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You've said that you believe that Obama is trying to intentionally collapse the nation and you've said his purpose for doing this is to get revenge on the US for what we did to his father (whatever that is)
right?
wouldn't that make Obama the most evil genius ever
In order to fulfill his evil plan all he had to do was become President of the United States and then be cunning enough to hide his true intentions by doing such counter intuitive things like trying to help people get health insurance, continuing the Bush tax cuts (knowing full well, as the Repubs have told us that this will create an avalanche of jobs and save the economy) etc...
I still haven't heard what's in it for Obama in our "post collapsed" world but you have to give him credit for the audacity of his evil plan
All this just to get revenge for some perceived injustice on a father he never even knew
and even now most people don't even know about his true intentions
pretty amazing don't you think?
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Not evil genius at all. We have a nation of 50% absolute morons, welfare parasites, govt workers, 95%'ers, guilt ridden white lemmings, who voted for and support obama for one bogus reason or another. These people, including yourself, will never bring yourselves to admit what is going on.
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You've said that you believe that Obama is trying to intentionally collapse the nation and you've said his purpose for doing this is to get revenge on the US for what we did to his father (whatever that is)
right?
wouldn't that make Obama the most evil genius ever
In order to fulfill his evil plan all he had to do was become President of the United States and then be cunning enough to hide his true intentions by doing such counter intuitive things like trying to help people get health insurance, continuing the Bush tax cuts (knowing full well, as the Repubs have told us that this will create an avalanche of jobs and save the economy) etc...
I still haven't heard what's in it for Obama in our "post collapsed" world but you have to give him credit for the audacity of his evil plan
All this just to get revenge for some perceived injustice on a father he never even knew
and even now most people don't even know about his true intentions
pretty amazing don't you think?
You have the evil part right-- the genius, not so much. If he was that brilliant 333, myself and about 200 million other people wouldn't have picked up on it in less than 2 years. It's not that amazing or astounding or interesting except to morons such as yourself.
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what happened to the missles to russia shit.. still lookin for it..
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Not evil genius at all. We have a nation of 50% absolute morons, welfare parasites, govt workers, 95%'ers, guilt ridden white lemmings, who voted for and support obama for one bogus reason or another. These people, including yourself, will never bring yourselves to admit what is going on.
yeah but give him credit
he's only motivated by personal revenge for his father yet he had to convince the majority of voters that he has some other movitivation.
Once he got in office (the necessary requirement to fulfill his evil plan) he could have taken the fast road to "collapse" by not bailing out the auto companies, not bailing out global banking system, not attempting a stimulus program, not extending unemployment benefits etc..
btw - I have a few questions about Obama's true agenda
What did the US do to his father again?
What's in it for Obama (other then revenge of course) in a post collapsed America. Doesn't he and his family and friends still have to live here?
Is he so blinded by revenge that he's forgotten he and his family and friends will have to live in a "post collapsed" America?
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You have the evil part right-- the genius, not so much. If he was that brilliant 333, myself and about 200 million other people wouldn't have picked up on it in less than 2 years. It's not that amazing or astounding or interesting except to morons such as yourself.
even you have to admit that winning the presidency is no easy feat, especially when you have to hide your true evil intentions
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even you have to admit that winning the presidency is no easy feat, especially when you have to hide your true evil intentions
Again Straw - and I am attacked even on FR for saying this - I blame GWB in part for Obama. Needless to say, here is how Obama got elected:
1. 95% of blacks came out in record numbers to support the first black guy.
2. People were sick of GWB, including any Repubs, and stayed home in protest.
3. MSM kneepadding of historic levels during the primaries. By all rational measures, Hillary was far more qualified and deserving of the spot.
4. Young people, mostly uneducated and uninformed dolts of the MTV/VH1/AI Generation, voted for the cool black guy that sounded nice over the evil old white guy who reminded them of gramps.
5. Timing. Between the crash of the market, the bad mccain campaign, the bush fatigue, almost any Demwas alost a sure lock. Hillary probably would have had even a larger victory if she were the nominee.
6. Hispanics votd for the first minority too for obvious reasons. most minorities are ems for no other reason than race. Sad but true.
7. Obama lies that the msm refused to investigate and allowed with a wink wink. Had McCain had a David Duke relationship like Bama had with Wright, McCain would never have made it out of the primary.
And on and on.
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The muthafucker is the anti-christ...I believe that he's doing exactly what his financial backers want. He's a well oiled empire destroying machine.
He's like GWB on Insulin, GH, etc..
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omg..the missles.. we sold them to russia..
then he took 200mil a day to hang out in india and watch slumdog millionare
and then he called the swat team from his personal cell phone..um errr..i mean his friends did it.
what a joke this guy is..
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No white candidate could ever get awaywith this if the person were David Duke.
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Again Straw - and I am attacked even on FR for saying this - I blame GWB in part for Obama. Needless to say, here is how Obama got elected:
1. 95% of blacks came out in record numbers to support the first black guy.
2. People were sick of GWB, including any Repubs, and stayed home in protest.
3. MSM kneepadding of historic levels during the primaries. By all rational measures, Hillary was far more qualified and deserving of the spot.
4. Young people, mostly uneducated and uninformed dolts of the MTV/VH1/AI Generation, voted for the cool black guy that sounded nice over the evil old white guy who reminded them of gramps.
5. Timing. Between the crash of the market, the bad mccain campaign, the bush fatigue, almost any Demwas alost a sure lock. Hillary probably would have had even a larger victory if she were the nominee.
6. Hispanics votd for the first minority too for obvious reasons. most minorities are ems for no other reason than race. Sad but true.
7. Obama lies that the msm refused to investigate and allowed with a wink wink. Had McCain had a David Duke relationship like Bama had with Wright, McCain would never have made it out of the primary.
And on and on.
all that aside
Obama is intent on collapsing the nation to exact revenge for something we did to his father
right?
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all that aside
Obama is intent on collapsing the nation to exact revenge for something we did to his father
right?
Among other reasons.
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Among other reasons.
that's the only reason I've heard you mention
what are the other reasons and what does Obama get out of a "collapsed" nation?
He must know once his evil plan comes to fruition and we're "collapsed" that his legacy will be worst POTUS ever and perhaps the most evil man on the planet
then what?
is he so blinded by revenge that he's forgotten he and his family will have to live in a post collapsed America?
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Among other reasons.
what did we do to his father?
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that's the only reason I've heard you mention
what are the other reasons and what does Obama get out of a "collapsed" nation?
He must know once his evil plan comes to fruition and we're "collapsed" that his legacy will be worst POTUS ever and perhaps the most evil man on the planet
then what?
is he so blinded by revenge that he's forgotten he and his family will have to live in a post collapsed America?
Being branded "the most evil man on the planet" didn't stop Hitler, Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot from doing their thing. ::)
Arguing with Straw Man is the biggest waste of time on this board. I have never seen this guy admit he was wrong or mistaken, even when you type of 5 pages of evidence proving that he's talking out of his ass (Hi George Washington and the post office). He's the very definition of a sheep.
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that's the only reason I've heard you mention
what are the other reasons and what does Obama get out of a "collapsed" nation?
He must know once his evil plan comes to fruition and we're "collapsed" that his legacy will be worst POTUS ever and perhaps the most evil man on the planet
then what?
is he so blinded by revenge that he's forgotten he and his family will have to live in a post collapsed America?
He hates the country and has done so sinc his childhood. He has told this to may people. Its only the duped followers wh refused to look into his past and associations who are still in denial.
This is a guy who knew obama during college and hung out with him. But oh yeah, Straw knows more than a guy who hung out with Obama what he really believes.
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can't you answer a few simple questions
what did we do to his father?
What are the other reason why he wants to "collapse" our country (is the only other reason that he hates our country?)
what does Obama get out of a post collapsed America?
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Being branded "the most evil man on the planet" didn't stop Hitler, Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot from doing their thing. ::)
Arguing with Straw Man is the biggest waste of time on this board. I have never seen this guy admit he was wrong or mistaken, even when you type of 5 pages of evidence proving that he's talking out of his ass (Hi George Washington and the post office). He's the very definition of a sheep.
feel free to point out any mistake on either of those topics
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can't you answer a few simple questions
what did we do to his father?
What are the other reason why he wants to "collapse" our country (is the only other reason that he hates our country?)
what does Obama get out of a post collapsed America?
Read D Souzas book. Alot of info in there you have no idea about.
And listen to the interview I posted - THIS WAS HIS FRIEND FOR FUCKS SAKE!
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feel free to point out any mistake on either of those topics
Hahahaha, case in point. What a fucking dipshit.
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Hahahaha, case in point. What a fucking dipshit.
I see you have nothing
as I expected
why don't you bump either thread or whatever it is you're referring to and read it again
I'm still waiting for a few simple answers from 333
what did we do to his father?
What are the other reason why he wants to "collapse" our country (is the only other reason that he hates our country?)
what does Obama get out of a post collapsed America?
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Why would I bother explaining myself when you were destroyed in the previous two threads about those topics? Talk about a monumental waste of my time.
Once a sheep, always a sheep.
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I see you have nothing
as I expected
why don't you bump either thread or whatever it is you're referring to and read it again
I'm still waiting for a few simple answers from 333
what did we do to his father?
What are the other reason why he wants to "collapse" our country (is the only other reason that he hates our country?)
what does Obama get out of a post collapsed America?
Straw - go read D Souzas book. I explained it many times. And the iterview posted is from a guy whohung out with Obama and said he called himself a marxist and referred to America as "The enemy". But oh yeah, you know different.
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Meeting Young Obama
American Thinker ^ | February 24, 2011 | John Drew
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My first meeting with young Barack Obama raised strong feelings and left me with a positive first impression. At the time, I felt I'd persuaded a young man anticipating a Marxist-Leninist revolution to appreciate the more practical alternative of conventional politics as a channel for his socialist views.
I met Obama in December of 1980, a couple of days after Christmas, in Portola Valley -- a small town near Stanford University in Palo Alto, CA. I was a 23 year old second-year graduate student in Cornell's Government Department, and had flown to California to visit a 21 year old girlfriend, Caroline Boss. Boss was a senior at Occidental College, where she had taken a class in the fall of 1980 with political theorist Roger Boesche. She met and befriended Obama in that class.
I had been an angry Marxist revolutionary during my undergraduate career at Occidental College. During my hyperactive sophomore year, in the fall of 1976, I founded the Marxist-Socialist group on campus and named it the Political Awareness Fellowship. As I recall, I developed this innocuous sounding name because there were so few students on campus as radical as I, and I was fearful of turning off moderate students who might be willing to learn more about Marxist theory.
On my watch, our group grew to a dozen student activists and managed to attract crowds of 80 or more to our events. The most successful of these was a campaign to raise awareness of the plight of homosexuals who were beaten by Los Angeles City police officers along the Hollywood strip. I promoted this event with a large banner in the Occidental College quad reading: Anita Byrant: Hitler in Drag? During my junior year, I left Occidental College with the mission to study Marxist economics at England's University of Sussex in the fall of 1977.
By the time I returned to Occidental in the fall of 1978 for my senior year, the Political Awareness Fellowship had morphed into something much bigger, an organization with strong leadership, its own office space and a new name. The group's president was Gary Chapman, an older student who had served as a Green Beret in Viet Nam. Chapman was a colorful figure who shared stories from his military career including how he was required to take apart and reassemble his rifle in the dark. Under Chapman's leadership, the group had changed its name to the Democratic Socialist Alliance (DSA). As I recall, he told me "the old name wasn't letting people know what we stood for." I agreed. The DSA met weekly and brought in speakers about once a month. Events were advertised by big signs in the campus quad. During my time at Occidental, the group searched for ways to embarrass the administration, help students to see the evil of the U.S. capitalist system, and mobilize people in preparation for the coming revolution.
In the spring of 1979, Chapman and I joined forces with other students on campus to found an anti-apartheid coalition, called The Student Committee Against Apartheid, which included the leadership of the DSA as well as several other groups. Although the coalition included liberals as well as radicals, I think it is fair to say the most significant intellectual and organizational leadership came from students in the DSA. One of the ironies of our effort is that the white students took the lead in organizing these protests while African-American students seemed strangely passive and uninvolved in fighting the South African regime.
My romance with Boss began in the spring of 1979. Boss had joined the DSA and participated in the anti-apartheid events I helped organize that year. Like me, she was a committed Marxist, preparing for the approaching revolution. That year, I completed my senior honors thesis on Marxist economics. Boss and I danced together after I accepted my Occidental degree in June of 1979 wearing the red armband that signified my solidarity with my Marxist brethren around the world and my commitment to the anti-apartheid movement.
My relationship with Boss continued through the summer of 1979 and the academic year 1979-1980. She spent the summer of 1980 with me at Cornell University in Ithaca, New York. When Boss returned to Occidental in the fall of 1980 for her senior year, she enrolled in Professor Roger Boesche's European Political Thought class. It was there that she met Barack Obama who was starting his sophomore year.
When I first saw Obama, I remember I was standing on the porch of Boss's parents' impressive home as a sleek, expensive luxury car pulled up the driveway. Two young men emerged from the vehicle. They were well-dressed and looked like they were born to wealth and privilege. I was a little surprised to learn they were Boss's friends from Occidental College until she articulated the underlying0 political connection. "They're on our side," she said.
The taller of the two was Obama, then only 19, who towered over his five-foot-five companion, Mohammed Hasan Chandoo - a wealthy, 21 year old Pakistani student. Chandoo had a full dark black, neatly trimmed moustache, and was dressed in expensive clothes. Nevertheless, Obama was the more handsome of the two. At six foot two, Obama carried himself with the dignity and poise of a model. The diminutive Chandoo, in contrast, came across as more of a practical, businessman type. Obama displayed a visible deference to Chandoo when they were standing together at the vehicle.
Chandoo was vaguely familiar to me as a participant in the earlier anti-apartheid rallies on the Occidental College campus. In David Remnick's book, The Bridge, Chandoo's bona fides as a committed Marxist were well-known to those close to him. Chandoo's girlfriend at the time, Margot Mifflin, told Remnick that "n college, Hasan was a socialist, a Marxist, which is funny since he is from a wealthy family." (See, Remnick, David, The Bridge, Alfred A, Knopf, 2010, page 104.) Young Obama, on the other hand, was completely new to me.
"This is Barack Obama," Boss said.
Since I was not much taller than Chandoo, I remember I looked up at Obama as we shook hands. I was completely mystified by the pronunciation of his name. He did not put up a fight over it, however.
"You can call me Barry," Obama said.
During the introduction, Boss and Chandoo were eager to let me know that Obama was a graduate of the prestigious Punahou Academy, an elite prep school in Honolulu. I vividly remember that Chandoo was intensely proud of Obama's ties to Punahou. This prestige, however, was wasted on me. I had never heard of the school and did not have a clue about what it meant to be one of its graduates. Obama seemed embarrassed by the fuss. Boss, I remember, wanted to make sure I understood that young Obama was not merely an attractive socialite dabbling in Marxist theory. "You've worked with us," she observed. "You've been at our DSA meetings. You've been active in the anti-apartheid movement."
After a while, all six of us -- the four students and Boss' adoptive parents -- drove in two cars to a local restaurant. The owner knew Boss's father. The food was delicious, the setting spectacularly "California casual," with tall redwood trees all around. At the restaurant, we six continued our talk. Chandoo was quiet, less forceful, and deferential to Obama. Obama was polite to Boss's parents, calm, and distinguished in his manner. Mr. Boss disapproved of his daughter's radical perspective and could barely disguise his contempt for me.
Despite the recent election of Ronald Reagan, the focus of our discussion was on El Salvador and Latin America. I remember I was especially angry about what was happening in El Salvador, particularly the recent rape and murder of four American nuns and a laywoman. We also discussed the recent assassination of John Lennon in New York City. After lunch, the entourage returned to the Boss's home in Portola Valley. Mr. Boss, a gruff Swiss-born businessman, was an aficionado of luxury cars who took pride in his successes in the greeting card and display case businesses.
"That's an impressive car. Which one of you is the owner?" he asked.
"It's mine," said Chandoo, graciously adding: "Would you like to see it?"
While Chandoo and Mr. Boss gave Chandoo's luxury car a once over, the rest of us engaged in small talk until Chandoo returned. Chandoo beamed smugly, having impressed Boss's father with his expensive car. Inside the house, Mrs. Boss prepared snacks for everyone. All four of the students lit up after-dinner cigarettes in the dining room of the Boss's home. Caroline Boss sat at the head of the table to my left. Obama sat directly across from me. Chandoo sat on the other side of the table on Obama's left. Naturally, our conversation gravitated towards the coming revolution. I expected that my undergraduate friends would be interested in hearing my latest take on contemporary Marxist thought. I was in for quite a bit of a shock.
My graduate studies that fall had tempered my earlier Marxism with a more realistic perspective. I thought a revolution was not in the cards anymore. There was no inevitability, in my mind, to the old idea that the proletariat would rise up and overthrow the ruling classes. Now, the idea that we could entirely eliminate the profit motive from an advanced industrialized economy seemed like a childhood fantasy. The future, I now thought, would belong to nations with mixed economic systems -- like those in Europe -- where there was government planning of the economy combined with a greater effort to produce a more equitable distribution of wealth. It made more sense to me to focus on elections rather than on preparing for a coming revolution.
Boss and Obama, however, had a starkly different view. They believed that the economic stresses of the Carter years meant revolution was still imminent. The election of Reagan was simply a minor set-back in terms of the coming revolution. As I recall, Obama repeatedly used the phrase "When the revolution comes...." In my mind, I remember thinking that Obama was blindly sticking to the simple Marxist theory that had characterized my own views while I was an undergraduate at Occidental College. "There's going to be a revolution," Obama said, "we need to be organized and grow the movement." In Obama's view, our role must be to educate others so that we might usher in more quickly this inevitable revolution.
I know this may be implausible to some readers, but I distinctly remember Obama surprising me by bringing up Frantz Fanon and colonialism. He impressed me with his knowledge of these two topics, topics which were not among my strong points -- or of overwhelming concern to me. Boss and Obama seemed to think their ideological purity was a persuasive argument in predicting that a coming revolution would end capitalism. While I felt I was doing them a favor by providing them with the latest research, I saw I was in danger of being cast as a reactionary who did not grasp the nuances of international Marxist theory.
Chandoo let Boss and Obama take the crux of the argument to me. Chandoo, in fact, seemed chagrined by the level of disagreement in the group. I cannot remember him making any significant comments during this discussion.
Drawing on the history of Western Europe, I responded it was unrealistic to think the working class would ever overthrow the capitalist system. As I recall, Obama reacted negatively to my critique, saying: "That's crazy!"
Since Boss and Obama had injected theory into our debate, I reacted by going historical. As best I can recreate the argument, I responded by critiquing their perspective with the fresh insight I had gained from my recent reading of Barrington Moore's book, Social Origins of Dictatorship and Democracy (1966). Moore had argued that a Russian or Chinese style revolution -- leading to communism -- was only possible in an agrarian society with a weak or non-existent middle-class or bourgeoisie.
Since I was a Marxist myself at the time, and had studied variations in Marxist theory, I can state that everything I heard Obama argue that evening was consistent with Marxist philosophy, including the ideas that class struggle was leading to an inevitable revolution and that an elite group of revolutionaries was needed to lead the effort. If he had not been a true Marxist-Leninist, I would have noticed and remembered. I can still, with some degree of ideological precision, identify which students at Occidental College were radicals and which ones were not. I can do the same thing for the Occidental College professors at that time.
By the time the debate came to an end, Obama -- although not Boss -- was making peace, agreeing with the facts I had laid out, and demonstrating an apparent agreement with my more realistic perspective. I have a vivid memory of Obama surrendering to my argument including signaling to the somewhat bewildered Chandoo -- through his voice and body language -- that the argument had concluded and had been decided in my favor. Around 9 p.m., Chandoo and Obama left for another appointment, either in Palo Alto or San Francisco. In retrospect, Obama had proved to me that he was indeed, as Boss had promised, "on our side."
Long before I realized Obama had grown into a spectacular political career, I have treasured this particular memory as an early example of my own intellectual growth and an early sign of my modest promise as a teacher. At the time, I had the impression that I might have been one of the first to directly challenge Obama's Marxist-Leninist mind-set and to introduce him to a more practical view that saw politics, rather than revolution, as the preferred route to socialism. Had I really persuaded him, or was he just making nice to smooth things over with a new friend? I'd like to think it was the former.
Whatever progress I made with Obama that evening, the price of our debate was a greater ideological wedge between me and Boss and a further decline in our rocky relationship. Our relationship would officially end in February and then flicker out completely by June 1981 -- much to the satisfaction of Boss's father.
I remember that Obama was friendly to me on at least three other occasions over the next several months. For example, Boss and I visited the apartment he shared with Chandoo. I spoke with him again on campus in the student union. I saw him on campus in The Cooler -- the school's coffee and sandwich shop. I also spoke with him at large party in June 1981. I certainly considered him a friend, a confidant and a political ally in the larger struggle against poverty and oppressive social systems.
Whatever impact our encounter might have had on him, I know something about what Barack Obama believed in 1980. At that time, the future president was a doctrinaire Marxist revolutionary, although perhaps -- for the first time -- considering conventional politics as a more practical road to socialism. Knowing this, I think I have a responsibility to place on the public record my account of this incident from our president's past.
John C. Drew, Ph.D. is an award-winning political scientist and a blogger at David Horowitz's NewsReal Blog . Dr. Drew earned his Ph.D. from Cornell and has taught political science and economics at Williams College. Today, Dr. Drew makes his living as an author, trainer, and consultant in the field of non-profit grant writing, fund raising and program evaluation. To book Dr. Drew for your event, please go here.
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even you have to admit that winning the presidency is no easy feat, especially when you have to hide your true evil intentions
LOL you're joking right? The majority of his base is delusional and ignorant. Getting 95% of the black vote, having every media outlet except Fox kiss your ass and prop you up as a superhero, being the recipient of undeserved praise and admiration from white guilt ridden liberals- easily impressionable college students- gays and aging hippies- the poor- the uneducated- the ivy league holier than thou types and all stripes in between that hate what America is and what America stands for gave Obama a head start. Toss in the fact that the economy began to unravel, Bush left office with record low approval ratings after 8 years in office and it was EXTREMELY easy for Obama to win election. The only hard part was dethroning Hillary; which was only done through dirty tricks and the elders of the liberal agenda turning their backs on the Clinton's.
As far as hiding his evil intentions-- he has done nothing of the such. He is a pathological liar and political chameleon. His senate voting record was more liberal than self proclaimed socialist Bernie Sanders. He said exactly what he was going to do and save some national security necessities such as keeping Gitmo open, he has done exactly what he promised. The only things that he lied about ( or overplayed his hand on) was transparency, changing the culture of DC, unifying the country and caring about the will of the American people. The only idiots buying his garbage in 2008 and now are the naive and delusional.
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I see you have nothing
as I expected
why don't you bump either thread or whatever it is you're referring to and read it again
I'm still waiting for a few simple answers from 333
what did we do to his father?
What are the other reason why he wants to "collapse" our country (is the only other reason that he hates our country?)
what does Obama get out of a post collapsed America?
Pick up a book and read stupid. Or better yet go through the threads 333 and I have posted concerning this topic. We are not going to re-explain it for someone who is either to stupid or lazy (probably both) to do his homework. Do you want us to think for you as well?
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Staw - read the Dr. Drew article I posted. Read it carefully. Read it twice and get it through your head. That is who he is. that is who D Soza said he was. That is who his associations say he is. That is who his crazy policies say who he is.
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Straw - go read D Souzas book. I explained it many times. And the iterview posted is from a guy whohung out with Obama and said he called himself a marxist and referred to America as "The enemy". But oh yeah, you know different.
I asked you a few simple questions
What the problem in giving me some answers?
Since when are you so shy?
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I asked you a few simple questions
What the problem in giving me some answers?
Since when are you so shy?
Straw - I have answered the same question from you dozens of times. The problem is that you choose not to accept the answers.
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STRAW - THIS UY KNEW OBAMA AND SAID OBAMA REFERED TO THE USA AS "THE ENEMY"
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You have the evil part right-- the genius, not so much. If he was that brilliant 333, myself and about 200 million other people wouldn't have picked up on it in less than 2 years. It's not that amazing or astounding or interesting except to morons such as yourself.
you guys are amazing...you say Obama is no genius yet was able to become president of the most powerful nation ever on the face of the earth..and push through an agenda which, whether you like it or not, no other president has been able to do.....Obama has more legislative success than any president in recent memory and has been in office only two years.....you and 3333 are upset that he is kicking you guys asses with more ass-kickings to come!!!
DEAL WITH IT
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yeah but give him credit
he's only motivated by personal revenge for his father yet he had to convince the majority of voters that he has some other movitivation.
Once he got in office (the necessary requirement to fulfill his evil plan) he could have taken the fast road to "collapse" by not bailing out the auto companies, not bailing out global banking system, not attempting a stimulus program, not extending unemployment benefits etc..
btw - I have a few questions about Obama's true agenda
What did the US do to his father again?
What's in it for Obama (other then revenge of course) in a post collapsed America. Doesn't he and his family and friends still have to live here?
Is he so blinded by revenge that he's forgotten he and his family and friends will have to live in a "post collapsed" America?
Very nice post...this is an all-time keeper....you are one of the few who actually get it :)
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Being branded "the most evil man on the planet" didn't stop Hitler, Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot from doing their thing. ::)
Arguing with Straw Man is the biggest waste of time on this board. I have never seen this guy admit he was wrong or mistaken, even when you type of 5 pages of evidence proving that he's talking out of his ass (Hi George Washington and the post office). He's the very definition of a sheep.
OH MY GOD!!!..LOOK WHO IS TALKING...you must have been looking in the mirror while typing this..your hypocrisy is amazing...and the crazy part is you don't even see your hypocrisy..INCREDIBLE
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Again Straw - and I am attacked even on FR for saying this - I blame GWB in part for Obama. Needless to say, here is how Obama got elected:
1. 95% of blacks came out in record numbers to support the first black guy.
2. People were sick of GWB, including any Repubs, and stayed home in protest.
3. MSM kneepadding of historic levels during the primaries. By all rational measures, Hillary was far more qualified and deserving of the spot.
4. Young people, mostly uneducated and uninformed dolts of the MTV/VH1/AI Generation, voted for the cool black guy that sounded nice over the evil old white guy who reminded them of gramps.
5. Timing. Between the crash of the market, the bad mccain campaign, the bush fatigue, almost any Demwas alost a sure lock. Hillary probably would have had even a larger victory if she were the nominee.
6. Hispanics votd for the first minority too for obvious reasons. most minorities are ems for no other reason than race. Sad but true.
7. Obama lies that the msm refused to investigate and allowed with a wink wink. Had McCain had a David Duke relationship like Bama had with Wright, McCain would never have made it out of the primary.
And on and on.
you always assume that blacks vote for blacks simply because they are black.....what happened to Carol Mosely- Braun in chicago???
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you guys are amazing...you say Obama is no genius yet was able to become president of the most powerful nation ever on the face of the earth..ad push through an agenda which, whether you like it or not, no other president has been able to do.....Obama has more legislative success than any president in recent memory and has been in office only two years.....you and 3333 are upset that he is kicking you guys asses with more ass-kickings to come!!!
DEAL WITH IT
Signing pos bills given to him by communists like pelosi is no success.
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you guys are amazing...you say Obama is no genius yet was able to become president of the most powerful nation ever on the face of the earth..ad push through an agenda which, whether you like it or not, no other president has been able to do.....Obama has more legislative success than any president in recent memory and has been in office only two years.....you and 3333 are upset that he is kicking you guys asses with more ass-kickings to come!!!
DEAL WITH IT
Obama is an idiot. You are an idiot. His agenda was only pushed through because his fellow anti American idiots had the majority of Congress. His legislative "achievements" have been declared unconstitutional and his reign of terror is almost over. What recent memory of anything presidential is inside of that walnut sized brain of yours? I would bet any amount of money (or in your case food stamps) that you only started following politics when President Osama was elected. The only positive thing about the Osama presidency that you could coherently communicate with 100% of your brain is that Obama is black. Case closed. The democratic party is on the verge of irrelevancy. The only ass kicking that has taken place since the affirmative action incompetent took office was the 2010 midterm elections where Republicans basically eliminated the left from state legislatures and from the U.S. Congress.
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OH MY GOD!!!..LOOK WHO IS TALKING...you must have been looking in the mirror while typing this..your hypocrisy is amazing...and the crazy part is you don't even see your hypocrisy..INCREDIBLE
Eight days later and you still refuse to refute anything because you don't know dick about the goings on in the Middle East. Your entire "irrefutable" argument revolves around John Boehner (hahaha) and your claim that Obama is well involved in "back-room dealings". Of course you can't provide a single example of these "back-room dealings" but it's not like facts have ever stopped morons like yourself before. Nice meltdown, by the way.
After two dozen posts attacking me you still won't refute a single point. Case closed. :)
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Signing pos bills given to him by communists like pelosi is no success.
WOW..now you are even stating Nancy Pelosi is the true achitect of Obama's legislative success...you are reaching really low now..you and I both know all of Obama's initiative have come from his campaign promises...you know that...
YOU CONTINUE TO BECOME A BIGGER AND BIGGER JOKE
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andreisdadouche appears to be heading towards suicide watch. You notice this guy, much like a lot of the far-left clowns on here, can't actually refute anything and instead has to sling personal insult after personal insult.
Looks like GW's post was spot on.
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Obama is an idiot. You are an idiot. His agenda was only pushed through because his fellow anti American idiots had the majority of Congress. His legislative "achievements" have been declared unconstitutional and his reign of terror is almost over. What recent memory of anything presidential is inside of that walnut sized brain of yours? I would bet any amount of money (or in your case food stamps) that you only started following politics when President Osama was elected. The only positive thing about the Osama presidency that you could coherently communicate with 100% of your brain is that Obama is black. Case closed. The democratic party is on the verge of irrelevancy. The only ass kicking that has taken place since the affirmative action incompetent took office was the 2010 midterm elections where Republicans basically eliminated the left from state legislatures and from the U.S. Congress.
I love it when you and 3333 talk this way...it affirms your own racism and accelerates your lost credibility
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Eight days later and you still refuse to refute anything because you don't know dick about the goings on in the Middle East. Your entire "irrefutable" argument revolves around John Boehner (hahaha) and your claim that Obama is well involved in "back-room dealings". Of course you can't provide a single example of these "back-room dealings" but it's not like facts have ever stopped morons like yourself before. Nice meltdown, by the way.
After two dozen posts attacking me you still won't refute a single point. Case closed. :)
no need to ever attack you..your posts speak for themselves...case closed
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Two dozen +1 one posts.
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no need to ever attack you..your posts speak for themselves...case closed
Andre - do you believe Dr. Drew is a liar?
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Andre - do you believe Dr. Drew is a liar?
I BELEIVE YOU ARE
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I BELEIVE YOU ARE
Fine - do you believe Dr. Drew is a liar?
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Straw - I have answered the same question from you dozens of times. The problem is that you choose not to accept the answers.
I don't recall you answering the questions I've asked in this thread but if someone else has asked and you have answered then what's the problem with answering them again for me.
I don't care about anyone else's opinion so stop posting videos and article and simply answer the questions yourself.
Let's review what we already know.
You believe Obama is trying to collapse the nation
the reaons you believe he is doing this is for revenge for what our country did to his father and becasue he hates our country
Here are my questions. I want your opinion so just read the questions and type your answer:
1. What did we do to his father ?
2. Are there any other reasons why he wants to collapse the nation other than the two reasons listed above ?
3. What does Obama get out of a post collapsed America (other than revenge as has been previously mentioned)?
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STRAW - THIS UY KNEW OBAMA AND SAID OBAMA REFERED TO THE USA AS "THE ENEMY"
BUMP - DOES ANYONE THINK DREW IS LYING HERE?
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BUMP - DOES ANYONE THINK DREW IS LYING HERE?
I haven't bothered to watch the videos or any other content you've posted
I'm only interested in your opinions on the questions I've posted
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I don't recall you answering the questions I've asked in this thread but if someone else has asked and you have answered then what's the problem with answering them again for me.
I don't care about anyone else's opinion so stop posting videos and article and simply answer the questions yourself.
Let's review what we already know.
You believe Obama is trying to collapse the nation
the reaons you believe he is doing this is for revenge for what our country did to his father and becasue he hates our country
Here are my questions. I want your opinion so just read the questions and type your answer:
1. What did we do to his father ?
2. Are there any other reasons why he wants to collapse the nation other than the two reasons listed above ?
3. What does Obama get out of a post collapsed America (other than revenge as has been previously mentioned)?
1. His father was a marxist and a communist who went to Harvard. His father was a womanizing drunk piece of shit who tried and failed to impose communism in in Kenya. Obama Senior blamed the Brits for his failures as well as a variety of other CT's. Obama's grandfather was also a communistwho introduced him to a mentor named Frank Marshall Davis, another rabid communist. From early on Obama was taught about the evils of america, evils of capiatalism, colonialism, etc. Obama bought into all that crap from early on and ran with it. He has blamed the UK and the USA's economic system of fundamental unfairness and has said so many times. He viewed the father as a victim of colonialism at the hand of the evil whites, etc. That is my take.
2. He ants to collapse te system because he is a revolutionary marxist like Dr. Dre says Obama told him. Its only if wehave a complete collapse that communism can be implmented.
3. Obama gets satisfaction, not monetarily, but historically, that he can tak credit for it.
BTW - listen to the Drew interview. this is not a bomb hrower, but a college professor who knows obama personally.
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1. His father was a marxist and a communist who went to Harvard. His father was a womanizing drunk piece of shit who tried and failed to impose communism in in Kenya. Obama Senior blamed the Brits for his failures as well as a variety of other CT's. Obama's grandfather was also a communistwho introduced him to a mentor named Frank Marshall Davis, another rabid communist. From early on Obama was taught about the evils of america, evils of capiatalism, colonialism, etc. Obama bought into all that crap from early on and ran with it. He has blamed the UK and the USA's economic system of fundamental unfairness and has said so many times. He viewed the father as a victim of colonialism at the hand of the evil whites, etc. That is my take.
2. He ants to collapse te system because he is a revolutionary marxist like Dr. Dre says Obama told him. Its only if wehave a complete collapse that communism can be implmented.
3. Obama gets satisfaction, not monetarily, but historically, that he can tak credit for it.
BTW - listen to the Drew interview. this is not a bomb hrower, but a college professor who knows obama personally.
was that so hard?
why didn't you just give your own answers to begin with
I guess from the answers above you believe Obama intent is collapse America but how does that lead to Communism?
Do you think Obama intends to impose himself as a communist dictator? If so, how?
Can you flesh out the collapse and then the transfer of our government over to Communism (again - no videos or articles - I just want your opinions)
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was that so hard?
why didn't you just give your own answers to begin with
I guess from the answers above you believe Obama intent is collapse America but how does that lead to Communism?
Do you think Obama intends to impose himself as a communist dictator? If so, how?
Can you flesh out the collapse and then the transfer of our government over to Communism (again - no videos or articles - I just want your opinions)
Its a gamble Straw. He knows they can't get communism if the economy is roaring and everyone is fat and happy and working.
and I also don't think bama views this as an event so much as a process.
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Its a gamble Straw. He knows they can't get communism if the economy is roaring and everyone is fat and happy and working.
and I also don't think bama views this as an event so much as a process.
wouldn't the collapse have happened faster if we didn't bail out the banks, auto companies, do stimulus, extend unemployment benefits, give people healthcare etc..
let's be realistic (and I'm sure Obama knows this, it's his plan afterall) he may only have one term to collapse the country so why do all these things that appear to have actually helped the country. Isn't that counter productive to his plan
I still don't understand how we move from our current form of democracy to communism or what role or benefit (other than the claim of revenge) that Obama get's out of destroying the country he's been elected to run.
Can you expand on that a bit
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He didnt give health care to anyone.
He is forcing millions on welfare andcalling that healthcare.
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He didnt give health care to anyone.
He is forcing millions on welfare andcalling that healthcare.
he forcing millions onto welfare?
ok - well if you say so
now how about the questions I asked
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I told you I want your opinion
I don't care about videos or other third party sources
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I told you I want your opinion
I don't care about videos or other third party sources
Watch the Drew interview. He puts it much mre eloquently than i can and knows obama personally. Nothing he says, BASED ON HIS DISCUSSIONS WITH OBAMA HIMSELF, is nothing that far from anything else I have said.
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Watch the Drew interview. He puts it much mre eloquently than i can and knows obama personally. Nothing he says, BASED ON HIS DISCUSSIONS WITH OBAMA HIMSELF, is nothing that far from anything else I have said.
no thanks
I'm not interested his opinion
hopefully you can muster up the eloquence that you think you need to to answer the questions
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no thanks
I'm not interested his opinion
hopefully you can muster up the eloquence that you think you need to to answer the questions
You know my opinion.
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You know my opinion.
I know some of it but not all of it
if you don't want to answer or don't have an opinion that's ok too
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I know some of it but not all of it
if you don't want to answer or don't have an opinion that's ok too
I do, but am not in the mood to type it all out. By the way - have you ever seen this?
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I do, but am not in the mood to type it all out. By the way - have you ever seen this?
I rarely watch any of your videos
You've got almost 50,000 posts so I'm not buying it that you can't be bothered to type a few sentences
why don't you just take a few seconds to flesh out this collapse and subsequent transfer from democracy to communism and whether you think Obama intends to install himself a communist dictator
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I almost never watch any of your videos
You've got almost 50,000 posts so I'm not buying it that you can't be bothered to type a few sentences
why don't you just take a few seconds to flesh out this collapse and subsequent transfer from democracy to communism and whether you think Obama intends to install himself a communist dictator
I think Obama plans on going global after he is out office to make $ $ $ by giving speeches. However, he is doing what he has to now to set the wheels in motion for collapse and has been doing so from Day 1.
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I think Obama plans on going global after he is out office to make $ $ $ by giving speeches. However, he is doing what he has to now to set the wheels in motion for collapse and has been doing so from Day 1.
sounds like what every other POTUS does (and half term governors too)
what kind of communist does that and why would a communist country (you know - post collapsed America) allow him to do that?
how about the collapse and transfer to communism
how do you see that happening again?
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sounds like what every other POTUS does (and half term governors too)
what kind of communist does that and why would a communist country (you know - post collapsed America) allow him to do that?
how about the collapse and transfer to communism
how do you see that happening again?
I don't think its set in stone and truly believe the Mid Term elections helped out as well as the fact that theTea Partie arose and stopped Cap & Trade, Card Check, and shed a lot of light on all his crazy schemes.
I remember like it was yesterday me down in Foley Square Dec. 2009 protesting Obama's decision to try KSM in NYC. Things like this have shed a lot of light on the horrific nature of this beast you shill for. I thnk thathe was expecting to get everything he wanted which would have sped up the collapse and transition.
I think that he never imagned the counter revolution of the middle class in this nation rebeling against his suicidal agenda. Of course there are people like yourself who will applaude anything and everything he does, but overall, the gun owning, tax paying, hard working people of this country who pay the bills have woken up and are on to his false promises and lies.
As for being a dictator - I believe eventually, and you can hold me to this, he, or others, will try to install him as head of the UN or some other global anti-american org, and he will gladly accept.
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I don't think its set in stone and truly believe the Mid Term elections helped out as well as the fact that theTea Partie arose and stopped Cap & Trade, Card Check, and shed a lot of light on all his crazy schemes.
I remember like it was yesterday me down in Foley Square Dec. 2009 protesting Obama's decision to try KSM in NYC. Things like this have shed a lot of light on the horrific nature of this beast you shill for. I thnk thathe was expecting to get everything he wanted which would have sped up the collapse and transition.
I think that he never imagned the counter revolution of the middle class in this nation rebeling against his suicidal agenda. Of course there are people like yourself who will applaude anything and everything he does, but overall, the gun owning, tax paying, hard working people of this country who pay the bills have woken up and are on to his false promises and lies.
As for being a dictator - I believe eventually, and you can hold me to this, he, or others, will try to install him as head of the UN or some other global anti-american org, and he will gladly accept.
the Secretary-General of the UN is not a dictator nor a communist so why would Obama want to do that?
how about the transfer from democracy to communism. isn't that Obama's main goal.
You still haven't explained how we go from democracy to communism or even how the "collapse" happens or what it looks like
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the Secretary-General of the UN is not a dictator nor a communist so why would Obama want to do that?
how about the transfer from democracy to communism. isn't that Obama's main goal.
You still haven't explained how we go from democracy to communism or even how the "collapse" happens or what it looks like
I don't think they know what it looks like either. However, Obama is a fan of Cloward and Piven, so that gives a good idea of what is envisioned.
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I don't think they know what it looks like either. However, Obama is a fan of Cloward and Piven, so that gives a good idea of what is envisioned.
and what is that?
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and what is that?
Are you serious? After all this time you dont know who Cloward & Piven are?
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Are you serious? After all this time you dont know who Cloward & Piven are?
I don't know what you're referring to when you wrote
so that gives a good idea of what is envisioned.
what is "envisioned"?
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Straws attempts to be condescending have blown up in his face because 333 can actually back up his opinion with factual data and information from credible sources. Another FAIL thread for Straw-- one in a long line of many.
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Straws attempts to be condescending have blown up in his face because 333 can actually back up his opinion with factual data and information from credible sources. Another FAIL thread for Straw-- one in a long line of many.
how am I being condescending?
333 and I are having a totally polite conversation so why do you stay out unless you have something relevent to offer
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I do, but am not in the mood to type it all out. By the way - have you ever seen this?
Guys go directly to 1:17:00 in this video.
Case closed.
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I don't know what you're referring to when you wrote
what is "envisioned"?
Its a strategy of overwhelming the system by creating impossible demands and promises that eventually lead to collapse so that you can achieve your true intent that you could not get unless the collapse in fact took place.
I believe this is what is going on with ObamaCare and the out of control spending.
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how am I being condescending?
333 and I are having a totally polite conversation so why do you stay out unless you have something relevent to offer
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Its a strategy of overwhelming the system by creating impossible demands and promises that eventually lead to collapse so that you can achieve your true intent that you could not get unless the collapse in fact took place.
I believe this is what is going on with ObamaCare and the out of control spending.
only problem is the health care legislation will lower the deficit (according to the CBO) so how's that going to collapse the system
if he really wanted to overwhelm the system why not just let the shit storm that Bush created takes it's course
he could have just let all the banks fail and the auto companies go under and let unemployment rise to 25% or more and he would have been much further along on his secret communist agenda
along with that he could have bombed Iran and started yet another war on borrower money with no end in site
If he had done all that we might already be communists by now
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Oh please. obamaCare is shifting 16 Million on to medicaid which will completely bankrupt the state coffers, who pick up 50% of the medicaid tab.
Obama's strategy is to collapse the state govts, collapse the insuranc companies, and eventually have everyone begging for single ayor ince the whole health care system implodes.
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The goal of the NWO is to abolish distinctions between States and Country's and push toward a one world government. A strong federal government with no state rights is the key-- this can be done by crippling the finances of the individual states so that they are forced to latch onto the Fed. The Fed will then condition monetary contributions on the states relinquishing their independence.
Now that I've put part of the Obama agenda in whacked out CT terms, can you grasp the concept Straw?
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The goal of the NWO is to abolish distinctions between States and Country's and push toward a one world government. A strong federal government with no state rights is the key-- this can be done by crippling the finances of the individual states so that they are forced to latch onto the Fed. The Fed will then condition monetary contributions on the states relinquishing their independence.
Now that I've put part of the Obama agenda in whacked out CT terms, can you grasp the concept Straw?
The reason the States are all up in arms over ObamaCare is the medicade component. States pick up 50% of medicade and obamacare toss 16 million on to that at a time when states are already broke.
This was a classic Obamadoff scam pulled on the public, that of course people like Straw never consider.
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The goal of the NWO is to abolish distinctions between States and Country's and push toward a one world government. A strong federal government with no state rights is the key-- this can be done by crippling the finances of the individual states so that they are forced to latch onto the Fed. The Fed will then condition monetary contributions on the states relinquishing their independence.
Now that I've put part of the Obama agenda in whacked out CT terms, can you grasp the concept Straw?
so you believe Obama is trying to intentionally "collapse" the country too or is your CT more benign and he's just incompetent?
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My opinion oscillates between viewing him in three separate ways. (1) He is an empty suit and opportunistic slimeball politician who is in way over his head
(2) He is a pathetically delusional and intellectually bankrupt cookie cutter version of a typical 1960's anti colonialist/ left wing extremist who is trying to "change the world for the better" by leaving America in much worse shape than he found it, all in the name of equality. (3) He is part of a global conspiracy to destroy America with evil and insidious unseen forces guiding his hand
Some days its 1, others its 3-- but most of the time i feel its 2.
In any event, whether all or none of my judgments are correct is irrelevant. The bottom line is that he is a disaster for both America and the world.