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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Religious Debates & Threads => Topic started by: Sherief Shalaby on May 03, 2011, 11:50:43 AM
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if possible let's exchange our opinions seriously..
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Both suck.
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These questions are all easily answered. That Richard guy doesn't seem to know the doctrine very well. The other guy, if he is a Bible scholar, then why is he asking this guy such simple questions?
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We have a relgion board.
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It's not really a debate when one of the guys isn't answering any questions.
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Dorian is better than Nasser.
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"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep." (John 10:10-11)
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PTPS
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if you have any real questions please ask them sherief.
the first question about father + son+ holy ghost.. whether the three are one or one is the three or what... god is the holy ghost.. the holy ghost is god.. the two terms are different ways of looking at the same thing.. the son, jesus, is a man, a soul, just like all other souls god created, except he was a soul perfect like god given powers from god in order to send us his message.
that seems pretty straight forward to me, not sure why the guy would have any questions about that.
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if possible let's exchange our opinions seriously..
Fuck you camel jockey. Seriously.
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Fuck you camel jockey. Seriously.
I agree. Fuck the noise that is islam. Christ says, "choose". hOmohammed says "submit". islam means to submit, or else. A bunch of child raping, butt fucking, pedophiliacs that think dumbass shit like, "If I am surrounded by water, allah cannot see me!" WTF? They fuck boys in the ass because it is forbidden to have sex with a woman until you are married to her. Oh....FTN.
Anyone with even a room temperature IQ that isn't blinded by the bullshit of islam could see that Jesus was a man of peace while mohammed was a profit of hatred. And I spelled it that way on purpose.
Fuck islam.
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if you have any real questions please ask them sherief.
the first question about father + son+ holy ghost.. whether the three are one or one is the three or what... god is the holy ghost.. the holy ghost is god.. the two terms are different ways of looking at the same thing.. the son, jesus, is a man, a soul, just like all other souls god created, except he was a soul perfect like god given powers from god in order to send us his message.
that seems pretty straight forward to me, not sure why the guy would have any questions about that.
yes bro. i have one question.. in your opinion why a lot of ppl convert from christianity to islam every day around the world while none really leaves islam to be christian.. when this was happening in previous eras when muslims were strong it was normal but i am talking about now while muslims status is weak and not encouraging!!..
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yes bro. i have one question.. in your opinion why a lot of ppl convert from christianity to islam every day around the world while none really leaves islam to be christian.. when this was happening in previous eras when muslims were strong it was normal but i am talking about now while muslims status is weak and not encouraging!!..
i dont know anything about global statistics regarding conversion rates between islam and christianity.. but i know that within american culture over the past century or so it has become "hip" to bash christianity.
and islam experienced a big boost in popularity during the second half of the last century due to it being viewed as exotic and having celebrities like mike tyson and malcolm x convert as well.
so ya maybe that explains some of it
if we are talking about the middle east in particular, i think its because christianity is associated with the west and seen as corrpupt while islam is associated with the peoples heritage and ancestors and inspires pride.
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yes bro. i have one question.. in your opinion why a lot of ppl convert from christianity to islam every day around the world while none really leaves islam to be christian.. when this was happening in previous eras when muslims were strong it was normal but i am talking about now while muslims status is weak and not encouraging!!..
Human beings, on the whole, are retarded. That's why.
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yes bro. i have one question.. in your opinion why a lot of ppl convert from christianity to islam every day around the world while none really leaves islam to be christian.. when this was happening in previous eras when muslims were strong it was normal but i am talking about now while muslims status is weak and not encouraging!!..
Is it because they have a sack over their head while kneeling down in front of a video camara, while a crazy cave dweller yells allah akbar as he swings to behead his prisoner, so they 'submit' to islam as a last chance resort to save their life??
Fuck off Sheriff Sloppyheadtolittleboys
durka durka
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"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep." (John 10:10-11)
" He who smelt it, dealt it" ( Ron1:15, book of getbig)
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yes bro. i have one question.. in your opinion why a lot of ppl convert from christianity to islam every day around the world while none really leaves islam to be christian.. when this was happening in previous eras when muslims were strong it was normal but i am talking about now while muslims status is weak and not encouraging!!..
Bro? I never saw you at my parents home during Thanksgiving. FTN.
Now as to your "question", are you really this ignorant or do you believe us to be? To leave Christianity is to leave it but to leave islam is to have a sentence of death pronounced upon you and you know it. Fuck your faith of bullshit, pedophilia, misogyny and hatred of all, including people of the Book. Old mo' was a frustrated man because the Jews wouldn't accept him as a prophet, so he decided he would be in it for profit instead.
Surround yourself with water so allah can't see you "sin". FTN.
Christians might die for their faith but muslims will definitely kill for theirs. Big difference sport.
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To me a lot of religion and prayer is like having an "imaginary friend" you talk to.
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durka durka bak bak allah.
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i dont know anything about global statistics regarding conversion rates between islam and christianity.. but i know that within american culture over the past century or so it has become "hip" to bash christianity.
and islam experienced a big boost in popularity during the second half of the last century due to it being viewed as exotic and having celebrities like mike tyson and malcolm x convert as well.
so ya maybe that explains some of it
if we are talking about the middle east in particular, i think its because christianity is associated with the west and seen as corrpupt while islam is associated with the peoples heritage and ancestors and inspires pride.
You don't know shit. No, wait! I was hasty. The only shit you know is your own poop on some guys dick after he's massaged your bung. You'd fit right in with islam's tenets as they enjoy fucking males in the ass. Especially if they're in one of their "special rooms" where allah can't see them. Or surrounded by water where again, allah can't see them. BOHICA Barbie sounds about right for you. You can even call your asshole your "BroHole" if it makes your new butt buddies happy. Enjoy submitting to islam, turdling.
Fuck that noise.
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To me a lot of religion and prayer is like having an "imaginary friend" you talk to.
Yeah, only muslims "imaginary" friend tells them to kill people that don't submit to islam. FTN, Howard. FTN.
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yes bro. i have one question.. in your opinion why a lot of ppl convert from christianity to islam every day around the world while none really leaves islam to be christian.. when this was happening in previous eras when muslims were strong it was normal but i am talking about now while muslims status is weak and not encouraging!!..
Bro more people convert to christian from islam then the other way around. The only reason Muslims is on the rise is because the majority of Muslims come from third world countries and they haven't modernized yet producing 8-12 kids pert family while christian countries only produce 2-3 kids per family and there is more liberty on Christan countries to believe what you want while Islamic nations have cruel and unjust punishments for whoever turns their back on their faith. Your opening statement (lets pretend it is true for a second) is proof that Islamic people are utterly terrified of turning their backs on their faith because of Islamic fundamentalist that would persecute them if they did so. C'mon just imagine if a 16 year old female in Pakistan told her father that she is turning to Christianity versus a female in England telling her father that she is becoming a Muslim.
Your argument is flawed completely and everybody can see except for you
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Watch the movie "the Sunset Limited"
Samuel Jackson and Tommy Lee Jones.
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Hey Sherief, are you still fat and out of shape?
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Religion of peace.
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atheism > christianity > islam
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i dont know anything about global statistics regarding conversion rates between islam and christianity.. but i know that within american culture over the past century or so it has become "hip" to bash christianity.
and islam experienced a big boost in popularity during the second half of the last century due to it being viewed as exotic and having celebrities like mike tyson and malcolm x convert as well.
so ya maybe that explains some of it
if we are talking about the middle east in particular, i think its because christianity is associated with the west and seen as corrpupt while islam is associated with the peoples heritage and ancestors and inspires pride.
lol at you relating this to icons like tyson or mohamed ali.. or even the fact that nasser himself is muslim ;D..
in egypt where i live i know a lot of ppl and heard about more and more ppl who have left christianity to be muslims and it really has nothing to do with our view to the west because christainity in the middle east is a totally different story than in the west but still either in the middle east or in the west more and more ppl convert to islam..
in my humble opinion it's because christianity contains a lot of contradictions and unbelievable stories.. a lot of weak points that create a lot of arguments..
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Bro more people convert to christian from islam then the other way around. The only reason Muslims is on the rise is because the majority of Muslims come from third world countries and they haven't modernized yet producing 8-12 kids pert family while christian countries only produce 2-3 kids per family and there is more liberty on Christan countries to believe what you want while Islamic nations have cruel and unjust punishments for whoever turns their back on their faith. Your opening statement (lets pretend it is true for a second) is proof that Islamic people are utterly terrified of turning their backs on their faith because of Islamic fundamentalist that would persecute them if they did so. C'mon just imagine if a 16 year old female in Pakistan told her father that she is turning to Christianity versus a female in England telling her father that she is becoming a Muslim.
Your argument is flawed completely and everybody can see except for you
i hope you are not talking about those poor africans whom are paid money to be christians and they convert on papers only with their core still muslim!!..
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i hope you are not talking about those poor africans whom are paid money to be christians and they convert on papers only with their core still muslim!!..
You replied to my first sentence. What is your thoughts on the rest of what I wrote
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... if nasser wasn't a muslim but a "fill in whatever"... whould you still be such an extremist fan?
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to me,
religion is a man made invention used to surpress peolple.
all kinds of rules to listen to, if you do, not you're doomed!
sure there is more to meet the eye, it is life itself!
the power of nature/life.... that is the ultimate force!
it is energie..... all that is living have it, all in contact with each other.
any slight intelligent person does not blindly follow some stupid manmade book!
be it a bible or the koran.... or something else....
religion killed more people then any other weapon ever will
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i was raised and born catholic... i went to church every wednesday and sunday with my family... as soon as i turned 18 my dad told me.."now son its your choice of what you want to do you are a grown man".. i havent been to church once... since then.. and im 30 now... to me religion is no different then mythology.. just a bunch of fake stories to manipulate people...
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to me,
religion is a man made invention used to surpress peolple.
all kinds of rules to listen to, if you do, not you're doomed!
sure there is more to meet the eye, it is life itself!
the power of nature/life.... that is the ultimate force!
it is energie..... all that is living have it, all in contact with each other.
any slight intelligent person does not blindly follow some stupid manmade book!
be it a bible or the koran.... or something else....
religion killed more people then any other weapon ever will
Can't prove anything in life but I can prove this.........Smarter people then you have believed in God and also dumber, This doesn't mean its true because intelligents really has nothing to do with faith in God. Your statement very ignorant.i was raised and born catholic... i went to church every wednesday and sunday with my family... as soon as i turned 18 my dad told me.."now son its your choice of what you want to do you are a grown man".. i havent been to church once... since then.. and im 30 now... to me religion is no different then mythology.. just a bunch of fake stories to manipulate people...
Would your dad have told you that if you guys were muslim :D
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Bro more people convert to christian from islam then the other way around. The only reason Muslims is on the rise is because the majority of Muslims come from third world countries and they haven't modernized yet producing 8-12 kids pert family while christian countries only produce 2-3 kids per family and there is more liberty on Christan countries to believe what you want while Islamic nations have cruel and unjust punishments for whoever turns their back on their faith. Your opening statement (lets pretend it is true for a second) is proof that Islamic people are utterly terrified of turning their backs on their faith because of Islamic fundamentalist that would persecute them if they did so. C'mon just imagine if a 16 year old female in Pakistan told her father that she is turning to Christianity versus a female in England telling her father that she is becoming a Muslim.
Your argument is flawed completely and everybody can see except for you
I agree.. Muslims are fearful to leave their faith because of the consequences of being killed from stupid fanatics and they have valid scriptures straight from the Quran to justify their blood thirsty violence..
Christianity is a choice for everyone.. Anyone has the freedom to choose even if they are born in Christian family
While Islam is imputed and you have no choice whatsoever.. If you're born by Muslim parents, you're fucked with these choices - continue to be a Muslim and live or die for leaving the faith (unless you leave your family and escape to another country)
That's why some Muslim idiots would claim that in the next few decades Islam will dominate the world because of the lack of freedom.
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i was raised and born catholic... i went to church every wednesday and sunday with my family... as soon as i turned 18 my dad told me.."now son its your choice of what you want to do you are a grown man".. i havent been to church once... since then.. and im 30 now... to me religion is no different then mythology.. just a bunch of fake stories to manipulate people...
Imagine you're born in a Muslim family mate... At your 18th your dad will instead say this "now son, it's time for you to step up for Allah and be a martyr"
You're surely fucked with fanatism, raping foreign tourists and escape justice or making bombs
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yes bro. i have one question.. in your opinion why a lot of ppl convert from christianity to islam every day around the world while none really leaves islam to be christian.. when this was happening in previous eras when muslims were strong it was normal but i am talking about now while muslims status is weak and not encouraging!!..
sorry bro... but talking from everyday life here... more muslims stop believing and become atheists than christians converting to islam... very rare cases of people converting from christianity to islam, but once it happens, it become propoganda and you have 20,000 emails sent per second about how millions convert, and this is one example... for the past ten years i've been hearing about massive numbers of christians converting to islam, but only saw two or three real examples by name and they are all repeated in those emails.
you don't hear about muslims stop believing because if you did, the next day you'd hear the news of their death. LOL!
didn't read the whole thread, but just incase it isn't mentioned...
religion of peace ::)
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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sorry bro... but talking from everyday life here... more muslims stop believing and become atheists than christians converting to islam... very rare cases of people converting from christianity to islam, but once it happens, it become propoganda and you have 20,000 emails sent per second about how millions convert, and this is one example... for the past ten years i've been hearing about massive numbers of christians converting to islam, but only saw two or three real examples by name and they are all repeated in those emails.you don't hear about muslims stop believing because if you did, the next day you'd hear the news of their death. LOL!
didn't read the whole thread, but just incase it isn't mentioned...
religion of peace ::)
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
QFT
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If it is true that old Bin Laden is buried in the middle of the sea, then it is also true that he is surrounded by..."GASP!!" Water! Which means...Oh NOOOOoooooo!!!!!
allah can't see his most favored servant! He cannot deliver the "virgins"!! Oh, the horror. The huge-manatee!!!
FTN.
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Unanswered question about Islam: Why do most Muslims smell like garbage and refuse to brush their teeth? Does the Koran command a holy war against personal hygiene as well as the infidel?
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Unanswered question about Islam: Why do most Muslims smell like garbage and refuse to brush their teeth? Does the Koran command a holy war against personal hygiene as well as the infidel?
Man you're cold
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Can't prove anything in life but I can prove this.........Smarter people then you have believed in God and also dumber, This doesn't mean its true because intelligents really has nothing to do with faith in God. Your statement very ignorant.Would your dad have told you that if you guys were muslim :D
i never said i thought of myself as intelligent , or not...
you do not know me or how intgelligent i am.
and to blindly follow some manwritten book, and not think with the brain you think god gave you.... is not very bright. That is what i said.
do you not agree?
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i never said i thought of myself as intelligent , or not...
you do not know me or how intelligent i am.
and to blindly follow some manwritten book, and not think with the brain you think god gave you.... is not very bright. That is what i said.
do you not agree?
My post has nothing to do with you being dumb or smart, actually based on a few points you've made i think you're smart. My point was that people that believe in God are on both end of the spectrum (dumb and smart) Obviously following a book that is man written is being dumb I agree but not with the Bible because people that follow the Bible believe that the people that were writing it where directed by the Holy spirit. If God can create the universe clearly he can direct a few writers in the right direction, sure it sounds a little bit irrational but the alternative to this is also irrational that everything you see in the universe was created by nothing(nothing produced everything sounds pretty dumb to me but if that's what you believe then that doesn't make you dumb)
My point is our origins have a beginning and no matter how you cut it, anything a mind can come up with is bizarre, irrational and needs a little hocus pocus for an explanation.
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My post has nothing to do with you being dumb or smart, actually based on a few points you've made i think you're smart. My point was that people that believe in God are on both end of the spectrum (dumb and smart) Obviously following a book that is man written is being dumb I agree but not with the Bible because people that follow the Bible believe that the people that were writing it where directed by the Holy spirit. If God can create the universe clearly he can direct a few writers in the right direction, sure it sounds a little bit irrational but the alternative to this is also irrational that everything you see in the universe was created by nothing(nothing produced everything sounds pretty dumb to me but if that's what you believe then that doesn't make you dumb)
My point is our origins have a beginning and no matter how you cut it, anything a mind can come up with is bizarre, irrational and needs a little hocus pocus for an explanation.
agreed, my point was actually to use ones own mind to figure these things out.
and indeed to think that something was created out of nothing is very weird.
drives a man crazy lol!
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My post has nothing to do with you being dumb or smart, actually based on a few points you've made i think you're smart. My point was that people that believe in God are on both end of the spectrum (dumb and smart) Obviously following a book that is man written is being dumb I agree but not with the Bible because people that follow the Bible believe that the people that were writing it where directed by the Holy spirit. If God can create the universe clearly he can direct a few writers in the right direction, sure it sounds a little bit irrational but the alternative to this is also irrational that everything you see in the universe was created by nothing(nothing produced everything sounds pretty dumb to me but if that's what you believe then that doesn't make you dumb)
My point is our origins have a beginning and no matter how you cut it, anything a mind can come up with is bizarre, irrational and needs a little hocus pocus for an explanation.
Stick to pumping iron...
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Stick to pumping iron...
What that suppose to mean :'(
I might lose sleep because deicide thinks I am dumb ::)
I've been missing for 2 years from here and you're still here trying to prove Christians wrong on a regular basis, bro you need to move on with your life. This behavior is out of hatred no matter how you see it, don't you think?
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What that suppose to mean :'(
I might lose sleep because deicide thinks I am dumb ::)
I've been missing for 2 years from here and you're still here trying to prove Christians wrong on a regular basis, bro you need to move on with your life. This behavior is out of hatred no matter how you see it, don't you think?
Sadly my life revolves around you...
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agreed, my point was actually to use ones own mind to figure these things out.
and indeed to think that something was created out of nothing is very weird.
drives a man crazy lol!
what makes you think that religious ppl dont do this?
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what makes you think that religious ppl dont do this?
do what?
think with their own mind?
no actually i don't !
christianity has it's bible....
islam has it's koran
etc etc, every religion has it's book.... of rules...
you either live by them, or you will be punished. ie: go to hell... or will not reach a higher level of consciousness like with budism.
it is really all the same, religion has been invented to surpress people.
it's all about power and money, always was always will be.
look at the vatican, alot of money there!!! look at islam, alot of money there!
etc etc etc.... billion dollar industry we call religion.
and really if you want answers... just look around you, you can see it.... it is life itself!
because , in the worst situations, in the worst times, someone will do the right thing...a good deed without caring for him or herself....
it does not happen often, because this generation is fuc#$ed, but it does happen still.
and als don't know if you have kids.... when my baby girl smiles at me, i know why i am here.... there is my answer, to me that is magic....
i respect people who believe.... but i do not think they use their own mind.
but it's just my opinion really.
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to me,
religion is a man made invention used to surpress peolple.
all kinds of rules to listen to, if you do, not you're doomed!
When you refer to "religion" as above you must be excluding Christianity, correct?
Christianity (which is not the same as the denomination of today's Roman Catholicism) is not based on works or as you say "all kinds of rules [that if you don't do] you're doomed!"
In Christianity...."You are saved by grace through faith, and not of works, so that no one can boast." EPH 2:8,9.
Christianity emphasizes belief in Christ, and then helping others. How is that suppressive?
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When you refer to "religion" as above you must be excluding Christianity, correct?
Christianity (which is not the same as the denomination of today's Roman Catholicism) is not based on works or as you say "all kinds of rules [that if you don't do] you're doomed!"
In Christianity...."You are saved by grace through faith, and not of works, so that no one can boast." EPH 2:8,9.
Christianity emphasizes belief in Christ, and then helping others. How is that suppressive?
ever heard of the 10 commandments?
and roman catholicism is also a christianic religion, am i wrong?
first there was judism... which has led christianity to be born and also the islam....
so really all the same...
funny that even islam has it's roots with the same religion than christianity...
shows you how stupid it all really is!
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ever heard of the 10 commandments?
and roman catholicism is also a christianic religion, am i wrong?
first there was judism... which has led christianity to be born and also the islam....
so really all the same...
funny that even islam has it's roots with the same religion than christianity...
shows you how stupid it all really is!
Christianity = Triune God (One God in 3 persons - Father, Jesus, Holy Spirit)
Judaism = does not accept Jesus as God
Islam = does not accept Jesus as God
RC = the last Pope (I think) made Mary a "co-redeemer" w/Christ
These are just a few of the major differences.
And yes, I've heard of the Ten Commandments ;D
And no one (but Christ) has kept them all.
Romans 3:19-24:
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.
Righteousness Through Faith
But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
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Christianity = Triune God (One God in 3 persons - Father, Jesus, Holy Spirit)
Judaism = does not accept Jesus as God
Islam = does not accept Jesus as God
RC = the last Pope (I think) made Mary a "co-redeemer" w/Christ
These are just a few of the major differences.
And yes, I've heard of the Ten Commandments
And no one (but Christ) has kept them all.
Romans 3:19-24:
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.
Righteousness Through Faith
But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
first you are right about the 3 unit in christianity.
and jesus is indeed not considered within judism.
really was not my point, there are diffirences in all these releigions.
i was just saying that, christianity as well as islam have there roots in judism..
judism is one if not the oldest monotheistic religion.
and back to my point, i see it as blindly following a book written by men....
religion is and was always used to surpress and in a way steer people in some direction.
be it judism, islam, christianity whatever....
all do have rules and commandments.... if you do not live by them... you are fucked...
and indeed you can ask for forgiveness....
so hitler asked for forgiveness , before he died... he is in heaven now...
religion to me is bullshit, again i say to me.....my opinion
you seem like you do believe in some religion, or am i wrong?
i do believe, but have my own ideas about live.... no religion can tell me what is true and what not....
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Christianity = Triune God (One God in 3 persons - Father, Jesus, Holy Spirit)
Judaism = does not accept Jesus as God
Islam = does not accept Jesus as God
RC = the last Pope (I think) made Mary a "co-redeemer" w/Christ
These are just a few of the major differences.
And yes, I've heard of the Ten Commandments ;D
And no one (but Christ) has kept them all.
Romans 3:19-24:
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.
Righteousness Through Faith
But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
Here we go THE Truth -
Christianity: When he walked the earth, Jesus of Nazareth was God in the flesh. He is the son, foretold in the Old Testament long before he came to be. God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son and of course, the Holy Spirit who was mentioned prominently in Acts, I believe.
Judaism - Still waiting for Messiah.
islam - The utter ravings of a bedouin pedophile that was really pissed at the Jews because they refused to accept him as a prophet as they thought (and rightly so) that the age of prophets was over. Being the moral equivalent of today's televangelist sans access to a broadcasting booth, ol' mo decide (much like Joseph Smith) to compose his own tome of turds, i.e., the queeron...errrrrr...Quor an. Only a faggoty misogynist would accept the dross that is the queeron. Fuck that noise.
Roman Catholicism - A touch of the truth (if you accept Jesus as Messiah) mixed with a generous helping of man made bullshit dogman, e.g. Mary is queen of the universe and saints can actually help you, especially since they finally won a Super Bowl. Fuck that noise.
Fuck islam and that's the truth about the heat. If, and it is a BIG if, I were to accept and believe in anything it would most definitely be in the goodness of Jesus of Nazareth. Not islam, not Joseph (I wanna fuck other men's wives) Smith, not the Poop, errrr, Pope. Not a lot of anything else.
It could be said that while I think there is much in Christendom that Christ would not approve of, it is just that. In Christendom, not of Christendom. For the few that may not like what I have to say I have this to add. Get used to disappointment. I am much better equipped to know this stuff than the majority of you, but I will not belittle you your beliefs or disbeliefs unless you are a fucktard muslim. Thus endeth today's lesson on religion.
Fuck That Noise, my children. ;D
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do what?
think with their own mind?
no actually i don't !
christianity has it's bible....
islam has it's koran
etc etc, every religion has it's book.... of rules...
you either live by them, or you will be punished. ie: go to hell... or will not reach a higher level of consciousness like with budism.
it is really all the same, religion has been invented to surpress people.
it's all about power and money, always was always will be.
look at the vatican, alot of money there!!! look at islam, alot of money there!
etc etc etc.... billion dollar industry we call religion.
and really if you want answers... just look around you, you can see it.... it is life itself!
because , in the worst situations, in the worst times, someone will do the right thing...a good deed without caring for him or herself....
it does not happen often, because this generation is fuc#$ed, but it does happen still.
and als don't know if you have kids.... when my baby girl smiles at me, i know why i am here.... there is my answer, to me that is magic....
i respect people who believe.... but i do not think they use their own mind.
but it's just my opinion really.
LOL so b/c ppl believe in a certain thing or follow certain rules means they have never critically thought about them?
you ever think about the law or do you just blindly follow it?
chances are youve thought about at least some laws...
just b.c a person is religious doesnt mean they dont think critically about it.
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LOL so b/c ppl believe in a certain thing or follow certain rules means they have never critically thought about them?
you ever think about the law or do you just blindly follow it?
chances are youve thought about at least some laws...
just b.c a person is religious doesnt mean they dont think critically about it.
lol! you guys just do not seem to understans my point.
the law is mostly just common sense anyway.. do not steal, do not kill , etc etc...
i do not 'believe' in the law.... and certainly do not agree with every law, but that is a whole other point.
my point is, and i was brought up with christianity.... that these people do not use their own mind...
they believe in fairytales.
and no they do not think about it very criticly, if they did they would see it is all bullshit really.
as i said, both christianity and islam have their roots in judism.... fact!
now why are there wars all over the world?? because of the great religions... (mostly) also fact!
middle east.... religion
former yugoslavia religion
war on terror religion
and i can go on , and on
if it all comes from the same roots, why are they at war with each other?
religion i think..... and again i think... is just a tool to surpress people and engage in war...
really stupid if you think criticly about.
the bible, the koran, the tora... just books with guidelines to achieve a goal... ie getting in heaven..
or achieving a higher consciousness....
so they live a 'good' life not because of common sense , because wanting to be a good person.. but just because they are afraid to go to hell..... ie not achieve their goal...
ofcourse there are people who believe genuinly and are good people... but they are the exception.
a lot of them do not go to church, because they see the bullshit.
but we can go on and on about this....
it is my opinion.... based on experience and ofcourse the thoughts in my mind...
if you think otherwise, no problem!
free world, free mind..... ;D
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lol! you guys just do not seem to understans my point.
the law is mostly just common sense anyway.. do not steal, do not kill , etc etc...
i do not 'believe' in the law.... and certainly do not agree with every law, but that is a whole other point.
my point is, and i was brought up with christianity.... that these people do not use their own mind...
they believe in fairytales.
and no they do not think about it very criticly, if they did they would see it is all bullshit really.
as i said, both christianity and islam have their roots in judism.... fact!
now why are there wars all over the world?? because of the great religions... (mostly) also fact!
middle east.... religion
former yugoslavia religion
war on terror religion
and i can go on , and on
if it all comes from the same roots, why are they at war with each other?
religion i think..... and again i think... is just a tool to surpress people and engage in war...
really stupid if you think criticly about.
the bible, the koran, the tora... just books with guidelines to achieve a goal... ie getting in heaven..
or achieving a higher consciousness....
so they live a 'good' life not because of common sense , because wanting to be a good person.. but just because they are afraid to go to hell..... ie not achieve their goal...
ofcourse there are people who believe genuinly and are good people... but they are the exception.
a lot of them do not go to church, because they see the bullshit.
but we can go on and on about this....
it is my opinion.... based on experience and ofcourse the thoughts in my mind...
if you think otherwise, no problem!
free world, free mind..... ;D
I totally disagree with you, any person I know who is Christian has thought about it critically. The fact is sometimes its very hard to believe, its very hard to act like you feel you should in accordance with your values. ppl dont just blindly follow its in these hard times that you look at what you believe and why you believe it.
simply b/c ppl dont come to the same conclusion as you when they think critically about it doesnt mean they arent thinking critically...
you should try to open expand views and not lump everyone together.
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I totally disagree with you, any person I know who is Christian has thought about it critically. The fact is sometimes its very hard to believe, its very hard to act like you feel you should in accordance with your values. ppl dont just blindly follow its in these hard times that you look at what you believe and why you believe it.
simply b/c ppl dont come to the same conclusion as you when they think critically about it doesnt mean they arent thinking critically...
you should try to open expand views and not lump everyone together.
i am open... i said i respect your thoughts on the matter....
please do not say i am not open.
i just do not agree with you.
and to say most of the christian people you met have actually thought about their believe i think is a bit easy.
most people do not choose their religion , but are brought up with it.... are born in it.... not exactly a free and well thought of choice , is it?
fact is religion killed more people than any bomb or weapon ever did.
fact is religion is based on what??? books... written by who??? nobody knows...
also a new fact is that a lot of the books of the new testament are fals.... Bart Ehrman did research for his book, on the matter.
we can go on and on..... you obviously believe in these books... more power to you!
the way i see religion is as a tool, to surpress people , to steer them....
i do not believe in this type of a religion, i think it is all bullshit, so let's agree to disagree....
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i am open... i said i respect your thoughts on the matter....
please do not say i am not open.
i just do not agree with you.
and to say most of the christian people you met have actually thought about their believe i think is a bit easy.
most people do not choose their religion , but are brought up with it.... are born in it.... not exactly a free and well thought of choice , is it?
fact is religion killed more people than any bomb or weapon ever did.
fact is religion is based on what??? books... written by who??? nobody knows...
also a new fact is that a lot of the books of the new testament are fals.... Bart Ehrman did research for his book, on the matter.
we can go on and on..... you obviously believe in these books... more power to you!
the way i see religion is as a tool, to surpress people , to steer them....
i do not believe in this type of a religion, i think it is all bullshit, so let's agree to disagree....
agree most ppl are shown their religion early on but that again doesnt mean they do not think critically about their religion. This makes it even more so seeing as they mature they must rectify what happens in their lives with what theyve been taught which isnt always what were taught should happen. Trust me bud its alot easier to not believe than it is to believe, so for you to say that ppl dont think critically about a decision that they will at times struggle with is simply wrong.
LOL and religion has helped more ppl than non religous organizations will ever help, whats your point?
sooner or later if it hasnt already the tolls from wars fought having nothing to do with religion will grow larger than that of wars fought thousands of years ago. So you may want to do away with that talking point of yours.
I agree to disagree on the religion aspect of it bro, but again to think that ppl who believe in religion do not think critically about it is so ignorant that it must be called out.
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agree most ppl are shown their religion early on but that again doesnt mean they do not think critically about their religion. This makes it even more so seeing as they mature they must rectify what happens in their lives with what theyve been taught which isnt always what were taught should happen. Trust me bud its alot easier to not believe than it is to believe, so for you to say that ppl dont think critically about a decision that they will at times struggle with is simply wrong.
LOL and religion has helped more ppl than non religous organizations will ever help, whats your point?
sooner or later if it hasnt already the tolls from wars fought having nothing to do with religion will grow larger than that of wars fought thousands of years ago. So you may want to do away with that talking point of yours.
I agree to disagree on the religion aspect of it bro, but again to think that ppl who believe in religion do not think critically about it is so ignorant that it must be called out.
The majority of the people who i have met in church, school and whatever.... friends of mine who are muslim, others catholic, and others christian.... Orthodox , Prothestant... whatever.....
They do not critically about religion, if you think critically and open about religion you WILL see it is all bullshit...
And your point that not believing is easier then believing.... well where did i say i did not believe??
i just do not believe in these stupid religions based on books, written by??????? by whom? nobody knowes....
i rather think for myself , and not believe in a certain religion with guidelines how you should believe written in a book....
does not make sense...
so again, i do believe , just in my own way... as all people should do, think for themselfs....
that was my whole point.
you are welcome to not agree with me..... but the need to call me out..... why??
thatbis usually the problem with religion , they do not accept that other people have other ideas!
again a lot of wars started this way, because of peacefull 'religion'
i do enjoy this discussion however.....
have a good day
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The majority of the people who i have met in church, school and whatever.... friends of mine who are muslim, others catholic, and others christian.... Orthodox , Prothestant... whatever.....
They do not critically about religion, if you think critically and open about religion you WILL see it is all bullshit...
And your point that not believing is easier then believing.... well where did i say i did not believe??
i just do not believe in these stupid religions based on books, written by??????? by whom? nobody knowes....
i rather think for myself , and not believe in a certain religion with guidelines how you should believe written in a book....
does not make sense...
so again, i do believe , just in my own way... as all people should do, think for themselfs....
that was my whole point.
you are welcome to not agree with me..... but the need to call me out..... why??
thatbis usually the problem with religion , they do not accept that other people have other ideas!
again a lot of wars started this way, because of peacefull 'religion'
i do enjoy this discussion however.....
have a good day
The bold is exactly what ive been saying and you denied earlier but is actually exactly what i thought...
you think that anybody that thinks critically yet comes out with a conclusion opposite yours isnt thinking critically...this is ignorant beyond belief...
simply b/c someone doesnt come to the same conclusion as you doesnt mean they arent thinking critically about it.
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some people spend hours everyday of their live searching everything, studying everything imaginable, asking a billion question and for decades and at the end come to the conclusion that there is a God. To assess someones depth of analysis cause his conclusion does not match yours is wrong completely, wether their conclusion is right or wrong
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some people spend hours everyday of their live searching everything, studying everything imaginable, asking a billion question and for decades and at the end come to the conclusion that there is a God. To assess someones depth of analysis cause his conclusion does not match yours is wrong completely, wether their conclusion is right or wrong
exactly...
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exactly...
religion is based on books and stories...
written and told by whom? only god knows.. lol! ironic..
so..... just a bunch of stories and fairytales...
and people use these stories and fairytales as a reason to kill other people, to judge other people , etc etc..
what is so hard to understand ? think about it critically and you will see that it is all bullshit...
or i should say, i think it's all bullshit, and i think that you guys do not think critically and logical...
it is indeed my opinion, and i should not have generalised.
but to believe in these so called religion, and to say one has thought critically to me is really bullshit.... again i say, to me..
religion kills people , surpresses people, judges people, i could go on and on...
and why???? because of witten books... fairytales... written by unknown writers and proven to be false.
i do not question the fact if there is a higher being....
i question the man made religions! it is man made... a tool... and unfortunately a lot of people still do not see this.
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religion is based on books and stories...
written and told by whom? only god knows.. lol! ironic..
so..... just a bunch of stories and fairytales...
and people use these stories and fairytales as a reason to kill other people, to judge other people , etc etc..
what is so hard to understand ? think about it critically and you will see that it is all bullshit...
or i should say, i think it's all bullshit, and i think that you guys do not think critically and logical...
it is indeed my opinion, and i should not have generalised.
but to believe in these so called religion, and to say one has thought critically to me is really bullshit.... again i say, to me..
religion kills people , surpresses people, judges people, i could go on and on...
and why???? because of witten books... fairytales... written by unknown writers and proven to be false.
i do not question the fact if there is a higher being....
i question the man made religions! it is man made... a tool... and unfortunately a lot of people still do not see this.
this is extremely close-minded thinking. The reality is 90% of Christians probably think that who ever doesn't understand the Bible has not thought about it critically. What is the difference in saying that the stories of Alexander the great are fairytale cause written in a book, the Trojan wars are bs cause homer wrote them, the alchemed dynasty didn't occur. Sennacherib didn't rule Assyria cause it is written in a book Julius Caesar, Hannibal Barkus and the Punic wars, Socrates and all ancient Greek philosophers.
Actually the jokes on you cause you haven't read the Bible, you couldn't tell me one story probably, so you are the one that hasn't had enough critical thinking...if you did then you would come up with the following.
The Bibles accounts of the Assyrian Empire. Tiglath piliser, Sargon, Sennacherib, and essarhadon are extremely accurate..infact the way Sennacherib was killed by his 2 sons was later backed up by information found in the Ashurbanipal library
The Babylonion exile...Again proved fact, the Persian invasion, Greek rule followed by the powerful roman Empire. Archaeological finds like Jericho and the Davidic Empire also prove....Infact the tower of Babel was backed up by the historian Josephus who claims he saw the ruined foundation of it first hand. The list is endless. The Bible is a historical document that so far has not been proved wrong. So long for it being a fairy tale. Clearly you haven't put critical thinking into it.
Please shed light on who has poved the Bible false and in what regard, thank you
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this is extremely close-minded thinking. The reality is 90% of Christians probably think that who ever doesn't understand the Bible has not thought about it critically. What is the difference in saying that the stories of Alexander the great are fairytale cause written in a book, the Trojan wars are bs cause homer wrote them, the alchemed dynasty didn't occur. Sennacherib didn't rule Assyria cause it is written in a book Julius Caesar, Hannibal Barkus and the Punic wars, Socrates and all ancient Greek philosophers.
WHile I agree that people can believe what they want, and many intelligent, well respected people say they believe in the biblical god I have to take issue with your comparing writings of homer to the bible. Historically accepted works generally do not call upon us to suspend logic and natural laws in order to accept them at face value.
A common ploy by a christian apologist is to say "Prove Lincoln existed". I never met lincoln, so therefore all I know about Lincoln is what other people wrote about him. Same with the bible.. However for me to believe Lincoln existed does not require me to also accept that the sun stopped in the sky so a battle could be fought and won or a sea parted so Moses and his crew could escape Egypt or dead saints rose from their graves and walked through the city when Jesus was crucified or a man walked on water or raised the dead...
I hope you can see the difference.
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this is extremely close-minded thinking. The reality is 90% of Christians probably think that who ever doesn't understand the Bible has not thought about it critically. What is the difference in saying that the stories of Alexander the great are fairytale cause written in a book, the Trojan wars are bs cause homer wrote them, the alchemed dynasty didn't occur. Sennacherib didn't rule Assyria cause it is written in a book Julius Caesar, Hannibal Barkus and the Punic wars, Socrates and all ancient Greek philosophers.
Actually the jokes on you cause you haven't read the Bible, you couldn't tell me one story probably, so you are the one that hasn't had enough critical thinking...if you did then you would come up with the following.
The Bibles accounts of the Assyrian Empire. Tiglath piliser, Sargon, Sennacherib, and essarhadon are extremely accurate..infact the way Sennacherib was killed by his 2 sons was later backed up by information found in the Ashurbanipal library
The Babylonion exile...Again proved fact, the Persian invasion, Greek rule followed by the powerful roman Empire. Archaeological finds like Jericho and the Davidic Empire also prove....Infact the tower of Babel was backed up by the historian Josephus who claims he saw the ruined foundation of it first hand. The list is endless. The Bible is a historical document that so far has not been proved wrong. So long for it being a fairy tale. Clearly you haven't put critical thinking into it.
Please shed light on who has poved the Bible false and in what regard, thank you
lol!! the bible a historical document???
it is a book of symbolic stories! not meant to be taken as factual.
Bart Ehrman did research on the subject, and found a lot of conflicting facts.
it seems that a lot of the stories of the new testament are in fact false. google it if you wish.
you can call me close minded , no problem.
but calling the bible a historical document? no man, that was even one of the first things they tought us in church....
that it should be thought of as symbolic.... not factual.
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lol!! the bible a historical document???
it is a book of symbolic stories! not meant to be taken as factual.
Bart Ehrman did research on the subject, and found a lot of conflicting facts.
it seems that a lot of the stories of the new testament are in fact false. google it if you wish.
you can call me close minded , no problem.
but calling the bible a historical document? no man, that was even one of the first things they tought us in church....
that it should be thought of as symbolic.... not factual.
Thank you for keeping this civilized, I appreciate it considering I was expecting name calling, lol.... Yes I understand that you may weigh the evidence in favour, and I have no problem accepting that, but my problem is when you claim that not looking at it your way isn't critically thinking when in fact many smart people and university scholars have come up with a different conclusion having spent thousands of hours weighing all the options. Clearly a book with nearly a million words will yield different points of view. Also some of the best philosophers have used the proverbs in the bible. A historical book?...A fraction of the narrative is historical ( factual and literal) and events that can be backed up through other historical references and archaeology' This is why I think you never read it cause you would know that.
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Thank you for keeping this civilized, I appreciate it considering I was expecting name calling, lol.... Yes I understand that you may weigh the evidence in favour, and I have no problem accepting that, but my problem is when you claim that not looking at it your way isn't critically thinking when in fact many smart people and university scholars have come up with a different conclusion having spent thousands of hours weighing all the options. Clearly a book with nearly a million words will yield different points of view. Also some of the best philosophers have used the proverbs in the bible. A historical book?...A fraction of the narrative is historical ( factual and literal) and events that can be backed up through other historical references and archaeology' This is why I think you never read it cause you would know that.
namecalling?? no man why.... ? lol!
i do not mind a discussion, when talking to people with different opinions one can only learn.
i have my opinions , you have yours... no need for namecalling!
i spend my childhood reading the bible, and at school being read the stories.
of course some of the worlds historical facts are also evident in the bible..
but the religion part, in which many people believe, that is pure fiction.
jesus walks on water, divides a bread which ever keeps on dividing, makes people walk.. etc etc..
moses and his spreading see, the plagues.. which were also explaned by science.
samson and his hair, and many many stories.... nothing factual about these stories...
i will give it to you, that my opinion was a bit onesided perhaps. and indeed some people may think critically....
i just can not believe if one really does think critically about religion, why someone still does not see the bullshit...
all the wars, are usually about religion.
and it is, and was very much used as a tool to surpress people, here in europe in the middleages with catholicsm ( i know i misspelled that lol) they killed everybody that was considered a herretic.
nowadays with the islam, all the troubles.
also the bible/koran/tora.... all of them are full of racism, woman are being put down. homosexuality is judged. etc etc....
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WHile I agree that people can believe what they want, and many intelligent, well respected people say they believe in the biblical god I have to take issue with your comparing writings of homer to the bible. Historically accepted works generally do not call upon us to suspend logic and natural laws in order to accept them at face value.
A common ploy by a christian apologist is to say "Prove Lincoln existed". I never met lincoln, so therefore all I know about Lincoln is what other people wrote about him. Same with the bible.. However for me to believe Lincoln existed does not require me to also accept that the sun stopped in the sky so a battle could be fought and won or a sea parted so Moses and his crew could escape Egypt or dead saints rose from their graves and walked through the city when Jesus was crucified or a man walked on water or raised the dead...
I hope you can see the difference.
Again thank you for your intelligent post and yes you are right it shouldn't be classified with more recent history such as Lincoln, but the Odyssey and the Iliad have some crazy and bizarre supernatural stuff in them too, I've read them (awesome read).....A race of mutated cyclops.
While the majority of the Bible's historical narrative hasn't been discredited as the supernatural has, well ya I'll be the first to admit that the supernatural has to be accepted by faith alone.... I don't think there is a way I can prove to you someone walked on water. But there is a part of the human brain in everyone that wants to accept this, just look at how many TV programs there are on the supernatural, the Nostradamus effect, ghost hunters, UFO phenomenon, quantum mechanics..etc.. surely everyone that submits to these programs are all stupid, of course not
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namecalling?? no man why.... ? lol!
i do not mind a discussion, when talking to people with different opinions one can only learn.
i have my opinions , you have yours... no need for namecalling!
i spend my childhood reading the bible, and at school being read the stories.
of course some of the worlds historical facts are also evident in the bible..
but the religion part, in which many people believe, that is pure fiction.
jesus walks on water, divides a bread which ever keeps on dividing, makes people walk.. etc etc..
moses and his spreading see, the plagues.. which were also explaned by science.
samson and his hair, and many many stories.... nothing factual about these stories...
i will give it to you, that my opinion was a bit onesided perhaps. and indeed some people may think critically....
i just can not believe if one really does think critically about religion, why someone still does not see the bullshit...
all the wars, are usually about religion.
and it is, and was very much used as a tool to surpress people, here in europe in the middleages with catholicsm ( i know i misspelled that lol) they killed everybody that was considered a herretic.
nowadays with the islam, all the troubles.
also the bible/koran/tora.... all of them are full of racism, woman are being put down. homosexuality is judged. etc etc....
I can live with that lol ;D
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I can live with that lol ;D
;Dlol!!
if everybody was like us..... no more wars...
i always like a good discussion!
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Again thank you for your intelligent post and yes you are right it shouldn't be classified with more recent history such as Lincoln, but the Odyssey and the Iliad have some crazy and bizarre supernatural stuff in them too, I've read them (awesome read).....A race of mutated cyclops.
While the majority of the Bible's historical narrative hasn't been discredited as the supernatural has, well ya I'll be the first to admit that the supernatural has to be accepted by faith alone.... I don't think there is a way I can prove to you someone walked on water. But there is a part of the human brain in everyone that wants to accept this, just look at how many TV programs there are on the supernatural, the Nostradamus effect, ghost hunters, UFO phenomenon, quantum mechanics..etc.. surely everyone that submits to these programs are all stupid, of course not
For a non believer who spends any time thinking about it (some don't) it does cause some questions to occur..
Personally, I believe we are conditioned from childhood to believe in the supernatural. First there is Santa Clause, who defies laws of physics delivering presents to every child who is good in a 24 hr period.
Then we enter sunday school as children and are taught about the bible. Adults we respect and love back up the teachings as truth. Questioning is frowned upon and generally answered with a caution about the dangers of doubting God, then with "well, god works in mysterious ways" when the answer is either too harsh to understand, or too vague to make sense.
If we look at cultures around the world, it is undeniable that a christian baby born of christian parents in Kansas will more likely be Christian when it grows up than any other religion. A baby born to buddhist in China will more likely be buddhist than any other religion. A baby born to Muslims in...well you get the point. It is a very good indicator that cultures and who we were born to have a great impact on what we believe as adults. ..
As far as other supernatural beliefs like believing some people communicate with the dead, or ghosts etc etc.. I think stems from people having a HUGE survival instinct. It is very primal and basic and goes back millions of years. I think the belief in afterlife ties in with our need to ultimately survive..
But you know, I could be wrong. I do believe that the biblical god doesn't exist based on my own personal research but I don't rule out something exists greater than us. I don't currently believe that, but I probably wouldn't be surprised if I was off on that one.
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religion is based on books and stories...
written and told by whom? only god knows.. lol! ironic..
so..... just a bunch of stories and fairytales...
and people use these stories and fairytales as a reason to kill other people, to judge other people , etc etc..
what is so hard to understand ? think about it critically and you will see that it is all bullshit...
or i should say, i think it's all bullshit, and i think that you guys do not think critically and logical...
it is indeed my opinion, and i should not have generalised.
but to believe in these so called religion, and to say one has thought critically to me is really bullshit.... again i say, to me..
religion kills people , surpresses people, judges people, i could go on and on...
and why???? because of witten books... fairytales... written by unknown writers and proven to be false.
i do not question the fact if there is a higher being....
i question the man made religions! it is man made... a tool... and unfortunately a lot of people still do not see this.
you can think that others may have the wrong conclusion, but to think that somebody has not thought critically about something simply b/c they didnt come to the same conclusion is AGAIN IGNORANT BEYOND BELIEF!!!!!!!
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you can think that others may have the wrong conclusion, but to think that somebody has not thought critically about something simply b/c they didnt come to the same conclusion is AGAIN IGNORANT BEYOND BELIEF!!!!!!!
look, i already said , my conclusion was a bit onesided...
you should read ALL of my post before jumping to conclusions.
religion is bullshit to me, believing in something is not... you clearly can not tell the difference..
and indeed i have a hard time thinking if someone had thought critically about religion, and is than unable to see the bullshit, i do not think they have thuoght very critically.
it's a free world anybody is entitled to their opinion.
i never called anybody ignorant or stupid or whatever..
always keep it civilized.
you do not agree with me, well that is fine !
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look, i already said , my conclusion was a bit onesided...
you should read ALL of my post before jumping to conclusions.
religion is bullshit to me, believing in something is not... you clearly can not tell the difference..
and indeed i have a hard time thinking if someone had thought critically about religion, and is than unable to see the bullshit, i do not think they have thuoght very critically.
it's a free world anybody is entitled to their opinion.
i never called anybody ignorant or stupid or whatever..
always keep it civilized.
you do not agree with me, well that is fine !
I did indeed read what youve said...
the part where you said you were open...turned out to be false
the part where you said that you dont think they didnt think critically b/c they came up with a different conclusion...also turned out to be false...
which part should i pay attention to the part where you make an ascertion or the part where you back off of that ascertion?
either way as long as you now can admit that youre being one sided and not open thats what i was getting at.
as far as religion i already agreed to disagree
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I did indeed read what youve said...
the part where you said you were open...turned out to be false
the part where you said that you dont think they didnt think critically b/c they came up with a different conclusion...also turned out to be false...
which part should i pay attention to the part where you make an ascertion or the part where you back off of that ascertion?
either way as long as you now can admit that youre being one sided and not open thats what i was getting at.
as far as religion i already agreed to disagree
i did not say i do not think they have not thought about it critically.
i said i was a bit onesided. As in tunnelvision , sure there will be a few that have thought about it critically.
i just have a big problem with believing that, the reasons i mentioned earlier.
not open???? lol! man i am talking to you aren't i?
i did not call you ignorant or closeminded. you did, and still i am talking to you in a civilized manner.
and i certainly do not have to admit anything, lol! man really sounds like very childish.
different minds, different ideas.
i do not speak my mind to offend anybody , so do not take it that way.
religion is based on beleiving in something, so thinking logically and critically about that is very hard.
and there are facts i have mentioned that you can check for yourself.
a lot of books of the new testament are false.
a lot of stories are clear fairytales, men do not walk on water, seas do not split on command, and goliath was just a big dude and not a giant, etc etc etc.
i mean how can you think critically about stuff like that and than still take religion serious?
i am talking about religion, and not faith..... not the same...
do you understand what my point is?
again this is not an attack, so please do not take it that way.
just healthy discussion....
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i did not say i do not think they have not thought about it critically.
i said i was a bit onesided. As in tunnelvision , sure there will be a few that have thought about it critically.
i just have a big problem with believing that, the reasons i mentioned earlier.
not open???? lol! man i am talking to you aren't i?
i did not call you ignorant or closeminded. you did, and still i am talking to you in a civilized manner.
and i certainly do not have to admit anything, lol! man really sounds like very childish.
different minds, different ideas.
i do not speak my mind to offend anybody , so do not take it that way.
religion is based on beleiving in something, so thinking logically and critically about that is very hard.
and there are facts i have mentioned that you can check for yourself.
a lot of books of the new testament are false.
a lot of stories are clear fairytales, men do not walk on water, seas do not split on command, and goliath was just a big dude and not a giant, etc etc etc.
i mean how can you think critically about stuff like that and than still take religion serious?
i am talking about religion, and not faith..... not the same...
do you understand what my point is?
again this is not an attack, so please do not take it that way.
just healthy discussion....
No but the universes magically sprung open into existence, or 1 element magically turns into all the elements on the periodic table. No matter how you slice it somewhere down the line you have to believe in the supernatural, something occur ed in the past that fits your description of fairy tale wether it being the big bang or God, think about it there is no possible way our natural laws can explain our existenc, hocus pocus has to be present somewhere no matter what
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No but the universes magically sprung open into existence, or 1 element magically turns into all the elements on the periodic table. No matter how you slice it somewhere down the line you have to believe in the supernatural, something occur ed in the past that fits your description of fairy tale wether it being the big bang or God, think about it there is no possible way our natural laws can explain our existenc, hocus pocus has to be present somewhere no matter what
agreed.
i was just making an example to clearify my point.
i never said i do not believe in something.
i only said i have a problem with religion.
religion is not the same as faith.
i have faith,i just choose to reject religion as i can see the nonsense of it.
if 'god' exist i do not think he would be to happy with our wars over religion, killing in the name of religion, judging people in the name of religion. etc etc etc.
that is and was my whole point.
offcourse there is something , i like to think of it as the force of nature itself.
i mean apart from all the ugly stuff, such as hunger, wars, poverty etc etc... the world can be a beautyfull place. the magic is around us everyday.
humanity just hardly sees it anymore.
i can see it when my babygirl smiles at me..... i forget all the bullshit going on in my life.. magic right there..