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Despite all the obsession certain members of TK have with Palin, Bauchmann, Newt, or other potential GOP presidental candidates, in the end, it's all about the performance (or lack thereof) of the current president.
2012 will be about Obama
The greatest political deception of the month must be that PowerPoint presentation — the 10-slide deck that shows the president matched against various Republicans — that is being trundled around the country for showings to audiences of Democrat fat-cats. Naturally, I haven’t been invited to view it, but I am betting that the data shared with big donors does not show the “deserves reelection” percentage earned by the president. That would scare off the faint-hearted. So, instead, the deceivers show the head-to-head results of Obama versus Michele Bachmann. I can’t believe sophisticated contributors are falling for this.
Not only is this “data-based” sleight of hand misleading about the president’s empirical prospects — the larger strategic premise is flawed. Advisers to the president’s nascent reelection campaign keep talking about where they are today versus four years ago. Worse off, they acknowledge. But then they start criticizing the Republicans for not being where the Democrats were four years ago. It’s as if they think they (and even Republicans) are going to succeed by going back to the future.
All this logic is terribly flawed. Here’s why. The contest four years ago was for an open seat. Open-seat races are about all comers and both parties. The 2012 election will be a reelection contest. It will focus narrowly on the incumbent. Has Barack Obama handled the presidency well enough to deserve reelection? Virtually all incumbents, and even a few challengers, appear to resent this one-sided nature of reelection contests. But resentment doesn’t alter the reality......
There’s an even more practical reason that Republicans cannot be goaded onto the playing field too early: money. To run a proper presidential campaign, even with a skeletal, pared-down organization, will cost at least $50,000 a day. I didn’t say a week. I said 50 grand every day, seven days a week. Multiply that goal times eight or nine candidates and you are chewing through more than $50 million just in the next six months. There’s simply not enough in the pockets of the Republican faithful to bankroll that kind of spending. Hold off.
The question about deserving reelection is not asked often enough by the public pollsters. The last time The Hill reported Obama’s results, in December, only 42 percent said he’s worth another term. That’s far more telling than Obama’s double-digit lead over Newt Gingrich or Sarah Palin in someone’s PowerPoint presentation.
http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/david-hill/149759-2012-will-be-about-obama (http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/david-hill/149759-2012-will-be-about-obama)
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Inflation, Gas Prices, Jobs, Foreign Policy Disasters, Party Animal persona, he's done.
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Inflation, Gas Prices, Jobs, Foreign Policy Disasters, Party Animal persona, he's done.
He's basically lost the white voters and the independents. It now boils down to how much of the Hispanic and black voters hit the ballot box, along with the gays.
But, if the Hispanics and blacks show up in reduced numbers, he's TOAST!!!
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He's basically lost the white voters and the independents. It now boils down to how much of the Hispanic and black voters hit the ballot box, along with the gays.
But, if the Hispanics and blacks show up in reduced numbers, he's TOAST!!!
Why would anyone show up to vote for him other than welfare leeches, govt wokers, and cronies in bed with his admn?
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Why would anyone show up to vote for him other than welfare leeches, govt wokers, and cronies in bed with his admn?
You forgot the youth voters. Although given their reduced ability to get jobs, don't be surprised if their number DROP in 2012 at the polls.
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You forgot the youth voters. Although given their reduced ability to get jobs, don't be surprised if their number DROP in 2012 at the polls.
Not going to work this time around in same numbers.
I can imagine 18-22 y/o saying "wait a minute, he promised the same shit 4 years ago to young people and they are not even able to get waiter jobs. Fuck that!"
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If Republicans want any chance of winning or even making it a race they need to stop talking about abortion and gay marriage and start talking about jobs, the economy, etc...
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If Republicans want any chance of winning or even making it a race they need to stop talking about abortion and gay marriage and start talking about jobs, the economy, etc...
The only ones screaming about gay marraige is the left.
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If Republicans want any chance of winning or even making it a race they need to stop talking about abortion and gay marriage and start talking about jobs, the economy, etc...
They can do BOTH the social and economic issues. It's hardly an either/or situation. It worked for Bush in 2004. Besides, it was Obama who brought this mess up by floundering on his duty to defend DOMA.
Plus, from a tactical point, it's an inroads to Latino voters.
Hispanic Evangelicals Urge Congress to Defend DOMA
Two of the largest evangelical organizations in the nation have urged House Speaker John Boehner (R-Oh.) and Congress to oppose President Barack Obama’s decision not to defend legally the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA).
Rev. Samuel Rodríguez, President of The National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference (NHCLC), also known as the Hispanic National Association of Evangelicals and the largest Hispanic Christian organization, said that “traditional marriage is the #1 antidote against the social ills – drugs, teen pregnancy and high school drop-out rate – that plague races of color.
“We applaud Speaker Boehner’s action to build a legal case defending DOMA,” Rev. Rodríguez said.
The organization that Rev. Rodríguez presides acted jointly with the Freedom Federation, the nation’s largest evangelical faith-based organization, in urging Congress to oppose President Obama’s recent DOMA directive.
A statement from the two organizations explained that last week Attorney General Eric Holder stated that the President had “instructed” the Justice Department to no longer defend the constitutionality of DOMA in federal courts.
“I whole heartedly disagree with President Obama’s DOMA directive,” Rev. Rodríguez said. “In light of the fact that Congress passed this law, today, we call on Congress to step in and defend the law as Constitutional and act on behalf of the American people.”
Matthew Staver, Dean and Professor of Law at Liberty University and Director of Liberty Center for Law And Policy, agreed.
“Traditional marriage is the cornerstone of America. Redefining marriage is not in the best interest of the family unit. Abandoning the Defense of Marriage Act is tantamount to declaring war on the family,” Staver said. “The more than 40 million people represented by the organizations that comprise the Freedom Federation call on Congress to act now to defend natural marriage between one man and one woman.”
He added: “We stand with the NHCLC and applaud House Speaker John Boehner and the Members of Congress for stepping up to the plate to defend marriage and the federal Defense of Marriage Act”.
http://theamericano.com/2011/03/10/hispanic-evangelicals-urge-congress-defend-doma/ (http://theamericano.com/2011/03/10/hispanic-evangelicals-urge-congress-defend-doma/)
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The way things are going - I'm not kidding - I'm not even sure if obama makes it that far.
What does he plan on doing in a second term?
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The only ones screaming about gay marraige is the left.
The speakers at CPAC talked about virtually nothing except so called "social issues"
Mitch Daniels (the only Repub I would even consider voting for at the moment) has called for a truce on social issues, I think because he knows that Repubs will never draw in Dems and Independents if they don't offer some solutions to our larger problems
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The way things are going - I'm not kidding - I'm not even sure if obama makes it that far.
What does he plan on doing in a second term?
are you fucking kidding me ?
the second term is when he "collapses" the nation
hasn't that been the plan you've been ranting about for 2 years now?
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are you fucking kidding me ?
the second term is when he "collapses" the nation
hasn't that been the plan you've been ranting about for 2 years now?
Yes, but with a GOP congress able to block everything major he wants, I think he prefers to just check out and make $$$$ at this point.
He seems to not even want the job anymore.
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If Republicans want any chance of winning or even making it a race they need to stop talking about abortion and gay marriage and start talking about jobs, the economy, etc...
Hell has frozen over, I actually agree with this ;D Anyone in the Federal Government needs to STFU about social issues and let the states deal with that shit.
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Hell has frozen over, I actually agree with this ;D Anyone in the Federal Government needs to STFU about social issues and let the states deal with that shit.
But, there's a federal law that affects the states, when it comes to marriage. It GUARANTEES that, if YOU vote that marriage is a union between a man and a woman in your state, the kooks in Mass. don't get to change that, because they want to appease homosexuals.
And, without federal funding, kiss Planned Parenthood goodbye.
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Yes, but with a GOP congress able to block everything major he wants, I think he prefers to just check out and make $$$$ at this point.
He seems to not even want the job anymore.
I think you're confusing him with Palin
You're fucking delusional (which we know you are) if you think Obama is not going to run in 2012
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Very simple: are you better off than you were 4 years ago?
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The speakers at CPAC talked about virtually nothing except so called "social issues"
Mitch Daniels (the only Repub I would even consider voting for at the moment) has called for a truce on social issues, I think because he knows that Repubs will never draw in Dems and Independents if they don't offer some solutions to our larger problems
They ain't going to draw in Dems (excluding a handful, here and there) and Independents are fleeing Obama in droves.
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I think you're confusing him with Palin
You're fucking delusional (which we know you are) if you think Obama is not going to run in 2012
He seems to not really give a rats ass about anything. Seriously, he gives the same standard blah blah blah no matter what the issue, partying like there is no tommorow, is distracting himself with meaningless issues, and otherwise is just seeming to check out.
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Ok - so Bama gets a second term - what next?
Answer? Nothing.
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He's basically lost the white voters and the independents. It now boils down to how much of the Hispanic and black voters hit the ballot box, along with the gays.
But, if the Hispanics and blacks show up in reduced numbers, he's TOAST!!!
Hhahahaah...dude. He is doing the will of his handlers and as long as he does that, he is sure to be re-elected. Obama 2012!!!!
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Hhahahaah...dude. He is doing the will of his handlers and as long as he does that, he is sure to be re-elected. Obama 2012!!!!
Carter did the will of ihs handlers, too.
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But, there's a federal law that affects the states, when it comes to marriage. It GUARANTEES that, if YOU vote that marriage is a union between a man and a woman in your state, the kooks in Mass. don't get to change that, because they want to appease homosexuals.
And, without federal funding, kiss Planned Parenthood goodbye.
Well my question is why is there a federal law about marriage in the first place, the federal government should not be involved. Scope creep is the biggest problem right now, if the federal government was doing what it is supposed to constitutionally we wouldn't be in this mess.
Fuck planned fetus genocide, and as far a homo's go, let the voters in the state decide, without some jerk off judge stepping in and pushing an agenda.
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The only possible thing i see bama doing with a second term is packing the court with two more freaks on the SC. Other than that, what will he possibly do?
Deficit reduction? He already deep 6'ed his own deficit commission plan.
Cap & Trade ? DOA
Jobs? Maybe if the private sector comes back cuz they realize he is done.
Health Care? LOL. enough said.
Foreign Policy? LOL.
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Well my question is why is there a federal law about marriage in the first place, the federal government should not be involved. Scope creep is the biggest problem right now, if the federal government was doing what it is supposed to constitutionally we wouldn't be in this mess.
Fuck planned fetus genocide, and as far a homo's go, let the voters in the state decide, without some jerk off judge stepping in and pushing an agenda.
Again, it's to keep the goofs in Mass. from defining marriage for other states like my home (Florida). This is why Mitt Romney, when he was governor of Mass., enforced a state law that kept out-of-state homosexuals from getting marriage licenses in Mass. and returning to their states, demanding that their licenses be validated.
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Carter did the will of ihs handlers, too.
And the Bushes, the Clintons? you seem to conveniently IGNORE that reality.
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The only possible thing i see bama doing with a second term is packing the court with two more freaks on the SC. Other than that, what will he possibly do?
Deficit reduction? He already deep 6'ed his own deficit commission plan.
Cap & Trade ? DOA
Jobs? Maybe if the private sector comes back cuz they realize he is done.
Health Care? LOL. enough said.
Foreign Policy? LOL.
The USSC thing is enough to make sure we get rid of this bum. How many boneheaded left-winged policies and laws would we have, if Bush hadn't put Roberts and Alito on the Supreme Court in 2005?
That's what the left is dying to have, a conservative justice croak or step down (ala Sandra Day O'Connor), allowing Obama to tip the court in their favor.
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And the Bushes, the Clintons? you seem to conveniently IGNORE that reality.
And you seem to conveniently ignore THE POINT. Following your handlers DOES NOT equal getting re-elected. Carter and Bush I followed their handlers but got beat up, running for re-election.
Clinton and Bush II followed their handlers and SUCCESSFULLY got re-elected.
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Again, it's to keep the goofs in Mass. from defining marriage for other states like my home (Florida). This is why Mitt Romney, when he was governor of Mass., enforced a state law that kept out-of-state homosexuals from getting marriage licenses in Mass. and returning to their states, demanding that their licenses be validated.
Just because Mass wants to have gay marriage doesn't mean the other 49 states have to respect it, shit let all the gays move to Mass.
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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/16/clinton-running-for-president
Hillary is checking out as well.
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Just because Mass wants to have gay marriage doesn't mean the other 49 states have to respect it, shit let all the gays move to Mass.
That didn't stop all the lawsuits. Fortunately, most of the courts saw DOMA and told the plaintiffs to take a long walk off a short pier.
That's why Obama isn't defending DOMA. If DOMA goes down, he can effectively endorse gay "marriage" (without actually doing so, to save face with his supporters who oppose it) by letting Mass. and the 4 other states that allow it become the Las Vegas of gay "marriage".
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IMHO
17% U6 UE
$4.00 gas
350k weekly job losses
$1.65 TRILLION deficit
$14 TRILLION Debt
Rampant Inflation
Foreign Policy a-bombs daily
Should make it that even the Iron Sheik could beat obama in 2012.
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IMHO
17% U6 UE
$4.00 gas
350k weekly job losses
$1.65 TRILLION deficit
$14 TRILLION Debt
Rampant Inflation
Foreign Policy a-bombs daily
Should make it that even the Iron Sheik could beat obama in 2012.
I wouldn't like Obama's chances against the Red Rooster, either.
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That didn't stop all the lawsuits. Fortunately, most of the courts saw DOMA and told the plaintiffs to take a long walk off a short pier.
That's why Obama isn't defending DOMA. If DOMA goes down, he can effectively endorse gay "marriage" (without actually doing so, to save face with his supporters who oppose it) by letting Mass. and the 4 other states that allow it become the Las Vegas of gay "marriage".
most people don't give a shit about gay marriage, especially so when they are more concerned about a roof over their head, food and some kind of stable financial future for themselves and their children
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i like how the repubs give all the reasons why they will win, then they will run some idiot and say why did we lose :D
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most people don't give a shit about gay marriage, especially so when they are more concerned about a roof over their head, food and some kind of stable financial future for themselves and their children
So, you emphasize the economic but you DON'T ignore the social stuff, especially since that's what liberals bank on happening. As "Deadfish" would say, you never let a good crisis go to waste.
Notice that, when our economy was much better in 2004, the gay "marriage" advocates got pummeled.
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i like how the repubs give all the reasons why they will win, then they will run some idiot and say why did we lose :D
If the GOP runs an "idiot", it makes it a fair fight.
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So, you emphasize the economic but you DON'T ignore the social stuff, especially since that's what liberals bank on happening. As "Deadfish" would say, you never let a good crisis go to waste.
Notice that, when our economy was much better in 2004, the gay "marriage" advocates got pummeled.
brilliant conclusion
I hope the Repubs use that as a talking point
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If the GOP runs an "idiot", it makes it a fair fight.
that's good because they have plenty of idiots to choose from
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If the GOP runs an "idiot", it makes it a fair fight.
i have a feeling it won't be if but when, i can see a palin on the ticket
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i have a feeling it won't be if but when, i can see a palin on the ticket
If Gas is at $4 a gallon or better
UE at 16% or greater on the U6
350k weekly job losses
Inflation still rampant
Foreign policy failures daily like we are seeing
Palin will be able to easily walk into the WH.
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that kind of stupid thinking will get you 4 more years of obama :D
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that kind of stupid thinking will get you 4 more years of obama :D
Really? Obama only won by 5.7 points as it was in 2008 in what was a Perfect Storm of events in his favor. In 2012 - he will not have the benefit of those sam factors.
Not to mention his horrible record so far on so many issues.
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indepedents won't vote for palin it's that simple
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indepedents won't vote for palin it's that simple
It depends. Anything can happen. But I dont think she is running. She is best as kingmaker and a person to rally the troops.
If anyone like cain, romney, daniels, huntsman get the nod - obama should not even bother.
I knew he would be horrible and probably the worst of all time, but even he is surprising me just how incompetent, ignorant, inept, and illiterate this admn is on so many issues.
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yea but your veiws might be a little bias ;D
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yea but your veiws might be a little bias ;D
Ok - in your own words - please tell me affirmatively why obama deserves a second term.
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the point is the repubs have to run someone who can beat him not some nut
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So the answer is that you cant point to one thing obama has done to deserve a second term other than how bad you hate palin, who is not even running so far.
Got it.
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i can see her in a meeting with world leaders . come to america and pick on me :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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i can see her in a meeting with world leaders . come to america and pick on me :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Really? Would that be any worse than bowing to everyone in sight? Whining about being picked on as a kid for your ears? allowing yourself to get embarrassed in Asia by the Chinks, running scared in the ME, and garnering zero respect even at home?
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So the answer is that you cant point to one thing obama has done to deserve a second term other than how bad you hate palin, who is not even running so far.
Got it.
Of course!! What else can he do when the object of lust for this card-carrying member of TK is being exposed for being the empty suit that he really is?
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i can see her in a meeting with world leaders . come to america and pick on me :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
At least, she'd remain upright.
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At least, she'd remain upright.
:D :D :D :D palin for pres
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:D :D :D :D palin for pres
She would be far better than Obama on so many fronts and issues.
Obama The Incompetent-in-Chief is a disaster the likes we have never seen.
GWB looks like George Washington compared to this daily shit show.
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the point is the repubs have to run someone who can beat him not some nut
:D :D :D :D :D
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Please tell me one issue Palin would be worse than obama on.
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i think she would be better in national defence "come up to alaska and pick on me" :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Please tell me one issue Palin would be worse than obama on.
While you're waiting, you could get a few things done like:
- Plant a garden (and actually get veggies, you can eat).
- Get married.
- Have kids....and watch them graduate high school.
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While you're waiting, you could get a few things done like:
- Plant a garden (and actually get veggies, you can eat).
- Get married.
- Have kids....and watch them graduate high school.
or get your news from beck ;D
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;)
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or get your news from beck ;D
You've yet to answer 333386's question, O slurping one. You'd better hurry, before he jumps the broom by year's end.
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You've yet to answer 333386's question, O slurping one. You'd better hurry, before he jumps the broom by year's end.
i think they're stating that boat without you ;D
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i think they're stating that boat without you ;D
Still ducking 333386's question, I see.
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Please tell me one issue Palin would be worse than obama on.
Tick, tock, Blacken!!!