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Amazingly the vast majority of Frank Luntz's focus group on Fox news says Godfathers pizza CEO won the debate. That means Tim Pawlenty lost.
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We should have a Getbig poll for who we thought did the best. I don't know how to do that.
I've never been an RP fan but I have to say he really won me over tonight. Maybe it won't last.
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Ron Paul is solid. Never deviates.
Hermann Cain? ::)
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Cain is a breath of fresh air but he sure as hell didn't win the debate. That is just fox news anti-libertarian propaganda. Hannity and the rest of fox news will never bring themselves to admit to Ron Paul won a debate
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Ron Paul is solid. Never deviates.
Hermann Cain? ::)
Cain would be a perfect set up for the corporate interests...
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Watch and see - Hannity will start trashing a very bright Cain on a nightly basis - saying the results are rigged, online shennanigans, etc.
Idiots will believe it and choose from their Romney vs TPaw options lol.......
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Cain is a breath of fresh air but he sure as hell didn't win the debate. That is just fox news anti-libertarian propaganda. Hannity and the rest of fox news will never bring themselves to admit to Ron Paul won a debate
Luntz asked the people, and nearly ALL of them hadn't heard of Herman Cain. Now, they have and they like him. He's a solid conservatives, no bones about it. And that's EXACTLY what it takes to beat Obama in 2012.
Let the people decide who they want as their top guy. Paul isn't "due" to get the GOP nomination, despite what the libertarian contingent would like to believe. Let him earn it. But, with Herman Cain getting more exposure, if this keeps up and he gets more responses like this, Paul will get regulated to the back of the line again.
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Luntz asked the people, and nearly ALL of them hadn't heard of Herman Cain. Now, they have and they like him. He's a solid conservatives, no bones about it. And that's EXACTLY what it takes to beat Obama in 2012.
Let the people decide who they want as their top guy. Paul isn't "due" to get the GOP nomination, despite what the libertarian contingent would like to believe. Let him earn it. But, with Herman Cain getting more exposure, if this keeps up and he gets more responses like this, Paul will get regulated to the back of the line again.
You obviously never heard of how Luntz sets these things up, have you?
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You obviously never heard of how Luntz sets these things up, have you?
luntz has even bragged about his ability to get any answer he wants by just changing the phrasing, hasn't he?
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He wrote a book onit.
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I believe luntz used to be an msnbc lapdog back in the day. he was on all the time IIRC.
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Just because someone nmay not be ideal on one issue or another, does not mean they should automatically be shunned necessarily. As for cain, no I don't like fed reserve stance at all, he is miles away better than bama.
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Just because someone nmay not be ideal on one issue or another, does not mean they should automatically be shunned necessarily. As for cain, no I don't like fed reserve stance at all, he is miles away better than bama.
keep an eye out for fox to take a stance on this guy quickly.
my guess is that they pull a 2008 RPaul on him. Try to minimize his impact. Without all the pre-game hype that Romney and others get for being "more viable" - Cain would probably smack them all down in an election. I guess we'll see if FOX chooses to promote certain candidates.
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Luntz has been busted using the same people in his polling several times even after stating that those same individuals were new to that particular candidate. His word is as good ad dog shit. Gee I wonder why they brought him in?
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They are making it really easy for Obama this year. That is a good thing. I will vote for Obama and contribute to the landslide. ;)
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Moron.
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They are making it really easy for Obama this year. That is a good thing. I will vote for Obama and contribute to the landslide. ;)
Sometimes you make very little sense.
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You obviously never heard of how Luntz sets these things up, have you?
Why would Luntz set up a crowd to pick Cain, instead of an already-known commodity like Pawlenty or Santorum?
It sounds as if certain folks here are doing the same thing with Paul that was done with McCain in 2008. They think Paul should get the nod simply because he's due.
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Why would Luntz set up a crowd to pick Cain, instead of an already-known commodity like Pawlenty or Santorum?
It sounds as if certain folks here are doing the same thing with Paul that was done with McCain in 2008. They think Paul should get the nod simply because he's due.
Dude, everyone knows what Luntz is about. It just takes a few minutes to verify how he does his polling. 333386 and others in this thread confirm he's a master manipulator. It's no secret.
Did you hear Pawlenty and Sanitarium at the debates? Disastrous. Comparatively Cain was at least much better spoken. (but he still sucks)
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Only one vote can be made. From Fox news online poll.
Who won the debate?
Gary Johnson 2.36% (1,095 votes)
Ron Paul 46.04% (21,397 votes)
Tim Pawlenty 7.54% (3,504 votes)
Herman Cain 36.96% (17,179 votes)
Rick Santorum 7.1% (3,299 votes)
Total Votes: 46,474
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/05/06/won-debate/
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wow.... paul/cain looks like the ideal ticket so far :)
tpaw and santorum at 7%.... pathetic.
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Only one vote can be made. From Fox news online poll.
Who won the debate?
Gary Johnson 2.36% (1,095 votes)
Ron Paul 46.04% (21,397 votes)
Tim Pawlenty 7.54% (3,504 votes)
Herman Cain 36.96% (17,179 votes)
Rick Santorum 7.1% (3,299 votes)
Total Votes: 46,474
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/05/06/won-debate/
No question Ron Paul rules the internet. How many of those who voted in that online poll are likely voters? And why doesn't his domination of internet polls translate into any success on election days?
In any event, he was not the best person on stage. Pawlenty was really the only one who looked and sounded the part, and that was my first time ever watching the guy in a debate. I don't think anyone really "won" the debate. Actually, it wasn't even a debate, because all they did was answer questions from the hosts. They didn't really engage each other.
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No question Ron Paul rules the internet. How many of those who voted in that online poll are likely voters? And why doesn't his domination of internet polls translate into any success on election days?
In any event, he was not the best person on stage. Pawlenty was really the only one who looked and sounded the part, and that was my first time ever watching the guy in a debate. I don't think anyone really "won" the debate. Actually, it wasn't even a debate, because all they did was answer questions from the hosts. They didn't really engage each other.
Because only candidates who kowtow to special interests get elected, which is why RP never will be.e
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Because only candidates who kowtow to special interests get elected, which is why RP never will be.e
What special interests are you talking about?
Also, it isn't possible that Ron Paul is simply unable to convince people to vote for him? Keep in mind he had to work pretty hard to get reelected in his Congressional district.
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In any event, he was not the best person on stage. Pawlenty was really the only one who looked and sounded the part, and that was my first time ever watching the guy in a debate. .
LMAO!! You are on drugs my man. He sounded like this guy.
(http://www.cultureblues.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/snl-tim-calhoun-1.jpg)
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LMAO!! You are on drugs my man. He sounded like this guy.
(http://www.cultureblues.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/snl-tim-calhoun-1.jpg)
That's your opinion. I get the feeling Ron Paul could do nothing but fart through a debate and you'd think he did an awesome job. :)
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What special interests are you talking about?
Also, it isn't possible that Ron Paul is simply unable to convince people to vote for him? Keep in mind he had to work pretty hard to get reelected in his Congressional district.
The special interests that run Washington; they would never have a guy in there that is opposed to them, sure at the congressional level, it is small potatos but not at the presidential level.
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That's your opinion. I get the feeling Ron Paul could do nothing but fart through a debate and you'd think he did an awesome job. :)
And you vote for guys whose slick talk are the equivalent of a well executed fart in terms of substance.
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The special interests that run Washington; they would never have a guy in there that is opposed to them, sure at the congressional level, it is small potatos but not at the presidential level.
Which specific ones are you talking about? Not trying to set you up. Just trying to understand your position. I believe money has corrupted the political system, so I'd say large donors have too much influence setting political agendas. Is that who you're referring to?
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And you vote for guys whose slick talk are the equivalent of a well executed fart in terms of substance.
Sometimes that's true. But not my fault. If a great candidate could make it through the primary (on either side), I'd have better choices.
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Which specific ones are you talking about? Not trying to set you up. Just trying to understand your position. I believe money has corrupted the political system, so I'd say large donors have too much influence setting political agendas. Is that who you're referring to?
There are tons; AIPAC, Lockheed Martin, etc. There are bigger ones and smaller ones but the fact is, money talks and the money interests don't want people in political power who will not tow the line, so sort of, yes, 'large donors' (that is a rather nice way of putting it).
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There are tons; AIPAC, Lockheed Martin, etc. There are bigger ones and smaller ones but the fact is, money talks and the money interests don't want people in political power who will not tow the line, so sort of, yes, 'large donors' (that is a rather nice way of putting it).
You think candidates need to support AIPAC to win? I don't hear much about them on the political scene. They can't be that powerful (in the sense they don't dictate the outcome of elections).
But it's true that money talks. Sad, but true.
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That's your opinion. I get the feeling Ron Paul could do nothing but fart through a debate and you'd think he did an awesome job. :)
ROFLMAO.
Beach Bum sometimes comes hard with a gem or two and this is one of them. Beach Bum, the proper terminology you are looking for is "Paultard".
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ROFLMAO.
Beach Bum sometimes comes hard with a gem or two and this is one of them. Beach Bum, the proper terminology you are looking for is "Paultard".
If you despise him that much it obviously means he's on the right track. Once you start liking him I know things are f'd up.
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ROFLMAO.
Beach Bum sometimes comes hard with a gem or two and this is one of them. Beach Bum, the proper terminology you are looking for is "Paultard".
Or not. I like Ron Paul.
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The special interests that run Washington; they would never have a guy in there that is opposed to them, sure at the congressional level, it is small potatos but not at the presidential level.
What "Special Interests" are you referring to specifically?
By the way, Ron Paul LOVES earmarks from the government. LOVES them!
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What "Special Interests" are you referring to specifically?
By the way, Ron Paul LOVES earmarks from the government. LOVES them!
I would respond to this but as usual when you get corrected you just run away instead of acknowledging that you were wrong and start another thread making the same accusations against other candidates.
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LMAO!! You are on drugs my man. He sounded like this guy.
(http://www.cultureblues.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/snl-tim-calhoun-1.jpg)
hahaha...
one of my favorite SNL skits ever!! ;D
http://www.hulu.com/watch/11930/saturday-night-live-update-sen-tim-calhoun
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Dude, everyone knows what Luntz is about. It just takes a few minutes to verify how he does his polling. 333386 and others in this thread confirm he's a master manipulator. It's no secret.
Did you hear Pawlenty and Sanitarium at the debates? Disastrous. Comparatively Cain was at least much better spoken. (but he still sucks)
All Luntz asks of his focus group is who they thought won out there. He started in alphabetical order. When Cain's name was mentioned, nearly all the hands went up. He stopped at that point.
And Beach Bum is right. Every election cycle, we hear all this flap about Ron Paul from the libertarian crowd. Yet, when it's game time (namely election day), Paul gets pummeled. His internet popularity ain't translating into real votes, when it's showtime.
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All Luntz asks of his focus group is who they thought won out there. He started in alphabetical order. When Cain's name was mentioned, nearly all the hands went up. He stopped at that point.
And Beach Bum is right. Every election cycle, we hear all this flap about Ron Paul from the libertarian crowd. Yet, when it's game time (namely election day), Paul gets pummeled. His internet popularity ain't translating into real votes, when it's showtime.
Its the general electorate. think about it - 50% voted for obama. Those idiots will never go for ron paul . Than you habve the the gop. Many old foggies, many military vets, social cons, etc. Yes the fiscal cons and south park cons will go for RP, but thats probably it. I like ron paul and obviously would campaign, volunteer, and do what I could, but I think his electibility in a national election is limited at best, not by his own fault, but by the reality of who votes.
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They are making it really easy for Obama this year. That is a good thing. I will vote for Obama and contribute to the landslide. ;)
true dat.
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true dat.
Like I have said from day 1:
Obama's coalition:
95% ers (Mal, Benny, Blacken, Andre)
Gays/LGBT (Bay, Chad, Straw, etc)
Guilt ridden whites (TA)
EnviroNazis (KC)
Govt Workers
Welfare bums and parasites.
Dopers and Drug Addicts
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Its the general electorate. think about it - 50% voted for obama. Those idiots will never go for ron paul . Than you habve the the gop. Many old foggies, many military vets, social cons, etc. Yes the fiscal cons and south park cons will go for RP, but thats probably it. I like ron paul and obviously would campaign, volunteer, and do what I could, but I think his electibility in a national election is limited at best, not by his own fault, but by the reality of who votes.
Paul has to get the "social cons" or he has no chance in hell of winning. Go back to 2008. The "social cons" didn't really get behind McCain until Palin joined the ticket.
Like I have said from day 1:
Obama's coalition:
95% ers (Mal, Benny, Blacken, Andre)
Gays/LGBT (Bay, Chad, Straw, etc)
Guilt ridden whites (TA)
EnviroNazis (KC)
Govt Workers
Welfare bums and parasites.
Dopers and Drug Addicts
I didn't know Straw was gay.
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Like I have said from day 1:
Obama's coalition:
95% ers (Mal, Benny, Blacken, Andre)
Gays/LGBT (Bay, Chad, Straw, etc)
Guilt ridden whites (TA)
EnviroNazis (KC)
Govt Workers
Welfare bums and parasites.
Dopers and Drug Addicts
hahahaha you mad hahahahaha
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Paul has to get the "social cons" or he has no chance in hell of winning. Go back to 2008. The "social cons" didn't really get behind McCain until Palin joined the ticket.
I didn't know Straw was gay.
i think he is bi.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=375460.0;attach=412939;image)
A few jobs, secure borders, and low gas prices would be nice.
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All Luntz asks of his focus group is who they thought won out there. He started in alphabetical order. When Cain's name was mentioned, nearly all the hands went up. He stopped at that point.
4 months ago Fox aired comments from a "random focus group" in which one of the participants says he supports McCain. They just aired another "random focus group" in a different state and the SAME GUY is in the group of what Fox calls "undecided" voters.
I can post more.
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Cain is a Morehouse Grad..Go Tigers.. just so you bitches know
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Cain is a Morehouse Grad..Go Tigers.. just so you bitches know
Would you vote for him?
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I can post more.
And this is part of the BIIIIIIIIIG conspiracy to put the relatively unknown Herman Cain, even over established people like Pawlenty and Santorum, just to keep Paul from winning. ::)
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Cain is miles and away better that TPaw, Huck, and Santorum.
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And this is part of the BIIIIIIIIIG conspiracy to put the relatively unknown Herman Cain, even over established people like Pawlenty and Santorum, just to keep Paul from winning. ::)
Are you dense? This is supposed to be another state with a group of undecided voters, when clearly its one of the same people 4 months later. There are other examples of the same thing. ::) Luntz is proud of the fact that he can get the results he wants even if it means not being completly forthcoming as to how he gets the results. I even psoted 4 different FOX debate poll results where RP won, but FOX claims Herman won the debate poll. ??? No, there's nothing wierd going on here. ::)
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Would you vote for him?
I dont know.. we have to check if he was born in America or the Congo..
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I dont know.. we have to check if he was born in America or the Congo..
And if he was born in the congo? Didnt stop you from voting for a person born in Kenya.
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Are you dense? This is supposed to be another state with a group of undecided voters, when clearly its one of the same people 4 months later. There are other examples of the same thing. ::)
Are YOU this dense? The issue here is whether or not this focus group believed that Cain won the debate. You keep blubbering about how this is all a conspriacy against Ron Paul.
As for your YouTube clip, that's much ado about nothing.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/005030.php
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And if he was born in the congo? Didnt stop you from voting for a person born in Kenya.
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Are YOU this dense? The issue here is whether or not this focus group believed that Cain won the debate. You keep blubbering about how this is all a conspriacy against Ron Paul.
As for your YouTube clip, that's much ado about nothing.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/005030.php
Did you read the rest of your article? The guy is a slime ball and its a well documented fact but go on believing him buddy...
...says there's something sloppy at best about his recruitment process, Mark Blumenthal, a veteran of the polling business and founder of Pollster.com, told me. "If you see a respondent show up twice, it's a sign of professional respondents leaking through...
But when I spoke to Luntz today, he said that he uses repeat participants by design....
he then goes off giving some lame assed reason why but the fact remains that he said these were undecided voters when they clearly werent. I'll post other examples when i get the chance.
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Wow.... Luntz clearly cheating there!
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Wow.... Luntz clearly cheating there!
Luntz is a manipulator and prides himself on this fact.
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ROFLMAO. I bet you like that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Cain
Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City
In office
1995–1996
Preceded by Burton A. Dole, Jr
Succeeded by A. Drue Jennings
Deputy Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City
In office
1992–1994
Preceded by Burton A. Dole, Jr
Succeeded by A. Drue Jennings
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I already said - I dont like that part of his record, but he made clinton look like an idiot in that clip. no different than obama, another hack idiot politician not qualified to fill a bathtub with water.
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And Beach Bum is right. Every election cycle, we hear all this flap about Ron Paul from the libertarian crowd. Yet, when it's game time (namely election day), Paul gets pummeled. His internet popularity ain't translating into real votes, when it's showtime.
True. The two explanations you hear from his biggest supporters for his inability to move the masses are (1) conspiracies by the media to suppress him and (2) insulting the intelligence of Americans who refuse to vote for him.
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True. The two explanations you hear from his biggest supporters for his inability to move the masses are (1) conspiracies by the media to suppress him and (2) insulting the intelligence of Americans who refuse to vote for him.
Coming from someone who has attended RP rallies, donated to Rand Paul, has every RP Book ever put out, who likes RP immensly, etc, the problem with RP is his delivery and packaging. His son, Rand Paul, comes across way better and is far more accesible. I am saying this from a marketing point of view, nothing else.
I am on board with the Rand/Ron Paul ideology probably 75-85 percent time, but im just saying it as a matter of general ecelections being realistic.
The average soccer mom pofs is not voting for rp, despite anything else. I get it and accept it for what it is. If we want a ron paul type in the WH, its going to be Rand, not Ron. thats a fact. Rand Paul IMHO has a lot of intangibles that his father does not.
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Coming from someone who has attended RP rallies, donated to Rand Paul, has every RP Book ever put out, who likes RP immensly, etc, the problem with RP is his delivery and packaging. His son, Rand Paul, comes across way better and is far more accesible. I am saying this from a marketing point of view, nothing else.
I am on board with the Rand/Ron Paul ideology probably 75-85 percent time, but im just saying it as a matter of general ecelections being realistic.
The average soccer mom pofs is not voting for rp, despite anything else. I get it and accept it for what it is. If we want a ron paul type in the WH, its going to be Rand, not Ron. thats a fact. Rand Paul IMHO has a lot of intangibles that his father does not.
Agree. I've said that several times on the board. Unfortunately, a person running for high office cannot simply have good ideas. He or she has to be charismatic, a good communicator, look good, sound good. Ron Paul simply cannot do that. He appears disheveled at times. He has a terrible speaking voice. He looks old. Not much he can do about that. And this is coming from someone who likes him.
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The average soccer mom pofs is not voting for rp, despite anything else.
maybe not initially.
But if she puts the kids to bed and listens to the debates - and he looks her in the eye and says "I'm going to cut this spending so your kids don't have a shitty quality of life", it might get thru to these moms.
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maybe not initially.
But if she puts the kids to bed and listens to the debates - and he looks her in the eye and says "I'm going to cut this spending so your kids don't have a shitty quality of life", it might get thru to these moms.
wishful thinking at best.
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wishful thinking at best.
come on, how likely was it that a black man named hussein would win the soccer mom votes away from hilary first, then a palin ticket? ;)
Ron paul exudes wisdom and common sense. He isn't the rock star, but doesn't try to be. You have romney acting like reagan, you have T-paw acting like a stand up comic, palin acting like hilary...
RP acts like RP.
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come on, how likely was it that a black man named hussein would win the soccer mom votes away from hilary first, then a palin ticket? ;)
Ron paul exudes wisdom and common sense. He isn't the rock star, but doesn't try to be. You have romney acting like reagan, you have T-paw acting like a stand up comic, palin acting like hilary...
RP acts like RP.
Problem with RP as he comes across like the crazy uncle living in the attic, even though he is right on 75% of things.
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Problem with RP as he comes across like the crazy uncle living in the attic, even though he is right on 75% of things.
maybe initially... but once you spend an hour listening to him, you adapt to that style.
I'm telling you - I met a LOT of people - dems and repubs alike - who were all about ron paul last time. Dems AND repubs. They ended up voting mccain and obama 50/50.
RPaul will get the anti-war vote dems, and the spending nervous repubs. He'll get the religious base. He'll get the left AND right-wing conspiracy theorists.
He'll get the built-in 40% vote that repubs always get. You toss in the dems he'll peel away and he can win. I don't see TPaw or Romney getting the anti-war or CT vote, do you ;)
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maybe initially... but once you spend an hour listening to him, you adapt to that style.
I'm telling you - I met a LOT of people - dems and repubs alike - who were all about ron paul last time. Dems AND repubs. They ended up voting mccain and obama 50/50.
RPaul will get the anti-war vote dems, and the spending nervous repubs. He'll get the religious base. He'll get the left AND right-wing conspiracy theorists.
He'll get the built-in 40% vote that repubs always get. You toss in the dems he'll peel away and he can win. I don't see TPaw or Romney getting the anti-war or CT vote, do you ;)
Obama has 43-47% no matter what - even if he raped a goat on live television. People like Mal, Andre, Benny, Blacken, TA, Chad, Straw, et al would vote for Bama even if he raped a dog naked on TV while having as confederate flag rapped around his shoulders.
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Did you read the rest of your article? The guy is a slime ball and its a well documented fact but go on believing him buddy...
...says there's something sloppy at best about his recruitment process, Mark Blumenthal, a veteran of the polling business and founder of Pollster.com, told me. "If you see a respondent show up twice, it's a sign of professional respondents leaking through...
But when I spoke to Luntz today, he said that he uses repeat participants by design....
he then goes off giving some lame assed reason why but the fact remains that he said these were undecided voters when they clearly werent. I'll post other examples when i get the chance.
The fact remains that, for all your yelping, you have YET to cite exactly how and why this crowd was "rigged" to vote for Cain, instead of Paul (or even better-known candidates like Pawlenty and Santorum).
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Obama has 43-47% no matter what - even if he raped a goat on live television. People like Mal, Andre, Benny, Blacken, TA, Chad, Straw, et al would vote for Bama even if he raped a dog naked on TV while having as confederate flag rapped around his shoulders.
Dems and repubs have an equal %, no matter what they do. it's probably 45 and 45.
The middle 10% are the swing voters that determine every election.
BUT I think RP has an advantage that - aside from going at these middle 10% - he is going to be able to peel away from that obama 45% base. There are 911 truthers who will campaign their asses off for a republican named RPaul. You know this man. Lots of them are dems.
AND there are a shitload of people who are SO passionate about stopping the war that they marched for it. They're libs - but their hero Obama is nothing more than Bush II when it comes to the war.
If you're a single-issue voter on WAR, CTs, or ECONOMY, you're voting Ron Paul.
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The fact remains that, for all your yelping, you have YET to cite exactly how and why this crowd was "rigged" to vote for Cain, instead of Paul (or even better-known candidates like Pawlenty and Santorum).
FOX always shits upon the authenticity of their own polls when they do this.
Like, "so-and-so won, but only because they rigged our poll".
Why can't they use an un-riggable poll? lol
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Santorum makes me almost want to shoot the TV. TPaw is going nowhere. He is not agressive enough.
Cain West
West Bachmann
Bachmann Paul
Cain Paul
or something like that.
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Coming from someone who has attended RP rallies, donated to Rand Paul, has every RP Book ever put out, who likes RP immensly, etc, the problem with RP is his delivery and packaging. His son, Rand Paul, comes across way better and is far more accesible. I am saying this from a marketing point of view, nothing else.
I am on board with the Rand/Ron Paul ideology probably 75-85 percent time, but im just saying it as a matter of general ecelections being realistic.
The average soccer mom pofs is not voting for rp, despite anything else. I get it and accept it for what it is. If we want a ron paul type in the WH, its going to be Rand, not Ron. thats a fact. Rand Paul IMHO has a lot of intangibles that his father does not.
The problem for you...in addition to being PEA BRAINED...is that you are not a legit libertarian. As your political testing showed, you come up as a moron staunch republican. You'd vote for Mitt Romney or T-Paw over Paul Ron again in 2012, just as you did last time.
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Yeah, cause my primary vote in NY made a real difference. lmfao.
And romney was better than mclame.
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Obama has 43-47% no matter what - even if he raped a goat on live television. People like Mal, Andre, Benny, Blacken, TA, Chad, Straw, et al would vote for Bama even if he raped a dog naked on TV while having as confederate flag rapped around his shoulders.
And PEA BRAIN will vote for the repube candidate even if he/she admitted to murdering Natalie Holloway, Ponzi scheming hundreds of people out of millions of dollars, and going out on the campaign trail wearing full Nazi regalia and pledging undying loyalty to Al Qaeda.
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maybe not initially.
But if she puts the kids to bed and listens to the debates - and he looks her in the eye and says "I'm going to cut this spending EVERYTHING so your kids will HAVE a shitty quality of life", it might get thru to these moms.
Fixed.
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And PEA BRAIN will vote for the repube candidate even if he/she admitted to murdering Natalie Holloway, Ponzi scheming hundreds of people out of millions of dollars, and going out on the campaign trail wearing full Nazi regalia and pledging undying loyalty to Al Qaeda.
Over obama - yes.
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Luntz is a manipulator and prides himself on this fact.
Ziggy can bitch and moan all he wants about Luntz's focus groups, but the proof in the pudding will be how Paul Ron does in the actual primaries. Somehow methinks he's not going to do so well, and Ziggy will be here blaming everyone else except his lousy candidate.
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Obama has 43-47% no matter what - even if he raped a goat on live television. People like Mal, Andre, Benny, Blacken, TA, Chad, Straw, et al would vote for Bama even if he raped a dog naked on TV while having as confederate flag rapped around his shoulders.
Nothing wrong with a confederate flag.
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Over obama - yes.
OF COURSE, because you are a racist, mentally ill idiot. lol
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OF COURSE, because you are a racist, mentally ill idiot. lol
So are you, and thats why you would vote for obama no matter what he did.
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Dems and repubs have an equal %, no matter what they do. it's probably 45 and 45.
The middle 10% are the swing voters that determine every election.
BUT I think RP has an advantage that - aside from going at these middle 10% - he is going to be able to peel away from that obama 45% base. There are 911 truthers who will campaign their asses off for a republican named RPaul. You know this man. Lots of them are dems.
AND there are a shitload of people who are SO passionate about stopping the war that they marched for it. They're libs - but their hero Obama is nothing more than Bush II when it comes to the war.
If you're a single-issue voter on WAR, CTs, or ECONOMY, you're voting Ron Paul.
But, Paul doesn't have the social conservatives backing him. And he really doesn't have all the fiscal conservatives backing him, either. Without the former, FORGET IT; he ain't winning.
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Yeah, cause my primary vote in NY made a real difference. lmfao.
And romney was better than mclame.
If you had principles were true to your "libertarian principles", you'd have voted for Paul Ron regardless. I guarantee you Ziggy, Deicide, and the rest of the Paul Ron devotees who post here would have voted for him if they lived and voted in NY.
Fake-ass, bandwagon-hopping PEA BRAIN. :D
So are you, and thats why you would vote for obama no matter what he did.
Nope, sorry. No racist here. Despite your intense desire to be like me, we are NOTHING alike. ;) If Obama were draped in the Confederate flag, he would not be the person he has been up to this point and clearly would have lost his mind. So he would not get my vote.
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LMFAO. Ha ha ha.
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LMFAO. Ha ha ha.
Great post! :-\
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Great post! :-\
At this point - I would vote for madoff over obama if forced to.
I would prefer West/Bachmann as my first choice - but it is what it is.
Lt. Col. Alan West probably is my fav at this point. Certified bad ass bar none.
If he ran, I would send my ass to florida to volunteer for him.
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Lt. Col. Alan West probably is my fav at this point. Certified bad ass bar none.
If he ran, I would send my ass to florida to volunteer for him.
u can crash with me brother.
we can go to miami and do some deporting on our day off.
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u can crash with me brother.
we can go to miami and do some deporting on our day off.
Is my permit recognized down there?
LMAO.
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He'll get the left AND right-wing conspiracy theorists.
I don't see TPaw or Romney getting the anti-war or CT vote, do you ;)
The CT vote?? LOL!
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The CT vote?? LOL!
I couldn't expect you to understand this.
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I couldn't expect you to understand this.
Bwahahahahaha! :)
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Bwahahahahaha! :)
seriously - think about it. There are CTers on the right who question obama's birth cert. There are CTers on the left who question 911. There are CTers on BOTh sides with Qs about anthrax/FBI connection, and a score of other issues.
These groups love RP. If you think he wouldn't get a shitload of left-wing 911 skeptics, you're lying to yourself BB.
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seriously - think about it. There are CTers on the right who question obama's birth cert. There are CTers on the left who question 911. There are CTers on BOTh sides with Qs about anthrax/FBI connection, and a score of other issues.
These groups love RP. If you think he wouldn't get a shitload of left-wing 911 skeptics, you're lying to yourself BB.
You people who believe in these wild, ridiculous conspiracy theories make up a tiny percentage of the voting population. You do not influence elections. Nobody cares about you folks. Even Ron Paul asked you nuts to leave him alone.
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You people who believe in these wild, ridiculous conspiracy theories make up a tiny percentage of the voting population. You do not influence elections. Nobody cares about you folks. Even Ron Paul asked you nuts to leave him alone.
You "nuts"?
LMAO... you believe the earth is 6000 years old because the Bible told you so, and you call me a nut because I wonder how WTC7 fell?
Sheesh.
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Lmao.
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Lmao.
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you have been to RPaul events, right?
Do you see him bringing over some people from the left who vote solely on anti-war or even CTs?
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You "nuts"?
LMAO... you believe the earth is 6000 years old because the Bible told you so, and you call me a nut because I wonder how WTC7 fell?
Sheesh.
Yes. You = coo coo for cocoa puffs. :)
Holograms use to fake plane crashes. Missiles shot into the Pentagon. Passengers kidnapped and murdered. Bombs planted in the WTC by the federal government, with the cooperation of foreign terrorists. It's like an elementary school kid came up this stuff. Grow up already.
Neither Ron Paul nor any other candidate needs your vote. Heck I bet the majority of people who believe in this asinine stuff probably aren't even old enough to vote. ::)
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Have to admit - definately seemed like a lot of cters were there.
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Have to admit - definately seemed like a lot of cters were there.
b b b b but beach bum, who hates RP, wasn't there, and can't tell you the basic Qs about most CTs, said they didn't matter.
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Yes. You = coo coo for cocoa puffs. :)
Holograms use to fake plane crashes. Missiles shot into the Pentagon. Passengers kidnapped and murdered. Bombs planted in the WTC by the federal government, with the cooperation of foreign terrorists. It's like an elementary school kid came up this stuff. Grow up already.
Neither Ron Paul nor any other candidate needs your vote. Heck I bet the majority of people who believe in this asinine stuff probably aren't even old enough to vote. ::)
Don't forget, "OBL's wife capped him."
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Don't forget, "OBL's wife capped him."
Is that this week's conspiracy theory? ::)
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Is that this week's conspiracy theory? ::)
Yes. 240 knows better than DEVGRU.
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i didn't believe the official white house story. didn't sound right - too hollywood.
i was right about them lying.
so neither you nor I know what really happened. We know the white house lied at least 4 times. And we know the people in the room aren't the ones on the microphone, right? We are getting new versions of the events from the white house every day.
Until you put the actual people from that room on the mic to explain what happened, all we have are computer animations based upon the fairy tale words of Prez Obama. Maybe that's good enough for you. Not me. The moment he changed story, he destroyed his credibility. He cancelled out version 1, then 2, then 3, and will probably have a new version any time now.
So maybe he did commit suicide, maybe his wife did it, maybe he was capped after capture. We don't konw what happened, and we probably never will.
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At this point - I would vote for madoff over obama if forced to.
I would prefer West/Bachmann as my first choice - but it is what it is.
Lt. Col. Alan West probably is my fav at this point. Certified bad ass bar none.
If he ran, I would send my ass to florida to volunteer for him.
LOL @ Alan West. hahaha Oh, brother. ::)
We all know your ass never leaves Yonkers/The Bronx, PEA BRAIN. I doubt you could afford the bus fare much further than Jersey City. :-\
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i didn't believe the official white house story. didn't sound right - too hollywood.
i was right about them lying.
so neither you nor I know what really happened. We know the white house lied at least 4 times. And we know the people in the room aren't the ones on the microphone, right? We are getting new versions of the events from the white house every day.
Until you put the actual people from that room on the mic to explain what happened, all we have are computer animations based upon the fairy tale words of Prez Obama. Maybe that's good enough for you. Not me. The moment he changed story, he destroyed his credibility. He cancelled out version 1, then 2, then 3, and will probably have a new version any time now.
So maybe he did commit suicide, maybe his wife did it, maybe he was capped after capture. We don't konw what happened, and we probably never will.
Nobody ever really knows anything with you. ::) So let's just throw any and every idea we can think of out there, right? You CTs sure are loony.
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You know whats funny about you Benson - you think you are accepted by the white yuppie latte libs driving volvos and reading the NYT at Starbucks.
Behind your back you are nothing but a glorified bathroom attendant to these assholes yet you are too smitten with the left wing bullshit agenda to see it.
Ha ha ha ha - you might be a token at one or two of their little coffe clatches, but at the end of the day you are nothing but a car wash boy to these milquetoast guilt ridden pieces of trash.
Your stupid ass shuns the Cain, West, Thomas, Parker, of the world and tries to make nice with the latte libs, what a fool you are. and you have the balls to call out McWay? ha ha ha. sucker.
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You know whats funny about you Benson - you think you are accepted by the white yuppie latte libs driving volvos and reading the NYT at Starbucks.
Behind your back you are nothing but a glorified bathroom attendant to these assholes yet you are too smitten with the left wing bullshit agenda to see it.
Ha ha ha ha - you might be a token at one or two of their little coffe clatches, but at the end of the day you are nothing but a car wash boy to these milquetoast guilt ridden pieces of trash.
Your stupid ass shuns the Cain, West, Thomas, Parker, of the world and tries to make nice with the latte libs, what a fool you are. and you have the balls to call out McWay? ha ha ha. sucker.
LOL!
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Calm down Vinnie, its not that serious. :P
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You know its the truth.
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there just expressing the vernacular no biggie
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You know its the truth.
LOL
I didn't even read it, Vinnie. I skimmed over it and noticed the massive volume of words, immediately chalking it up to another tear-filled PEA BRAIN meltdown caused by yours truly. ;D
The only "truth" is that you are a loser hopelessly stuck in the Bronx ghetto. ;) You know nothing about me or my life, only what you can conjure up in your delusional, racist fantasies.