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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Benny B on May 13, 2011, 08:08:52 AM
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In a senate subcommittee Rand Paul argued that a right to healthcare would essentially make doctors and others who work at a hospital slaves. Cenk Uygur breaks it down.
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He is a million percent right.
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=375180.0
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Even the title of this thread is so ludicrous as to which it proves Rand correct.
If you force someone else to provide something for another at below cost what is that?
This is going to be another Benny backfire. What a joke.
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Even the title of this thread is so ludicrous as to which it proves Rand correct.
If you force someone else to provide something for another at below cost what is that?
This is going to be another Benny backfire. What a joke.
When Rand Paul was a practicing doctor he accepted payment from Medicare and other forms of insurance
I guess that's what he means by slavery
funny, now that he's a Senator he get's free healthcare for himself and his family
I assume he'll now opt out so he's not enslaving some other doctor
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When Rand Paul was a practicing doctor he accepted payment from Medicare and other forms of insurance
I guess that's what he means by slavery
funny, now that he's a Senator he get's free healthcare for himself and his family
I assume he'll now opt out so he's not enslaving some other doctor
Part of his compensation is his health care benes.
Straw - what service do you provide others?
Lets say the nation says "legal services are a right" and forces me to provide "FREE" legal services to those who don't pay - what is that called?
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Part of his compensation is his health care benes.
Straw - what service do you provide others?
Lets say the nation says "legal services are a right" and forces me to provide "FREE" legal services to those who don't pay - what is that called?
I'm an abortionist
Why is Rand so fucking stupid that he thinks health insurance is slavery
no one is forced to do anything for free
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I'm an abortionist
Why is Rand so fucking stupid that he thinks health insurance is slavery
no one is forced to do anything for free
OMFG are dumb as shit.
Seriously bro - did you go to school to learn to be this idiotic?
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Haha it's not slavery and that's a poor analogy. I didn't see Drs chained up and whipped in Canada or Europe. Perhaps Rand would like to retract such a foolish statement.
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Slavery was never abolished in Canada and England. People who become doctors there aspire to live in slave quarters on the local hospital plantation, barely being able to clothe themselves, take vacations, feed their families etc. It's rough for these slave doctors. But people those countries still apply to medical schools though however there is a "Slaver" CT movement that accuses these governments of kidnapping Chinese and Indian babies at birth and bringing them to these countries to be forced into slave doctoring from an early age.
Rand is dead on.
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Ok - you liberal communist assholes - here is where you get owned and put back in to your communist/marxist/maoist/pol pot/castro/stalin gulag
Lets say the govt declares "food" a "right".
Now - we have tens of millions demanding that govt enforce and protect citizens' "right" to food, and the existing amount of farmers and producers can not produce enough to meet the needs of these millions trying to exercise their "rights."
The lazy and wortheless savages you support dont want to pay a damn thing, so it has to be "free", yet, in order to meet the demand by the zombie communist democrat leeches, the farmers have to hire scores of workers without compensation and now will cost him out of pocket money to meet the demand of these welfare bums.
Who pays the difference?
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Hahaha
Classic 333333 deflection technique.
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33333 should I split this thread? ;D
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Hahaha
Classic 333333 deflection technique.
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33333 should I split this thread? ;D
how - if "health care" is "right" why not declare food, legal services, housing, etc as a "right" and lets see who is going to provide it without compensation and what we call that.
This is another perfect example of the left wing communist /collectivist/maoist/stalinist ideology by greedy pigs and lazy assholes who want everyone else to pay.
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Not in the title of the thread or the conversation. I beleve it's about UHC being slavery for doctors. ;D
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Let me make this a little easier for you morons to grasp:
Lets say "Blow Jobs" become a "right". Being a "right" that means I should be able to get the same whereever and whenever I want.
So, I want a BJ daily by Eva Mendes since now it is my "right" to get one and she is known as giving the BJ ever. Yet, Eva Mendes does not agree to this and does not want to give endless BJ's, despite the fact that she is considered the best of the best. So the state and govt says - "Ok Eva - I know this really suck, but we can afford to pay you $5 a bj, and we will give you a lot of bjs, and guess what? the people coming to you dont pay anything" Eva than says "screw that I'm not doing that, $5 a bj to whino', drunks, illegals, etc?, hell no, I'm getting out of this business, and will go where people will pay for what my services are actually worth. Shit, I have people willing to pay me $200 for a bj, $5 ??? Hell no!!!!"
So now, Eva leaves the BJ business and so do all the other good bj givers. So we are left with a lack of people giving BJ's, and those that are left are mostly 3rd world pakis, indians, etc.
Is that really what you communist traitor libs want?
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Not in the title of the thread or the conversation. I beleve it's about UHC being slavery for doctors. ;D
Yes it is slavery at this point. It the govt pays for the education and salary of the docs to provide health care, thats one thing, but to now impose a "right" on providers to provide anyone and everyone with healthcare, regardless of anything else, is slavery.
Same for every other profession. Why not make plumbing a "right"? your toilet explodes and the govt says the plumbers has to fix it for free or he loses his license? what is that? This is the same thing. Typical leftist/communist/maoist bullshit.
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Hahaha
Classic 333333 deflection technique.
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33333 should I split this thread? ;D
Hahaha he's such a tool!
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Hahaha he's such a tool!
Please show me where I am wrong on this from my above posts.
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Let me ask you greedy pigs and communists another question:
Lets say the govt declares "health care" a "right", and all the providers make a collective decision to get out of the business of providing health care because it is no longer economically feasible since all the non paying leeches and parasites liberally exercise their new found right to health care. What next?
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Please show me where I am wrong on this from my above posts.
Hmmm let me see. Oh yes, 'free' healthcare does not make people slaves.
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Hmmm let me see. Oh yes, 'free' healthcare does not make people slaves.
To the provider FORCED to take on non paying patients as condition of keeping his license it certainly does. Why not have "Plumbing" as a right?
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Let me ask you greedy pigs and communists another question:
Lets say the govt declares "health care" a "right", and all the providers make a collective decision to get out of the business of providing health care because it is no longer economically feasible since all the non paying leeches and parasites liberally exercise their new found right to health care. What next?
Oh yes because that is EXACTLY what happens in other countries that have government run health care. Everyone goes out of business and the leeaches reign supreme! hahaha
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Let me ask you greedy pigs and communists another question:
Lets say the govt declares "health care" a "right", and all the providers make a collective decision to get out of the business of providing health care because it is no longer economically feasible since all the non paying leeches and parasites liberally exercise their new found right to health care. What next?
How does greed and communism correlate? You are contradicting yourself.
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To the provider FORCED to take on non paying patients as condition of keeping his license it certainly does. Why not have "Plumbing" as a right?
No one is forced to provide health care. No one is forced to become a doctor. Those are choices one makes. If you don't want to help sick people why become a doctor? Seems like a pretty simple issue to resolve. If you don't want to help patients, don't become a doctor. Wow solved it.
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Yeah - cause someone 240k in debt should be forced to treat you for free. Nice values system yopu have.
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Oh yes because that is EXACTLY what happens in other countries that have government run health care. Everyone goes out of business and the leeaches reign supreme! hahaha
Well I'm not an expert on other countries "constitutions", but I bet those that have "free healthcare" don't have a constitution that specifically limits the powers of the central government. As far as I'm concerned, if the government wants to make healthcare a right, then they have to amend the constitution making it a right. If they fail to do so then the federal government has no authority in the matter.
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Well I'm not an expert on other countries "constitutions", but I bet those that have "free healthcare" don't have a constitution that specifically limits the powers of the central government. As far as I'm concerned, if the government wants to make healthcare a right, then they have to amend the constitution making it a right. If they fail to do so then the federal government has no authority in the matter.
Fair enough. I personally feel this is more of a hypothetical debate. I doubt very highly that even with a majority voice, any democrat will attempt to amend the constitution to include health care as a right.
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Yeah - cause someone 240k in debt should be forced to treat you for free. Nice values system yopu have.
Then by that same line of 'slavery' that Dr must have been forced to be 240k in debt right? For slavery to truly be slavery that person must have no choice whatsoever, so are you implying that this slavery will pertain to forcing debt onto people to become drs? Or does the dr have an option to choose whether or not they will in fact become a dr?
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Oh yes because that is EXACTLY what happens in other countries that have government run health care. Everyone goes out of business and the leeaches reign supreme! hahaha
Isnt it true that in Canada the health care systems finances are in a dire situation? I've read statistcs that more and more people are dying waiting to get the health care they need because of the budget constraints. I also hear that there is more talk of a two tiered system to help eleviate the financial burden that's on system right now. I also read something about patients being held in a donut shop or something like that becasue they didnt have enough money for space/beds to house them all in the actuall hospital. Is that true? If it is , it doesnt sound like effectively run government health care.
Nevermind, found the article.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/03/01/bc-royal-columbian-tim-hortons.html
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Rand Paul is absolutely right, and Cenke again shows that he cant break down crap. If doctors are getting forced into retiring early, or if young aspiring students decide not to become doctors because of the poor financial situation, what else would you call it?
Let me just say that the apple has fallen VERY FAR from the tree in regards to Rand Paul.
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I would say it's fucked up. But in no way would I call it slavery. That's just dumb.
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I would say it's fucked up. But in no way would I call it slavery. That's just dumb.
What would you call it then if you were 250k in debt and then greedy communists and traitors like obama, benny, blacken, and straw - come in and pass a laws saying
"Ozmo - fuck you asshole - I dont care if you spent 10 years in school and are in 250k in debt - you are making 40k a year and nothing more, and will treat who we tell you, when we tell, you, and for how much we tell. oh, and if you dont like it - fuck you too - we are yanking your license?"
This is why I consider communists like Benny, Blacken, Straw, Obama etc my mortal enemy and traitors and agents of destruction of America.
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It's a fucked up deal and a ficked up turn of events. No different in miy mind when wal mart moves into town and puts dozens of family owned businesses out of business.
But in no fucking way ever am I such an ignorant sniop moron to think it's slavery. (other than for the purpose of beating a drum against communism. Lol )
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What would you call it then if you were 250k in debt and then greedy communists and traitors like obama, benny, blacken, and straw - come in and pass a laws saying
"Ozmo - fuck you asshole - I dont care if you spent 10 years in school and are in 250k in debt - you are making 40k a year and nothing more, and will treat who we tell you, when we tell, you, and for how much we tell. oh, and if you dont like it - fuck you too - we are yanking your license?"
This is why I consider communists like Benny, Blacken, Straw, Obama etc my mortal enemy and traitors and agents of destruction of America.
I agree that price regulation has probably created more problems than its solved, but I don't think I would go so far as to call it slavery.
The closest to slavery would be when doctors have to treat somebody for no renumeration, but a lot of professions expect some degree of pro-bono work.
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Cenk is a sellout; I don't agree with his fiscal views but on certain social points I agree but he has gone over to corporate bought MSBNC....he sold out on his grass roots show when he did that.
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Isnt it true that in Canada the health care systems finances are in a dire situation? I've read statistcs that more and more people are dying waiting to get the health care they need because of the budget constraints. I also hear that there is more talk of a two tiered system to help eleviate the financial burden that's on system right now. I also read something about patients being held in a donut shop or something like that becasue they didnt have enough money for space/beds to house them all in the actuall hospital. Is that true? If it is , it doesnt sound like effectively run government health care.
Nevermind, found the article.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/03/01/bc-royal-columbian-tim-hortons.html
But, but, but, the lefties have been telling us for YEARS how wonderful Canada's system is and how horrible ours is. Well, former UFC champion, Brock Lesnar, would disagree. He claims he'd be dead, had he depended on Canada's health care system when he got gravely ill during his vacation.
His wife had to drive him back to the states, where they properly diagnosed him and treated him immediately.
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Isnt it true that in Canada the health care systems finances are in a dire situation? I've read statistcs that more and more people are dying waiting to get the health care they need because of the budget constraints. I also hear that there is more talk of a two tiered system to help eleviate the financial burden that's on system right now. I also read something about patients being held in a donut shop or something like that becasue they didnt have enough money for space/beds to house them all in the actuall hospital. Is that true? If it is , it doesnt sound like effectively run government health care.
Nevermind, found the article.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/03/01/bc-royal-columbian-tim-hortons.html
Canada isn't a fully funded system. It's about 60% tax payer 40% user payer. I saw that same article and heard that story. I'm sure the people who are actually getting care are happier to be in a donut shop than denied service and sent on their way to die.
No system will ever be perfect.
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Who gets denied medical care in USA???
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No system will ever be perfect.
I agree, but the more I read about it the more the bragging rights coming out of that system seem to be overblown.
(http://media.greenradio.topscms.com/images/34/a1/311f7947440f854dd6ec5c2161d3.jpeg)
Canada's healthcare quality comes dead-last in global survey
Healthcare system cost about $190 billion last year
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - At one time, other countries would point to Canada as an example of how a healthcare system should be run. But the latest cover story in Maclean's magazine says our country now ranks close to the bottom.
Ken McQueen with Maclean's tells us we always criticize our neighbours to the south, but on a global scale, Canada's healthcare system needs a booster shot. "We console ourselves in the fact that it's substantially better, fair, and more accessible than our American neighbours. But really, when you compare it to places like the Netherlands and the UK, we really don't fare all that well."
Macleans reports last February, a 75-year-old man died in a Montreal emergency room while his daughter tried to get a nurse's attention. It also says among developed countries, Canada is in dead-last when it comes to timeliness and quality of care.
McQueen explains he's heard horror stories about emergency wait times. "They wait hours and hours and hours... sometimes eight hours, sometimes more. The over-burdened staff can't always determine who can wait and who needs help immediately. There are a distressing number of deaths."
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There are issues for sure. But on the other side is the fact that Canada doesn't have bankruptcies from having expensive treatment. They don't have deaths from denial of care or from being poorer than anyone else. It's an imperfect system but one that favors no one person over another and provides treatment for all. I can guarantee you Canadians are happier with their system and wouldn't change for what we have.