Free Healthcare = Slavery (Rand Paul)

[Kazan]

Oh yes because that is EXACTLY what happens in other countries that have government run health care.  Everyone goes out of business and the leeaches reign supreme! hahaha

Well I'm not an expert on other countries "constitutions", but I bet those that have "free healthcare" don't have a constitution that specifically limits the powers of the central government. As far as I'm concerned, if the government wants to make healthcare a right, then they have to amend the constitution making it a right. If they fail to do so then the federal government has no authority in the matter.

[kcballer]

Well I'm not an expert on other countries "constitutions", but I bet those that have "free healthcare" don't have a constitution that specifically limits the powers of the central government. As far as I'm concerned, if the government wants to make healthcare a right, then they have to amend the constitution making it a right. If they fail to do so then the federal government has no authority in the matter.

Fair enough.  I personally feel this is more of a hypothetical debate.  I doubt very highly that even with a majority voice, any democrat will attempt to amend the constitution to include health care as a right. 

[kcballer]

Yeah - cause someone 240k in debt should be forced to treat you for free.  Nice values system yopu have.

Then by that same line of 'slavery' that Dr must have been forced to be 240k in debt right?  For slavery to truly be slavery that person must have no choice whatsoever, so are you implying that this slavery will pertain to forcing debt onto people to become drs?  Or does the dr have an option to choose whether or not they will in fact become a dr?

[Bindare_Dundat]

Oh yes because that is EXACTLY what happens in other countries that have government run health care.  Everyone goes out of business and the leeaches reign supreme! hahaha

Isnt it true that in Canada the health care systems finances are in a dire situation? I've read statistcs that more and more people are dying waiting to get the health care they need because of the budget constraints. I also hear that there is more talk of a two tiered system to help eleviate the financial burden that's on system right now. I also read something about patients being held in a donut shop or something like that becasue they didnt have enough money for space/beds  to house them all in the actuall hospital. Is that true? If it is , it doesnt sound like effectively run government health care.

Nevermind, found the article.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/03/01/bc-royal-columbian-tim-hortons.html

[MM2K]

Rand Paul is absolutely right, and Cenke again shows that he cant break down crap. If doctors are getting forced into retiring early, or if young aspiring students decide not to become doctors because of the poor financial situation, what else would you call it?

Let me just say that the apple has fallen VERY FAR from the tree in regards to Rand Paul.

[OzmO]

I would say it's fucked up.  But in no way would I call it slavery.  That's just dumb.

[Soul Crusher]

I would say it's fucked up.  But in no way would I call it slavery.  That's just dumb.

What would you call it then if you were 250k in debt and then greedy communists and traitors like obama, benny, blacken, and straw - come in and pass a laws saying

"Ozmo - fuck you asshole - I dont care if you spent 10 years in school and are in 250k in debt - you are making 40k a year and nothing more, and will treat who we tell you, when we tell, you, and for how much we tell.   oh, and if you dont like it - fuck you too - we are yanking your license?"


This is why I consider communists like Benny, Blacken, Straw, Obama etc my mortal enemy and traitors and agents of destruction of America.

   

   

[OzmO]

It's a fucked up deal and a ficked up turn of events.  No different in miy mind when wal mart moves into town and puts dozens of family owned businesses out of business.

But in no fucking way ever am I such an ignorant sniop moron to think it's slavery.  (other than for the purpose of beating a drum against communism. Lol )

[Skip8282]

What would you call it then if you were 250k in debt and then greedy communists and traitors like obama, benny, blacken, and straw - come in and pass a laws saying

"Ozmo - fuck you asshole - I dont care if you spent 10 years in school and are in 250k in debt - you are making 40k a year and nothing more, and will treat who we tell you, when we tell, you, and for how much we tell.   oh, and if you dont like it - fuck you too - we are yanking your license?"


This is why I consider communists like Benny, Blacken, Straw, Obama etc my mortal enemy and traitors and agents of destruction of America.

   

   

I agree that price regulation has probably created more problems than its solved, but I don't think I would go so far as to call it slavery.

The closest to slavery would be when doctors have to treat somebody for no renumeration, but a lot of professions expect some degree of pro-bono work.

[Deicide]

Cenk is a sellout; I don't agree with his fiscal views but on certain social points I agree but he has gone over to corporate bought MSBNC....he sold out on his grass roots show when he did that.

[MCWAY]

Isnt it true that in Canada the health care systems finances are in a dire situation? I've read statistcs that more and more people are dying waiting to get the health care they need because of the budget constraints. I also hear that there is more talk of a two tiered system to help eleviate the financial burden that's on system right now. I also read something about patients being held in a donut shop or something like that becasue they didnt have enough money for space/beds  to house them all in the actuall hospital. Is that true? If it is , it doesnt sound like effectively run government health care.

Nevermind, found the article.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/03/01/bc-royal-columbian-tim-hortons.html

But, but, but, the lefties have been telling us for YEARS how wonderful Canada's system is and how horrible ours is. Well, former UFC champion, Brock Lesnar, would disagree. He claims he'd be dead, had he depended on Canada's health care system when he got gravely ill during his vacation.

His wife had to drive him back to the states, where they properly diagnosed him and treated him immediately.

[kcballer]

Isnt it true that in Canada the health care systems finances are in a dire situation? I've read statistcs that more and more people are dying waiting to get the health care they need because of the budget constraints. I also hear that there is more talk of a two tiered system to help eleviate the financial burden that's on system right now. I also read something about patients being held in a donut shop or something like that becasue they didnt have enough money for space/beds  to house them all in the actuall hospital. Is that true? If it is , it doesnt sound like effectively run government health care.

Nevermind, found the article.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/03/01/bc-royal-columbian-tim-hortons.html

Canada isn't a fully funded system.  It's about 60% tax payer 40% user payer.  I saw that same article and heard that story.  I'm sure the people who are actually getting care are happier to be in a donut shop than denied service and sent on their way to die.

No system will ever be perfect.

[dario73]

Who gets denied medical care in USA???

[Bindare_Dundat]

No system will ever be perfect.

I agree, but the more I read about it the more the bragging rights coming out of that system seem to be overblown.



Canada's healthcare quality comes dead-last in global survey
Healthcare system cost about $190 billion last year

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - At one time, other countries would point to Canada as an example of how a healthcare system should be run. But the latest cover story in Maclean's magazine says our country now ranks close to the bottom.

Ken McQueen with Maclean's tells us we always criticize our neighbours to the south, but on a global scale, Canada's healthcare system needs a booster shot. "We console ourselves in the fact that it's substantially better, fair, and more accessible than our American neighbours. But really, when you compare it to places like the Netherlands and the UK, we really don't fare all that well."

Macleans reports last February, a 75-year-old man died in a Montreal emergency room while his daughter tried to get a nurse's attention. It also says among developed countries, Canada is in dead-last when it comes to timeliness and quality of care.

McQueen explains he's heard horror stories about emergency wait times. "They wait hours and hours and hours... sometimes eight hours, sometimes more. The over-burdened staff can't always determine who can wait and who needs help immediately. There are a distressing number of deaths."

[kcballer]

There are issues for sure.  But on the other side is the fact that Canada doesn't have bankruptcies from having expensive treatment.  They don't have deaths from denial of care or from being poorer than anyone else.  It's an imperfect system but one that favors no one person over another and provides treatment for all.  I can guarantee you Canadians are happier with their system and wouldn't change for what we have.