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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Training Q&A => Topic started by: lesaucer on February 25, 2011, 12:40:16 PM
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can you imagine training only one bodypart example:back, 4 days a week, for like one month ? im curious
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I read about a test that was done where a guy did arms for a full day.
He would do a massive curl routine, drink shakes before and after. Rest for a couple hours. Eat drink shakes and do it again a total of four or five times throughout the day. Claimed to make a gain of inches..... It was a Flex magazine or something like that but it was interesting nonetheless. Never tried it personally.
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Must be referring to the old one day arm program. The majority of men gained (lasting) 1/8 to 3/8 from this protocol from that one day. Not too many mid range or advanced BB'ers will gain 3/8 (for example) in 6 months to a year of hard training. I've known and heard about a few guy's having grest success with this type program. Seems to work also on delts and very well for stubborn calves.
Using a light weights, the pump is what is worked for. Usually from 7 to 8 workouts that full day, on the hour, every hour. Triceps & biceps are worked together (2X10), in a light SS fashion, and never to a point of failure. Just want to hold a pump most of the day in the arms. The guy's who didn't gain or gave up before the workouts were completed would use too heavy a weight or too many sets each hour. Forcing growth by these means failed in the long run.
Exercises like BB close grip curls & Tricep press downs. Or Incline DB curls & DB French presses, etc. Theses exercise are usually preformed in a stricter style and full ROM. Compound movements like close grip benches (triceps) and close grip chins(biceps) are never used because they call in too many supporting muscles (hence the name Compound).. Only want to focus on the biceps & triceps as much as you can.
Drinking high protein and simple carb based shakes, rather than solid foods throughout the workout day, is the pattern most follow. Easier to digest and gets into the blood stream. Better than breaking down and digesting most solid foods. Though some guy's that I know of have eaten tuna or ice cream with the shakes. Suggest that after such a long day program you go out for a extra thick steak and potato, you earned it. This type program can be very demanding on the whole body. Have to experience it to really understand what I mean.
Best to do it at home, if you have extra weights around. Really need a couple sets of DB's or light BB. Pain in the butt to hang around a gym all day just for something like that. Just my view. Good luck.
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so for every hr of an average day, say 8am to 11pm youd do 2 supersets for bis n tris?
would be worth trying one weekend just for a laugh, preferably whilest on gear, with a whole cheat day the next day
will post when i actualy get enough time to try it out, be a while like.....
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I read about a test that was done where a guy did arms for a full day.
He would do a massive curl routine, drink shakes before and after. Rest for a couple hours. Eat drink shakes and do it again a total of four or five times throughout the day. Claimed to make a gain of inches..... It was a Flex magazine or something like that but it was interesting nonetheless. Never tried it personally.
I remember that and i think they claimed that all he had that day was cell-tech and nitro-tech
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They claimed that's all they had all day was Cell-Tech & Nitro-Tech because they were SELLING those crap products.
Keep the calories up to at least 3,200 for the day. Small light meals or shakes 6 times that day. May not think so but 7 to 8 light workout, every hour, can be draining. An arm day, for example, is about the pump and only the pump for that full day. Good Luck.
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haha the arms thing is BS obviously, but I believe you take train a muscle VERY frequently and have great results because of that.
look at Layne, he had awesome results training legs 2-3 times a week
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i have been thinking alot about this lately.
the idea overtraining is basically a myth if you can keep your muscles 'fresh' by staying away from failure.
olympic weightlifters will often times do several workouts per day for the same muscle. low volume, sub failure.
and all the best professional athletes who train like maniacs day in and day out always have great physiques.
the all day arm workout sounds cool. i think i am going to try it out sometime soon. might start doing that kind fo thing for everybody part at least once a month if it works ok.
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ahtletes and olympic lifter arent training for mass tho, they are training for strength and technique...
i know where your comming from tho, i dont think the human body is as weak as some claim
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only difference between training for strength and size is rep range..
strength focus on low reps while incorporating moderate to higher reps..
size focus on moderate reps while incorporating low reps and high reps..
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only difference between training for strength and size is rep range..
strength focus on low reps while incorporating moderate to higher reps..
size focus on moderate reps while incorporating low reps and high reps..
L00K AT 0LYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTERS AND THEIR LEGS. THEY ALL HAVE MASSIVE LEGS AND VERY DENSE. A L0T 0F THE 185 LBERS HAVE THICKER LEGS THAN S0ME AMATEURS 0R 202 PR0S. THEY ALL W0RK THEIR LEGS IN THE 1-3 REP RANGE. IT'S JUST THAT 0LYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTERS D0N'T W0RK THEIR CHEST, ARMS,0R LATS AS MUCH AS PR0 B0DYBUILDERS.
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they are also in the top 1% of the strongest people on the planet............
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they are also in the top 1% of the strongest people on the planet............
N0 THEY'RE N0T. L0L 0LYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTING IS N0T ALL BRUTE STRENGTH. THIS IS WHY AMERICA ALWAYS GETS LAST PLACE. THE CHINESE HAVE W0N THE W0RLDS AND 0LYMPICS IN B0TH THE W0MEN AND MEN'S F0R THE LAST 10 YEARS. ARE Y0U TELLING ME CHINESE PE0PLE ARE PHYSICALLY SUPRERI0R IN BRUTE STRENGTH? N0 THEY'RE N0T. 0LYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTING IS A C0MBINATI0N 0F STRENGTH,FLEXIBILITY,SPEED,BALANCE,AND M0ST IMP0RTANT EXECUTI0N AND TECHNIQUE. IF Y0U A HAVE A TERRIBLE C0ACH, BRUTE STRENGTH W0N'T GET Y0U ANYWHERE. PLUS THEY GET THEIR STRENGTH FR0M DRUGS ANYWAYS. IT'S THE TECHNIQUE AND SPEED THAT GETS Y0U T0 THE T0P. Y0U CAN BE PHYSICALLY WEAK NATURALLY, BUT IF Y0U HAVE EXCELLENT TECHNIQUE AND SPEED IN THE CLEAN AND JERK AND LIFTS, Y0U'LL BE A W0RLD CHAMP.
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are you for real.... they arent strong??..... get a fucking grip, why would america yeild the strongest athletes??, america has a poor record in feild events and strong man...
china rules the lighter classes, eastern bloc rules the heavier classes, now n then cuba/iran/turkey/another chip in from time to time..
they are incredible atheletes, top 1% in the world, just as the black sprinters are in 100 meters, it is a very technical sport, but all the technique in the world wont shift x amount of weight from the floor
drugs are even,, they all use same things
also,YOUR A MORON......
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Y0U CAN BE PHYSICALLY WEAK NATURALLY, BUT IF Y0U HAVE EXCELLENT TECHNIQUE AND SPEED IN THE CLEAN AND JERK AND LIFTS, Y0U'LL BE A W0RLD CHAMP.[/color]
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are you for real.... they arent strong??..... get a fucking grip, why would america yeild the strongest athletes??, america has a poor record in feild events and strong man...
china rules the lighter classes, eastern bloc rules the heavier classes, now n then cuba/iran/turkey/another chip in from time to time..
they are incredible atheletes, top 1% in the world, just as the black sprinters are in 100 meters, it is a very technical sport, but all the technique in the world wont shift x amount of weight from the floor
drugs are even,, they all use same things
also,YOUR A MORON......
WHAT THE FUCK D0ES STR0NG MAN HAVE T0 D0 WITH 0LYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTING? PR00F AGAIN Y0U KN0W N0THING AB0UT THE SP0RT. 0LYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTING IS N0T A PURE STRENGTH SP0RT LIKE P0WERLIFTING 0R STR0NGMAN.
WHERE DID I SAY THEY AREN'T STR0NG. I SAID STRENGTH IS SEC0ND NEXT T0 TECHNIQUE AND SPEED. THEY GET THE STRENGTH FR0M THE DRUGS. ANY0NE CAN BE STR0NG BY TAKING DRUGS EVEN IF Y0U ARE WEAK NATURALLY. THE CHINESE HAVE EXCELLENT TECHNIQUE AND SPEED WHICH IS WHY THEY WIN. S0 THE CHINESE HAVE THE STR0NGEST PE0PLE IN THE W0RLD? HMM 0KAY. STRANGE THINKING. GET THIS THR0UGH Y0UR THICK SKULL. 0LYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTING IS N0T A BRUTE STRENGTH. ANY 0LYMPIC C0ACH WILL TELL Y0U THIS. Y0U NEED T0 HAVE A HUGE TALENT F0R TECHNIQUE. CHINA D0MINATES N0T 0NLY THE LIGHTER WEIGHTS BUT THE UPPER WEIGHTS T00. Y0U 0BVI0USLY KN0W N0THING AB0UT 0LYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTING. RIGHT DRUGS ARE EVEN. S0 WHAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE? IT'S THE TECHNIQUE JUST LIKE IN B0XING,SH0T PUT,WRESTLING. 0LYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTING IS N0T A BRUTE STRENGTH. IT'S A TECHNICAL SP0RT. THEY D0N'T WIN THE BRUTE STRENGTH. THEY WIN WITH SUPERI0R TECHNIQUE. Y0U'RE THE M0R0N.
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RIGHT Y0U GET THE STRENGTH FR0M THE DRUGS. S0 WHAT SEPARATES FIRST FR0M SEC0ND? IT'S TECHNIQUE AND SPEED. D0 Y0U EVEN UNDERSTAND H0W THE LIFTS ARE D0NE. BRUTE STRENGTH IS 0NLY A SMALL PART 0F THE LIFT. IT'S THE SPEED AND EXECUTI0N THAT GETS THE LIFT UP. USING BRUTE STRENGTH T0 D0 THE LIFT WILL N0T GET Y0U ANYWHERE. Y0U PR0VED T0 ME Y0U KN0W N0THING AB0UT 0LYMPIC WEIGHTLIFING BY C0MPARING IT T0 STR0NG MAN EVENTS. Y0U HAVE GUYS WITH 14 INCH ARMS PICKING UP 400 LBS 0VER THEIR HEAD. THEY D0N'T D0 IT WITH BRUTE STRENGTH. BY THE WAY Y0U'RE WR0NG AB0UT AMERICA N0T D0ING WEL IN STRENGTH SP0RTS. AMERICA HAS PR0DUCED L0TS 0F GREAT P0WER LIFTERS BUT ALM0ST N0 GREAT WEIGHTLIFTERS. WHY IS THAT? IT'S BECAUSE IT D0SEN'T MATTER H0W STR0NG Y0U ARE, IF Y0UR TECHNIQUE SUCKS AND Y0U HAVE N0 SPEED, Y0U'LL SUCK AT 0LYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTING AND ALS0 THE C0ACHING HERE IS TERRIBLE.
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yeh thats why you can take a physically weak quik person and make them into world class weightlifters because there fast and have good technique
THEY ARE TOP 1% GENETICS IN THE WORLD, FREAKS OF NATURE............WHY IS THAT SO HARD TO GET THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL
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RIGHT Y0U GET THE STRENGTH FR0M THE DRUGS.
your kidding me now right.... honestly?
i suppose the sprinters get the speed from the drugs too,,,,
america prevailed in powerlifting as the main strength countries 'eastern bloc/china' only funds olympic sports, all there cream went to feild or weight lifiting
they do have all the best coaches as you stated, they also have great technique, but if you dont think these people werent born abnormaly strong there is somthing very wrong with you..
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yeh thats why you can take a physically weak quik person and make them into world class weightlifters because there fast and have good technique
THEY ARE TOP 1% GENETICS IN THE WORLD, FREAKS OF NATURE............WHY IS THAT SO HARD TO GET THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL
PHYSCIALLY WEAK PERS0N CAN BEC0ME VERY STR0NG WITH DRUGS. I NEVER SAID THEY WERE WEAK. I SAID TECHNIQUE AND SPEED IS NUMBER 0NE IN WEIGHTLIFTING F0LL0WED BY STRENGTH. THIS IS WHY Y0U CAN TAKE A WEAK GUY PUT HIM 0N DRUGS BUT IF HE HAS EXCELLENT TECHNIQUE IN THE LIFTS AND INSANE SPEED, HE'LL WIN THE G0LD MEDAL BECAUSE IT'S N0T A BRUTE STRENGTH SP0RT. THE GUY WITH BETTER TECHNIQUE WILL BEAT THE NATURALLY STR0NGER GUY WH0 IS SL0W AND HAS H0RRIBLE TECHNIQUE. THIS IS WHY AMERICA D0ES WELL IN P0WERLIFTING BECAUSE IT'S A BRUTE STRENGTH SP0RT BUT THEY CAN'T PR0DUCE ANY G00D WEIGHTLIFTERS. TH0SE GUYS WIN BECAUSE THEY ARE NATURALLY GIFTED IN THE TECHNICAL ASPECT 0F PERF0RMING THE CLEAN AND JERK AND SNATCH. THEY ARE ALS0 VERY FAST IN THE LIFTS.
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your kidding me now right.... honestly?
i suppose the sprinters get the speed from the drugs too,,,,
america prevailed in powerlifting as the main strength countries 'eastern bloc/china' only funds olympic sports, all there cream went to feild or weight lifiting
they do have all the best coaches as you stated, they also have great technique, but if you dont think these people werent born abnormaly strong there is somthing very wrong with you..
EASTERN EUR0PE STILL D0MINATED P0WERLIFTING IN THE IPF WITH STRICTER RULES T00. THERE IS ALM0ST N0 FUNDING F0R WEIGHTLIFTING IN RUSSIA AS 0F N0W.
THIS IS MY P0INT AGAIN. IT D0SEN'T MATTER IF THEY WERE B0RN SUPER STR0NG 0R N0T. IF THEY SUCK AT THE LIFT THEN THEY W0N'T WIN SHIT. L00K AT ED C0AN WH0 TRIED AND FAILED. Y0U D0N'T UNDERSTAND THE SP0RT 0F WEIGHTLIFTING. IN SPRINTING, IT'S ALL SPEED. THERE IS VERY LITTLE TECHNIQUE INV0LVED. IN 0LYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTING, TECHNIQUE AND SPEED IS EVERYTHING. BRUTE STRENGTH IS SEC0ND. TH0SE PE0PLE WERE B0RN T0 PERF0RM THE LIFTS VERY WELL WITH EXCELLENT TECHNIQUE AND SPEED 0LYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTING IS N0T A BRUTE STRENGTH SP0RT. P0WERLIFTING IS. IF STRENGTH WAS AS IMP0RTANT AS Y0U W0ULD SAY, Y0U W0ULD HAVE SC0TT MENDELS0N,ED C0AN,AND KIRK KIRK0WSKI EASILY WINNING G0LD MEDALS IN 0LYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTING. THEY CAN'T BECAUSE THEIR TECHNIQUE SUCKS AND THEY ARE T00 SL0W REGARDLESS 0F BRUTE STRENGTH. S0 0LYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTING IS STRENGTH SEC0ND AND TECHNIQUE AND SPEED FIRST.
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a physicaly weak person cant become a world class weightlifter/powerlifter or what ever
they are fuck off strong before they ever touch a weight, just as a spritner is fuck off fast before he's ever coached
these supreme human beings are born with extreme explosive power and an ungodly amount on fast twitch fibres
WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO COMPREHEND?
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a physicaly weak person cant become a world class weightlifter/powerlifter or what ever
they are fuck off strong before they ever touch a weight, just as a spritner is fuck off fast before he's ever coached
these supreme human beings are born with extreme explosive power and an ungodly amount on fast twitch fibres
WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO COMPREHEND?
I NEVER SAID THEY WEREN'T STR0NG. I'M SAYING STRENGTH IS N0T AS IMP0RTANT AS SPEED AND TECHNIQUE IN 0LYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTING. THE WEAKER GUY WITH BETTER TECHNIQUE AND SPEED WILL ALWAYS WIN IN 0LYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTING. T0 PUT THAT MUCH WEIGHT 0VER Y0UR HEAD REQUIRES A L0T 0F SPEED AND N0T 0NLY STRENGTH. P0WERLIFTING AND 0LYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTING ARE TW0 DIFFERENT SP0RTS AND BRUTE STRENGTH IN 0NE IS MUCH M0RE IMP0RTANT IN P0WERLIFTING. THAT'S ALL.
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youve stated several times in this thread that they arent strong, arent an elite ... now you concede they are, i just dont see the point your trying to proove
why cant you just give these guys credit as legit top athletes, not wanka red neck powerlifters, real top top olympians
and if you think none of these monsters couldnt have trained and won numerous powerlifting titles your crazy, but why would they when there legends in there countries winning OLYMPIC gold medals, not tin cup trophies
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youve stated several times in this thread that they arent strong, arent an elite ... now you concede they are, i just dont see the point your trying to proove
why cant you just give these guys credit as legit top athletes, not wanka red neck powerlifters, real top top olympians
and if you think none of these monsters couldnt have trained and won numerous powerlifting titles your crazy, but why would they when there legends in there countries winning OLYMPIC gold medals, not tin cup trophies
I NEVER SAID THEY WEREN'T STR0NG. I SAID IT'S N0T A NECCESSITY T0 HAVE INSANE BRUTE STRENGTH T0 BE A GREAT WEIGHTLIFTER. ED C0AN IS AN EXAMPLE 0F A GUY WH0 HAS BRUTE STRENGTH BUT SUCKS AT 0LYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTING. MARK HENRY IS AN0THER GUY AND S0 ARE MANY M0RE GREAT P0WERLIFTERS. ACTUALLY, I D0 SEE THEM M0RE AS ATHLETES THAN P0WERLIFTERS BECAUSE IT'S N0T JUST PURE BRUTE STRENGTH BUT A C0MBINATI0N 0F SPEED,FLEXIBILITY,P0WER,STRENGTH,AND TECHNIQUE ALL IN 0NE LIFT.
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you stated plenty times they arent strong and the strength comes from the drugs anyways
if you read up on any of this, the soviets and Chinese pick the strongest kids from a young age, the creme of the crop have state money spent on them developing them into great athletes
you name coan and henry.... so your telling me none of the olympic greats wouldnt have been as big in powerlifting if theyd dedicated there lives to it too?
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you stated plenty times they arent strong and the strength comes from the drugs anyways
if you read up on any of this, the soviets and Chinese pick the strongest kids from a young age, the creme of the crop have state money spent on them developing them into great athletes
you name coan and henry.... so your telling me none of the olympic greats wouldnt have been as big in powerlifting if theyd dedicated there lives to it too?
S0ME 0F THEM ARE N0T VERY STR0NG NATURALLY. S0ME ARE. F0R EXAMPLE, TARNENK0 THE WEIGHTLIFTER THAT STILL H0LDS THE REC0RD F0R CLEAN AND JERK BEF0RE THEY CHANGED THE WEIGHTS SAID THAT YURK VARDANYAN THE ARMENIAN LIFTER WAS WEAK WITH0UT THE DRUGS. I NEVER SAID THEY ARE ALL WEAK. I KN0W A C0UPLE 0F WEIGHTLIFTERS FR0M THE F0RMER USSR. THEY W0ULD TELL Y0U THE SAME EXACT THING I'M TELLING. STRENGTH IS 0NLY SEC0ND T0 TECHNIQUE AND IF Y0U HAVE PHENEM0NAL TECHNIQUE AND SPEED IN THE LIFT, THEN Y0U'LL BE A W0RLD CHAMP. REGARDLESS IF THEY PICK THE KIDS, THE CHINESE AND ASIANS ARE PHYSICALLY WEAKER THAN EUR0PEANS IN BRUTE STRENGTH. I'M SURE A L0T 0F THEM W0ULD BE GREAT IN P0WERLIFTING, BUT THAT D0SEN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT IN 0LYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTING TECHNIQUE AND SPEED IS FIRST AND STRENGTH IS SEC0ND. ALS0, WHEN THEY PICKED THE KIDS, STRENGTH WAS N0T THE IMP0RTANT FACT0R THEY L00KED AT. THEY L00KED T0 SEE WHETHER THEY CAN PERF0RM THE LIFT WELL AND IF THEY HAD A NATURAL TALENT F0R THE EXECUTI0N 0F THE LIFTS.
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Olympic lifting is one of the fastest sports in the world. Need to be athletic by nature, with quickness, timing and genetic gifted power. Developing the technical form/style , quickness and timing for lifting directs the raw power to useable improved strength. Might mention overwhelming confidence when flipping up or jerking & holding, above the head ,400 to 500 lbs.
Though Power Lifting can be somewhat related to Olympic lifting, PL'ing requires a very short range of motion compared to Olympic lifting. Even PL'ing squats are being allowed to just a bit below the mid range breaks. For pure athletic abilities, strength, quickness and courage Olympic lifting will have an overwhelming advantage over PL'ing. (speed and quickness are not the same in lifting or any thing else)
The old Soviet block (maybe now even) would select both boys & girls (as young as 6) to be tested for certain sports like soccer , track & field, lifting, basketball, etc. Besides body bio-mechanics (regarding athletic abilities) they would be measured for bone length/thickness, muscle/ligament displacement, etc. All to fine the best sports potential for each kid. China is way into this for quite a number of years also. Those kids who were exceptional would attend special sports schools for education and training. No matter which county, mental and emotional exams are included along with their sports training.
Perhaps not so much talent (though basic talent is very important) but a good bet that future potential ,through science and intense training, can be fulfilled. We do this stuff here in America, on a smaller scale . looking for future football, basketball, etc players. Stating , usually, from middle school and up. Of course we do have special sports high schools (in the US) but will never admit it. Good Luck.
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I see what asbrus is trying to say and he is right to a certain degree. For example if you clean and jerk 400lbs, it wouldn't make much sense for you to use a lot more than that on squats. Since all you would be doing is overtaxing your recovery without gaining much benefit for your competition lifts. So while you may see someone do front squats with 405 on the bar for 10, if they have no clue and previous expirience with Oly lifting they will get pinned to the floor with less than 3 plates. And as a side note, I cringe everytime someone brings up an Olympic weightlifting routine and schedule and tries to apply it to bodybuilding or powerlifting. You can practice the olympic lifts more than four times a week with heavy weights in relation to your 1rm, try doing that with the deadlift. Olympic lifts are fast and explosive with virtually no eccentric with the heaviest of weights, there are no grinding reps.
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only difference between training for strength and size is rep range..
strength focus on low reps while incorporating moderate to higher reps..
size focus on moderate reps while incorporating low reps and high reps..
I think training for size or strength is the same thing. Only thing difference is that if you want to be as strong as possible, you have to incorporate heavy weights for a few months before maxing.
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I'm kind of doing something like this regularly. ;D It might sound extreme, but I'm a natural trainer and it works well for me. It's a lot effort but hey, nothing's easy right? For example, during the last 6 days I have worked my biceps about 6 or 7? times, I'm not sure exactly, but the volume I have done per arm within these 6 days is 7.2 metric tons. ;D I just won't have any results if there isn't a shit loads of volume involved. My training is very unusual in lots of ways but lets not go there.
To add: with volume and frequence, first thing you notice is how your work capacity increases, not so much your strength or muscle mass. It takes a while to use that work capacity to further push your body and get those strength and muscle mass benefits.
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About weightlifting: in weightlifting, strength absolutely rules! There have been olympic champions with mediocre technique, but not a single weak one! And oh yes, they are the strongest people on the planet.
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About weightlifting: in weightlifting, strength absolutely rules! There have been olympic champions with mediocre technique, but not a single weak one! And oh yes, they are the strongest people on the planet.
S0 THE CHINESE ARE THE 0NE 0F THE STR0NGEST PE0PLE 0N THE PLANET? THE CLEAN AND JERK AND SNATCH ARE N0T ABS0LUTE STRENGTH LIFTS. STRENGTH IS A PART 0F THE LIFT BUT IT'S N0T EVERYTHING.
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S0 THE CHINESE ARE THE 0NE 0F THE STR0NGEST PE0PLE 0N THE PLANET? THE CLEAN AND JERK AND SNATCH ARE N0T ABS0LUTE STRENGTH LIFTS. STRENGTH IS A PART 0F THE LIFT BUT IT'S N0T EVERYTHING.
You have something against Chinese? They are very good at lower weightclasses, sometimes even dominating, but they have never had good super heavyweight lifters. The weights, while not as heavy as in a deadlift or even bench press, are heavy enough that absolute strength is the determining factor. Why do pro shot putters, who push a 16 pound shot around, bench press near 300 kilos? Strength rules even with those loads, now we are talking hundreds of kilos of external load.
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Was watching weighlifting on euro-sport last week, mid-weight categorie, all guy have huge and solid quads, hams and glutes, also massive back, especially erector, traps, incredible thickness and density, 3 dimension back and quads,
So just let them train chest, arm, shoulder and they'll smoke average bber easily.
Average bber lack of mass and density for their bodyweight, because they spent to many time on sissy exercises; leg press, leg ext etc won't give you quads like weighlifter BECAUSE NOTHING hurt quads like front squat or oly squat.
front squat ass to the bottom is the best exercise for quads.
when you see what kind of legs and back weightlifer can build with weighlifiting range of rep and exercise that must be a lesson to all bber.
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You have something against Chinese? They are very good at lower weightclasses, sometimes even dominating, but they have never had good super heavyweight lifters. The weights, while not as heavy as in a deadlift or even bench press, are heavy enough that absolute strength is the determining factor. Why do pro shot putters, who push a 16 pound shot around, bench press near 300 kilos? Strength rules even with those loads, now we are talking hundreds of kilos of external load.
EVERY0NE KEEPS SAYING THAT CHINESE D0MINATE THE L0WER WEIGHT CLASSES 0NLY. THIS ISN'T TRUE AS THEY START T0 WIN MEDALS IN THE UPPER WEIGHT CLASSES T00. EVEN S0, A CHINESE LIGHTWEIGHT IS NEVER NATURALLY STR0NGER THAN A EUR0PEAN. THE CHINESE HAVE W0N AS A TEAM F0R THE LAST 10 YEARS. S0 G0ING BY Y0UR L0GIC CHINA MEN ARE THE STR0NGEST BEINGS 0N EARTH. D0 Y0U EVEN UNDERSTAND H0W THE LIFTS ARE D0NE? THE CLEAN AND JERK AND SNATCH REQUIRES AMAZING SPEED AND TECHNIQUE T0 GET THE LIFT UP. THIS IS WHY Y0U SEE AN 13 YEAR 0LD S0METIMES PICK UP 225 LBS 0VER HER HEAD. THIS ISN'T ABS0LUTE STRENGTH. IT'S M0RE EXPL0SIVE P0WER AND SPEED WITH PR0PER TECHNIQUE AND FLEXIBILITY.
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i still dont get your beef with the chinkies,,,, why cant they be as strong as europeans? indians and iranians arent known as being a strong race but they have churned out a few good lifters in the past.
regarding the other post about weightlifters training chest n arms and bodybuilding, your probly right, but as i said, they are an elite genetically, somthing asbus just cant seem to get into his thick head
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EVERY0NE KEEPS SAYING THAT CHINESE D0MINATE THE L0WER WEIGHT CLASSES 0NLY. THIS ISN'T TRUE AS THEY START T0 WIN MEDALS IN THE UPPER WEIGHT CLASSES T00. EVEN S0, A CHINESE LIGHTWEIGHT IS NEVER NATURALLY STR0NGER THAN A EUR0PEAN. THE CHINESE HAVE W0N AS A TEAM F0R THE LAST 10 YEARS. S0 G0ING BY Y0UR L0GIC CHINA MEN ARE THE STR0NGEST BEINGS 0N EARTH. D0 Y0U EVEN UNDERSTAND H0W THE LIFTS ARE D0NE? THE CLEAN AND JERK AND SNATCH REQUIRES AMAZING SPEED AND TECHNIQUE T0 GET THE LIFT UP. THIS IS WHY Y0U SEE AN 13 YEAR 0LD S0METIMES PICK UP 225 LBS 0VER HER HEAD. THIS ISN'T ABS0LUTE STRENGTH. IT'S M0RE EXPL0SIVE P0WER AND SPEED WITH PR0PER TECHNIQUE AND FLEXIBILITY.
This is kind of funny because I HAVE done the lifts (am I the only one here?), I was pretty good at them when I did them (now just getting stronger, will get back to the lifts sometime in the near future). YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW TOUGH EVEN A 100 KG CLEAN AND JERK CAN BE, STRENGTH WISE, BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT! YOU HAVE NO IDEA, SO SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
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This is kind of funny because I HAVE done the lifts (am I the only one here?), I was pretty good at them when I did them (now just getting stronger, will get back to the lifts sometime in the near future). YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW TOUGH EVEN A 100 KG CLEAN AND JERK CAN BE, STRENGTH WISE, BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT! YOU HAVE NO IDEA, SO SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
ARE Y0U G0ING T0 CRY N0W LITTLE GIRL? L0L THERE ARE 15 YEAR 0LD KIDS LIFTING THAT MUCH WEIGHT WH0 ARE INT0 0LYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTING IN S0ME C0UNTRIES. I CAN PRESS 185 LBS F0R REPS. IF I TRAINED F0R IT 220 W0ULD BE CAKEWALK F0R ME. I'M N0T AN 0LYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTER BUT I KN0W IF Y0U T0LD A C0ACH 0R A T0P ATHLETE WHAT Y0U T0LD ME THEY'D LAUGH AT Y0U. T0 LIFT 400 BLS 0VER Y0UR HEAD REQUIRES AN INSANE AM0UNT 0F SPEED AND TECHNICAL ABILITY AND N0T JUST STRENGTH. I D0N'T CARE IF Y0U'VE D0NE THE LIFTS. THE IDEA THAT Y0U'RE A GR0WN MAN AND HAVING TR0UBLE LIFTING 100 KG IS N0T A STRENGTH ISSUE. Y0UR T00 SL0W AND Y0UR TECHNIQUE SUCKS. THIS IS WHY Y0U CAN'T CLEAN AND JERK THAT WEIGHT. THERE ARE GIRLS THAT ARE INT0 WEIGHTLIFTING WTH 13 INCH ARMS AND TINY DELTS LIFTING THAT MUCH.
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I knew it.
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I knew it.
BRB CLEAN AND JERKING 100 KGS WITH0UT SPEED AND H0RRIBLE TECHNIQUE AND JUST USING BRUTE STRENGTH LIKE Y0U SAY. N0 W0NDER Y0U CAN'T JERK IT. WHY AM I EVEN ARGUING WITH Y0U? IT'S CLEAR Y0U D0N'T UNDERSTAND THE SP0RT AND H0W THE LIFTS ARE D0NE EVIDENT BY Y0UR C0MMENT THAT WEIGHTLIFTING IS ALL STRENGTH. T00 FUNNY.
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Keep talking, maybe some fool will listen to you. Master of weightlifting. ::)
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ARE Y0U G0ING T0 CRY N0W LITTLE GIRL? L0L THERE ARE 15 YEAR 0LD KIDS LIFTING THAT MUCH WEIGHT WH0 ARE INT0 0LYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTING IN S0ME [s]C0UNTRIES.[/
yeh, and those 15yr olds are the same cream of the genetic pool that i was talking about...
kind of like how you have great genes for typing rubbish in CAPS