

otherwise angry people are the perfect candidates for steroid use, they cannot accept the way they look, i could always mostly accept the way i look thats why i always changed diet and training... i can accept not being totally ripped and big can you?
But i think thats when you looked your best - so what ever you were doing then worked  8)

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Re: does the lower back ever recover?
« Reply #39 on: February 17, 2011, 03:00:46 PM »
How old are you?  Past the age of 35, (lower) back pain is very common.  There are specific stretching exercises you can do to relieve or minimize this pain.  You will need to have someone (a friend, a physical therapist, exercise physiologist, etc.) show you what they are as they are hard to describe.  Some are performed while sitting in a chair; others can be done while lying in bed.  Here are some i just found...  Remember, these are stretching exercises; you goal is to stretch to the indicated position and hold that posture for 15-60 seconds depending on the specific maneuver.  Good luck.

Excellent advice.  That diagram is spot on with regards to good stretching techniques.

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Re: does the lower back ever recover?
« Reply #40 on: February 17, 2011, 03:04:46 PM »
Excellent advice.  That diagram is spot on with regards to good stretching techniques.

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i dont think the stretching helps it, it may only 'feel good' but it doesnt help

the lower back muscles seem so unconquerable compared to other body parts that it pisses me off that there is no way around the pain except to not bother it :(
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Re: does the lower back ever recover?
« Reply #41 on: February 17, 2011, 04:02:39 PM »
 8) Amazing low backs right there.

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Re: does the lower back ever recover?
« Reply #42 on: February 17, 2011, 11:16:12 PM »
if there were a steroid that repaird my lower back and didnt give me any side effects and didnt effect other areas of my body and was completley localized to my lower back then with investigation i would look into it, but most likely it doesnt exist only in theory.

otherwise angry people are the perfect candidates for steroid use, they cannot accept the way they look, i could always mostly accept the way i look thats why i always changed diet and training... i can accept not being totally ripped and big can you?
  ;D we werent all born 6'6'", "epic leanz" genetics and a huge dick falcon.. 

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Re: does the lower back ever recover?
« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2011, 12:00:24 AM »
Could be bad posture. common in tall characters

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Re: does the lower back ever recover?
« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2011, 12:19:59 AM »

How much meth do you smoke before your runs?

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Re: does the lower back ever recover?
« Reply #45 on: February 18, 2011, 12:40:05 AM »
i agree

what baffles me is that the lower back simply doesnt recover like all the other muscles. you can destroy chest and quads and biceps every day but once you back has that same soreness you cant hardly move

i was reading how when your back starts to get over taxed and sore, it becomes inflamed and hitting the bundles of nerves and theres no way around it unless to lay off from things hitting your lower back.

too bad there isnt a topical like supplement that deflames/repairs lower back muscle

its sucks that the lower back is such a weak link, i really enjoy running with those dumbells and the workout it gives, all my muscles can handle it except my freakin lower back. maybe with some falcon research i can find out about a secret supplement


What you have to understand is that all of your nerves at some point run through the spine.  So let's say that you get Spondylo (where the disc slippage begins)- the result will be a bulging intravertebral disc, the question is this: will the disc detioriate, push out the front, or push out the back? Either way the nerves will get trapped in what is called "forimanal narrowing" and probably some form of "facet arthropathy"- since you can't (in the U.S) replace the discs, the only thing you can really do is try to straighten the discs that are "subluxated" by some type of manipulation, which is usually done by a chiropractor. One would only hope that you would be referred to a chiro who takes X-rays and understands what your MRI or neurologist states in his limitations. This may ease the pain somewhat (along with P.K's)- but then you have to deal with the constant adjustment of the surrounding musculature. They may spasm, they may constrict, they may stretch, and it will all be dependent on your genetic structure, how you sleep, and what you do during the day.

If your disc is bulging out the front (rare) the last thing you want to do are hyperextensions. If your disc is popping out the back, the last thing you want to do are flexion exercises. Sitting may even be a problem because when you sit, the muscles relax and the total weigh of your UB rests on these fucked up discs which in turn, press even harder on the nerves. The nerves will inflame and the opening (tunnel) for the nerves will seemingly constrict.

Back injurious are insidious: By the time you realize that your back is severely fucked up, the damage has already been done without your knowledge. Like the previous poster (??? sorry) said, you will wind up on the floor crawling around the damn house wondering WTF?


Deadlifting is a great way to build total body musculature. It is one of the "kings' of all exercise, but when you get older, not only will you NEVER attempt them again, you will also wish you had NEVER done them in the first place. There is a point in the deadlift during the lift where your weakest link has to be incorporated. I firmly believe that this is where it all starts.

Even Frank Zane says if he had to do it all over again, he would not have lifted as heavy and as long as he did. Sure, he developed fantastic side delts, but he says he's been paying the price with daily pain ever since- to the point of where he can't even work his shoulders anymore.

when you are young....ahhhhhhhhh... to be young and have a chance to do it all over again, knowing what you know now.


Good luck my friend. The Pain Killers and the anti-inflammatories will fuck you up worse than your back in the end. At the same time, I've never met anyone who has had a "successful" back surgery to where there is no residual pain.


this is why Workers Comp Insurance companies fight tooth and nail over back injuries. They are insidious, they are hard to "prove" with even MRI's, EKG's, Cats, and X-rays, yet they are very real, and just about 80% of the population sports a sore back at one time or another- or eventually.


Call it wear and tear, old age, whatever. I say, be fucking careful NOW and think real hard about those special "lifts" you perform in the gym. Just cuz someone say's they work, doesn't mean they are not permanently detrimental to your health.

I could start another diatribe on the idiocracy of bench pressing. I'll just count my blessings that this isn't a powerlifting forum.  ;D

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Re: does the lower back ever recover?
« Reply #47 on: February 18, 2011, 04:12:52 AM »
How about you stop doing sprints with 130lbs lol
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Re: does the lower back ever recover?
« Reply #48 on: February 18, 2011, 04:50:45 AM »

What you have to understand is that all of your nerves at some point run through the spine.  So let's say that you get Spondylo (where the disc slippage begins)- the result will be a bulging intravertebral disc, the question is this: will the disc detioriate, push out the front, or push out the back? Either way the nerves will get trapped in what is called "forimanal narrowing" and probably some form of "facet arthropathy"- since you can't (in the U.S) replace the discs, the only thing you can really do is try to straighten the discs that are "subluxated" by some type of manipulation, which is usually done by a chiropractor. One would only hope that you would be referred to a chiro who takes X-rays and understands what your MRI or neurologist states in his limitations. This may ease the pain somewhat (along with P.K's)- but then you have to deal with the constant adjustment of the surrounding musculature. They may spasm, they may constrict, they may stretch, and it will all be dependent on your genetic structure, how you sleep, and what you do during the day.

If your disc is bulging out the front (rare) the last thing you want to do are hyperextensions. If your disc is popping out the back, the last thing you want to do are flexion exercises. Sitting may even be a problem because when you sit, the muscles relax and the total weigh of your UB rests on these fucked up discs which in turn, press even harder on the nerves. The nerves will inflame and the opening (tunnel) for the nerves will seemingly constrict.

Back injurious are insidious: By the time you realize that your back is severely fucked up, the damage has already been done without your knowledge. Like the previous poster (??? sorry) said, you will wind up on the floor crawling around the damn house wondering WTF?


Deadlifting is a great way to build total body musculature. It is one of the "kings' of all exercise, but when you get older, not only will you NEVER attempt them again, you will also wish you had NEVER done them in the first place. There is a point in the deadlift during the lift where your weakest link has to be incorporated. I firmly believe that this is where it all starts.

Even Frank Zane says if he had to do it all over again, he would not have lifted as heavy and as long as he did. Sure, he developed fantastic side delts, but he says he's been paying the price with daily pain ever since- to the point of where he can't even work his shoulders anymore.

when you are young....ahhhhhhhhh... to be young and have a chance to do it all over again, knowing what you know now.


Good luck my friend. The Pain Killers and the anti-inflammatories will fuck you up worse than your back in the end. At the same time, I've never met anyone who has had a "successful" back surgery to where there is no residual pain.


this is why Workers Comp Insurance companies fight tooth and nail over back injuries. They are insidious, they are hard to "prove" with even MRI's, EKG's, Cats, and X-rays, yet they are very real, and just about 80% of the population sports a sore back at one time or another- or eventually.


Call it wear and tear, old age, whatever. I say, be fucking careful NOW and think real hard about those special "lifts" you perform in the gym. Just cuz someone say's they work, doesn't mean they are not permanently detrimental to your health.

I could start another diatribe on the idiocracy of bench pressing. I'll just count my blessings that this isn't a powerlifting forum.  ;D

thanks for the advices :) im not taking any pain killers i dont want my organs fried as well.
yeah this is why im probably just going to stick with bodyweight exercises. i think the body is only designed to carry heavy loads very occasionaly like in life or death situations such as running with a weight of 130 pounds like the size of a person you should only do if its a life or death situaton and not a workout :(

so im guessing you dont do deadlifts anymore?
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