Getbig.com: American Bodybuilding, Fitness and Figure
Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: GroinkTropin on February 25, 2011, 06:34:45 PM
-
Sup ya'll. I have extremely wide clavicles and while that has it's perks, sadly it leaves my chest looking a bit shallow. It is REALLY tough for me to get my chest to have any real thickness and depth.
This is something I remember Cutler talking about, and just wondering if anyone has any copies of the routine he used to bring his chest up, or any routines for guys with wide shoulders in general?
I personally have been experimenting a lot with dips and decline flyes recently. I remember reading an article where Jay stated he had wide shoulders and struggled for years getting his chest to grow. I think he said starting chest workouts with decline flyes fixed it for him, over time.
Post routines and advice please.
-
Cutler's training routine will not help you. Maybe his drug routine.
-
ive the same exact problem, wide back, good delts and a chest lacking thickness!!!! dont think i'll ever have a full chest what ever i do
-
Seriously.......somethin g I've found that worked awesome and I've recommended to others... do your pressing movements first, all of them, then do incline and flat db flyes, focusing on stretch, not weight.
-
Sup ya'll. I have extremely wide clavicles and while that has it's perks, sadly it leaves my chest looking a bit shallow. It is REALLY tough for me to get my chest to have any real thickness and depth.
This is something I remember Cutler talking about, and just wondering if anyone has any copies of the routine he used to bring his chest up, or any routines for guys with wide shoulders in general?
I personally have been experimenting a lot with dips and decline flyes recently. I remember reading an article where Jay stated he had wide shoulders and struggled for years getting his chest to grow. I think he said starting chest workouts with decline flyes fixed it for him, over time.
Post routines and advice please.
incline barbell press, bring the bar down to your neck- pause at the bottom 2 seconds (but dont rest the bar on your chest) then press, flex, squeeze... focus on the flex and squeeze more than lifting a stupid heavy amount of weight where you end up using more delts and triceps than you need to.
also dont overlook simple things like pushups. They are a great exercise and a lot of people dont do them. I usually do a few sets of pushups at the end of my chest workout.
-
Nothing is going to make that much difference, you just need more muscle to fill the area.
I have a similar problem.
-
Seriously.......something I've found that worked awesome and I've recommended to others... do your pressing movements first, all of them, then do incline and flat db flyes, focusing on stretch, not weight.
this is what i do to your mom
-
this is what i do to your mom
LOL...... brutal.
-
Seriously.......something I've found that worked awesome and I've recommended to others... do your pressing movements first, all of them, then do incline and flat db flyes, focusing on stretch, not weight.
I do something like that. First a pressing movement (incline), then move on to a fly (incline), then a pressing (flat) and finish with a fly (flat).
-
Cutler's training routine will not help you. Maybe his drug routine.
Methyl Mike is going to be the first drug free pro (in 3 years)
Maybe this is his first speed bump?
-
Pull your scapula inward toward each other, and don't move them. Then bench, whether it's incline, decline, or regular. Keep your scapula inward.
-
Pull your scapula inward toward each other, and don't move them. Then bench, whether it's incline, decline, or regular. Keep your scapula inward.
I had a buddy who was a PT teach me that. I have forgotten to do it lately, probably time I got back to it.
My issue is that my pecs do not easily contract. It's tough to really feel my chest squeeze and contract doing any kind of press. I feel flyes and dips though. I have been sticking with those quite a bit lately. But I seem to build the most mass doing the barbell presses. Hmm.
My latest routine was incline db flye followed by flat db press, then decline flyes and dips. The workout previous was incline bb press followed by incline flye, then decline flye and dips.
Just trying to find the perfect routine and concentrate on it for a few weeks.
Where do you all place cable crossovers in terms of ability to stimulate muscle? Maybe as a pre-exhaust? I do them sometimes at the end as a pumping movement, I do actually seem to get really good contractions from them. But I have this mental stigma attached to them that they do not build muscle, especially as I do not feel them if I go heavy enough to get less than 12 reps. Thoughts?
-
bench press. dont your roll shoulders forward. keep shoulder blades pinched. focus on increasing poundage.
lets say you currently bench 275 for sets of 6. if you can work yoru way up to 365 for sets of 6 your chest is going to grow. is has to.
good luck
-
If Methyl Mikes chest sucks now it'll always suck. Deal with it. :D
-
If Methyl Mikes chest sucks now it'll always suck. Deal with it. :D
maybe in relation to the rest of his body.
-
maybe in relation to the rest of his body.
Exactly. His proportions will not change to appreciable degree no matter what. He's no newbie from what I know.
But if he finds the solution he should tell Centerfoni. :D
-
Exactly. His proportions will not change to appreciable degree no matter what. He's no newbie from what I know.
But if he finds the solution he should tell Centerfoni. :D
he could stop training front delts for a while
-
Try wide-grip bench presses to the throat for sets of 20 to 25 reps.
-
Try wide-grip bench presses to the throat for sets of 20 to 25 reps.
Tried that years ago, I honestly do not remember if this worked or not. Might have to give it a go. Flat bench right? Smith machine or no?
-
Exactly. His proportions will not change to appreciable degree no matter what. He's no newbie from what I know.
But if he finds the solution he should tell Centerfoni. :D
Exactly! Look @ liar priest. Like any other body part, once its shitty it usually never changes.
No one except for Bob Paris had everything ( no homo )
-
he could stop training front delts for a while
I don't train front delts usually. In fact I hit shoulders once a month now and no matter how fast everything else grows they stay ahead or even pace with everything else.
I actually spent a lot of last year and this year doing chest and arms and then taking a few days off then hitting them again, then a normal split, then another couple weeks focused on them. My proportions are actually MUCH better, everything is damn close to evening out. But my fear is that soon I will want to bulk up and put on weight and when I go back to hitting everything equally my chest and arms will go back to lagging behind.
Thing is I have a REALLY small waist and REALLY wide shoulders. As soon as I put on weight my back legs and shoulders get really massive but my chest can't seem to thicken out as fast because it's really wide and my arms do not get smaller, they just need a ton of extra size to look right. Not sure if any of this makes sense...
-
Flat bench, but I suppose that you could stimulate a similar effect by taking the seat down way low on a machine so that it would mimic the movement more correctly. Not to mention the fact that it would be a bit safer on a machine, since lowering the bar to your throat may cause a little anxiety lol
-
bench press. dont your roll shoulders forward. keep shoulder blades pinched. focus on increasing poundage.
lets say you currently bench 275 for sets of 6. if you can work yoru way up to 365 for sets of 6 your chest is going to grow. is has to.
good luck
lol he is not going to put a 90 pound increase on his bench any time soon - your theory is right though but remember MM is going to turn pro all natural :D
-
MM,
Try Wide grip bench presses to your neck, Gironda Dips, Low Incline flies, cable crossovers and other chest movements that take your delts out of the movement.
-
I love how you guys jump on me for trying to improve some weaknesses that I have. Because, you know, no bodybuilder has ever improved on a weakness. In fact, the essence of bodyBUILDING is to just wake up perfect and then run onstage, win some trophys and then retire. Centopani should just give up now as should any pro or recreational bodybuilder with some weaknesses. Also note I never said my chest SUCKS, I said having wide shoulders it's tough for me to keep it thickening and looking right with the pace that everything else grows.
-
MM,
Try Wide grip bench presses to your neck, Gironda Dips, Low Incline flies, cable crossovers and other chest movements that take your delts out of the movement.
So the Gironda dip is basically a reverse grip dip? I checked out some videos on youtube.
Also how would you order the exercises, sets and reps? Should I stick with this routine only for a few weeks or alternate with a B routine?
-
Centopani should just give up now as should any pro or recreational bodybuilder with some weaknesses.
Well how come Centopani's chest is still relatively weak? You don't think he's known about it for years?
Why should he give up, he's doing fantastic. But his chest will always remain a relative weak point.
Take any bodybuilder at the start of their competitive career and compare to the end of their career. What you'll see is a bigger version of the starting point, with the same proportions. That's unless they go the oil route.
-
methyl mike, aren't you the bro who said you were going to try to turn pro bb within 2 years, naturally? how's that working out for you....
-
If you do in fact have "wide shoulders" then why are you complaining ? work the upper and outter sections of your chest hard which will give you more width - if you have a narrow waist then in a line up you will stand out - wide = win so whats the problem ? Bodybuilding is all visual.
-
Lately I've been doing dumbell presses with a deep stretch at the bottom keeping tension on the pecs throughout the range of motion by not completely locking out. Flat and inclines followed by either flat or incline dumbell flyes. Then I do a couple sets of dips.
-
methyl mike, aren't you the bro who said you were going to try to turn pro bb within 2 years, naturally? how's that working out for you....
Good and bad. I haven't been training or eating right since school started. Physio and chem are killing me, shit's tough. But other than that, I plan on doing the San Jose which is in my hometown sometime early July. Bodyweight is meh, around 205 206 right now, super lean though. Probably around 7-8%. Taking creatine, eating 2-3 times a day with no real emphasis on anything. Training has been shitty quite honestly. Poor weather and riding around on a mountain bike with a heavy backpack aren't the best mix and nothing about my day to day life really motivates me to work out. Depressed. Would love to get 100% in the swing of things but I have lost my rhythm...Anyone who might give advice that would help, love to hear it...
-
methyl mike, aren't you the bro who said you were going to try to turn pro bb within 2 years, naturally?
Maybe he should change his handle to Meth Mike...
-
Lately I've been doing dumbell presses with a deep stretch at the bottom keeping tension on the pecs throughout the range of motion by not completely locking out. Flat and inclines followed by either flat or incline dumbell flyes. Then I do a couple sets of dips.
I have tried these presses lately too and live them. Only work up to 60's for 12 though. Do you bring your palms in at the bottom and then rotate back out on the upswing? I have tried that and it works pretty good, probably limiting the amount of weight I can do though.
-
I have tried these presses lately too and live them. Only work up to 60's for 12 though. Do you bring your palms in at the bottom and then rotate back out on the upswing? I have tried that and it works pretty good, probably limiting the amount of weight I can do though.
No. I keep the palms in the standard pressing position throughout.
-
If you do in fact have "wide shoulders" then why are you complaining ? work the upper and outter sections of your chest hard which will give you more width - if you have a narrow waist then in a line up you will stand out - wide = win so whats the problem ? Bodybuilding is all visual.
Outer chest? From what I know anatomically speaking your pectoralis major cannot be stimulated in specific regions like that. Either the whole muscle contracts or it does not. Correct me if I am wrong?
-
Outer chest? From what I know anatomically speaking your pectoralis major cannot be stimulated in specific regions like that. Either the whole muscle contracts or it does not. Correct me if I am wrong?
Well BB's have been proving this wrong for years - you want upper chest you do inclines you want more peak on your biceps you do con curls you want more witdh on your shoulders you focus on the medial head- anatomically BB's are wrong right ? well you really should say no to that cos its utter shit - sure the muscle contracts as a whole but certain exercises DO work parts of the muscle more strongly - genetics plays a role here but you can always improve on what you were delt with - BB is pretty much shaping the muscle
-
Good and bad. I haven't been training or eating right since school started. Physio and chem are killing me, shit's tough. But other than that, I plan on doing the San Jose which is in my hometown sometime early July. Bodyweight is meh, around 205 206 right now, super lean though. Probably around 7-8%. Taking creatine, eating 2-3 times a day with no real emphasis on anything. Training has been shitty quite honestly. Poor weather and riding around on a mountain bike with a heavy backpack aren't the best mix and nothing about my day to day life really motivates me to work out. Depressed. Would love to get 100% in the swing of things but I have lost my rhythm...Anyone who might give advice that would help, love to hear it...
1000mgs of testosterone will cheer you up.
-
1000mgs of testosterone will cheer you up.
Haha yup and if you keep it under 2 gram total you are still natural ;D
-
Well BB's have been proving this wrong for years - you want upper chest you do inclines you want more peak on your biceps you do con curls you want more witdh on your shoulders you focus on the medial head- anatomically BB's are wrong right ? well you really should say no to that cos its utter shit - sure the muscle contracts as a whole but certain exercises DO work parts of the muscle more strongly - genetics plays a role here but you can always improve on what you were delt with - BB is pretty much shaping the muscle
I see. I truly believe my chest is just as strong genetically as everything else (except my calves, which are on another level). I think that since I grew up (bodybuilding speaking) in the mid 90's, I got all my routines from Dorian and the like. Since he preached incline bb press, that was what I always did when I was younger. I think I suffer from not having built a solid enough pec major base. The guys with the best chests usually started with flat bb press, dips that sort of thing and built a huge chest, then concentrated on inclines to build upper chest and make it more full. I concentrated on upper chest and in the process built a STRONG set of front delts! So I am essentially making up for lost time now. If I can build my chest up like it should be, for sure I can pack on weight and look incredible. Just have to put in my time. And, again, it's not like my chest flat out SUCKS because it doesn't. Thanks for the input.
-
Work with wide grip and go heavy in the range of six reps. Once you fail go for 8 more reps with a spotter helping only on the push up to the rack on your heaviest set. You shouldn't have much left in your active muscles after that. Use flys for the end of your workout, just go heavy on bench as much as possible. Be sure you're using a grip that is wide and you're holding your shoulder blades tight so that your chest is doing the most work. That will also shorten the distance of the reps. Also try weighted dips.
-
1000mgs of testosterone will cheer you up.
It's not that simple. I was diagnosed type 2 bi-polar. What it means is that I am strongly bi-polar but not a true clinical bi-polar sufferer. For me specifically I go up just a little above baseline and then bottom back out into hardcore depression. That lasts a few weeks then for a week or two I hover between stable and mid-manic, then plummet back down to depression. I tend to drink when I am depressed. A lot.
Tried prozac and lamictal but neither made me feel very good. The prozac made me indifferent, the lamictal a straight up zombie. As I do not have health insurance I am not sure what to do. I can see the school clinic for free, I might try that.
For the last few years, the cycle repeats and my workouts go like this- for two weeks I hit it hard, eat perfect and my body comes TO LIFE. Like nothing you have ever seen before. I go from a lean guy with a great build to a legitimate bodybuilder. Great shape lines muscle bellies, great back legs shoulders etc. I truly believe in my heart that genetically I am elite.
But something happens, dunno if there are triggers or what, probably not, but suddenly I get out of class and at night (this always happens at night) I just crave alcohol. Bad. But the craving isn't like what you would think it is, it's more like I am on top of the world and excited, full of energy, and for some reason the alcohol just sounds like the greatest thing in the world. For some reason NOTHING in my mind tells me its a bad idea. I just go for it, without thinking.
Next thing I know I am in the dumps, I haven't eaten much for a week, two three weeks, haven't set foot in the gym. I get borderline suicidal sometimes. Like, what's the point? Get my degree, make more useless money, maybe get married, get old. Why bother?
Then I start coming out of it again. My posting here on Getbig tells me I am coming out of another slump. Will probably work out today and if not for sure tomorrow and the next two weeks or so I will be back on the ball 100%.
Not sure what to do honestly. This is probably not the best place for advice, but at least it feels good to tell SOMEONE. I do not think anyone can relate to what I go through. But that is me in a nutshell.
If I can get my head right, the sky is the limit. I do not know. Been going to church for a few months now with a good friend, great church really. I am hoping if I level with my buddy, he can help me get on the right track and stay there. I really envy the guy, how he is always level headed and always makes the right decisions. He never seems to struggle with anything, very strong character. Something I would like to strive for. We will see.
Anyone want to throw me a bone here, feel free. I also have ADD, not that it really matters. Guess it mighte.
-
bench press. dont your roll shoulders forward. keep shoulder blades pinched. focus on increasing poundage.
lets say you currently bench 275 for sets of 6. if you can work yoru way up to 365 for sets of 6 your chest is going to grow. is has to.
good luck
no it doesn't....bench press is a easy movement to manipulate...more technique than strength is involved for most people..
bench
-
no it doesn't....bench press is a easy movement to manipulate...more technique than strength is involved for most people..
bench
the advice is given under the assumption that good, bodybuiulding form is being used
methyl, once again, the only advice thats going to give you any results= get your chest stronger, then it will get bigger.
it wont get bigger unless it gets stronger.
focus on that
-
Either quit bodybuilding or get pec implants.
-
Good and bad. I haven't been training or eating right since school started. Physio and chem are killing me, shit's tough. But other than that, I plan on doing the San Jose which is in my hometown sometime early July. Bodyweight is meh, around 205 206 right now, super lean though. Probably around 7-8%. Taking creatine, eating 2-3 times a day with no real emphasis on anything. Training has been shitty quite honestly. Poor weather and riding around on a mountain bike with a heavy backpack aren't the best mix and nothing about my day to day life really motivates me to work out. Depressed. Would love to get 100% in the swing of things but I have lost my rhythm...Anyone who might give advice that would help, love to hear it...
Sounds like you need to HTFU, MM.
-
Good and bad. I haven't been training or eating right since school started. Physio and chem are killing me, shit's tough. But other than that, I plan on doing the San Jose which is in my hometown sometime early July. Bodyweight is meh, around 205 206 right now, super lean though. Probably around 7-8%. Taking creatine, eating 2-3 times a day with no real emphasis on anything. Training has been shitty quite honestly. Poor weather and riding around on a mountain bike with a heavy backpack aren't the best mix and nothing about my day to day life really motivates me to work out. Depressed. Would love to get 100% in the swing of things but I have lost my rhythm...Anyone who might give advice that would help, love to hear it...
The san jose is a good show to do for your first show. Its usually not the toughest, but theres a good crowd there and its pretty well ran.
Good luck dude.
-
the advice is given under the assumption that good, bodybuiulding form is being used
methyl, once again, the only advice thats going to give you any results= get your chest stronger, then it will get bigger.
it wont get bigger unless it gets stronger.
focus on that
Not true.
I had my buddy work with me two years ago, he said my interior shoulder muscles are very weak and delts overpower my pecs.
In translation what happens is that my pecs do not fully contract, when doing an exercise they tense and only support my delts. Until recently I could only get small to moderate contractions on any chest exercise.
When I was younger, I used to decline 365x6 and my chest is better now than it was then by a LOT.
I have been working hard though. Hopefully will get this corrected soon. If I can just achieve full contractions in my pecs like I get in my lats or biceps quads whatever, I will kick fucking ASS.
-
The san jose is a good show to do for your first show. Its usually not the toughest, but theres a good crowd there and its pretty well ran.
Good luck dude.
Thanks dude. I will post updates sometime in March.
-
Cutler's training routine will not help you. Maybe his drug routine.
Mike will be an IFBB pro without taking drugs in 3 years, hth.
::) ::)
-
{Bench Press: 3 x 10
Tri-Set-{Flat Flyes: 3 x 10
{Smith Inclines: 3 x 10
Constant weight,no rest between exercises,1 min. rest between Tri-Sets.......followed by 3 sets of paralell bar dips to failure.
Thank me later.
-
`<i always destroy the shit out of my pecs with the pec deck machine, then flies, then cross-overs, then some kind of pressing movements
-
It's not that simple. I was diagnosed type 2 bi-polar. What it means is that I am strongly bi-polar but not a true clinical bi-polar sufferer. For me specifically I go up just a little above baseline and then bottom back out into hardcore depression. That lasts a few weeks then for a week or two I hover between stable and mid-manic, then plummet back down to depression. I tend to drink when I am depressed. A lot.
Tried prozac and lamictal but neither made me feel very good. The prozac made me indifferent, the lamictal a straight up zombie. As I do not have health insurance I am not sure what to do. I can see the school clinic for free, I might try that.
For the last few years, the cycle repeats and my workouts go like this- for two weeks I hit it hard, eat perfect and my body comes TO LIFE. Like nothing you have ever seen before. I go from a lean guy with a great build to a legitimate bodybuilder. Great shape lines muscle bellies, great back legs shoulders etc. I truly believe in my heart that genetically I am elite.
But something happens, dunno if there are triggers or what, probably not, but suddenly I get out of class and at night (this always happens at night) I just crave alcohol. Bad. But the craving isn't like what you would think it is, it's more like I am on top of the world and excited, full of energy, and for some reason the alcohol just sounds like the greatest thing in the world. For some reason NOTHING in my mind tells me its a bad idea. I just go for it, without thinking.
Next thing I know I am in the dumps, I haven't eaten much for a week, two three weeks, haven't set foot in the gym. I get borderline suicidal sometimes. Like, what's the point? Get my degree, make more useless money, maybe get married, get old. Why bother?
Then I start coming out of it again. My posting here on Getbig tells me I am coming out of another slump. Will probably work out today and if not for sure tomorrow and the next two weeks or so I will be back on the ball 100%.
Not sure what to do honestly. This is probably not the best place for advice, but at least it feels good to tell SOMEONE. I do not think anyone can relate to what I go through. But that is me in a nutshell.
If I can get my head right, the sky is the limit. I do not know. Been going to church for a few months now with a good friend, great church really. I am hoping if I level with my buddy, he can help me get on the right track and stay there. I really envy the guy, how he is always level headed and always makes the right decisions. He never seems to struggle with anything, very strong character. Something I would like to strive for. We will see.
Anyone want to throw me a bone here, feel free. I also have ADD, not that it really matters. Guess it mighte.
Sounds like you have a substance abuse problem in conjuction with your bi-polar issues.
Everything you have stated sounds like a classic case of alcoholism, you go through a bender, go throug the following depression when when you get sober, then go through the phase where you brain recovers, then the alcohol cravings hit you again.
When you get that giddy-full of energy-alcohol craving, thats the key.
You might check into some substance abuse counseling in addition to the bi-polar thing. I know you probably dont want to hear/believe it, but its exactly the same shit I went through. The prozac, etc isnt going to help cause the cravings are whats starting your cycle.
Trust me, Ive been through everything youre describing. You may well be bi-polar, but a lot of people that believe they are bi-polar are really alcoholics and when they get they alcoholism/addiction under control, the mood swings vanish.
-
Sounds like you have a substance abuse problem in conjuction with your bi-polar issues.
Everything you have stated sounds like a classic case of alcoholism, you go through a bender, go throug the following depression when when you get sober, then go through the phase where you brain recovers, then the alcohol cravings hit you again.
When you get that giddy-full of energy-alcohol craving, thats the key.
You might check into some substance abuse counseling in addition to the bi-polar thing. I know you probably dont want to hear/believe it, but its exactly the same shit I went through. The prozac, etc isnt going to help cause the cravings are whats starting your cycle.
Trust me, Ive been through everything youre describing. You may well be bi-polar, but a lot of people that believe they are bi-polar are really alcoholics and when they get they alcoholism/addiction under control, the mood swings vanish.
I went 10 days totally sober after the new year this year, but that did not last.
How long of a drying out period will I need to get these cravings to go away? How did everything work out for you?
Also I freely admit I am an alcoholic, though I can at times go weeks without drinking. Just do not care for it most of the time. I can also go out and socially drink 2-3 beers go home and go to sleep and not give a shit, but then a craving hits a few days later and I pick up a pint of whisky or vodka and there I go again...
I REALLY do want to get this under control. It is killing me, and that is not a figure of speech.
Appreciate the advice/help.
-
I went 10 days totally sober after the new year this year, but that did not last.
How long of a drying out period will I need to get these cravings to go away? How did everything work out for you?
Also I freely admit I am an alcoholic, though I can at times go weeks without drinking. Just do not care for it most of the time. I can also go out and socially drink 2-3 beers go home and go to sleep and not give a shit, but then a craving hits a few days later and I pick up a pint of whisky or vodka and there I go again...
I REALLY do want to get this under control. It is killing me, and that is not a figure of speech.
Appreciate the advice/help.
If you're an alcoholic, i think you will have to stop alcohol forever. Alcoholism is hell, make sure you get some help fast.
-
I think being alcoholic and trying to go pro naturally is not the best combo there :D
-
I went 10 days totally sober after the new year this year, but that did not last.
How long of a drying out period will I need to get these cravings to go away? How did everything work out for you?
Also I freely admit I am an alcoholic, though I can at times go weeks without drinking. Just do not care for it most of the time. I can also go out and socially drink 2-3 beers go home and go to sleep and not give a shit, but then a craving hits a few days later and I pick up a pint of whisky or vodka and there I go again...
I REALLY do want to get this under control. It is killing me, and that is not a figure of speech.
Appreciate the advice/help.
Rehab helped me immensly. I went through a 21 day intensive inpatient. It took me twice through it before I really soaked up all the info.
1st time I went into it with the wrong attitude. You have to go in WANTING to change. If you do, youll pick up a lot of helpful information, depending on which rehab you go to.
I stongly suggest doing a lot of research on the different facilities if you decide to go to rehab. Find one with good reviews. Lots of places just take your money and dont really care about your wellbeing. On the flipside, lots of places DO care and do have good programs.
You seem to be able to be honest with yourself, thats a big step.
Go to a few AA meetings. Look up different kinds of treatment. Seek counseling, like Wes said.
The time it takes for you to dry out differes from person to person. Treatment will teach you a lot about why you do what you do and how alcoholism works. Different places have different theories and different approaches.
Try seeking counseling.
Youll get out of it what you put into it.
-
Sup ya'll. I have extremely wide clavicles and while that has it's perks, sadly it leaves my chest looking a bit shallow. It is REALLY tough for me to get my chest to have any real thickness and depth.
This is something I remember Cutler talking about, and just wondering if anyone has any copies of the routine he used to bring his chest up, or any routines for guys with wide shoulders in general?
I personally have been experimenting a lot with dips and decline flyes recently. I remember reading an article where Jay stated he had wide shoulders and struggled for years getting his chest to grow. I think he said starting chest workouts with decline flyes fixed it for him, over time.
Post routines and advice please.
Broad shoulders are more desirable than a big chest IMO. I don't think the chest needs to be that big. If you have low bf, the front lats, obliques, and narrow waist all help in the illusion.
-
I think being alcoholic and trying to go pro naturally is not the best combo there :D
I obviously agree...
-
I went 10 days totally sober after the new year this year, but that did not last.
How long of a drying out period will I need to get these cravings to go away? How did everything work out for you?
Also I freely admit I am an alcoholic, though I can at times go weeks without drinking. Just do not care for it most of the time. I can also go out and socially drink 2-3 beers go home and go to sleep and not give a shit, but then a craving hits a few days later and I pick up a pint of whisky or vodka and there I go again...
I REALLY do want to get this under control. It is killing me, and that is not a figure of speech.
Appreciate the advice/help.
Try L-glutamine powder if you haven't. 5 to 10 grams per day. Most sware it kills the cravings. You'll have 1 - 3 drinks and not want anymore.
-
Try L-glutamine powder if you haven't. 5 to 10 grams per day. Most sware it kills the cravings. You'll have 1 - 3 drinks and not want anymore.
Somehow I highly doubt this.
I used to take glutamine, did nothing for addiction problems.
Addiction problems stem from drugs/alcohol's action on dopamine receptors, and how addicts brains start to crave extra dopamine that drugs/alcohol produce in the brain, so its highly doubtful that some over the counter remedy is going to do anything. ::)
*edit*
Not trying to sound like a dick, but bro-science isnt going to fix anything that has to do with alcoholism/addiction.
Its a serious problem.
-
Try L-glutamine powder if you haven't. 5 to 10 grams per day. Most sware it kills the cravings. You'll have 1 - 3 drinks and not want anymore.
I am going to say this might have some validity. I did not drink most of my life. In fact, I turned 21 without having ever gotten drunk. Bodybuilding had been my life since I was 14, and drinking was not a part of bodybuilding. That said my drinking has really only surfaced since I was 26 which means I have 4 years of this crap now, and I can faithfully say all the years in my 20's I drank glutamine with protein daily and never had an issue drinking.
I will give this a shot along with a few other things. Can't hurt.
-
I am going to say this might have some validity. I did not drink most of my life. In fact, I turned 21 without having ever gotten drunk. Bodybuilding had been my life since I was 14, and drinking was not a part of bodybuilding. That said my drinking has really only surfaced since I was 26 which means I have 4 years of this crap now, and I can faithfully say all the years in my 20's I drank glutamine with protein daily and never had an issue drinking.
I will give this a shot along with a few other things. Can't hurt.
Try it. Like you said it cant hurt.
Just realize youre going to keep trying all the little things people say, until at some point you just get fed up, and thats when youre going to do whatever it takes to get better. Theres no easy fix, no magic pill. You have to learn everything you can about it and do what it takes to stay sober.
What you say is a perfect example of alcoholism. It doesnt start untily you start using, and your brain starts liking the dopamine the alcohol releases in your brain. After that, you start getting cravings, and the binges will just keep happening until you learn how to get it under control.
It takes a lot man. Trust me.
-
Somehow I highly doubt this.
I used to take glutamine, did nothing for addiction problems.
Addiction problems stem from drugs/alcohol's action on dopamine receptors, and how addicts brains start to crave extra dopamine that drugs/alcohol produce in the brain, so its highly doubtful that some over the counter remedy is going to do anything. ::)
*edit*
Not trying to sound like a dick, but bro-science isnt going to fix anything that has to do with alcoholism/addiction.
Its a serious problem.
There is literature on it on the net. Anectodal, yes, but nothing works for 100%. Worth a try
-
I have had the same problem since i started lifting. I never associated with wide clavicles since i'm short, but i guess i'm wide for my height. i have a wide back and big delts as well. For the longest time i would just not feel anything when doing chest. Psychologically i feel that if i go crazy on pec deck, it will take away from it symmetry - like Bertyl Fox's chest.
The only thing that gives me a giant pump and my chest actually feels bigger the next day are pushups. I've considered doing pushups only as a chest workout but i have a hard time trading in heavy weights for calisthenics.
I had a buddy who was a PT teach me that. I have forgotten to do it lately, probably time I got back to it.
My issue is that my pecs do not easily contract. It's tough to really feel my chest squeeze and contract doing any kind of press. I feel flyes and dips though. I have been sticking with those quite a bit lately. But I seem to build the most mass doing the barbell presses. Hmm.
My latest routine was incline db flye followed by flat db press, then decline flyes and dips. The workout previous was incline bb press followed by incline flye, then decline flye and dips.
Just trying to find the perfect routine and concentrate on it for a few weeks.
Where do you all place cable crossovers in terms of ability to stimulate muscle? Maybe as a pre-exhaust? I do them sometimes at the end as a pumping movement, I do actually seem to get really good contractions from them. But I have this mental stigma attached to them that they do not build muscle, especially as I do not feel them if I go heavy enough to get less than 12 reps. Thoughts?
-
Try it. Like you said it cant hurt.
Just realize youre going to keep trying all the little things people say, until at some point you just get fed up, and thats when youre going to do whatever it takes to get better. Theres no easy fix, no magic pill. You have to learn everything you can about it and do what it takes to stay sober.
What you say is a perfect example of alcoholism. It doesnt start untily you start using, and your brain starts liking the dopamine the alcohol releases in your brain. After that, you start getting cravings, and the binges will just keep happening until you learn how to get it under control.
It takes a lot man. Trust me.
I am willing to work at it. Dry since friday (woopty doo). Will see how I do this week.
-
Do cable crossovers once a quarter no other workouts or exercises in between and you should be good to go
I tried this it didnt work for me. I'm going with wide grip pushups with a whore on my back.
-
Sup ya'll. I have extremely wide clavicles and while that has it's perks, sadly it leaves my chest looking a bit shallow. It is REALLY tough for me to get my chest to have any real thickness and depth.
This is something I remember Cutler talking about, and just wondering if anyone has any copies of the routine he used to bring his chest up, or any routines for guys with wide shoulders in general?
I personally have been experimenting a lot with dips and decline flyes recently. I remember reading an article where Jay stated he had wide shoulders and struggled for years getting his chest to grow. I think he said starting chest workouts with decline flyes fixed it for him, over time.
Post routines and advice please.
do more dumbbells and cables flies!!.. press movements will always go to your wide shoulders but sure you cant just cancel them :)