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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: affeman on March 21, 2011, 09:02:18 AM
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Rockel in 4th. The promoter (Neill Hill) went over to Rockel after the show and apologized for his jury lol
(http://www.team-andro.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/11590/normal_2_28129%7E13.jpg)
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I don't get those who say Branch still had the edge in conditioning. That fucking roided leprechaun was holding more water then Dillett on a bad day.
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The tsunami was caused by Branch after a double dose of Lasix.
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I dont get it either ??? at first i thought it was the American judges, just screwing him. The European judges did the same thing......
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Branch lookes like a cramping, contistipated bag of smashed assholes.
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Rockel in 4th. The promoter (Neill Hill) went over to Rockel after the show and apologized for his jury lol
(http://www.team-andro.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/11590/normal_2_28129%7E13.jpg)
is that true? lol...seems to be a stand up guy after all, props for both him and rockel! not for branch ;D
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Rockel in 4th. The promoter (Neill Hill) went over to Rockel after the show and apologized for his jury lol
(http://www.team-andro.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/11590/normal_2_28129%7E13.jpg)
That pic shows that Branch has huge quads, but not detailed---Roelly's which are down in size, have some serious detail, with superior thigh rods...
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I can actually understand why Branch won but Rockel should definitely have been second. Didn't rate Roelly at all - not enough quad mass to compete alongside the likes of Branch and Rockel.
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i was there and it was complete robbery, disgusting
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and this is why I don't give a fuck about pro BBing and haven't been to a show in 11 years. they reward mass above everything else. I think BBers should be huge...just like the next guy. but the thing that set them apart from the fat fuck down the street was the tight midsection and ripped abs combined with the crazy mass. who cares if a guy weighs 265 If he has a 42 inch waist and zero shoulder-to-waist differential. ....see Jay Cutler.
fucking Branch Warren should not make the final fallout of a pro show.....he's a blob of shit and my new pro that I Like to despise
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i was there and it was complete robbery, disgusting
what was the audience reaction of the callouts?? Just curious
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the very definition of bag of smashed assholes
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Ronnie had no weak points
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looks like rockel got taller between those two pictures
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Flex Lewis looks better than any of the guys in the open class.
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Flex Lewis looks better than any of the guys in the open class.
Were you there?
Form the pics it looks like Flex Lewis looked the best followed by Rockel.
But then Flex is a midget even by bodybuilding standards and therefore would probably not be allowed to win.
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wasnt much fuss around the call outs, but there was booing at 4th place result
i love big freaks, but branch just isnt impressive, in the way ruhl or fux were, just a little stumpy mess
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You think the poor guy is reading all this shit in his hotel room ??
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Flex Lewis looks better than any of the guys in the open class.
Wow! Very impressive!
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and this is why I don't give a fuck about pro BBing and haven't been to a show in 11 years. they reward mass above everything else. I think BBers should be huge...just like the next guy. but the thing that set them apart from the fat fuck down the street was the tight midsection and ripped abs combined with the crazy mass. who cares if a guy weighs 265 If he has a 42 inch waist and zero shoulder-to-waist differential. ....see Jay Cutler.
fucking Branch Warren should not make the final fallout of a pro show.....he's a blob of shit and my new pro that I Like to despise
i dont like branch but he won the arnold. this is IFBB pro slotting at its' best. branch looks no better than 3rd in this show.
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Flex Lewis looks better than any of the guys in the open class.
:o IMPRESSIVE.
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Flex Lewis looks better than any of the guys in the open class.
yup. hes in shape, thats for sure.
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Flex Lewis looks better than any of the guys in the open class.
Very impressive. Many of the 202 competitors look much better and aesthetic than the open class but "they lack the freakiness"..
It's sad that the lighter weight pro classes or the amateurs look better than the heavyweight pros.
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and this is why I don't give a fuck about pro BBing and haven't been to a show in 11 years. they reward mass above everything else. I think BBers should be huge...just like the next guy. but the thing that set them apart from the fat fuck down the street was the tight midsection and ripped abs combined with the crazy mass. who cares if a guy weighs 265 If he has a 42 inch waist and zero shoulder-to-waist differential. ....see Jay Cutler.
fucking Branch Warren should not make the final fallout of a pro show.....he's a blob of shit and my new pro that I Like to despise
agree...
being massive and conditioned shouldnt automatically win the show...
if your shape is shit...
pro bbing judging is a joke
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Ron and Flex look great in these pics...
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Yet another travesty!!
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exactly that a travesty
bbing peaked in the 90's
eg shawn beat bigger guys also flex beat huge guys like dillet, nasser and these are guys with shape that would blow 100% o pro bbers
pro bbing today is all drugs and gurus. drugs which blow these guys up waistes included
beaanch should not have even made top 5 in the 90's he wouldnt even place
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i dont like branch but he won the arnold. this is IFBB pro slotting at its' best. branch looks no better than 3rd in this show.
agree 100%...
bodybuilding "judging" is the biggest farce you will ever see in a "sport"
pro-slotting (I like that)...is just another aspect of it
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The problem with modern BB is that they added freakiness as part of the new judging criteria.
When you ask someone , Do you think Branch deserved to win ? they usually answer '' Yeah he was the freakiest guy on stage ''. ::)
Old judging criteria :
Mass
Definition
Proportion
Symmetry
Stage Presence
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Someone needs to get ahold of Dorian, Shawn, Kevin, Flex, and Ronnie's DNA and clone it, so we can argue on who looks like the best "clone for yrs to come, because these idiots suck elephant nuts...
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we all know branch is a disgrace, but what I dont know is why does he keep winning? Who is driving these results and why?
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we all know branch is a disgrace, but what I dont know is why does he keep winning? Who is driving these results and why?
I guess he sells tickets? I really don't know....but to hear chick tell it, BBing is doing fine.
To my eye....its like they don't even LOOK at the fucking top guys at a contest...its like " oh its Branch Warren? he wins.."
makes me scratch my head
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I guess he sells tickets? I really don't know....but to hear chick tell it, BBing is doing fine.
To my eye....its like they don't even LOOK at the fucking top guys at a contest...its like " oh its Branch Warren? he wins.."
makes me scratch my head
I think we need you to diet down and show them how its done.
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we all know branch is a disgrace, but what I dont know is why does he keep winning? Who is driving these results and why?
This is a question for Chick...of course, he maybe in on it...getting the posing round thrown out (as in it doesn't count), I think it also ties in with Weider getting older---they see the King is dying (figeratively) and want to take bbing in a different (wrong) direction. Because they are in it for the wrong reasons (short term monetary gains).
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Fuck i thought this was a thread about the 2007 Mr. Olympia
I mean fucking seriously look at this
(http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8403&stc=1&d=1265354546)
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Ronnie had no weak points
Yet you didn't post a single shot of Rockel from the rear.
I'm as big of a fan for Ronnie as anyone else is, but Rockel's well known weak point is/has always been his back. He has thickness but no width and very little detail.
From the front Ronnie is unbeatable. From the rear, it's a different story.
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I dont get it either ??? at first i thought it was the American judges, just screwing him. The European judges did the same thing......
I heard that Lee Thompson the Texas chairman was the head judge at this show. ;D
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this thread isn't about Chick & Rusty at the Master's.
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Yet you didn't post a single shot of Rockel from the rear.
I'm as big of a fan for Ronnie as anyone else is, but Rockel's well known weak point is/has always been his back. He has thickness but no width and very little detail.
From the front Ronnie is unbeatable. From the rear, it's a different story.
Hey YB,what`s up buddy?
IMO,if Rockel had his back amputated,he should still beat Branch !
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THe biggest robbery would have to be the teen nationals. Nick over Cody.
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Impressive!!! Any back shot available?
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Line
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Hapless Rockel places lower than he deserves and keeps coming back. Imagine how disappointing it must be to look that good and ripped and lose to a muscleman like Warren.
Conditioning is the only quality most judges can assess and they use that to separate the competitors. I have been saying for a long time that the whole Pro League needs a complete replacement and upgrade with competent, intelligent, experienced and fair people with integrity. Nothing less is going to improve bodybuilding. We can start by booting total stooge, patsy and jerk Bob C out as the appointed athletes rep. What a travesty that is.
The trouble is bodybuilding is a business and not some organization dedicated to doing the right thing for bodybuilders. Federation of bodybuilders my ass.
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Hapless Rockel places lower than he deserves and keeps coming back. Imagine how disappointing it must be to look that good and ripped and lose to a muscleman like Warren.
Conditioning is the only quality most judges can assess and they use that to separate the competitors. I have been saying for a long time that the whole Pro League needs a complete replacement and upgrade with competent, intelligent, experienced and fair people with integrity. Nothing less is going to improve bodybuilding. We can start by booting total stooge, patsy and jerk Bob C out as the appointed athletes rep. What a travesty that is.
The trouble is bodybuilding is a business and not some organization dedicated to doing the right thing for bodybuilders. Federation of bodybuilders my ass.
Branch was bigger so I can see why they did it... but Roelly did not look good. :(
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Ronny Rockel is one of the most complete pros out there and he get's the shaft every show he's in, people need to understand that this so called "sport" is so fixed and biest it's not even funny !! The guy speaks no english, he's not marketable at all (in the opinion of the so called "brains" of this sport) also the supplement companies don't wanna invest in an athlete that lives half way across the globe and speaks no english as well, and the suppplement companies are the ones that pay for these shows/expos. There's so many athletes that are not given the nod because of their marketability, the guy with best physique is not the one who always wins the show. As long as guys like Branch show up in some what decent shape they'll always go to there poster boy over the guy that deserves the win EVERY TIME !!
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Rockel has no back compared to Branch, that is what kills him. i have no other way to say it. stop crying over shit, it aint a beauty contest.
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Chick won the Masters fair and square, and Rusty deserved his placing.
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Chick won the Masters fair and square, and Rusty deserved his placing.
haha
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Rockel has no back compared to Branch, that is what kills him. i have no other way to say it. stop crying over shit, it aint a beauty contest.
Yes it is! :-*
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whats flex lewis' height? cant be more than 2 in shorter than branch..?
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(http://i53.tinypic.com/2gsjvk2.jpg)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=370332.0;attach=407130;image)
THE UNCROWNED CHAMP !!!
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whats flex lewis' height? cant be more than 2 in shorter than branch..?
He is just under 5`6" tall.
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(http://oi53.tinypic.com/s58lja.jpg)
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LEE PRIEST:
Yep all bullshit...Funny if Dexter come in off he gets placed low...Branch comes in off his Arnold conditon and wins...Rockell should have won...Now JOJ looked good but they say he couldnt win due to his legs letting him down..well then fuck me how does he beat Rockell who has it all balance,shape,mass and condition..it's all bullshit ....MD was major sponsor Branch and Roelly are with MD and JOJ is with Musclewreck....Roelly with BSN ..see so green wins this show....The IFBB is to pig headed to follow it's own rules and their stubbourness will be the death of this sport.....to many power hungry people trying to have it their way..........so as far as i see it we are 4 for 4 for shitty fucked shows this year......It's going great huh
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I agree with Liar Priest...it's becoming too obvious that corruption is running rampant in the IFBB, damn, maybe somebody needs to whistleblow on them, instead of blowing judges...would be glad to see a Congrssional...naw, what the hell, they wouldn't care about some drugged up dudes...
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Aquiles winning the 3rd Mr Getbig deserves a mention in this thread
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Someone please get that poor dude on the right a wheelchair
(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/27/large/134290.jpg)
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all the lads are still talking about this, it realy does stink.... i know the brit lads who competed, i was told that rockel had said back stage that he knew he was going to place low before the show even started..
eddy elwood told a similar story a few yrs ago, about how the top spots were all sewn up in order of sponsors at the grandprix he made his pro dubute at
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=370332.0;attach=407130;image)
THE UNCROWNED CHAMP !!!
fucking bullshit!!! rockel is the winner!
i cant see how they placed Branch ''30 lbs of T-rex assholes in a 20lbs bag'' Warren ahead of him
AND roelly the guy with seriously terrible genetics especially legs genetic for bbing.. all what is decent on him is his triceps and thats because he pump them up with oils everynight.. what the fuck..
what a joke pro bbing is
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Now I understand why the judges have to comply with the system and this is probably quite awful for those involved. I have judged contests in the past and there is absolutely no way I would change my decision because others asked me to do so. Once integrity goes the whole show becomes a circus and that is what we are seeing. They don't want or select independent judges with integrity. They need officials that will be sensible and do what is best for the sport!
Our Ron has been given privileges to take photos at contests so mixes with a lot of people including organizers, promoters, officials, judges, photographers, publishers and competitors. He told us Branch was the best. He would have picked this up from what he saw and heard around the scene at the contest and backstage.
You have to feel sorry for the winners and the losers who should have won because everyone involved loses when the wrong person wins. Supplement companies wield a lot of power and for products that are probably not necessary for bodybuilders. What a sad situation that all this misinformation is perpetuated by the magazines who rely on advertising to exist.
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Back.
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Back.
It's obvious that Branchhas way more back detail than Ronnie ::) ::) ::)
What a joke.
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I'm not one of those bodybuilding fans who believe that the judges' conspire to pick the winners.
And that is for two reasons.
Reason #1: The winners of the Pro events that I've personally attended and witnessed from an area close to the judging panel have appeared to be fair and impartial. I may not always agree with the eventual decision but I've never witnessed an event in which the decision appeared to be outright fraud.
EXCEPT TWICE ... and one event was not NPC nor IFBB sanctioned and the second was disregarded by an honest NPC Head Judge while computing the scores. It was a promoter who tried to persuade him otherwise.
Reason #2: It seems to me to be the fans who are avid in voicing their claim that the contest was 'fixed' or judged dishonestly'judge'. And those same fans are basing their opinion only after seeing the contestants on stage photos.
Photos show a contestant in a brief moment of time but the judges see the same contestants over several minutes of time .... and that 'time' difference alone makes a big difference in judging bodybuilding contestants.
Just because we who see the photos don't agree with the judges' decision, does not mean that the judges are 'dishonest'.
But I will admit that Ronny's photos look a lot better than Branch's.
So Ronny's 'photos' win in my humble opinion.
THANKS FOR THE BACK SHOTS, LURKY.
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I don't see how Branch beat Rockel on back, neithers is great but warrens looks like turd
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Hench, I agree with you based on seeing the above couple of shots .... but the photographer might have caught Branch before he got into the full pose.
Possibly!
I'm just attempting to say that it is almost impossible to to offer a valid judgement based on photos alone.
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Good objective post here!
One thing bodybuilding fans can fail to realize or accept is that BB is jugded by the current accepted standards.
A bigger, thicker, guy who has a more freaky muscular look like Branch is going to win.
I'm not one of those bodybuilding fans who believe that the judges' conspire to pick the winners.
And that is for two reasons.
Reason #1: The winners of the Pro events that I've personally attended and witnessed from an area close to the judging panel have appeared to be fair and impartial. I may not always agree with the eventual decision but I've never witnessed an event in which the decision appeared to be outright fraud.
EXCEPT TWICE ... and one event was not NPC nor IFBB sanctioned and the second was disregarded by an honest NPC Head Judge while computing the scores. It was a promoter who tried to persuade him otherwise.
Reason #2: It seems to me to be the fans who are avid in voicing their claim that the contest was 'fixed' or judged dishonestly'judge'. And those same fans are basing their opinion only after seeing the contestants on stage photos.
Photos show a contestant in a brief moment of time but the judges see the same contestants over several minutes of time .... and that 'time' difference alone makes a big difference in judging bodybuilding contestants.
Just because we who see the photos don't agree with the judges' decision, does not mean that the judges are 'dishonest'.
But I will admit that Ronny's photos look a lot better than Branch's.
So Ronny's 'photos' win in my humble opinion.
THANKS FOR THE BACK SHOTS, LURKY.
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One more.
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its not as tho branch is mr back, if he totaly dominated from the back it would be one thing, but he clearly doesnt, if anything his back looks poor compared to his huge legs, thick waiste and glutes
as i keep saying, every single person who attended had rockel winning or 2nd at the least
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Local Hero, good to see this comment from someone who was actually there ..... and after seeing these photos I can agree but since I was not there, I can not 'entirely agree' and can only simply say once again that Branch's photos are not as impressive as Ronny's.
Now my problem is that I have to say that Ronny's photos do look better ..... in every single case, in every single instance!
So I gotta guess that my "don't judge this contest by the photos" idea is shot down completely.
Shit! Back to the drawing board.
Thanks, Local, for making me look like the dumb GetBig Blue Nosed Gopher. (An affectionate (?) term my 4 year old niece calls me quite often.)
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Howard, thanks for the decent comment but can you detail me the Current Accepted Standards that the judges need to abide by?
I've judged many contests (but only one IFBB contest) and in my opinion it was simply a matter of picking the best one on stage and the worst one on stage and filling in the blank spaces.
In the IFBB event, it wasn't as simple as that so I simply "took my basketball and left the court".
Kind of along the same lines but I think that there should be a Pro Division for impressive bodybuilders who would be more appealing to the general public (Meaning not as big as Branch and most of the other deserving Olympia contenders).... and possible more appealing to the people within the supplement industry who look for models and spokespersons to rep their products.
As an example there should be a Pro Division for the likes of Peter Molner and Hoffmann and Dan Decker, and etc. who cannot or have no intertest in getting refrigerator sized.
I was in the process of starting a topic on this very subject and will continue to do so if there is any interest.
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didn't write here a long time
wow rockel should have won for sure and overall, i think flex looks the best
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and this is why I don't give a fuck about pro BBing and haven't been to a show in 11 years. they reward mass above everything else. I think BBers should be huge...just like the next guy. but the thing that set them apart from the fat fuck down the street was the tight midsection and ripped abs combined with the crazy mass. who cares if a guy weighs 265 If he has a 42 inch waist and zero shoulder-to-waist differential. ....see Jay Cutler.
fucking Branch Warren should not make the final fallout of a pro show.....he's a blob of shit and my new pro that I Like to despise
Lol, good post...I must agree. It's not size, but size at all costs... :(
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Ronnie is mentally challenged.