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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: lovemonkey on February 23, 2011, 02:58:36 PM
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Everything from my abdominals to my toes to my trapz started cramping today. Is this common? Creatine has given me slight cramps before but nothing like the ones I had today. Caffeine might be more potent in that regard than I previously thought. I tried to drink plenty water but didn't seem to help.
Discuss.
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How much did you take? Also what form of creatine did you use?
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How much did you take? Also what form of creatine did you use?
Caffeine 200mg twice a day(morning and before workout/cardio).
Regular creatine monohydrate, roughly 5 grams two times a day.
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Everything from my abdominals to my toes to my trapz started cramping today. Is this common? Creatine has given me slight cramps before but nothing like the ones I had today. Caffeine might be more potent in that regard than I previously thought. I tried to drink plenty water but didn't seem to help.
Discuss.
NO SUPPLEMENT CONTRACT!
NO $10 PHOTOS!
NO PAYING SCHMOES!
But still experimenting on yourself like a bber. I dont get it ???
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NO SUPPLEMENT CONTRACT!
NO $10 PHOTOS!
NO PAYING SCHMOES!
But still experimenting on yourself like a bber. I dont get it ???
Yeah caffeine and creatine is totally in the same ballpark as hormones, hgh, insulin and diuretics + weighing way too much. Totally.
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Try lowering the dosages and taking the creatine at different times..I think you can get by with 2-5grams a day..
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Try lowering the dosages and taking the creatine at different times..I think you can get by with 2-5grams a day..
Yeah I was wondering about the creatine dose.. might have been a slight overkill.
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Yeah I was wondering about the creatine dose.. might have been a slight overkill.
do not read what the supplement companies tell you.There goal is sell you more and more of it.I think for someone of your weight you may be fine with low dosages...In example 3-5 grams is enough.
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could it be dehydration?
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Just up your fluids and electrolytes, that should solve the problem....
I take creatine and caffeine together but I also drink alot of water, something as simple as adding some celtic sea salt to your water could solve your problem....
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400 mg/day is way too much caffeine. You need to find your tolerance level. You should have started small, say 50-100 mgs.
Creatine dose is also probably too high. Don't take it more than twice a day... any more is just a waste.
Drink 3-4 liters of filtered water per day.
Invest in a good chelated multi-mineral supplement. Take it twice a day. That should take care of any cramps.
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Yeah I was wondering about the creatine dose.. might have been a slight overkill.
5g is fine once a day, just drink more and take a magnesium supplement.
If you cramp, magnesium and/or water intake is too low. Nothing to do with the creatine and caffeine.
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You're toying with your life by stacking Creatine with Caffeine - it's as dangerous as Pop rocks and soda :o
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You're toying with your life by stacking Creatine with Caffeine - it's as dangerous as Pop rocks and soda :o
Enjoy it while it lasts, both will be banned in the US for otc sale soon anyways, then you can get creatine only by prescription if you have low ATP levels, cost is 1500$ per kg.
Coffee will be even worse, you can buy it in a "coffehouse" "to go" for 1.55$ per cup. :o :o :o
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I hear early next year the feds are going to assign everyone in America with a gym membership a parole officer to report to post workout for random drug tests......
Gotta get that Cell Tech off the streets, think of the children.
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I hear early next year the feds are going to assign everyone in America with a gym membership a parole officer to report to post workout for random drug tests......
Gotta get that Cell Tech off the streets, think of the children.
That's a great idea.
I would say it would be even better if you were able to arrest bodybuilders on sight, because they all abuse steroids. :o :o
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Everything from my abdominals to my toes to my trapz started cramping today. Is this common? Creatine has given me slight cramps before but nothing like the ones I had today. Caffeine might be more potent in that regard than I previously thought. I tried to drink plenty water but didn't seem to help.
Discuss.
It is quite common among idiots and fools, who doesn't know anything about nutrients and minerals. You don't need just water, you need magnesium, potassium etc. to keep up the balance in your system. If you ignore that fact, just enjoy your cramps and shut up.
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It is quite common among idiots and fools, who doesn't know anything about nutrients and minerals. You don't need just water, you need magnesium, potassium etc. to keep up the balance in your system. If you ignore that fact, just enjoy your cramps and shut up.
So that would be the reason why I asked for information by making this thread since I was not sure what was going on with my body. A fool would keep doing the same thing and expect different results.
You're way too full of yourself, douche.
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WUT?
Ain't caffeine acting like a diuretic? And ain't creatine storing water in your body?
You shouldn't be on caffeine when doing creatine. Simple as that. Taking caffeine will decrease the potential benefits of creatine.
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WUT?
Ain't caffeine acting like a diuretic? And ain't creatine storing water in your body?
You shouldn't be on caffeine when doing creatine. Simple as that. Taking caffeine will decrease the potential benefits of creatine.
My thinking is that I should be able to drink a tad bit more water to compensate for the diuretic effect of the caffeine, so the creatine will still be able to do its "magic".
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You're toying with your life by stacking Creatine with Caffeine - it's as dangerous as Pop rocks and soda :o
I knew a guy who knew a guy whose brother died by doing that.
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I knew a guy who knew a guy whose brother died by doing that.
My dad died doing creatine.
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My dad died doing creatine.
I nearly died doing your mom.
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I nearly died doing your mom.
I wished I was dead when doing your mom.
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Caffeine 200mg twice a day(morning and before workout/cardio).
Regular creatine monohydrate, roughly 5 grams two times a day.
that is a SHITLOAD of caffeine to be taking every day lol
i drink NO EXPLODE before pressing workouts which contains 200mg caffeine and supposedly creatine too, and it keeps me wide awake for like 8 hours or more. could not imagine doing 400mg caffeine every day, my heart would explode and/or id never be able to sleep.
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that is a SHITLOAD of caffeine to be taking every day lol
i drink NO EXPLODE before pressing workouts which contains 200mg caffeine and supposedly creatine too, and it keeps me wide awake for like 8 hours or more. could not imagine doing 400mg caffeine every day, my heart would explode and/or id never be able to sleep.
lol really?
They say that 100mg is about equal to one cup of coffee or perhaps a tad bit more. 4-5 cups in a day is a bit much but by no means unheard of.
I've had plenty coffee in my day so that could explain my tolerance.
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My thinking is that I should be able to drink a tad bit more water to compensate for the diuretic effect of the caffeine, so the creatine will still be able to do its "magic".
Spot on, "caffeine kills the effects of creatine" is 90's wisdom. No problem at all to take the two together.
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lol really?
They say that 100mg is about equal to one cup of coffee or perhaps a tad bit more. 4-5 cups in a day is a bit much but by no means unheard of.
I've had plenty coffee in my day so that could explain my tolerance.
yeah i never drank coffee or anything so i probabaly have a low tolerance for caffeine
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Caffeine blocks creatine, do research u dumb fools.
The american university laboratories did the tests.
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Caffeine blocks creatine, do research u dumb fools.
The american university laboratories did the tests.
Bullshit.
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that is a SHITLOAD of caffeine to be taking every day lol
i drink NO EXPLODE before pressing workouts which contains 200mg caffeine and supposedly creatine too, and it keeps me wide awake for like 8 hours or more. could not imagine doing 400mg caffeine every day, my heart would explode and/or id never be able to sleep.
200mg is not a shitload..
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200mg is not a shitload..
http://www.bodybuilding-depot.de/shop/Spezialprodukte/S.U.+SYNforce+coffein+caps
In German, sorry, but you should be able to understand the most. ;D ;D
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http://www.bodybuilding-depot.de/shop/Spezialprodukte/S.U.+SYNforce+coffein+caps
In German, sorry, but you should be able to understand the most. ;D ;D
is that the german version of plazmosis? ;D
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is that the german version of plazmosis? ;D
No, just a training booster, but it has 400mg caffeine in one pill, plus other shit. :o :o
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Bullshit.
Mahg never talks out of his ass, I always have evidence to back up anything I say. I may be controversial but I never lie.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8929583
Caffeine counteracts the ergogenic action of muscle creatine loading.
Vandenberghe K, Gillis N, Van Leemputte M, Van Hecke P, Vanstapel F, Hespel P.
Faculty of Physical Education and Physiotherapy, Department of Kinesiology, Katholieke Universiteit Leuven, Belgium.
Abstract
This study aimed to compare the effects of oral creatine (Cr) supplementation with creatine supplementation in combination with caffeine (Cr+C) on muscle phosphocreatine (PCr) level and performance in healthy male volunteers (n = 9). Before and after 6 days of placebo, Cr (0.5 g x kg-1 x day-1), or Cr (0.5 g x kg-1 x day-1) + C (5 mg x kg-1 x day-1) supplementation, 31P-nuclear magnetic resonance spectroscopy of the gastrocnemius muscle and a maximal intermittent exercise fatigue test of the knee extensors on an isokinetic dynamometer were performed. The exercise consisted of three consecutive maximal isometric contractions and three interval series of 90, 80, and 50 maximal voluntary contractions performed with a rest interval of 2 min between the series. Muscle ATP concentration remained constant over the three experimental conditions. Cr and Cr+C increased (P < 0.05) muscle PCr concentration by 4-6%. Dynamic torque production, however, was increased by 10-23% (P < 0.05) by Cr but was not changed by Cr+C. Torque improvement during Cr was most prominent immediately after the 2-min rest between the exercise bouts. The data show that Cr supplementation elevates muscle PCr concentration and markedly improves performance during intense intermittent exercise. This ergogenic effect, however, is completely eliminated by caffeine intake.
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So I made 1 mistake, its a Belgian university. Anyway I think Vandenberghe K, Gillis N, Van Leemputte M, Van Hecke P, Vanstapel F, Hespel P know more than some random englishman in new york who thinks he knows everything. Stupid names notwithstanding. :D
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Mahg never talks out of his ass, I always have evidence to back up anything I say. I may be controversial but I never lie.
Aside from the fact that there are enough studies proving that caffeine has no effect on creatine, the problem with this study is that the environment was set for caffeine to interfere with the creatine. The study is from 1996, it's way too old.
It can be easily avoided by timing and enough water intake.
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No, just a training booster, but it has 400mg caffeine in one pill, plus other shit. :o :o
Thats the fucking "heart-attack™" stack...! ;D
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Thats the fucking "heart-attack™" stack...! ;D
LOL, actually on there were quite a lot of people getting sleepy on this stack. ;D ;D ;D
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Sounds like Aids bro - pip :'(