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The BBC's Ben Brown says the rebels have made gains because of allied air raids
Libyan rebels backed by extensive allied air raids have seized control of the frontline oil town of Ajdabiya from Colonel Muammar Gaddafi's forces.
Insurgents have been celebrating amid the ruins of tanks and artillery pieces left behind after air strikes.
Gaddafi loyalists seized the town last week as they advanced east to quell an uprising which began in mid-February.
A Libyan minister said the army had left the town after the "heavy involvement" of Western forces.
The rebel breakthrough came after a seventh night of bombardment by allies enforcing a UN-mandated no-fly zone.
British RAF Tornado aircraft have been firing Brimstone guided missiles at Col Gaddafi's forces in recent days around Ajdabiya, a town of about 100,000 people.
The BBC's Ben Brown in Ajdabiya says those strikes seemed to be even heavier overnight.
Gaddafi 'promotes everyone'
He counted about two dozen Libyan government tanks, armoured vehicles and artillery pieces which have been either abandoned or destroyed at the eastern gate of the town.
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Analysis
Ben Brown
BBC News, Ajdabiya
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We're here by the eastern gate and the rebels have definitely taken that. They're saying they've also taken the western gate and the whole town, which they are combing street by street. Behind us there are jubilant rebels who say they've scored a decisive victory against the Gaddafi forces.
According to the insurgents, the Gaddafi forces have scattered in all directions, and the rebels are giving chase. It's a huge morale boost to the rebels but they couldn't have done it without coalition air power.
The rebels don't have very sophisticated weaponry, command structure or discipline. There have been a series of massive coalition air strikes through the night by coalition planes which have destroyed Gaddafi tanks and armoured vehicles.
The rebels are saying they will move west to their next target, Brega. Ultimately they're saying they will go to the capital Tripoli, but that still seems a long way off.
There is even more wrecked weaponry at the western gate and lots of bodies of pro-Gaddafi fighters, our correspondent has been told.
People have been standing on abandoned government tanks, firing guns into air, dancing in the streets and blaring car horns, he adds.
Some of them chanted "Thank you, Obama", "Thank you, Cameron" - references to the US president and British prime minister.
The rebels say they are going through the town street by street trying to make sure there are no government fighters or snipers left.
Reuters news agency, which earlier said the town's western gate was still in the hands of pro-Gaddafi forces, later quoted a Libyan government official as admitting they had abandoned the town.
"They [Western forces] were heavily involved, so the Libyan armed forces decided to leave Ajdabiya this morning," Khaled Kaim, a deputy foreign minister, told reporters.
Overnight strikes by international forces also reportedly hit an air base on the outskirts of Misrata, a rebel-held city further west which pro-Gaddafi forces have been shelling.
A rebel spokesman in the city told Reuters on Saturday that the government assault had eased as a result.
Large explosions were also heard in the Libyan capital Tripoli on Saturday morning.
Witnesses said a military radar site was set on fire in that city's suburb of Tajura, a previous target of the air raids.
In his weekly address, US President Barack Obama said that the "clear and focused" military mission in Libya was succeeding.
"Make no mistake, because we acted quickly, a humanitarian catastrophe has been avoided and the lives of countless civilians - innocent men, women and children - have been saved," he said.
Col Gaddafi is meanwhile said to have ordered a universal promotion for everyone in the army and police, and proposed arming civilian volunteers.
The BBC's Kevin Connolly in the eastern rebel stronghold of Benghazi says the administration's latest move smacks of desperation
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Obama, osama, al queada, and the mb rejoice.
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don't forget all the pilots flying the missions, their happy because there doing their job and it's accomplishing something ;D
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getbiggers said the rebels weren't making progress.
I'm sure the BBC, libya's govt, the rebels, and blacken700 got this one wrong.
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on this board it's all about shiting on the pres, how unamerican, bunch of commies :D :D :D
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I wish I could take a big long stinking dump on obama.
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is that a sexual fetish, like a golden shower ;D
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I wish I could take a big long stinking dump on obama.
hahahaha funniest shit youve ever written!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I hope its a log followed by a spray.
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I hope its a log followed by a spray.
ahh, Taco hell aftermath. bean burritos = :-X
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Nah nathans' famous with a spray of heineken.
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don't forget all the pilots flying the missions, their happy because there doing their job and it's accomplishing something ;D
Look asshole, you don't know a fucking thing about what the military is thinking. I'm sure the pilots are over joyed that same bunch of fuck heads they have been bombing in Iraq and Afghanistan are now benefiting from US air power ::). STFU about things you know nothing about.
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ahh, Taco hell aftermath. bean burritos = :-X
Magic Wok aftermath.
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NEW TODAY: Rebels recapture key oil city Zeutila (or however you spell it).
The rebels are heading to tripoli. Who said the rebels weren't going to win? Kadaffi will flee or be hanging from a lamp post in a week. The rebels hold 2/3 of the map, and the libyan media is now resorting to outright baghdad bob tactics.
The people? They're kicking down the door of the foreign media to complain about the way kadaffi's hired guns are treating them. Rape, etc.
Kadaffi is over. He'll be outta there in a week.
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Libya: An opening for al Qaeda and jihad? (Obama rebuilding Al-Qaeda one country at a time)
cnn ^ | 3/27/2011 | Paul Cruickshank and Tim Lister
The town of Derna is not much to look at -- a heap of Soviet-style concrete buildings in a deprived and windswept corner of eastern Libya.
But it has a rich history -- fought over and colonized since Roman times -- and a stunning location on the Mediterranean. It has also gained a reputation as a hotbed of jihadists. And that has diplomats and analysts asking whether the unrest in Libya might provide an opening for al Qaeda and fellow travelers, just a short hop from Europe.
Derna even made it into U.S. diplomatic cables obtained by Wikileaks. A cable from 2008 describes it as a "wellspring of Libyan foreign fighters" for al Qaeda in Iraq. High youth unemployment, discrimination by the Gadhafi regime and the influence of veteran Libyan jihadists from Afghanistan all played a role in radicalizing a new generation.
"Other factors include a dearth of social outlets for young people, [and] local pride in Derna's history as a locus of fierce opposition to occupation," the cable said. "Most young men watched a mix of al-Jazeera news, religious sermons and western action films on English language satellite channels broadcast from the Gulf. The result was a heady mixture of violence, religious conservatism and hatred of U.S. policy in Iraq and Palestine."
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Libyan rebels: “Now is the time of Jihad!”
The Pajamas Media Tatler ^ | John Rosenthal
The journalist Marc de Chalvron was in Libya ten days ago. He accompanied rebel forces as they advanced to the oil-producing town of Ras Lanuf and then were turned back by Libyan government forces. On a broadcast today on the French news channel i-Télé, de Chalvron showed footage from his trip. The footage includes interviews with rebels on the back of a pick-up truck on the road to Ras Lanuf. The full report can be viewed here (in French). The relevant portion is between 3:45 and 4:20 of the clip.
One rebel says: “We were at Benghazi with many other volunteers. From there, we are at Ajdabiya, the center of the Jihad.”
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NEW TODAY: Rebels recapture key oil city Zeutila (or however you spell it).
The rebels are heading to tripoli. Who said the rebels weren't going to win? Kadaffi will flee or be hanging from a lamp post in a week. The rebels hold 2/3 of the map, and the libyan media is now resorting to outright baghdad bob tactics.
The people? They're kicking down the door of the foreign media to complain about the way kadaffi's hired guns are treating them. Rape, etc.
Kadaffi is over. He'll be outta there in a week.
The Al Queda contingent would have been wiped the fuck out, but the brilliant move by NATO is now going to give them a country. Not only a country but one with some oil reserves, brilliant now we really can finance AQ every time we get gas ::) I have seen some brain dead foreign policy in my time, but I think this takes the cake.
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This is what obama wants. He is empowering al queada and the mb on purpose so they can create a global islamic caliphate and wipe out israel and choke off our oil supply.
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so the oil is for Eurpoean nations?
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Man, replacing dictators in the Middle East has really worked out well so far. Tunisia is a complete basket-case right now and Egypt looks stellar:
(NY Times) — In post-revolutionary Egypt, where hope and confusion collide in the daily struggle to build a new nation, religion has emerged as a powerful political force, following an uprising that was based on secular ideals. The Muslim Brotherhood, an Islamist group once banned by the state, is at the forefront, transformed into a tacit partner with the military government that many fear will thwart fundamental changes.
It is also clear that the young, educated secular activists who initially propelled the nonideological revolution are no longer the driving political force — at least not at the moment.
As the best organized and most extensive opposition movement in Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood was expected to have an edge in the contest for influence. But what surprises many is its link to a military that vilified it.
“There is evidence the Brotherhood struck some kind of a deal with the military early on,” said Elijah Zarwan, a senior analyst with the International Crisis Group. “It makes sense if you are the military — you want stability and people off the street. The Brotherhood is one address where you can go to get 100,000 people off the street.” . . .
“We are all worried,” said Amr Koura, 55, a television producer, reflecting the opinions of the secular minority. “The young people have no control of the revolution anymore. It was evident in the last few weeks when you saw a lot of bearded people taking charge. The youth are gone.”
The Muslim Brotherhood is also regarded warily by some religious Egyptians, who see it as an elitist, secret society. These suspicions have created potential opportunities for other parties.
About six groups from the ultraconservative Salafist school of Islam have also emerged in the era after President Hosni Mubarak’s removal, as well as a party called Al Wassat, intended as a more liberal alternative to the Brotherhood.
In the early stages of the revolution, the Brotherhood was reluctant to join the call for demonstrations. It jumped in only after it was clear that the protest movement had gained traction. Throughout, the Brotherhood kept a low profile, part of a survival instinct honed during decades of repression by the state.
The question at the time was whether the Brotherhood would move to take charge with its superior organizational structure. It now appears that it has.
Huzzah! Middle Eastern progress! Apparently, in 240's world, 50 steps backwards for every step forward = progress.
Funny how we've gone from "No-Fly Zone" to launching air strikes on Gadhafi troops fighting a rebel advance and yet Obama still refuses to call it a war. What a pathetic joke.
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BF has a point.
I am not sorry these dictators are going BUT they spoke a language their people understood.
Removing these guys usually unleashes, tribal and religeous nuts who where to scared to come out before.
I am sure in most of the Arab countries that have gotten rid of their nut case leaders things will get much worse before they get better, I am also 100% sure that some will be even more dangerous to the free world now than when they had a donkey whisperer as dah "boss"
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The Al Queda contingent would have been wiped the fuck out, but the brilliant move by NATO is now going to give them a country. Not only a country but one with some oil reserves, brilliant now we really can finance AQ every time we get gas ::) I have seen some brain dead foreign policy in my time, but I think this takes the cake.
25 fighters from alqueda i think you might be stretching it a little ::) ::)
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25 fighters from alqueda i think you might be stretching it a little ::) ::)
Wow, you know exactly how many jihadists and terrorists are fighting alongside the rebels there!? You must be psychic! ::)
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i guess that works both ways ;D
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i guess that works both ways ;D
You should do some reading, gimmick, as one eastern Libyan town sent 5x that many fighters to Iraq in 2006 alone. ::)
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You should do some reading, gimmick, as one eastern Libyan town sent 5x that many fighters to Iraq in 2006 alone. ::)
My tolerance for these idiots is really waning. Blackass probably did not even read the articles about the jihadis from lybia going to iraq.
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My tolerance for these idiots is really waning. Blackass probably did not even read the articles about the jihadis from lybia going to iraq.
really, who the fu#k cares
as for the number it's not 25 but around 250 Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi admitted earlier today that he personally recruited 250 Libyans to fight against coalition troops in Iraq. Some of these same fighters are, according to al-Hasidi, “today on the front lines in Adjabiya” fighting against Moammar Gaddafi’s forces. al-Hasidi also made positive comments about al-Qaeda during the interview as the Telegraph reports:
maybe more maybe less but to say they're all Al Queda is a stretch
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really, who the fu#k cares
as for the number it's not 25 but around 250 Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi admitted earlier today that he personally recruited 250 Libyans to fight against coalition troops in Iraq. Some of these same fighters are, according to al-Hasidi, “today on the front lines in Adjabiya” fighting against Moammar Gaddafi’s forces. al-Hasidi also made positive comments about al-Qaeda during the interview as the Telegraph reports:
maybe more maybe less but to say they're all Al Queda is a stretch
That's one guy, retard. You think they all answer to him? My, my, are you a fool.
But it's cool that you set a limit on the number of jihadists/terrorists that it's OK to work alongside of. I didn't think it was possible for you to come off anymore retarded than you already do but thanks for proving me wrong.
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Yeah but he is the guy that will take over after gadaffi or at least wield a ton of power.
I guess like obamanomics being WTF so the same goes for his foriegn policy.
By the way - other than appointing immelt to head the jobs policy - have we heard a word from obama on jobs in the last few months?
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Yeah but he is the guy that will take over after gadaffi or at least wield a ton of power.
I guess like obamanomics being WTF so the same goes for his foriegn policy.
By the way - other than appointing immelt to head the jobs policy - have we heard a word from obama on jobs in the last few months?
Hahaha, jobs. Obama has spent 2 years doing everything he can to avoid talking about them.
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That's one guy, retard. You think they all answer to him? My, my, are you a fool.
But it's cool that you set a limit on the number of jihadists/terrorists that it's OK to work alongside of. I didn't think it was possible for you to come off anymore retarded than you already do but thanks for proving me wrong.
just going by the facts that we have, momma's boy :D unless you can prove different, ed ;D
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25 fighters from alqueda i think you might be stretching it a little ::) ::)
You ignorant asshole, you are so clueless it is scary. The mother fuckers are drawn to any uprising like flies to shit.
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You ignorant asshole, you are so clueless it is scary. The mother fuckers are drawn to any uprising like flies to shit.
The worst part is that these ignorant dolts vote.
Blacken, Straw, Whork, Andre, KC, are lke the dumb chick at the bar who falls for the stupidest lines from the slick scumbag at the bar, get slipped a mickey in their drink, get date raped, and still think they went home with a nice guy.
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You are right i admit it.
We should act like cowards and let the Brits hanging and let a dictator murder his people::)
This is a Nato operation now we finally have a war everybody is behind. Us, Europe, the people of Libya hell even the Jihadists. You should be happy.
If this was Reagan doing this you would write all day how we have a courageous pres bla bla...
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Everybody is behind us now, Blacken? No. Not even close. Bush had more international and domestic support for Iraq than Obama does for Libya. But it's good to know that the jihadists are behind us.
Would someone ban these shitty gimmicks already? ::)
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"Bush had more international and domestic support for Iraq than Obama does for Libya".
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Yeah right where did you get this FOX news?
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"Bush had more international and domestic support for Iraq than Obama does for Libya".
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Yeah right where did you get this FOX news?
I already posted the list in BF's thread - go look it up. Bush had more nations behind him, plus the congress, than Obama does on this odessy dawn.
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"Bush had more international and domestic support for Iraq than Obama does for Libya".
::)
Yeah right where did you get this FOX news?
From multiple polling sources, you stupid fuck. Compared to every US military intervention over the last 30 years, less Americans supported intervention in Libya. And with regards to the international community, for starters, the most powerful country in Europe, Germany, isn't even on board. But hey, we've got the jihadists on our side! ::)
Sorry to burst your little fictitious bubble, Blacken. You get owned because you make shit up and are incapable of refuting anything Chris Tingles hasn't covered.
:D :D :D :D
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You are right i admit it.
We should act like cowards and let the Brits hanging and let a dictator murder his people::)
This is a Nato operation now we finally have a war everybody is behind. Us, Europe, the people of Libya hell even the Jihadists. You should be happy.
If this was Reagan doing this you would write all day how we have a courageous pres bla bla...
We were played by the UK and France plain and simple
http://91.214.23.156/cablegate/wire.php?id=08TRIPOLI120&search= (http://91.214.23.156/cablegate/wire.php?id=08TRIPOLI120&search=)
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From multiple polling sources, you stupid fuck. Compared to every US military intervention over the last 30 years, less Americans supported intervention in Libya. And with regards to the international community, for starters, the most powerful country in Europe, Germany, isn't even on board. But hey, we've got the jihadists on our side! ::)
Sorry to burst your little fictitious bubble, Blacken. You get owned because you make shit up and are incapable of refuting anything Chris Tingles hasn't covered.
:D :D :D :D
i don't make shit up you mama's boy, her's a pussy that still lives at home with mommy and has the nerve to come on here and say shit about other people. now thats priceless :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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From multiple polling sources, you stupid fuck. Compared to every US military intervention over the last 30 years, less Americans supported intervention in Libya. And with regards to the international community, for starters, the most powerful country in Europe, Germany, isn't even on board. But hey, we've got the jihadists on our side! ::)
Sorry to burst your little fictitious bubble, Blacken. You get owned because you make shit up and are incapable of refuting anything Chris Tingles hasn't covered.
:D :D :D :D
So you just think what the majority thinks the huh? Sad piece of shit grow a pair will you
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If you ever needed any more proof that blacken = whork25. ::)
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If you ever needed any more proof that blacken = whork25. ::)
You guys are too lame.
You just like to sit and agrre with each other how Bama is a commie and we need a repub leader bla bla..
Whenever people dont agree with your brainwashed agenda you accuse them of being gimmicks
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Bama is a joke and this is another wtf policy from him.
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Kadhafi forces sweep through Misrata ("Rebels" beg for more help from Obama)
Google ^ | 3/29/2011 | AFP
Tanks and troops loyal to Moamer Kadhafi swept through rebel-held Misrata on Tuesday, a rebel spokesman said as a doctor in Libya's third city put the death toll at 142 since March 18.
Kadhafi troops indiscriminately shelled Misrata, 214 kilometres (132 miles) east of Tripoli, and are preparing for a "massacre," the rebel spokesman told AFP by telephone.
"Misrata is in danger. The criminal forces are advancing on the city and the tanks are firing shells indiscriminately," he said, asking that his name be withheld.
"The massacre that was avoided in Benghazi thanks to the intervention of coalition forces will be carried out in the Misrata," the spokesman said.
The rebel stronghold of Benghazi is located 810 kilometers (503 miles) east of Misrata along the Mediterranean coast.
Western coalition forces launched a campaign on March 19 to enforce a UN no-fly zone in Libya and to protect civilians under attack and pounded Kadhafi forces in and around the rebel stronghold.
"Unlike what happened in Benghazi, coalition warplanes did not hit (Kadhafi) tanks that are already inside Misrata to avoid civilian casualties," the spokesman said.
He also spoke of a "humanitarian catastrophe" while a city doctor speaking separately to AFP said that at least 142 people were killed and more than 1,400 others injured since Kadhafi loyalists began hammering the city on March 18.
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So basically the "rebels" will get their ass's kicked if NATO doesn't bomb the shit out of Gaddahfi. Yeah this will be over in a week ::)
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Kadhafi forces sweep through Misrata ("Rebels" beg for more help from Obama)
Google ^ | 3/29/2011 | AFP
Tanks and troops loyal to Moamer Kadhafi swept through rebel-held Misrata on Tuesday, a rebel spokesman said as a doctor in Libya's third city put the death toll at 142 since March 18.
Kadhafi troops indiscriminately shelled Misrata, 214 kilometres (132 miles) east of Tripoli, and are preparing for a "massacre," the rebel spokesman told AFP by telephone.
"Misrata is in danger. The criminal forces are advancing on the city and the tanks are firing shells indiscriminately," he said, asking that his name be withheld.
"The massacre that was avoided in Benghazi thanks to the intervention of coalition forces will be carried out in the Misrata," the spokesman said.
The rebel stronghold of Benghazi is located 810 kilometers (503 miles) east of Misrata along the Mediterranean coast.
Western coalition forces launched a campaign on March 19 to enforce a UN no-fly zone in Libya and to protect civilians under attack and pounded Kadhafi forces in and around the rebel stronghold.
"Unlike what happened in Benghazi, coalition warplanes did not hit (Kadhafi) tanks that are already inside Misrata to avoid civilian casualties," the spokesman said.
He also spoke of a "humanitarian catastrophe" while a city doctor speaking separately to AFP said that at least 142 people were killed and more than 1,400 others injured since Kadhafi loyalists began hammering the city on March 18.
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I watched a clip showing what I think was an ABC reporter interviewing some rebels while they were getting shelled. I shit you not, the reporter showed that one of the rebel's weapons was actually a plastic toy gun.
These rebels couldn't be more disorganized, inexperienced, incompetent and inept. Keep up the good work, Obama! Best keep doing the European's bidding, because as we all know, Europe is really relevant on the world stage! ::)
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Libya: An opening for al Qaeda and jihad? (Obama rebuilding Al-Qaeda one country at a time)
cnn ^ | 3/27/2011 | Paul Cruickshank and Tim Lister
The town of Derna is not much to look at -- a heap of Soviet-style concrete buildings in a deprived and windswept corner of eastern Libya.
But it has a rich history -- fought over and colonized since Roman times -- and a stunning location on the Mediterranean. It has also gained a reputation as a hotbed of jihadists. And that has diplomats and analysts asking whether the unrest in Libya might provide an opening for al Qaeda and fellow travelers, just a short hop from Europe.
Derna even made it into U.S. diplomatic cables obtained by Wikileaks. A cable from 2008 describes it as a "wellspring of Libyan foreign fighters" for al Qaeda in Iraq. High youth unemployment, discrimination by the Gadhafi regime and the influence of veteran Libyan jihadists from Afghanistan all played a role in radicalizing a new generation.
"Other factors include a dearth of social outlets for young people, [and] local pride in Derna's history as a locus of fierce opposition to occupation," the cable said. "Most young men watched a mix of al-Jazeera news, religious sermons and western action films on English language satellite channels broadcast from the Gulf. The result was a heady mixture of violence, religious conservatism and hatred of U.S. policy in Iraq and Palestine."
(Excerpt) Read more at edition.cnn.com ...
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