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Sources close to the Russian say he is giving serious consideration to the prospect of fighting newly crowned Dan Henderson at 205 pounds.
The prospect of the fight was put to him by Strikeforce before the weekend’s Henderson/Feijao showdown.
Negotiations are underway and - if past experience is anything to go by - are likely to go on for some time. But the fight is of interest to all parties and is likely to happen later this year.
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He should drop to 205.
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Has he ever fought at 205? Curious to see if the lighter weight puts some pep back in his step.
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He got by as a heavy weight by beating a bunch of cans that had weak MMA experience. Lightheavy is a much deeper weightclass with a lot more talent. He will get absolutely mauled. Of course, we are talking Strikeforce, so the competition is still a bunch of cans.
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He got by as a heavy weight by beating a bunch of cans that had weak MMA experience. Lightheavy is a much deeper weightclass with a lot more talent. He will get absolutely mauled. Of course, we are talking Strikeforce, so the competition is still a bunch of cans.
right a smaller guy that dominated bigger guys for years would get "absolutely mauled" ::)
other than randy with his "great" wins over mike van arsdale and brandon vera who else do you think has the better resume?
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Hendo would be a perfect match-up for Fedor....
He's a washed up 40-yr old man with a hard right that just beat a can himself for that "coveted" belt.
No disrespect to Hendo, but the guy has never evolved and has some hard miles on that 40-yr old body.
A "big name" past his prime....perfect for Fedor and his management.
Seriously, it's a decent match-up, but 4 or 5 years too late.
Henderson is not quite can status, so I doubt Fedor will take the fight.
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Hendo would be a perfect match-up for Fedor....
He's a washed up 40-yr old man with a hard right that just beat a can himself for that "coveted" belt.
No disrespect to Hendo, but the guy has never evolved and has some hard miles on that 40-yr old body.
A "big name" past his prime....perfect for Fedor and his management.
Seriously, it's a decent match-up, but 4 or 5 years too late.
Henderson is not quite can status, so I doubt Fedor will take the fight.
Lol
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He got by as a heavy weight by beating a bunch of cans that had weak MMA experience. Lightheavy is a much deeper weightclass with a lot more talent. He will get absolutely mauled. Of course, we are talking Strikeforce, so the competition is still a bunch of cans.
I think that it's only been as of late that fedor fought cans. I do agree with you that the LHW div is so weak in strikeforce though. Henderson as champ? Please. He would get demolished at that division in UFC.
I just wonder how the speed of a LHW would affect fedor.
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He got by as a heavy weight by beating a bunch of cans that had weak MMA experience. Lightheavy is a much deeper weightclass with a lot more talent. He will get absolutely mauled. Of course, we are talking Strikeforce, so the competition is still a bunch of cans.
Once again i wonder how it is you became a moderator on this board. As i stated i do not like to participate in online confrontation however MMA is something i have had a deep interest in since the 80's, long before the UFC had its first event. For you to state that shows that you are foolish and new to the sport, most likely through the heavy promotion Dana has made since taking charge which, whilst great for its evolution, brings people like you into the equation.
Fedor is not in my top 10 for favourite fighters however denying the mans ability is as good as stating that a 48K Spectrum outperforms a PS3, or so you can understand - Captain Caveman can kick Superman's ass.
You are blinded by the product you have come to adore, brainwashed into believing that there is no real talent outside of the UFC and show post after post that you know absolutely nothing about the history of the sport or have any understanding as to how to actually rate people's abilities.
I have no doubt that he is over the hill and will never again hold a dominant position in the rankings but at his absolute best he was simply better than everyone else, and would have been the same at LHW. His speed at 230 was frightening, can you imagine it at 205? Oh sorry silly question, dont kill a brain cell thinking about it as your other 2 will forever be lost and alone...........
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Once again i wonder how it is you became a moderator on this board. As i stated i do not like to participate in online confrontation however MMA is something i have had a deep interest in since the 80's, long before the UFC had its first event. For you to state that shows that you are foolish and new to the sport, most likely through the heavy promotion Dana has made since taking charge which, whilst great for its evolution, brings people like you into the equation.
Fedor is not in my top 10 for favourite fighters however denying the mans ability is as good as stating that a 48K Spectrum outperforms a PS3, or so you can understand - Captain Caveman can kick Superman's ass.
You are blinded by the product you have come to adore, brainwashed into believing that there is no real talent outside of the UFC and show post after post that you know absolutely nothing about the history of the sport or have any understanding as to how to actually rate people's abilities.
I have no doubt that he is over the hill and will never again hold a dominant position in the rankings but at his absolute best he was simply better than everyone else, and would have been the same at LHW. His speed at 230 was frightening, can you imagine it at 205? Oh sorry silly question, dont kill a brain cell thinking about it as your other 2 will forever be lost and alone...........
You are making a bunch of assumptions about me, and they are wrong. I stand by what I said. Fedor was a dominant heavy weight. I have already stated that numerous times. But, all of us are in agreement, that the heavyweight division has for many years been the weakest of all the divisions. During the Pride days, the best talent in terms of well rounded skills, experience, athletic ability, etc. was in the lower weight classes. And of course, once the UFC got up and running, the heavyweight division remained a complete joke. Even today, most of the truly talented fighters are IMO at 155, 170 & 205.
Fedor reigned over a division that was weak in talent. He was able to use his smaller size/speed, to beat a lot of guys that were big, slow and lacked skills. The exceptions are Nog & Crocop.
So, fast forward to today. Fedor has dropped 2 in a row. Is it because he is past his prime? I don't think so. He lost to Werdum because he made a technical mistake. He was dominated by Big Foot, because he went up against a bigger man with better skills. He now knows that the days of beating clumsy big guys are over. So, now he wants to drop to 205. Guess what, probably a great idea since Strikeforce has a pathetic 205 division. He will once again be doing what he does best...crushing cans.
If, however, he went to 205 in the UFC, he would be absolutely demolished by guys like, Jones, Rashad, Machida, Rua, etc. The speed he once enjoyed against slow and unskilled heavyweights would no longer be an advantage. He would now be up against some of the best P4P fighters in the game.
I know all you old Pride fanboys have a really hard time accepting that MMA today is better and today's fighters are light years ahead of the old guys. But, it is what it is. Just let go and embrace the new era.
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the great Fedor got old and his best are behind him, we all knew that would happen because it happens to everybody, some people just couldn't wait to call him "overrated" for proving to be human and because they hate anything that isn't dana's product
pride is not dead as long as rua and overeem are at the top of their weight classes, they too will some day be old and not the fighters they once were, much like ufc guys like liddell and hughes
pride will always be the greatest fighting organization we have ever seen, every event felt so epic
ufc had that cool underground cult like image before tuf, now it just seems like a more legit wwe that appeals to insecure wannabe tough guys
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I think that it's only been as of late that fedor fought cans. I do agree with you that the LHW div is so weak in strikeforce though. Henderson as champ? Please. He would get demolished at that division in UFC.
I just wonder how the speed of a LHW would affect fedor.
It's really funny to me that a lot of media is glamorizing his win over Cavalcante like he just beat a superstar. It was kind of crazy to me to see how Henderson was able to pull off that victory with a cocked right hand the whole fight. When it got to the ground he just stalled. It reminded me a lot of a 2005 Chuck Liddell. Henderson has accomplished alot as a fighter and he was smart for riding out his career in Strikeforce where his style is still relevant and can make him the company superstar.
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the great Fedor got old and his best are behind him, we all knew that would happen because it happens to everybody, some people just couldn't wait to call him "overrated" for proving to be human and because they hate anything that isn't dana's product
pride is not dead as long as rua and overeem are at the top of their weight classes, they too will some day be old and not the fighters they once were, much like ufc guys like liddell and hughes
pride will always be the greatest fighting organization we have ever seen, every event felt so epic
ufc had that cool underground cult like image before tuf, now it just seems like a more legit wwe that appeals to insecure wannabe tough guys
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Fedor got old....He's only 34. His STYLE is what got old.
I can say Fedor was overrated because he dodged the top ranked guys for the past several years. He knew he would get smashed by the top ranked (UFC) HW's. His last two losses confirm this.
I enjoy the popularity of MMA/UFC. If it were kept as cult status, it most likely would have died.
The sport has grown much like the sports in the X games. They are no longer cult-like. Most people get past it and enjoy its popularity. Without it, it wouldn't survive.
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the great Fedor got old and his best are behind him, we all knew that would happen because it happens to everybody, some people just couldn't wait to call him "overrated" for proving to be human and because they hate anything that isn't dana's product
pride is not dead as long as rua and overeem are at the top of their weight classes, they too will some day be old and not the fighters they once were, much like ufc guys like liddell and hughes
pride will always be the greatest fighting organization we have ever seen, every event felt so epic
ufc had that cool underground cult like image before tuf, now it just seems like a more legit wwe that appeals to insecure wannabe tough guys
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Pride had fixed fights, just like the WWE. Listen to Bas Ruten's interview on the Rogan podcast. Enough said.
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I think if they're going to have fedor fighting @ 205 they need to give him someone a little bit easier than Hendo for his first fight there..
fedor has no experience cutting weight...
and the chance's of him doing it right the first time and not coming in drained are greater than if he's got at least a little experience doing it.
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I think if they're going to have fedor fighting @ 205 they need to give him someone a little bit easier than Hendo for his first fight there..
fedor has no experience cutting weight...
and the chance's of him doing it right the first time and not coming in drained are greater than if he's got at least a little experience doing it.
I agree.
Have him fight a King Mo or a Mousasi as a tune-up fight at LHW. Then, if he wins in convincing fashion, give him a title shot w Hendo.
Honestly, Fedor SHOULD destroy anyone in Strikeforce at LHW. The talent pool is awful.
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Sources close to the Russian say he is giving serious consideration to the prospect of fighting newly crowned Dan Henderson at 205 pounds.
The prospect of the fight was put to him by Strikeforce before the weekend’s Henderson/Feijao showdown.
Negotiations are underway and - if past experience is anything to go by - are likely to go on for some time. But the fight is of interest to all parties and is likely to happen later this year.
This is a mistake. Fedor should retire. If he wins all fights as a light-heavyweight, people like MindSpin will say they are cans or that Fedor wins by beating on smaller guys; if he loses, he will have been "exposed as too weak even for guys under 205 lbs". Fedor cannot win in the eyes of Zuffa zombies like MindSpin/WeightPSHR because they hate everything that isn't UFC.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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This is a mistake. Fedor should retire. If he wins all fights as a light-heavyweight, people like MindSpin will say they are cans or that Fedor wins by beating on smaller guys; if he loses, he will have been "exposed as too weak even for guys under 205 lbs". Fedor cannot win in the eyes of Zuffa zombies like MindSpin/WeightPSHR because they hate everything that isn't UFC.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You're right. He could win every fight at 205 in StrikeForce and I would still say he is fighting cans. If, however, he went to 205 in the UFC, I would have much more respect for him...even if he lost every fight.
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Dan has been on a roll with that right hand as of late.
(http://tkohub.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/dan-henderson-teeth.jpg)
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You're right. He could win every fight at 205 in StrikeForce and I would still say he is fighting cans. If, however, he went to 205 in the UFC, I would have much more respect for him...even if he lost every fight.
I think Shogun would be terrified fighting Fedor. He already said in an interview he considers Fedor the greatest pound-for-pound ever. He also said that you had to see Fedor fight in person to see how ridiculously great he is. But what does Shogun know, right? He is just the UFC light-heavyweight champion. He certainly doesen't know as much as an MMA internet board moderator.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Fedor would be fighting cans at 205 in strikeforce. But what's the point?
Personally, I think he gives it one more go at HW. He's had 2 loses. TWO! Get back on the horse and see what happens next. If he's catching Lindell-syndrome, then fine, retire. But the guy is mid 30's. Calling it quits at this point seems silly.
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If, however, he went to 205 in the UFC, he would be absolutely demolished
Yes, Fedor just went 1-1 on 2 rounds against a fighter who weights a lean 285 lbs, ate dozens of his punches straight to the jaw and remained conscious, and yet he would get "demolished" by guys under 205 lbs. For fuck sakes, man, do you have any idea how stupid you sound? Why the fuck do you pretend to be an MMA expert ??? ???
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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This is a mistake. Fedor should retire. If he wins all fights as a light-heavyweight, people like MindSpin will say they are cans or that Fedor wins by beating on smaller guys; if he loses, he will have been "exposed as too weak even for guys under 205 lbs". Fedor cannot win in the eyes of Zuffa zombies like MindSpin/WeightPSHR because they hate everything that isn't UFC.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
The reality of Strikeforce is that the entire org consists of UFC REJECTS, UFC DROPOUTS, and UFC WANNABE'S. Besides Overeem and DIaz, I can't name one guy that has enough talent to even put on a prelim fight in the UFC. Fedor and Hendo are just looking for easy payadays...can't blame them for that.
This doesn't mean I dislike Strikeforce...I just know what role they play in the MMA world.
Let's be frank here....Strikeforce is struggling, they can't even pull off an overhyped, fake ass tournament.
If you think Strikeforce is where every fighter wants to be....then why are the payouts so much greater in the UFC?
Truth is, if you aren't in the UFC, it's because they don't want you.
Afterall, these guys are fighting for money right? Why in the world would someone opt for smaller paydays and sponsorships?
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Yes, Fedor just went 1-1 on 2 rounds against a fighter who weights a lean 285 lbs, ate dozens of his punches straight to the jaw and remained conscious, and yet he would get "demolished" by guys under 205 lbs. For fuck sakes, man, do you have any idea how stupid you sound? Why the fuck do you pretend to be an MMA expert ??? ???
SUCKMYMUSCLE
::) I just listened to a discussion on the SRN, were the consensus was that Fedor at 205 in the UFC would get murdered. Mind you, most of these guys are anti-UFC...
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The reality of Strikeforce is that the entire org consists of UFC REJECTS, UFC DROPOUTS, and UFC WANNABE'S. Besides Overeem and DIaz, I can't name one guy that has enough talent to even put on a prelim fight in the UFC. Fedor and Hendo are just looking for easy payadays...can't blame them for that.
QFT.
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I just listened to a discussion on the SRN, were the consensus was that Fedor at 205 in the UFC would get murdered. Mind you, most of these guys are anti-UFC...
Yes, he goes 1-1 on 2 rounds against a well-rounded monster who weights a lean 285 lbs and yet he would get murdered by 205 lbs guys. You guys are fucking geniuses!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Yes, he goes 1-1 on 2 rounds against a well-rounded monster who weights a lean 285 lbs and yet he would get murdered by 205 lbs guys. You guys are fucking geniuses!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
That 285 lb guy was a 5-1 underdog that was not ranked in ANY top 10 poll at the time.
Fedor also got submitted/humiliated by a guy that weighs about the same as Fedor does.
What's your excuse now?
I agree, Fedor would get destroyed if he fought ANY of the top 10 ranked 205's.
Face it....Fedor is not really that talented in the modern day MMA Game. He can not change this.
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Second only to Chael,I see Mousasi matching up really well against Anderson.
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Second only to Chael,I see Mousasi matching up really well against Anderson.
Mousasi has potential, but he had a good amount of trouble with King Mo and I haven't seen him fight anyone decent since.
I fear Mousasi''s window may be closing on evolving his game enough to compete with the best.
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Fedor got old....He's only 34. His STYLE is what got old.
I can say Fedor was overrated because he dodged the top ranked guys for the past several years. He knew he would get smashed by the top ranked (UFC) HW's. His last two losses confirm this.
I enjoy the popularity of MMA/UFC. If it were kept as cult status, it most likely would have died.
The sport has grown much like the sports in the X games. They are no longer cult-like. Most people get past it and enjoy its popularity. Without it, it wouldn't survive.
34 and been a pro fighter for how many years? i'm sure if he has fights with the brandon vera's of the world he can still come off no worse than randy, infact better than overrated randy
he fought top 10 guys, arlovski was a top 3 fguy and he was scheduled to fight the number 2 guy barnett, you really have no clue
i enjoy cult like status becasue it keeps out the wannabes that think they are experts, going to the gym was so mcuh nicer without seeing the tapout "warriors"
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Pride had fixed fights, just like the WWE. Listen to Bas Ruten's interview on the Rogan podcast. Enough said.
which fights were fixed and why would Fedor's fights be fixed when many fighters were far more popular?
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which fights were fixed and why would Fedor's fights be fixed when many fighters were far more popular?
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I saw an interview with Bas somewhere where he alluded to a fight being fixed..
don't really know if he was or wasn't implying that there were more that were....
pretty sure he was refering to a fight that was one of those circus acts that pride occasionally had.
Bob Sapp or something..
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I saw an interview with Bas somewhere where he alluded to a fight being fixed..
don't really know if he was or wasn't implying that there were more that were....
pretty sure he was refering to a fight that was one of those circus acts that pride occasionally had.
Bob Sapp or something..
He's gone on record many times and said that many of Pride fights were fixed. He said none of his fights were, but he was told that some of his opponents were asked to take the loss without him knowing.
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34 and been a pro fighter for how many years? i'm sure if he has fights with the brandon vera's of the world he can still come off no worse than randy, infact better than overrated randy
he fought top 10 guys, arlovski was a top 3 fguy and he was scheduled to fight the number 2 guy barnett, you really have no clue
i enjoy cult like status becasue it keeps out the wannabes that think they are experts, going to the gym was so mcuh nicer without seeing the tapout "warriors"
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Yes, Arlovski was a top 10 Heavyweight. But, was on his way down having been cut by the UFC. Look at his record now.
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34 and been a pro fighter for how many years? i'm sure if he has fights with the brandon vera's of the world he can still come off no worse than randy, infact better than overrated randy
he fought top 10 guys, arlovski was a top 3 fguy and he was scheduled to fight the number 2 guy barnett, you really have no clue
i enjoy cult like status becasue it keeps out the wannabes that think they are experts, going to the gym was so mcuh nicer without seeing the tapout "warriors"
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Bigfoot was not a top ten guy at the time and he destroyed Fedor. What about Hong Man Choi who only had one MMA fight before Fedor fought him?
What about the 185lbs Lindland who Fedor struggled with until Fedor cheated and used to roped to save his ass?
This is why I'm saying Fedor loves fighting big names that are on a decline. This is why Fedor fought Sylvia, Arvloski...they still had a "name" but were on a career decline...which was further proven by the fights that followed Fedor.
Why is is that Fedor has dodged Overeem for years?
If you don't like the tapout warriors, maybe you should find a new gym.
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Bigfoot was not a top ten guy at the time and he destroyed Fedor. What about Hong Man Choi who only had one MMA fight before Fedor fought him?
What about the 185lbs Lindland who Fedor struggled with until Fedor cheated and used to roped to save his ass?
This is why I'm saying Fedor loves fighting big names that are on a decline. This is why Fedor fought Sylvia, Arvloski...they still had a "name" but were on a career decline...which was further proven by the fights that followed Fedor.
Why is is that Fedor has dodged Overeem for years?
If you don't like the tapout warriors, maybe you should find a new gym.
hong man choi would destroy many fighters, imagine randy trying to wrestle him to the ground or chuck trying to knock him out haha
fedor struggled with lindland? so one takedown is a struggle? lindland beat rampage if you ask me and he did wrestle in the olympics so nothing to be embarrassed about if he takes you down, i think he weighed about 10 pounds less than fedor
why did overeem deserve a shot after many embarrassing losses? werdumm beat overeem so he deserved a shot, barnett was number 2 but he failed his test
every gym has tapout warriors
who beat more quality opponents?
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hong man choi would destroy many fighters, imagine randy trying to wrestle him to the ground or chuck trying to knock him out haha
fedor struggled with lindland? so one takedown is a struggle? lindland beat rampage if you ask me and he did wrestle in the olympics so nothing to be embarrassed about if he takes you down, i think he weighed about 10 pounds less than fedor
why did overeem deserve a shot after many embarrassing losses? werdumm beat overeem so he deserved a shot, barnett was number 2 but he failed his test
every gym has tapout warriors
who beat more quality opponents?
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Fedor has been dodging Overeem for several years, and Overeem holds the belt in Strikeforce!
What's your excuse now?
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Fedor has been dodging Overeem for several years, and Overeem holds the belt in Strikeforce!
What's your excuse now?
wait a minute i thought holding a belt in strokeforce was nothing to brag about
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wait a minute i thought holding a belt in strokeforce was nothing to brag about
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So why is it you think that according to Overeem, while he was champ in Strikeforce, Fedor denied his requests to fight him, TWICE?
Why would Fedor willingly choose to fight a guy that doesn't even have that "coveted" belt?
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ShitPusher keeps bringing up Silva's ranking as if that were relevant. Who gives a shit? Everyone is unranked at some point. Even Fedor was unranked when he fought in "RINGS" back in 2002.
What matters in this fight is that Fedor held his own against a fighter 57 lbs heavier in lean muscle and 5 years younger and went 1-1 on 2 rounds and lost due to a doctor stoppage and not because he was KOd. That's what matters. Fedor came out a winner in my eyes despite the loss. No other fighter could win a round against an opponent 60 lbs heavier in terms of lean body mass. Only Fedor.
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It was kind of crazy to me to see how Henderson was able to pull off that victory with a cocked right hand the whole fight.
Obvious newb statement, Dan has fought like that his entire career. You don't learn that from fight finder sister.
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Obvious newb statement, Dan has fought like that his entire career. You don't learn that from fight finder sister.
No shit ::)
That style might have worked 10 years ago. But the game has evolved. The only way that style works today, is against cans.
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Obvious newb statement, Dan has fought like that his entire career. You don't learn that from fight finder sister.
EXACTLY my point! Dan has not evolved and with this style he would get humiliated by any real talent.
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ShitPusher keeps bringing up Silva's ranking as if that were relevant. Who gives a shit? Everyone is unranked at some point. Even Fedor was unranked when he fought in "RINGS" back in 2002.
What matters in this fight is that Fedor held his own against a fighter 57 lbs heavier in lean muscle and 5 years younger and went 1-1 on 2 rounds and lost due to a doctor stoppage and not because he was KOd. That's what matters. Fedor came out a winner in my eyes despite the loss. No other fighter could win a round against an opponent 60 lbs heavier in terms of lean body mass. Only Fedor.
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Thanks for you opinion...but on record Fedor got humiliated. Dominated. Embarassed and took the loss.
End of story.
BTW...Werdum had no problem handling the weight difference of Silva did he?
What's your excuse now?
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No shit ::)
That style might have worked 10 years ago. But the game has evolved. The only way that style works today, is against cans.
His style is olympic caliber wrestling (when he's not fighting with a back injury) and a Rocky Marciano like path of stance with sick right hands and left hooks. Last time I checked people were winning titles with wrestling alone, how is this style obsolete? You guys are now calling Dan Henderson a can??? Can your TUF fanboy-itis get any worse??? Dan Henderson is one of those guys that you know what he brings to the table, and yet there is still nothing you can do to avoid being clipped at least once, and you'll have a hard time taking him down when he's healthy. All I'm seeing here is bitches whining about non-ufc fighters (again).
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His style is olympic caliber wrestling (when he's not fighting with a back injury) and a Rocky Marciano like path of stance with sick right hands and left hooks. Last time I checked people were winning titles with wrestling alone, how is this style obsolete? You guys are now calling Dan Henderson a can??? Can your TUF fanboy-itis get any worse??? Dan Henderson is one of those guys that you know what he brings to the table, and yet there is still nothing you can do to avoid being clipped at least once, and you'll have a hard time taking him down when he's healthy. All I'm seeing here is bitches whining about non-ufc fighters (again).
Dan is another dinosaur in this fast evolving sport. He is one dimensional and that will not work against the elite level fighters.
I love how you qualify his greatness with "when he's healthy" ::)
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His style is olympic caliber wrestling (when he's not fighting with a back injury) and a Rocky Marciano like path of stance with sick right hands and left hooks. Last time I checked people were winning titles with wrestling alone, how is this style obsolete? You guys are now calling Dan Henderson a can??? Can your TUF fanboy-itis get any worse??? Dan Henderson is one of those guys that you know what he brings to the table, and yet there is still nothing you can do to avoid being clipped at least once, and you'll have a hard time taking him down when he's healthy. All I'm seeing here is bitches whining about non-ufc fighters (again).
You are right, this style still works when you are fighting second rate competition. Dan has founf a nice home with Strikeforce.
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His style is olympic caliber wrestling (when he's not fighting with a back injury) and a Rocky Marciano like path of stance with sick right hands and left hooks. Last time I checked people were winning titles with wrestling alone, how is this style obsolete? You guys are now calling Dan Henderson a can??? Can your TUF fanboy-itis get any worse??? Dan Henderson is one of those guys that you know what he brings to the table, and yet there is still nothing you can do to avoid being clipped at least once, and you'll have a hard time taking him down when he's healthy. All I'm seeing here is bitches whining about non-ufc fighters (again).
The points in this post are excellent. Hendo is years passed his best but he's still winning fights people who dont know him expect him to lose (i.e. the new generation of MMA fans). Hate Bisping all you want, he is a better than average fighter and identified Hendo's "strategy" long before they fought however he was powerless to stop Dan from executing it and leaving him fast asleep. Hes got absolute knockout power, the highest level of wrestling ability and a surprising amount of durability & strength for his size and much like Randy, has not had to adapt his gameplan because it is very effective.
I personally rate Hendo above Randy as a fighter for my own reasons, and i realise that alot of you will be spitting at the screen but that is my choice to make. His record reads like "Hollywood's" walk of fame and nothing / nobody can take that away from him. He competed at the highest level possible at every point through his career and was always a name fighter. Remember not long ago people were rating King Mo as one of the next big names, and Hendo just walked through the man that beat him so the validity of his current reign is still very much warranted. I just cant believe he lost to Rampage and gave himself so willingly to Silva - not that it was a fix but more that he made mistakes he shouldnt have.
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Thanks for you opinion...but on record Fedor got humiliated. Dominated. Embarassed and took the loss.
End of story.
Fedor held his own and even won a round against a 130 kg super-monster who is a well-rounded fighter and lost due to a doctor stoppage and not because he was KOd. To me, this is all that matter. He came out a winner in my eyes.
BTW...Werdum had no problem handling the weight difference of Silva did he?
What's your excuse now?
Werdum is 6'4 and was over 250 lbs for his fight with Silva. Add to that Werdum is a World-class grappler who can use submissions to win, and there is your answer. Silva is a BJJ black belt, so Fedor's sambo is just not good enough to submit him when you take into account the weight difference.
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