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So I'm running late to my friend's concert, stuck behind this asshole out in the middle of nowhere who's going a good 5-10 mph below the limit. He starts to turn into a parking lot and slows to, no kidding, probably 1-2 mph!! Of course I don't slow to a stop, but weave around him, going maybe 1-2 feet over the double yellow. Next thing I know I'm getting pulled over and cited. (I can't believe I didn't notice I was driving behind an officer ::) )
The officer is some pissed off Mexican who asks me about ten times if I knew what I did wrong. I thought I had broken some subtle law I didn't know about, but when he told me the infraction was "passing in no pass zone" I couldn't believe it. Passing indeed! I saw two people do the exact same thing, dipping slightly over the line to get around some cyclists, that very same trip, once I got in the city.
I already pleaded not guilty and mailed off my ticket. I'm hoping this douche doesn't show up to court, but if he does, what should I say?
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cant say anything. In traffic court you are guilty until proven innocent.
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i had exactly the same thing happening to me, went into court against the ticket.
Fucking police officer was there as well and guess who the judge believed? The police officer or me?
Just pay the shit and forget it, if you go against it you will have many months of trouble and a fucking lawyer to pay as well.
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Why would you plead not guilty knowing you were guilty and knowing there was no way you could prove you're not guilty?
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Why would you plead not guilty knowing you were guilty and knowing there was no way you could prove you're not guilty?
Welcome to GetBigger logic. ::)
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Why would you plead not guilty knowing you were guilty and knowing there was no way you could prove you're not guilty?
I don't know the exact meaning of the violation "passing in a no passing zone," or how the relevant laws are worded. For all I know, I'm not guilty. And if I am, it's a failing of the law. As far as I know, traffic laws are designed to ensure safety and smooth travel -- what I did was not dangerous whatsoever, unusual, or at all malicious. Though I am perhaps technically guilty (once again, how would I know? I haven't read the laws), I hope I can convince the judge to at least lessen the penalty, since I didn't do anything that would offend someone willing to look past the letter of the law and through to the intent of it.
Or I could just deny it altogether? ???
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I don't know the exact meaning of the violation "passing in a no passing zone," or how the relevant laws are worded. For all I know, I'm not guilty. And if I am, it's a failing of the law. As far as I know, traffic laws are designed to ensure safety and smooth travel -- what I did was not dangerous whatsoever, unusual, or at all malicious. Though I am perhaps technically guilty (once again, how would I know? I haven't read the laws), I hope I can convince the judge to at least lessen the penalty, since I didn't do anything that would offend someone willing to look past the letter of the law and through to the intent of it.
Or I could just deny it altogether? ???
Ignorance of the law is no excuse in court. You have zero chance of winning this, as you even stated you drove into the oncoming lane to get around the turning car. You might think it was nothing, but what if someone were in oncoming traffic?
On a related note, I was pulled one time for passing a tractor in Colorado in a no-passing zone.....had my boss' handgun lying on the seat beside me (it was his pick-up), an out of state license and all I got was a warning..... ;D
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this guy got a 10k (seriously) musclebear ticket and is paying it of, maby you could do the same? ;D ;D
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You were running late---that is on you. You got impatient, again on you. Was it a no passing zone? Go back to the spot....check it out, if it is, then you are screwed...check local laws, or hire an attorney...coming to getbig for local infraction advice, when nobody knows where you live is not the smart thing to do...
Next time, leave at a appropriate time. Don't get behind a slower driver, and don't be so impatient. This will save you time, money, and get your blood pressure down...but your getbig posts down as well.
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I don't know the exact meaning of the violation "passing in a no passing zone," or how the relevant laws are worded. For all I know, I'm not guilty. And if I am, it's a failing of the law. As far as I know, traffic laws are designed to ensure safety and smooth travel -- what I did was not dangerous whatsoever, unusual, or at all malicious. Though I am perhaps technically guilty (once again, how would I know? I haven't read the laws), I hope I can convince the judge to at least lessen the penalty, since I didn't do anything that would offend someone willing to look past the letter of the law and through to the intent of it.
Or I could just deny it altogether? ???
Yes, you could deny it, and that would cause the cop to go to his car and bring in the video evidence of him pulling you over for it.
Here we go, "cephissus" will put the SYSTEM ON TRIAL!!!
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I'm just glad that the cops are out there busting the douches that need busting.
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So I'm running late to my friend's concert, stuck behind this asshole out in the middle of nowhere who's going a good 5-10 mph below the limit. He starts to turn into a parking lot and slows to, no kidding, probably 1-2 mph!! Of course I don't slow to a stop, but weave around him, going maybe 1-2 feet over the double yellow. Next thing I know I'm getting pulled over and cited. (I can't believe I didn't notice I was driving behind an officer ::) )
The officer is some pissed off Mexican who asks me about ten times if I knew what I did wrong. I thought I had broken some subtle law I didn't know about, but when he told me the infraction was "passing in no pass zone" I couldn't believe it. Passing indeed! I saw two people do the exact same thing, dipping slightly over the line to get around some cyclists, that very same trip, once I got in the city.
I already pleaded not guilty and mailed off my ticket. I'm hoping this douche doesn't show up to court, but if he does, what should I say?
Happens to me just about every morning going to work driving here in lovely s.florida. 80% of the crowd is like me trying to get to work...the 20% that fuc's it up are elderly drivers just casually having a morning drive during rush time.
As far as last second passing like that, just flash your turn signal for a second then flash it again when you get back over into your lane. Plead no contest and just pay the court fee (no points) other than that...pay even more to have an attorney show up and fight it for you.
I cannot stand when people are out doing 10+ under the speed limit during the morning rush....GTF off the streets, interstates and expressways with that sh*t seriously.
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Tell the judge that the cop only cited you after you declined a lewd proposition. Nail your sodium and wear something clingy.
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So I'm running late to my friend's concert, stuck behind this asshole out in the middle of nowhere who's going a good 5-10 mph below the limit. He starts to turn into a parking lot and slows to, no kidding, probably 1-2 mph!! Of course I don't slow to a stop, but weave around him, going maybe 1-2 feet over the double yellow. Next thing I know I'm getting pulled over and cited. (I can't believe I didn't notice I was driving behind an officer ::) )
The officer is some pissed off Mexican who asks me about ten times if I knew what I did wrong. I thought I had broken some subtle law I didn't know about, but when he told me the infraction was "passing in no pass zone" I couldn't believe it. Passing indeed! I saw two people do the exact same thing, dipping slightly over the line to get around some cyclists, that very same trip, once I got in the city.
I already pleaded not guilty and mailed off my ticket. I'm hoping this douche doesn't show up to court, but if he does, what should I say?
What state are you in? Plead not guilty then they'll give you a non moving violation if your not a fuck up.
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Suck it up princess and pay the ticket.
.....and be happy he didn't pull you over after your friends show when you had a few drinks in you.
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Dont pay the ticket. Show up to court and you wont have to say a word and it will get reduced.
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So I'm running late to my friend's concert, stuck behind this asshole out in the middle of nowhere who's going a good 5-10 mph below the limit. He starts to turn into a parking lot and slows to, no kidding, probably 1-2 mph!! Of course I don't slow to a stop, but weave around him, going maybe 1-2 feet over the double yellow. Next thing I know I'm getting pulled over and cited. (I can't believe I didn't notice I was driving behind an officer ::) )
The officer is some pissed off Mexican who asks me about ten times if I knew what I did wrong. I thought I had broken some subtle law I didn't know about, but when he told me the infraction was "passing in no pass zone" I couldn't believe it. Passing indeed! I saw two people do the exact same thing, dipping slightly over the line to get around some cyclists, that very same trip, once I got in the city.
I already pleaded not guilty and mailed off my ticket. I'm hoping this douche doesn't show up to court, but if he does, what should I say?
I don't think it matters what country or state you're driving in, if you didn't notice this before attempting the manouveure then technically you were driving without due care and attention and for that they can bust you for whatever they like.
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Suck it up princess and pay the ticket.
QFT
Cry me a fuckin river already. just pay the damn ticket and move the fuck on with your mundane life
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Pace yourself in the first round and go in for the kill in the second, plenty of uppercuts
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So I'm running late to my friend's concert, stuck behind this asshole out in the middle of nowhere who's going a good 5-10 mph below the limit. He starts to turn into a parking lot and slows to, no kidding, probably 1-2 mph!! Of course I don't slow to a stop, but weave around him, going maybe 1-2 feet over the double yellow. Next thing I know I'm getting pulled over and cited. (I can't believe I didn't notice I was driving behind an officer ::) )
The officer is some pissed off Mexican who asks me about ten times if I knew what I did wrong. I thought I had broken some subtle law I didn't know about, but when he told me the infraction was "passing in no pass zone" I couldn't believe it. Passing indeed! I saw two people do the exact same thing, dipping slightly over the line to get around some cyclists, that very same trip, once I got in the city.
I already pleaded not guilty and mailed off my ticket. I'm hoping this douche doesn't show up to court, but if he does, what should I say?
Couple of things...
Go to court and hope that he doesn't show up. If he doesn't, the judge might dismiss the entire case.
Check the ticket for any errors (Make of car, color, time, street corner during infraction), sometimes the judges will penalize the traffic officials for making stupid mistakes.
Say that if not for you going around this vehicle, you could have had a serious accident (i.e. the guy in front abruptly stopped, which gave you little time/space to maneuver and if not for your going around the vehicle, you would have gotten into an accident that would have placed both you and the other driver in the hospital). You could add that he didn't have a signal light on when entering the lot.
If you know another cop with a higher rank (i.e. detective) have him call it in and get it dropped.
You said you were driving behind the officer, this possibly gives you a good amount of leeway to defend your argument in stating that he had very limited visibility and could not assess the immediate danger you were in if not for your maneuver.
The cop was Mexican, offer him some food, free phone cards, a new pair of sneakers and tequila. MIGHT WORK..
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Couple of things...
Go to court and hope that he doesn't show up. If he doesn't, the judge might dismiss the entire case.
Check the ticket for any errors (Make of car, color, time, street corner during infraction), sometimes the judges will penalize the traffic officials for making stupid mistakes.
Say that if not for you going around this vehicle, you could have had a serious accident (i.e. the guy in front abruptly stopped, which gave you little time/space to maneuver and if not for your going around the vehicle, you would have gotten into an accident that would have placed both you and the other driver in the hospital). You could add that he didn't have a signal light on when entering the lot.
If you know another cop with a higher rank (i.e. detective) have him call it in and get it dropped.
You said you were driving behind the officer, this possibly gives you a good amount of leeway to defend your argument in stating that he had very limited visibility and could not access the immediate danger you were in if not for your maneuver.
The cop was Mexican, offer him some food, free phone cards, a new pair of sneakers and tequila. MIGHT WORK..
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I find it quite disturbing that, from all the posts, the only inteligent response in this thread was written by a bona fide gay man.
At least I am not feeling that guilty anymore of finding Patricia Araujo almost hot;
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;D
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Couple of things...
Go to court and hope that he doesn't show up. If he doesn't, the judge might dismiss the entire case.
Check the ticket for any errors (Make of car, color, time, street corner during infraction), sometimes the judges will penalize the traffic officials for making stupid mistakes.
Say that if not for you going around this vehicle, you could have had a serious accident (i.e. the guy in front abruptly stopped, which gave you little time/space to maneuver and if not for your going around the vehicle, you would have gotten into an accident that would have placed both you and the other driver in the hospital). You could add that he didn't have a signal light on when entering the lot.
If you know another cop with a higher rank (i.e. detective) have him call it in and get it dropped.
You said you were driving behind the officer, this possibly gives you a good amount of leeway to defend your argument in stating that he had very limited visibility and could not assess the immediate danger you were in if not for your maneuver.
The cop was Mexican, offer him some food, free phone cards, a new pair of sneakers and tequila. MIGHT WORK..
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Thanks for the advice! The visibility / accident potential thing, in particular, is a good point. I was thinking last night, since I barely crossed over the line at all, I might be able to argue that the officer, being roughly perpendicular to me, and nearly off the road when I "passed" him, wouldn't have the proper perspective to judge whether I really even crossed into the "no passing zone" at all.
I'm also considering mentioning that, while I was completely polite for the entire exchange, the officer was in an extremely foul mood for no apparent reason, possibly indicating impaired judgment.
Another interesting tip I read on another site, which may help others in my position, is to delay your court hearing as much as possible. Often, officers schedule lots of infraction hearings on one day so they can knock them all out at once, and if you delay, you may be able to catch him at a time when he wasn't planning on coming in, and therefore won't. I don't think I'm going to do this since I want to get things taken care of quickly, though maybe I should.
And for everyone saying "why don't you just shut up and pay the ticket?" I don't mind paying the fee, although I don't have much money, but I do mind accruing points on my driving record, especially for something that may not even be illegal, and certainly shouldn't be -- like I said, this maneuver is performed countless times every day by people avoiding cyclists, inappropriately parked vehicles, pedestrians on streets with no shoulder, etc. out of NECESSITY.
I received a speeding ticket recently and paid it without complaint -- I was speeding substantially on the freeway and had a habit of it. I've since changed my habits. This infraction, however, will not compel me to change my behavior whatsoever, and anyone who sits behind a pedestrian for five minutes going three mph because they don't want to dip over a solid line for two seconds, or thinks this, or any of a number of "offenses" equivalent to mine, ought to constitute criminal behavior, is a retard.
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i got a ticket a week ago for public intoxication + resisiting arrest.. court dat is in march.. i was thinking about fighting the public intoxication charge on the grounds that such a law is unconstitutional.. since were guaranteed the right to pursue happiness and that night in the park all i was trying to do was pursue some wisdom and happiness..
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That's actually logical... it's just the "right to pursue happiness" is complete bullshit.
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I took a traffic ticket to court back in like '93 and Won!!! Was the first person in like 30 some years to beat the city in traffic court. I was making a legal right on red when a women in a parallel parking space beside my car decided to do the same thing and pulled right into the path of my car as I made the turn.
The officer did not cite the women who was from Celina but totally cited me. I was from St Marys at the time which is a HUGE football rivalry from across the lake and I had my lettermans coat on. I got cited for get this "Improper Starting" it states "A person shall not move a vehicle in a forward reverse or side to side manner without doing so in a safe and proper fashion" I was like fuck this shit!!! He actually told me I was not gonna be cited at first then changed his fucking mind and cited me.
He then told me I needed to call my mom and dad and let them know what was going on. I was like ummm I'm 18 and he told me Well then you can pay for this at the PD. I laughed at him and told him I would see him in court. I got a lawyer and fought it. The ticket was like 150 bucks the lawyer fee was like 175 but it was money well spent. He completely looked like a fool on the stand and toally denied even telling me he was not gonna cite me.
The next day the Celina Daily Standard had a front page article reading "18 yr old St Marys man beats Celina in Traffic court" like I said I was the first person to beat the traffic court in over 30 yrs.
Whats is really fucked up about all of it is that the same damn cop cited my wife (girlfriend then) for Jay walking 2 weeks later. We live in a small farm town where people jay walk all the time. Needless top say those charges got dropped after we bitched out the Chief of police :)
Good luck man have your facts square and stick to your guns :)
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So I'm running late to my friend's concert, stuck behind this asshole out in the middle of nowhere who's going a good 5-10 mph below the limit. He starts to turn into a parking lot and slows to, no kidding, probably 1-2 mph!! Of course I don't slow to a stop, but weave around him, going maybe 1-2 feet over the double yellow. Next thing I know I'm getting pulled over and cited. (I can't believe I didn't notice I was driving behind an officer ::) )
The officer is some pissed off Mexican who asks me about ten times if I knew what I did wrong. I thought I had broken some subtle law I didn't know about, but when he told me the infraction was "passing in no pass zone" I couldn't believe it. Passing indeed! I saw two people do the exact same thing, dipping slightly over the line to get around some cyclists, that very same trip, once I got in the city.
I already pleaded not guilty and mailed off my ticket. I'm hoping this douche doesn't show up to court, but if he does, what should I say?
never admit or say anything to a officer. they are just fishing for a way to give you a ticket. never sign the ticket, even though they say you have to or will arest you. thats a fucking lie. show up to court and say i did nothing wrong. the onus is on them to prove, not for you to disprove
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Thanks! Good advice!
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good advice in this thread, just showing up will piss the court off.
play lots of Grand Theft Auto before hand to better prepare you for situations like this
I always play this in the car before going to the courthouse, it's like mozart's music except for helping you with studying it will help you beat the system.
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Ever seen Liar Liar? With Jim Carrey? One of his clients asks for his legal advice and its very simplistic.
STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLE!!!!
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He died for you bitches!!
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It's always worth it to fight tickets. In Ontario, Canada at least, you will not win if the cop shows up, but you will have a chance to bargain with the office before the court begins. The cops don't want it dragged out so will usually settle for a lesser infraction, which will save you points and money.
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He didn't pull over. Why would you?
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Technically, you should've stopped. Does everyone in circumstances like that go around? Yes. Doesn't make it right. The law says STOP.
Go to court. Plead 'no contest'. You will be found guilty. Your fine may get reduced. It's traffic court. Do not plead not guilty.
Trust me on this one ;) I've been in traffic court more times than I have fingers.
On another note: I know someone who was on a Harley and did the same thing - went around (car had their blinker on to turn right). They turned left. Harley passenger dead. Harley driver charged in her death.
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(car had their blinker on to turn right). They turned left.[/color]
Hearsay.
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Jesus Fuck Christ the lot of you are ALL ignorant dolts.
GET A LAWYER. NEVER SHOW UP TO COURT WITHOUT A LAWYER. YOU HAVE ABOUT 100 PERCENT CHANCE OF WINNING OR REDUCING THE CHARGE TO NOTHING WITH A LAWYER.
Are all of you really this stupid or just can`t afford a laywer. It HAS to be one or the other, or both.
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Ever seen Liar Liar? With Jim Carrey? One of his clients asks for his legal advice and its very simplistic.
STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLE!!!!
We in America take pride in not taking responsibility for our actions...It's a "constitutional right".... :-\ :-[
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I havent been on here in almost a year....saw taht picture and completely died laughing in remembrance...what's his name again? RIP
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Jesus Fuck Christ the lot of you are ALL ignorant dolts.
GET A LAWYER. NEVER SHOW UP TO COURT WITHOUT A LAWYER. YOU HAVE ABOUT 100 PERCENT CHANCE OF WINNING OR REDUCING THE CHARGE TO NOTHING WITH A LAWYER.
Are all of you really this stupid or just can`t afford a laywer. It HAS to be one or the other, or both.
A lawyer costs more than a ticket lol
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A lawyer costs more than a ticket lol
Yes, probably. It's a minor traffic offense and if there's no priors, then just showing up and pleading no contest is probably the most cost effective. Ultimately it could mean higher insurance costs in the future so ya gotta kinda weigh the options.
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Yes, probably. It's a minor traffic offense and if there's no priors, then just showing up and pleading no contest is probably the most cost effective. Ultimately it could mean higher insurance costs in the future so ya gotta kinda weigh the options.
Or you can learn how to play it...If you have a clean record, one could plead "guilty w/explanation", you are either going to be found guilty (low chance), not guilty (good chance) or get a PBJ (higher chance)...which mean you pay fine plus court costs...
Then, if it is late in the day, and large docket, the Judge might want to rush thru it---watch want others have pled or come during a eariler docket to see the mistakes of what others have done...
If there is a large number of people in the gallery---then the judge may want to make a example of some people---if there isn't then, the judge maybe more lenient.
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Law enforcement is considered 51% in the right during traffic court. The system would NOT work if this wasn't the case. This will be read by the judge before court begins. From this point on your screwed. If you haven't had a ticket (moving violation) in the last 3 years contact the court ahead of time and request traffic school, defensive driving or probation. Probation usually lasts 6 months and the ticket expunged if you don't get cited again. Once again, you need a clean record to get most of these. Some places it's one year no moving violation before the date of your infraction. DON'T GO TO COURT TO ARGUE WITH THE COP. He usally spends one day a month in court and he will put the fucking boots to you on the stand. Cops are not nervous in court like you will be, they spend a lot of time there. Cops don't mind going to court, it's usually overtime pay so don't say "I'll see you in court !!!". Cops have classes on documenting stops and tickets. 99 times out of a hundred they have a mic on and the whole thing was recorded and videotaped. Also the fine you get in court is MORE than the ticket will be. THEY SLAP YOU WITH COURT COSTS ON TOP OF THE TICKET. Here's the best part, they ask the officer a recomendation for the fine after you've been found guilty. If you really pissed him off you better have your Visa card with you. ;D
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Law enforcement is considered 51% in the right during traffic court. The system would NOT work if this wasn't the case. This will be read by the judge before court begins. From this point on your screwed. If you haven't had a ticket (moving violation) in the last 3 years contact the court ahead of time and request traffic school, defensive driving or probation. Probation usually lasts 6 months and the ticket expunged if you don't get cited again. Once again, you need a clean record to get most of these. Some places it's one year no moving violation before the date of your infraction. DON'T GO TO COURT TO ARGUE WITH THE COP. He usally spends one day a month in court and he will put the fucking boots to you on the stand. Cops are not nervous in court like you will be, they spend a lot of time there. Cops don't mind going to court, it's usually overtime pay so don't say "I'll see you in court !!!". Cops have classes on documenting stops and tickets. 99 times out of a hundred they have a mic on and the whole thing was recorded and videotaped. Also the fine you get in court is MORE than the ticket will be. THEY SLAP YOU WITH COURT COSTS ON TOP OF THE TICKET. Here's the best part, they ask the officer a recomendation for the fine after you've been found guilty. If you really pissed him off you better have your Visa card with you. ;D
Translation: Let a lawyer handle it so you can win and not even have to show up. ;)
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I decided to hire a lawyer. I'll let you guys know how it turns out. :D
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I decided to hire a lawyer. I'll let you guys know how it turns out. :D
good, don't let the system push you around
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good, don't let the system push you around
Worked for OJ...... ???
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lawyer got it dropped. :)
thanks TA and others for the advice!
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lawyer got it dropped. :)
thanks TA and others for the advice!
Your welcome!
Always use a lawyer. NEVER go to court without one for any reason whatsoever.
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this guy got a 10k (seriously) musclebear ticket and is paying it of, maby you could do the same? ;D ;D
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lolz