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Recently Time magazine did an article explaining what most scientists believe, that by around 2045-2050 there will exist the technology to stop us aging and likely reverse aging, meaning we wont die, cancers and diseases will be eradicated meaning that unless you have an accident, your living forever, or unless man destroys earth, the solar system we move in to etc.With that in mind will you not be kicking yourself if you reach say 2035 and you have a year to live, if you've given yourself cancer from smoking?Liver disease from drinking?Fuck up your kidneys with bodybuilding drugs?Shortened your lifespan by 20 years by gorging large amounts of food and drugs?Just something to think about with this "your only young once" very backward and not forward way of thinking, the next 50 years will likely eclipse the previous 10,000 in scientific evolution.
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Recently Time magazine did an article explaining what most scientists believe, that by around 2045-2050 there will exist the technology to stop us aging and likely reverse aging, meaning we wont die, cancers and diseases will be eradicated meaning that unless you have an accident, your living forever, or unless man destroys earth, the solar system we move in to etc.With that in mind will you not be kicking yourself if you reach say 2035 and you have a year to live, if you've given yourself cancer from smoking?Liver disease from drinking?Fuck up your kidneys with bodybuilding drugs?Shortened your lifespan by 20 years by gorging large amounts of food and drugs?Just something to think about with this "your only young once" very backward and not forward way of thinking, the next 50 years will likely eclipse the previous 10,000 in scientific evolution.
Very unlikely. Even if such technology existed by then only the super rich would have access to it.
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Very unlikely. Even if such technology existed by then only the super rich would have access to it.
Think about walking up to someone in 1960 and whipping out an iphone, telling them its more powerful than the largest computer they currently possess, then tell them in the time you are from it can be bought with the average weeks wages, their minds would likely not be able to comprehend it.
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Recently Time magazine did an article explaining what most scientists believe, that by around 2045-2050 there will exist the technology to stop us aging and likely reverse aging, meaning we wont die, cancers and diseases will be eradicated meaning that unless you have an accident, your living forever, or unless man destroys earth, the solar system we move in to etc.With that in mind will you not be kicking yourself if you reach say 2035 and you have a year to live, if you've given yourself cancer from smoking?Liver disease from drinking?Fuck up your kidneys with bodybuilding drugs?Shortened your lifespan by 20 years by gorging large amounts of food and drugs?Just something to think about with this "your only young once" very backward and not forward way of thinking, the next 50 years will likely eclipse the previous 10,000 in scientific evolution.
Won't be allowed to happen.
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Think about walking up to someone in 1960 and whipping out an iphone, telling them its more powerful than the largest computer they currently possess, then tell them in the time you are from it can be bought with the average weeks wages, their minds would likely not be able to comprehend it.
Technology is quite a different animal than biological advancement.
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Probably won't happen so soon. Even if it would be otherwise possible, stupid 'ethic codes' stop the developing of such a technology...
It will happen at some point. Would happen even soon if allowed. Now we won't allow even fkin' cloning humans - it would pretty much be possible already.
I would with no hesitation take part of such a treatment. I hate aging. I've hated it since 15.
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If that is the case we will have to start populating other solar systems soon like the moon and Planet Falconia 8)
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Recently Time magazine did an article explaining what most scientists believe, that by around 2045-2050 there will exist the technology to stop us aging and likely reverse aging, meaning we wont die, cancers and diseases will be eradicated meaning that unless you have an accident, your living forever, or unless man destroys earth, the solar system we move in to etc.With that in mind will you not be kicking yourself if you reach say 2035 and you have a year to live, if you've given yourself cancer from smoking?Liver disease from drinking?Fuck up your kidneys with bodybuilding drugs?Shortened your lifespan by 20 years by gorging large amounts of food and drugs?Just something to think about with this "your only young once" very backward and not forward way of thinking, the next 50 years will likely eclipse the previous 10,000 in scientific evolution.
Yeap, like President Nixon declared publicly that cancer would be curable within the next 5 years. That was in 1971. ;)
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"Here's what the exponential curves told him. We will successfully reverse-engineer the human brain by the mid-2020s. By the end of that decade, computers will be capable of human-level intelligence. Kurzweil puts the date of the Singularity — never say he's not conservative — at 2045. In that year, he estimates, given the vast increases in computing power and the vast reductions in the cost of same, the quantity of artificial intelligence created will be about a billion times the sum of all the human intelligence that exists today."
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"For example, it's well known that one cause of the physical degeneration associated with aging involves telomeres, which are segments of DNA found at the ends of chromosomes. Every time a cell divides, its telomeres get shorter, and once a cell runs out of telomeres, it can't reproduce anymore and dies. But there's an enzyme called telomerase that reverses this process; it's one of the reasons cancer cells live so long. So why not treat regular non-cancerous cells with telomerase? In November, researchers at Harvard Medical School announced in Nature that they had done just that. They administered telomerase to a group of mice suffering from age-related degeneration. The damage went away. The mice didn't just get better; they got younger.
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http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2048138,00.html
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Ray Kurzweil is one far out cat, I dig his synthesizers.
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Think about walking up to someone in 1960 and whipping out an iphone, telling them its more powerful than the largest computer they currently possess, then tell them in the time you are from it can be bought with the average weeks wages, their minds would likely not be able to comprehend it.
A portable phone/computer is not very far fetched, we were suppose to have flying cars by 2010. Modern medicine doesn't even have a grasp on the human brain, I wouldn't cross my fingers on life extension.
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Computers are a poor metric for this conversation anyway. CPU power grows exponentially in time, medical knowledge does not.
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I don't know about all of that but I'd bet we {and that includes me too) are going to live to see 100+ and we won't be feeble pieces of shit....except of course people like Dj 181 who already are feeble peices of shit
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A portable phone/computer is not very far fetched, we were suppose to have flying cars by 2010. Modern medicine doesn't even have a grasp on the human brain, I wouldn't cross my fingers on life extension.
Not very far fetched?lol the iphone looks and performs better than the computers on the starship enterprise, instead of flashing lights it has a touch based screen that shows high quality graphics and able to make video calls, track where you are, play music etc, even kirks flip voice thing sucked compared to it, that was the best they could IMAGINE in that time.
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Will the Mexicans/Guatemalans be able to live longer also? ???
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Will the Mexicans/Guatemalans be able to live longer also? ???
Yes, further reducing labor prices due to increased competition.
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Not very far fetched?lol the iphone looks and performs better than the computers on the starship enterprise, instead of flashing lights it has a touch based scren that shows high quality graphics and able to make video calls, track where you are, play music etc, even kirks flip voice thing sucked compared to it, that was the best they could IMAGINE in that time.
So in 50 years, our big accomplishment was an iphone? We better pick up the pace if you're expecting life extension technology in 40 years.
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http://www.ted.com/talks/aubrey_de_grey_says_we_can_avoid_aging.html
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So in 50 years, our big accomplishment was an iphone? We better pick up the pace if you're expecting life extension technology in 40 years.
Except tech improvements arnt linear, progresses stack on top of each other leading to far more than say a 1% increase in overall improvement per year.
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http://www.ted.com/talks/aubrey_de_grey_says_we_can_avoid_aging.html
same video
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You realize the world is running out of food and water and fossil fuels right? The LAST thing you are going to see is a cure for the aging process. We would completely overpopulate the planet within 20 years flat.
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Think about walking up to someone in 1960 and whipping out an iphone, telling them its more powerful than the largest computer they currently possess, then tell them in the time you are from it can be bought with the average weeks wages, their minds would likely not be able to comprehend it.
who in 1960 had a computer?
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They're gonna have to spade or nuder us first.
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now getbiggers can wait 100yrs to finally approach a girl ;D
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Fuck! I'm over 35...can I bargain for a few centuries?
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So does this mean you can now juice all you want without any repercussions?
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So does this mean you can now juice all you want without any repercussions?
Yep. Instead of "Dead by 35", we'd say, "Dead in 99,999 years"
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Ronnie will be guestposing forever.
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Ronnie will be guestposing forever.
I also see good things for the Dorian vs Ronnie debate
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What was that movie with that hottie Scarlet Johansen?
People paid to clone themselves for bodyparts that failed throughout their aging years. Something like that. She was freakin hot in that movie.
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What was that movie with that hottie Scarlet Johansen?
People paid to clone themselves for bodyparts that failed throughout their aging years. Something like that. She was freakin hot in that movie.
http://tinyurl.com/6eomofh
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What was that movie with that hottie Scarlet Johansen?
People paid to clone themselves for bodyparts that failed throughout their aging years. Something like that. She was freakin hot in that movie.
The Island
Good movie
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The Island
Good movie
I thought it sucked, I got to about 10 minutes after they escaped the compound and turned it off.
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I thought it sucked, I got to about 10 minutes after they escaped the compound and turned it off.
I thought it had a good pace and action, plus a decent plot and cast. The second half of the movie was better than the first anyway.
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I thought it had a good pace and action, plus a decent plot and cast. The second half of the movie was better than the first anyway.
What are your serious thoughts on the thread topic, Kiwiol? you are an intelligent guy, be interesting to hear your thoughts.
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humans will destroy themselves
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Unlikely it'll happen - I mean, according to Back to the Future II, we were supposed to have hoverboards by 2015. I can't see that happening somehow. ;D
Nah but seriously, who in 1985 predicted the internet?
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What are your serious thoughts on the thread topic, Kiwiol? you are an intelligent guy, be interesting to hear your thoughts.
I'd like to read the original article in full first. I don't think it's possible to conquer death so much as it is to slow down ageing and increase human lifespan by maybe a few tens or even hundred of years, at least in 30-40 years. Stem cell technology could be advanced enough to let us get things like organs and even hair, if we damage or lose the same and need a replacement.
But things like an AI singularity and conquering death still seem pretty far away, if even possible, IMO.
You got a link or a scan of the article?
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I'd like to read the original article in full first. I don't think it's possible to conquer death so much as it is to slow down ageing and increase human lifespan by maybe a few tens or even hundred of years, at least in 30-40 years. Stem cell technology could be advanced enough to let us get things like organs and even hair, if we damage or lose it and need a replacement.
But things like an AI singularity and conquering death still seem pretty far away, if even possible, IMO.
You got a link or a scan of the article?
Kurzweil's thesis is really not applicable in the non-technological domain afaik. I agree with you on this, not least of which because you are TEG.
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Kurzweil's thesis is really not applicable in the non-technological domain afaik. I agree with you on this, not least of which because you are TEG.
Not familiar with Kurzweil, but I'll look him up. What is his thesis that you say is not applicable to a non-technological domain?
The reason I mentioned death and an AI singularity is because overcoming or even understanding them requires an incredible amount of knowledge and know how about multiple phenomenon, from sub-atomic reality to complex brain functions and so on, in a lot of which we are still in a very "infantile" level of development. It isn't like working on increasing the processing capacity of a computer chip, where your field of application is fairly narrowed and you're "simply" working on improving your current model.
Army of One talks about the iPhone being more advanced than what was imagined 50 years ago, which is true, but not everything progresses exponentially or even linearly. For example, the sound barrier was broken decades ago, but we are VERY far from even approaching the light barrier, let alone be capable of breaking it (if it is even possible - I'm talking manned flights). Our understanding of the physics and underlying science of the issue itself hasn't been resolved or even proved yet. Things like death and AI are probably about the same.
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the only reason we are afraid of dying is that we dont know if or what is happening after if there is an after, lets assume what ever after would be an eternity better than our life right now,
lets imagine you are 100% happy all the time with the people that you love most... why would you like to "life" forever?
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Some people fear dead. ;)
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Ronnie will be guestposing forever.
Gold ;D
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Who wants to live forever ?
I want to see my kid grow up , maybe some grandchildren then I'm ready to go.
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Who wants to live forever ?
I want to see my kid grow up , maybe some grandchildren then I'm ready to go.
200 years ago that would be an rare occurence for someone to see their grandchildren grow up given their much shorter average lifespans. So your idea of an ideal lifespan is very different than theirs. Imagine what people 100 years from now would consider a good lifespan to be?
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Who wants to live forever ?
I want to see my kid bang Argentinian, Brazilian women, make millions at sports, maybe some grandchildren then I'm ready to go.
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I agree.
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I agree.
Haha
(http://images.imagefap.com/images/thumb/25/168/168183662.gif)
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Haha
(http://images.imagefap.com/images/thumb/25/168/168183662.gif)
:o :o :D :D
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Think about walking up to someone in 1960 and whipping out an iphone, telling them its more powerful than the largest computer they currently possess, then tell them in the time you are from it can be bought with the average weeks wages, their minds would likely not be able to comprehend it.
Quoted for MotherfuckAlphamale truth.
With cloud computing gaining momentum, it's just a matter of time before a develop a system large enough to run DNA predictability which will lead to basically understanding every possible protein combination.... aminos arrangements, to mystery of life, soon to be solved.
End of the story. Armed Me with One = good poster lately, looks like he leaves his dildo in the drawer nowadays...
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who in 1960 had a computer?
NASA
The SSP
Some universities probably
......that's about it.
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NASA
The SSP
Some universities probably
......that's about it.
Exactly. Moore's law is what it is all about.. .the rest just follows.
in a couple of decades... this is the guy that will replace Jeaysus when it comes to worshiping; the single greatest invention in the world.. the microprocessor that changes everything... and it's just getting started..
(http://cdn.calisphere.org/affiliates/images/cstcli/kt9t1nd1bq/hi-res/SVHO2004-0683.jpg)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcian_Hoff
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The advances in bio technology within the last decade is incredible. Within a few decades we can probably grow and replace whole organs. Brain are a little trickier but they will come in time too.
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The advances in bio technology within the last decade is incredible. Within a few decades we can probably grow and replace whole organs. Brain are a little trickier but they will come in time too.
obviously you haven't seen "The sixth Day" ::)
;D
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Recently Time magazine did an article explaining what most scientists believe, that by around 2045-2050 there will exist the technology to stop us aging and likely reverse aging, meaning we wont die, cancers and diseases will be eradicated meaning that unless you have an accident, your living forever, or unless man destroys earth, the solar system we move in to etc.With that in mind will you not be kicking yourself if you reach say 2035 and you have a year to live, if you've given yourself cancer from smoking?Liver disease from drinking?Fuck up your kidneys with bodybuilding drugs?Shortened your lifespan by 20 years by gorging large amounts of food and drugs?Just something to think about with this "your only young once" very backward and not forward way of thinking, the next 50 years will likely eclipse the previous 10,000 in scientific evolution.
i realized this today as i guzzled my 5th gallon of water realizing i had infinite energy as long as i drank it despite having to piss alot its a fair trade off to live forever
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i realized this today as i guzzled my 5th gallon of water realizing i had infinite energy as long as i drank it despite having to piss alot its a fair trade off to live forever
Failcan and I made a pact that once our hoes are dead (ETA early 90's) we'll move in together for eternity, mini punch all day and throw around crazy vocals.
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Failcan and I made a pact that once our hoes are dead (ETA early 90's) we'll move in together for eternity, mini punch all day and throw around crazy vocals.
hell yes! Ive been practicing my punches on the new fight night on xbox online! i feel knowing the tactics in they game will help me beat little falcons!
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hell yes! Ive been practicing my punches on the new fight night on xbox online! i feel knowing the tactics in they game will help me beat little falcons!
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yung 11yos online falcons laughing with little voices on Xbox live can be very frustrating.. been spending too much time on counter strike lately ;D
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I don't know about all of that but I'd bet we {and that includes me too) are going to live to see 100+ and we won't be feeble pieces of shit....except of course people like Dj 181 who already are feeble peices of shit
I know I will...
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Some people fear dead. ;)
All people fear dead, except those that are already dead. The others fear the aging process. It is a hell of an adaptation to have to come to terms with.
All people worry, and it is usually regarding these topics, they just don't consciously know it.
Remember the song at the beginning of Pumping Iron that kept playing in the background throughout its entirety?
"Everybody wants to live forever..."
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Hell, I would be satisfied with growing older with a full head of hair and with a supply of viagra. Screw living forever to see mankind exterminate each other when resources we take for granted this day in age will be limited...
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same video
I watched this, very good thanks for posting.
I believe he would get his point across better as a speaker if he slowed down a little, especially with the jokes as his speech is written very very well. However he is more of a scientist than a presenter and still does a good job.
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Recently Time magazine did an article explaining what most scientists believe, that by around 2045-2050 there will exist the technology to stop us aging and likely reverse aging, meaning we wont die, cancers and diseases will be eradicated meaning that unless you have an accident, your living forever, or unless man destroys earth, the solar system we move in to etc.With that in mind will you not be kicking yourself if you reach say 2035 and you have a year to live, if you've given yourself cancer from smoking?Liver disease from drinking?Fuck up your kidneys with bodybuilding drugs?Shortened your lifespan by 20 years by gorging large amounts of food and drugs?Just something to think about with this "your only young once" very backward and not forward way of thinking, the next 50 years will likely eclipse the previous 10,000 in scientific evolution.
This is a 120+ IQ post in a board where the average IQ is 75, so it will fall on deaf ears...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Recently Time magazine did an article explaining what most scientists believe, that by around 2045-2050 there will exist the technology to stop us aging and likely reverse aging, meaning we wont die, cancers and diseases will be eradicated meaning that unless you have an accident, your living forever, or unless man destroys earth, the solar system we move in to etc.With that in mind will you not be kicking yourself if you reach say 2035 and you have a year to live, if you've given yourself cancer from smoking?Liver disease from drinking?Fuck up your kidneys with bodybuilding drugs?Shortened your lifespan by 20 years by gorging large amounts of food and drugs?Just something to think about with this "your only young once" very backward and not forward way of thinking, the next 50 years will likely eclipse the previous 10,000 in scientific evolution.
Yup. They've been making tremendous gains lately in that field. I think it's called the Methusela If not, it would be wise to freeze yourself until they can and then live forever.
Who wants to rot in the ground for eternity? Of course, when you're pushing 90 you probably want to do nothing but sleep so I suppose your perspective changes.
The Methusela Foundation (could be wrong on the name) has a contest for longest-living genetically engineered and non-engineered mice and they keep living longer and longer.
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Recently Time magazine did an article explaining what most scientists believe, that by around 2045-2050 there will exist the technology to stop us aging and likely reverse aging, meaning we wont die, cancers and diseases will be eradicated meaning that unless you have an accident, your living forever, or unless man destroys earth, the solar system we move in to etc.With that in mind will you not be kicking yourself if you reach say 2035 and you have a year to live, if you've given yourself cancer from smoking?Liver disease from drinking?Fuck up your kidneys with bodybuilding drugs?Shortened your lifespan by 20 years by gorging large amounts of food and drugs?Just something to think about with this "your only young once" very backward and not forward way of thinking, the next 50 years will likely eclipse the previous 10,000 in scientific evolution.
if that happens, stop not reverse. So you would be stuck in an 85 yo body forever. ;D
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Where are the Methuselahs? They lived to be nearly 1000 years old by the grace of God. I just don't know who'd want to... unless they were helping to "proliferate" teh earth the whole time (which I think they were)
Can you imagine the knowledge one would gain in that kind of lifetime?
Good thing Getbig wasn't around then.
gh15 will have to do for now I gues..... ::)
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who would want to live forever, you know how bored you would get with life, you see old people bored to shit with life already, if you lived to 200 years old you would have done everything in life already 100 times over. Unless some new drugs come out you could get high off of, that would be the only thing to look forward to.
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also you would have to be like that guy in terminator salvation that gets rebuilt when he get's beat up, he has half human brain half machine, because our brain will eventually need replacing and all our bones will break or get very fragile, just not possible even with growth hormone. You need to replace human body parts and all that shit, won't happen ever, man will kill itself before this happens.
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What if you injected stem cells right into your own face?
Hang on, I'm going to go try it. I'll get back to you guys.
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Kurzweil is a lunatic. Artificial intelligence is a complete failure, as people will tell you who actually work in this area. For 50 years they have predicted that in 10 years we will have computers which are more intelligent than humans. In reality, computers are still the same and will always be: stupid, passive processing units.
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Kurzweil is a lunatic. Artificial intelligence is a complete failure, as people will tell you who actually work in this area. For 50 years they have predicted that in 10 years we will have computers which are more intelligent than humans. In reality, computers are still the same and will always be: stupid, passive processing units.
Kurzweil might be crazy, I give you that. But he has a good counter argument against this argument. He has brought up that no matter what computers do (play chess, drive a car, do a surgery...) people then decide that the task doesn't require real intelligence because a computer can do it.
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"Live fast, die young"
FUCK THAT!.... Live fast die OLD!
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Kurzweil is a lunatic. Artificial intelligence is a complete failure, as people will tell you who actually work in this area. For 50 years they have predicted that in 10 years we will have computers which are more intelligent than humans. In reality, computers are still the same and will always be: stupid, passive processing units.
Links?
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Most of you mouthy twats won't make it to 35!!
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Recently Time magazine did an article explaining what most scientists believe, that by around 2045-2050 there will exist the technology to stop us aging and likely reverse aging, meaning we wont die, cancers and diseases will be eradicated meaning that unless you have an accident, your living forever, or unless man destroys earth, the solar system we move in to etc.With that in mind will you not be kicking yourself if you reach say 2035 and you have a year to live, if you've given yourself cancer from smoking?Liver disease from drinking?Fuck up your kidneys with bodybuilding drugs?Shortened your lifespan by 20 years by gorging large amounts of food and drugs?Just something to think about with this "your only young once" very backward and not forward way of thinking, the next 50 years will likely eclipse the previous 10,000 in scientific evolution.
no we are all gonna die at 35 because of roid use
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Nobody knows what happens when you die.
Maybe it's the greatest thing ever.
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Nobody knows what happens when you die.
But there's surely not a shortage of opinion.
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Whether you think it will happen or not, theres enough credible believers in this level of advancement happening, in this timeframe, to warrant seriously living your life in a way to maximise your life expectancy.If someone told you that you had even a 20% chance of winning 20 Million on the lottery in your lifetime, would you not do all that you could to try and win it?
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But there's surely not a shortage of opinion.
Truer words were never posted.
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Death and taxes.
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Kurzweil might be crazy, I give you that. But he has a good counter argument against this argument. He has brought up that no matter what computers do (play chess, drive a car, do a surgery...) people then decide that the task doesn't require real intelligence because a computer can do it.
XD...
I actually started a thread on this some time ago. Kurzweil keeps repeating that we will have full-blown A.I by 2029 and that we already have "limited A.I". Bullshit. What we have now, as we had in 1943 when the first computer went in operation, are machines that execute a program. There has been no progress in this area since John Von Neumann published his "The Computer And the Brain" paper back in 1954 when he suggested that the difference between computer intelligence and Human awareness is not merely a difference in programming, but also a difference in architecture. Just because the machine can read Human facial expressions to a limited degree or interpret statments that might be seen as a deceit does not make them self-aware because it is still executing a program. No matter how sophisticated the computer is, it is always executing a program and it can never break free of the orginal programming. A Human learns new things and decides what to do with the information. Humans are self-programming. A computer, even an extremely sophisticated one that utilizes billions of lines of code and can learn new information and utilize it to solve problems that are not clear cut, having flexibility of thought, will only be as flexible within the parameters that it was programmed to be, and it can never ponder outside those parameters. A self-aware computer would need to have no parameters(programming) just like a Human. Humans can decide what to do with the information they learn, that is, Humans are self-programming. The only constraints on Humans are personality traits, which are not really clear-cut paramaters but rather restrains on actions rather than on thinking. A shy person will never decide(Self-program) to climb Mount Everest, because fear will preclude him. But this is not a constraint as severe as the parameters of a computer program, and the person can ponder what it would be like to climb Everest and visit it through other means, such as pictures and videos of people climbing it. A computer would never decide to do something outside the parameters it is programmed within.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Meltdown
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The current computer technology is not even close to mimicking the intelligence of the simplest neuron systems.
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Technology will be sophisticated enough when blow up dolls rival the female terminator.
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Whether you think it will happen or not, theres enough credible believers in this level of advancement happening, in this timeframe, to warrant seriously living your life in a way to maximise your life expectancy.If someone told you that you had even a 20% chance of winning 20 Million on the lottery in your lifetime, would you not do all that you could to try and win it?
lol no way, who cares about money, doesn't make you happy. It would be nice, but wouldn't change any way of living.
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lol no way, who cares about money, doesn't make you happy. It would be nice, but wouldn't change any way of living.
You are so wrong.
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Kurzweil might be crazy, I give you that. But he has a good counter argument against this argument. He has brought up that no matter what computers do (play chess, drive a car, do a surgery...) people then decide that the task doesn't require real intelligence because a computer can do it.
The argument is that computers cannot have any intelligence, none whatsoever. A passive machine processing a series of operations can never be intelligent, it defys the very term. Neuronal networks, self modifying software, massive parallel processing, fuzzy logic, etc. it's all the same, all equivalent to a Von Neumann machine.
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Links?
Too long ago that I studied the stuff but that's what our professor (a specialist in neuronal networks) told us. Philosophically it's nonsense in any case of course.
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there s just a problem with all of this. If you can live forever, you lose the taste for life, and good and evil dont make sense at all anymore.
Also we will be able to create happy people by knowing how hapiness works in the brain by managing chemicals.
There are things we shouldnt have played with.
Knowning might actually lead us to not want to know.
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Very unlikely. Even if such technology existed by then only the super rich would have access to it.
;D
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Nobody knows what happens when you die.
Maybe it's the greatest thing ever.
yeah, life couldnt exist if we knew what happens after death. And what if nothing happens?
Fact is we built tons of beliefs that make us believe we have to act good, and that we have to survive at all costs. What if mankind is actually a mistake of evolution, as were dinosaurs? What if our intelligence is in fact going to destroy us?
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The argument is that computers cannot have any intelligence, none whatsoever. A passive machine processing a series of operations can never be intelligent, it defys the very term. Neuronal networks, self modifying software, massive parallel processing, fuzzy logic, etc. it's all the same, all equivalent to a Von Neumann machine.
Even if we accept that premise, it doesn't change the current situation or the future. Computers are learning (programming goes forward) new things in accelerating fashion. When they know enough, they pass as humans or something even greater.
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Even if we accept that premise, it doesn't change the current situation or the future. Computers are learning (programming goes forward) new things in accelerating fashion. When they know enough, they pass as humans or something even greater.
"Programming goes forward" != "Computers are learning".
They do not and will never "know" anything. Knowing implies consciousness.
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"Programming goes forward" != "Computers are learning".
They do not and will never "know" anything. Knowing implies consciousness.
Would you say consciousness relates to the concept of free will?
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Would you say consciousness relates to the concept of free will?
Same thing, the latter implies the former.
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Same thing, the latter implies the former.
So if free will indeed is an illusion, would that mean that our brains are mere computers?
Is the whole concept of consciousness just a construct of our mind?
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consciousness is in itself the result of preprogrammed patterns which evolved after billions of years...
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Recently Time magazine did an article explaining what most scientists believe, that by around 2045-2050 there will exist the technology to stop us aging and likely reverse aging, meaning we wont die, cancers and diseases will be eradicated meaning that unless you have an accident, your living forever, or unless man destroys earth, the solar system we move in to etc.With that in mind will you not be kicking yourself if you reach say 2035 and you have a year to live, if you've given yourself cancer from smoking?Liver disease from drinking?Fuck up your kidneys with bodybuilding drugs?Shortened your lifespan by 20 years by gorging large amounts of food and drugs?Just something to think about with this "your only young once" very backward and not forward way of thinking, the next 50 years will likely eclipse the previous 10,000 in scientific evolution.
Don't most teens and twenty-somethings already believe they are going to live forever?
Reality usually starts to set in once you get to 35-40.
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Recently Time magazine did an article explaining what most scientists believe, that by around 2045-2050 there will exist the technology to stop us aging and likely reverse aging, meaning we wont die, cancers and diseases will be eradicated meaning that unless you have an accident, your living forever, or unless man destroys earth, the solar system we move in to etc.With that in mind will you not be kicking yourself if you reach say 2035 and you have a year to live, if you've given yourself cancer from smoking?Liver disease from drinking?Fuck up your kidneys with bodybuilding drugs?Shortened your lifespan by 20 years by gorging large amounts of food and drugs?Just something to think about with this "your only young once" very backward and not forward way of thinking, the next 50 years will likely eclipse the previous 10,000 in scientific evolution.
Lemme get in my year 2000 flying car and zip over to the lab to confirm these findings.
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Nobody knows what happens when you die.
Maybe it's the greatest thing ever.
Depends on choices you make before you die.
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1. So if free will indeed is an illusion, would that mean that our brains are mere computers?
2. Is the whole concept of consciousness just a construct of our mind?
1. It's not and no. That's the point.
2. To talk about a "construct of the mind" again already implies someone (conscious) who posesses this mind. So the statement is self-refuting.
consciousness is in itself the result of preprogrammed patterns which evolved after billions of years...
That's impossible IMO.
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Only if you have enough money, it will be available for you. A lot of money...
There is really no reason to die anymore, we have stopped evolution anyway so why not. Humans ain't gonna get any smarter, and possibly even dumber the way things are progressing.
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1. It's not and no. That's the point.
2. To talk about a "construct of the mind" again already implies someone (conscious) who posesses this mind. So the statement is self-refuting.
That's impossible IMO.
I thought it was already well established within neuroscience that our decisions are made before our consciousness perceives it. Our 'minds' are just passive observers.
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I thought it was already well established within neuroscience that our decisions are made before our consciousness perceives it. Our 'minds' are just passive observers.
What has been established in neuroscience is a tiny scientific aspect of free will. Just because we can observe a certain scientific aspect of human decision making in the brain doesn't mean we can explain anything. The topic of free will is a philosophical question and as such a topic open to discussion. What is not open to discussion is that there must be a consciousness perceiving what is called free will.
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What has been established in neuroscience is a tiny scientific aspect of free will. Just because we can observe a certain scientific aspect of human decision making in the brain doesn't mean we can explain anything. The topic of free will is a philosophical question and as such a topic open to discussion. What is not open to discussion is that there must be a consciousness perceiving what is called free will.
We're far from explaining in detail how the brain works, but I don't see how you can call it a tiny aspect of free will? If decisions are made before our minds know about them then in my book that is devastating to the whole concept of free will.
Lets do a test....
Think of a famous person.
You thought of one yet?
Lets say you thought of Madonna. Can you explain why you didn't choose to think of Lady Gaga instead? Was it really up to your consciousness to decide which one to pick?
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You are so wrong.
ok, temporarily happy, I will agree on that, then you sink back to where you were before. You need to address core issues if you are not happy with you, if a girl or money is the only thing making you feel decent then you really need to think hard about getting therapy.