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I say jay cutler do this in some of his vids, where he started his chest training with flies.
he said some bullshit about expanding the muscle with flies then fill it up with presses.
anyway, i tried this a few times, and even though you can't press as much on bench, it really made my chest super sore the next day (not sure if that equates to more mass or not). wonder if anyone else experiemented with this technique?
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i agree with chick that flies are as dangerous as flat bench as far as pec tears go. take a boat load of drugs like chick in retirement and do machines, let the drugs stimulate muscle growth. ::)
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The pump is unbelievable. Same with shoulders; did lateral raises first and then presses... AWESOME SHIT MAN!!! I think Jay did that also... (not that I did it because of Jay but it sound reasonable to pre-exhaust muscle a little before heavy compound movements)
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Kevin Levrone tore his pec on flys...stick to cables and machines like Chick...a fouth teir pro who competed in more NPCs than there are Wrestlemanias .. his best asset in BB was his mouth.
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i agree with chick that flies are as dangerous as flat bench as far as pec tears go. take a boat load of drugs like chick in retirement and do machines, let the drugs stimulate muscle growth. ::)
hahaha!
anyway, flies are safe if you keep the weight resonable (like 50-55 pounds) and get a good stretch and good contraction, no need to do flies with 90lbs...
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yes,but not always.
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Kevin Levrone tore his pec on flys...stick to cables and machines like Chick...a fouth teir pro who competed in my NPCs than there are Wrestlemanias .. his best asset in BB was his mouth.
Brutal :o
;D ;D
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yes,but not always.
70% of the time it works everytime.
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those with ego problems will always tear something
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those with ego problems will always tear something
x2.
You can tear a muscle on anything, it doesn't matter what exercise and it doesn't even matter the amount of weight.
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I say jay cutler do this in some of his vids, where he started his chest training with flies.
he said some bullshit about expanding the muscle with flies then fill it up with presses.
anyway, i tried this a few times, and even though you can't press as much on bench, it really made my chest super sore the next day (not sure if that equates to more mass or not). wonder if anyone else experiemented with this technique?
Soreness is because of the stretch, nothing to do with building more mass.
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yes,but not always.
x2
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x2.
You can tear a muscle on anything, it doesn't matter what exercise and it doesn't even matter the amount of weight.
I tore a hamstring once doing lunges with 30 lbs :-\
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Pre exhausting the muscle....revolutionary stuff ::)
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Weider Principle #5405
"To stand as a champion, one may have to start from the knees."
--Joe Weider
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The Pre-exhaust system has been around since the 60's & probable before. Doing an extension exercise before the bigger push/pull exercise. With flys you want to tire the pecs to their limit, than switch to the bench (or incline/dips, etc) and with the help of the triceps and delts , push the pecs to work even more.
Good theory for BB'ing. Some confuse Pre-exhaust with SS's. But a lot of different training systems can go by different names today.
Can do quads with with leg extensions first than squats. Delts: lateral raises (strict) with press behind neck. Lats: straight arm pullover than lat pull down/rows/etc. Lots of combo's. Surprised it's not used than much now. BB'ing is very trendy, so maybe it will come back big time again. Good Luck.
Side Bar: Got ya, Evo!
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The Pre-exhaust system has been around since the 60's & probable before. Doing an extension exercise before the bigger push/pull exercise. With flys you want to tire the pecs to their limit, than switch to the bench (or incline/dips, etc) and with the help of the triceps and delts , push the pecs to work even more.
Good theory for BB'ing. Some confuse Pre-exhaust with SS's. But a lot of different training systems can go by different names today.
Can do quads with with leg extensions first than squats. Delts: lateral raises (strict) with press behind neck. Lats: straight arm pullover than lat pull down/rows/etc. Lots of combo's. Surprised it's not used than much now. BB'ing is very trendy, so maybe it will come back big time again. Good Luck.
Side Bar: Got ya, Evo!
;)
Pre ex works well, as long as it isn't done for prolonged periods.
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That's why periodization can be an important factor in any well thought out, long range, workout plan. Usually 6 to 8 weeks (sometimes 12 weeks max) on any protocol and than a week off for rest, and on to another training system. Good Luck.
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Great way to pre-exhaust your pecs especially before doing bb bench press. You handle less weight but the muscle contraction you get is awesome.
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That's why periodization can be an important factor in any well thought out, long range, workout plan. Usually 6 to 8 weeks (sometimes 12 weeks max) on any protocol and than a week off for rest, and on to another training system. Good Luck.
jpm you are a good poster who gives good advices. I appreciate your work on the training board 8)
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i start with pec dec and pushup supersets and finish it up with dumbell incline press to stimulate growth
benchpress is useless for me
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That's why periodization can be an important factor in any well thought out, long range, workout plan. Usually 6 to 8 weeks (sometimes 12 weeks max) on any protocol and than a week off for rest, and on to another training system. Good Luck.
My thoughts exactly JPM.... ;)
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Kevin Levrone tore his pec on flys...stick to cables and machines like Chick...a fouth teir pro who competed in more NPCs than there are Wrestlemanias .. his best asset in BB was his mouth.
wasn't it torn on a 600lbs bench attempt? that's what I read anyways.
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In my opinion, FLAT DUMBELL FLYS are one of the best exercises for chest. Dumbell training for chest works very well for me. Ive also noticed that i get better results by doing FLYS before a pressing movement. I remember just a month ago, all i did for chest one day was flat dumbell flys and flat dumbell press and good results afterwards, my chest felt pumped/full.
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hahaha!
anyway, flies are safe if you keep the weight resonable (like 50-55 pounds) and get a good stretch and good contraction, no need to do flies with 90lbs...
And keep a decent bend in your arms.
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im stronger at flys then i am on presses.. at times i can fly more then i can press with dumbells
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ive had some bad pulls/minor tares with flys, but almost always was down to shoulder issues...
the old fashion pec deck is the perfect starter if you want to go this route, not many gyms carry them anymore tho
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im stronger at flys then i am on presses.. at times i can fly more then i can press with dumbells
I'd get that checked out, def messed up..
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Personally i don't like db flyes at all. The resistance is too uneven. Little pec work at the upper part of the movement.
As far as flyes goes i prefer cables.
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I'd get that checked out, def messed up..
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i destroyed my left wrist when i was 19 on a motorcycle accident...Dr. Replaced all torn ligaments with metal wires/pins/screws i cant bend my wrist back at all so when i bench or dB press the bar more or less rest on my thumb and i cant really feel the left tricep doing any of the work load only the left shoulder
i know i know.... cry me a river ;D
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ok. your story checks out :D
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jay cutler i noticed likes cable flys
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I think I recall reading that Jay did decline flies early
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Pre-Exhaust Sysyem,invented by
Vince Basile Bob Kennedy.
Nothing new,but it works.
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That's why periodization can be an important factor in any well thought out, long range, workout plan. Usually 6 to 8 weeks (sometimes 12 weeks max) on any protocol and than a week off for rest, and on to another training system. Good Luck.
yeah it's good...but as a serious tren addict i'm way too impatient for shit like that, just change it randomly and keep both your body and mind guessing 8)
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randomicly
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Pre-Exhaust Sysyem,invented by Vince Basile Bob Kennedy.
Nothing new,but it works.
;D
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i started with flies last night... did some dumbell presses (flats the incline). I then went on and did the hammer strength. i only had one plate plus a 35 and full concracted the muscle and i got a major pump. this morning my chest is more sore than ever.
kind of hard to check your ego and just do a plate plus a 35 on the hammer strength, but shit, i am bigger than most of the guys in the gym who are 'benching 315 pounds" for a half a rep.
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It's bodybuilding young grasshopper. There is no wrong way to train as long as it works for you.
I say start with flys, go to cables next, then pec-dec, finish off with high rep partial dips with your chin tucked down to your chest. Never lock anything out. Lots of volume, light to moderate weight. Train your pecs, not your tris or delts. Concentrate.
I expect big things.
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Fuck training just shoot some roids and stfu
stavios approved
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i started with flies last night... did some dumbell presses (flats the incline). I then went on and did the hammer strength. i only had one plate plus a 35 and full concracted the muscle and i got a major pump. this morning my chest is more sore than ever.
kind of hard to check your ego and just do a plate plus a 35 on the hammer strength, but shit, i am bigger than most of the guys in the gym who are 'benching 315 pounds" for a half a rep.
Yup. Getting " big "-which everyone has thier own definition of, ISNT ALL Aboooot Lifting heavy. Of course your not going to GETBIG from benchin 135 and curling 20lb dumbells for years, but finding a moderately heavy weight with good form, stretch, etc.......will give you real good results. When i do flys, i start with like 25lb dumbells and after a few warmup sets, i already had that full/pumped feeling. When it comes too training, STICK too what works well for you.
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i started with flies last night... did some dumbell presses (flats the incline). I then went on and did the hammer strength. i only had one plate plus a 35 and full concracted the muscle and i got a major pump. this morning my chest is more sore than ever.
kind of hard to check your ego and just do a plate plus a 35 on the hammer strength, but shit, i am bigger than most of the guys in the gym who are 'benching 315 pounds" for a half a rep.
Haha, spot on. I saw these two jokers at the gym today, probably late 30s, trying to bench 225 with about a four-inch range of motion, stopping with the bar a good foot from the chest. Took them about half an hour to build up to this, resting for five minutes each between sets. But now they can go tell everyone they bench 225.
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i started with flies last night... did some dumbell presses (flats the incline). I then went on and did the hammer strength. i only had one plate plus a 35 and full concracted the muscle and i got a major pump. this morning my chest is more sore than ever.
kind of hard to check your ego and just do a plate plus a 35 on the hammer strength, but shit, i am bigger than most of the guys in the gym who are 'benching 315 pounds" for a half a rep.
Yeh but the point is you are still going to failure on the other exercises which is more important. Plus you would use more weight on Flies anyway.