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Title: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: The_Leafy_Bug on May 21, 2011, 02:22:12 PM
Guess who  :)
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: Boost on May 21, 2011, 02:24:26 PM
Roland Kickinger
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: Mclovin on May 21, 2011, 02:24:34 PM
Levrone
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: affeman on May 21, 2011, 02:26:13 PM
Drugs are just the finishing touch

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=377348.0;attach=414353;image) (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Uvy2Azj8TMY/TELfMIgY_HI/AAAAAAAADCA/N2fIk2ajLB0/s640/kevin_levrone11.jpg)
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: The_Leafy_Bug on May 21, 2011, 02:31:54 PM
Levrone
Bing bing bing
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: Deicide on May 21, 2011, 02:33:13 PM
Drugs are just the finishing touch

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=377348.0;attach=414353;image) (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Uvy2Azj8TMY/TELfMIgY_HI/AAAAAAAADCA/N2fIk2ajLB0/s640/kevin_levrone11.jpg)

Amazing shoulders and Tris! :o
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: mass243 on May 21, 2011, 02:34:38 PM
You can see the shape just has to be there. No way around that fact.

No one is born with enormous muscles but elite ones are born with the structure of a pro.

You  guys have to understand this. You have to build the size with training, drugs and food. But you can't build up your structure and shape of muscles - those are genetic gift.
That is what genetics of a pro mainly means; Structure, insertions, shape.
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: The_Leafy_Bug on May 21, 2011, 02:35:13 PM
You can see the shape just has to be there. No way around that fact.

No one is born with enormous muscles but elite ones are born with the structure of a pro.

You  guys have to understand this. You have to build the size with training, drugs and food. But you can't build up your structure and shape of muscles - those are genetic gift.

Yes, gayer then muscle shaping exercises   ;D
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: Deicide on May 21, 2011, 02:37:55 PM
You can see the shape just has to be there. No way around that fact.

No one is born with enormous muscles but elite ones are born with the structure of a pro.

You  guys have to understand this. You have to build the size with training, drugs and food. But you can't build up your structure and shape of muscles - those are genetic gift.
That is what genetics of a pro mainly means; Structure, insertions, shape.


Did Levrone ever win an Arnold Classic? I can't remember.
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: Alex23 on May 21, 2011, 02:38:40 PM
You can see the shape just has to be there. No way around that fact.

No one is born with enormous muscles but elite ones are born with the structure of a pro.

You  guys have to understand this. You have to build the size with training, drugs and food. But you can't build up your structure and shape of muscles - those are genetic gift.

That is what genetics of a pro mainly means; Structure, insertions, shape.


QFT.

(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb425/A23Corp/1087733875_photobucket_60306_.jpg)
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: gh15 on May 21, 2011, 02:39:47 PM
again i will explain this AGAIN,,

i know you don't like dj from this boarding because he is coming off as hood language generation nothginess individual,,but he said one thing that you fellas need to remember ,,when you are getting lean ,,and when you are actuary lean it is very easy to grow,,it is very easy to cheat and grow ,,and it is quite hard to get fat,,yes you get blown and gain some water weight but you don't get fat,,

this is important to understand ,,that genetic has nothing to do with success in bodybuildin and getting pro card,,it is how you gain the muscle mass that counts,,

this is why i recommend to everyone to first get lean and then grow lean ,,,this is very very important,,see the common thing to all professional and many top amateur,,,they all were skinny muscular before,,small skinny muscles....leannnnnn,,then blew up

this is very very important to understand friends,,you always seem to forget it ,,and you always seem to look for the dantas that if you really notice are not only bloofy but pure mess of fat and water bloat,,there is a diff between water bloat and fat,,

do not listen to the fat fellas that are on hormones and hold water bloat over fat,,they will never accumulate to nothing ,,

you need to follow the lean fellas ,,yes the dj type of fellas that when take hormone blown daily to new dimensions,,now true the dj fella is in dream land about his natural status and about what he can achieve now day ,,but if you put him on hormones from the pic of him he keep showing at 150-160....he would blow out of the water into 180-190 with very low bodyfat and be considered serious contender in any competition in the light heavy weight division


gh15 approved
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: Deicide on May 21, 2011, 02:41:20 PM
Another great thing about Levrone is that he never got a GH gut like so many other pros. Props to him for that.
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: gh15 on May 21, 2011, 02:42:03 PM
You can see the shape just has to be there. No way around that fact.

No one is born with enormous muscles but elite ones are born with the structure of a pro.

You  guys have to understand this. You have to build the size with training, drugs and food. But you can't build up your structure and shape of muscles - those are genetic gift.
That is what genetics of a pro mainly means; Structure, insertions, shape.


what shape? he is skinny twig,,fella has skinny muscles 130lb if ...probably less,,this is very skinny muscle ,,he could maybe get naturaly to 170lb if put all his life in bodybuild ,,170 6% 5'9 ...this is indeed good structure but it is blown from very very young age with all you can eat buffet of horomones,,

hormones is THE ONLY name of the game ,,dont let anyone tell you otherwize,,it is the TIMING of those hormones that dictate how well you will do ,,many bodybuild just dont know how to do it ,,as simple as that

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: gh15 on May 21, 2011, 02:43:46 PM
Another great thing about Levrone is that he never got a GH gut like so many other pros. Props to him for that.

there is no such thing as gh gut,,the gut come from insulina usage in the doses you will not believe ,,its the addition of insulina to the gh that create the gut!,,not the food like i hear few saying ,,not the gh ,,,not the testosterona,,it is the insulina,,insulina with even 2000 calories a day added to gh for long enough time with high dose insulina will create the gut,,

period

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on May 21, 2011, 02:44:09 PM


Anyone have any pics of "genetics of a barrel" they can post?  thanks.

EDIT: Never mind. I see someone very kindly already posted a pic of "genetics of a barrel" in this thread.
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: G_Thang on May 21, 2011, 02:44:48 PM
QFT.

(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb425/A23Corp/1087733875_photobucket_60306_.jpg)

i'm not sure you'd lose weight on a cocktail of ex-lax and lasix.
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: The True Adonis on May 21, 2011, 02:44:56 PM
Drugs are just the finishing touch

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=377348.0;attach=414353;image) (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Uvy2Azj8TMY/TELfMIgY_HI/AAAAAAAADCA/N2fIk2ajLB0/s640/kevin_levrone11.jpg)
Looked a million times better without the steroids. HaHa
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 21, 2011, 02:45:48 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: Boost on May 21, 2011, 02:46:20 PM
what shape? he is skinny twig,,fella has skinny muscles 130lb if ...probably less,,this is very skinny muscle ,,he could maybe get naturaly to 170lb if put all his life in bodybuild ,,170 6% 5'9 ...this is indeed good structure but it is blown from very very young age with all you can eat buffet of horomones,,

hormones is THE ONLY name of the game ,,dont let anyone tell you otherwize,,it is the TIMING of those hormones that dictate how well you will do ,,many bodybuild just dont know how to do it ,,as simple as that

gh15 approved
::)

We're talking about the roundness of muscle bellies, Low calf and low lat instertions, symmetrical abs....

Maybe Ronnie's bicep peaks are the result of trenbolona, while Levrone's flat biceps are due to Masterona?

Can drugs give me those things?

 ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: mass243 on May 21, 2011, 02:46:25 PM
again i will explain this AGAIN,,

i know you don't like dj from this boarding because he is coming off as hood language generation nothginess individual,,but he said one thing that you fellas need to remember ,,when you are getting lean ,,and when you are actually lean it is very easy to grow,,it is very easy to cheat and grow ,,and it is quite hard to get fat,,yes you get blown and gain some water weight but you don't get fat,,

this is important to understand ,,that genetic has nothing to do with success in bodybuildin and getting pro card,,it is how you gain the muscle mass that counts,,

this is why i recommend to everyone to first get lean and then grow lean ,,,this is very very important,,see the common thing to all professional and many top amateur,,,they all were skinny muscular before,,small skinny muscles....leannnnnn,,then blew up

this is very very important to understand friends,,you always seem to forget it ,,and you always seem to look for the dantas that if you really notice are not only bloofy but pure mess of fat and water bloat,,there is a diff between water bloat and fat,,

do not listen to the fat fellas that are on hormones and hold water bloat over fat,,they wil never accumulate to nothing ,,

you need to follow the lean fellas ,,yes the dj type of fellas that when take hormone blown daily to new dimensions,,now true the dj fella is in dream land about his natural status and about what he can achieve now day ,,but if you put him on hormones from the pic of him he keep showing at 150-160....he would blow out of the water into 180-190 with very low bodyfat and be considered serious contender in any competition in the light heavy weight division


gh15 approved

Yo, gh15

Top pros being lean at the beginning is because that's how they were born.
Not because they dieted to get lean before bodybuilding. They were born with elite metabolism.

Dieting down to 6% for some kid who would sit at 16% by not doing anything, ain't doing a shit. It won't help that unfortunate kid to build world class physique. He just was not born the right way.

It all comes down to genetics.

Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: Deicide on May 21, 2011, 02:48:12 PM
Yo, gh15

Top pros being lean at the beginning is because that's how they were born.
Not because they dieted to get lean before bodybuilding. They were born with elite metabolism.

Dieting down to 6% for some kid who would sit at 16% by not doing anything, ain't doing a shit. It won't help that unfortunate kid to build world class physique. He just was not born the right way.

It all comes down to genetics.



Are you saying genetics=everything?
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: mass243 on May 21, 2011, 02:48:32 PM
::)

We're talking about the roundness of muscle bellies, Low calf and low lat instertions, symmetrical abs....

Maybe Ronnie's bicep peaks are the result of trenbolona, while Levrone's flat biceps are due to Masterona?

Can drugs give me those things?

 ::) ::) ::)

Exactly!

AT least someone understands this.

I'm not saying top pros are born with huge muscles. No one is. But they are born with those things Boost just listed.
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: tendonitis on May 21, 2011, 02:49:01 PM
QFT.

(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb425/A23Corp/1087733875_photobucket_60306_.jpg)

Seriously, do you ever just get sick of being obese?
You even have fuckin fat elbows you're so fat and out of shape.
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: mass243 on May 21, 2011, 02:49:56 PM
Are you saying genetics=everything?

FUK yes  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: _bruce_ on May 21, 2011, 02:50:51 PM
He was born white and turned brown?
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: gh15 on May 21, 2011, 02:51:13 PM
::)

We're talking about the roundness of muscle bellies, Low calf and low lat instertions, symmetrical abs....

Maybe Ronnie's bicep peaks are the result of trenbolona, while Levrone's flat biceps are due to Masterona?

Can drugs give me those things?

 ::) ::) ::)

hormones can not give you high peak if you never meant to have high peak ,,that's why we go seo ,,but the important thing in what i wrote that you need to read 100 more times is that hormones is what dictate how well you will do ,,and ONLY hormones and the legitimacy of those hormones,,what you see in picture is lean kid,,LEAN kid,,it doesn't matter what age ,,but if you want to grow right you need to first be lean ,,this is why i give you here my recommendations many time before,,

first get leannnn don't care about scale,, propioneta and trenbolona ace,, gh and masterona,,first get lean ,,get to 6% aftrrrrr you are there no mateter what weight even if 175 lb ...after you are there BLOW UPPP ON NPP,,GH ,,TESTOSTERONA ,,,only after you are lean your body will be able to blwo up right and maintain same level of bodyfat% with little water retention between skin and muscle,,most of the water will go INSIDE the muscle

i don't want it to be argued ,,just do it,,i give you here the way ,,you only need to comply

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: Boost on May 21, 2011, 02:58:09 PM
 :o
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: JasonH on May 21, 2011, 03:04:33 PM
Did Levrone ever win an Arnold Classic? I can't remember.

He did - '94 and '96.
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: Alex23 on May 21, 2011, 03:06:56 PM
:o

LOL I wish... always had the width but still chasing the fRANkenlook forehead ;D
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: Reeves on May 21, 2011, 04:11:31 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=377348.0;attach=414353)

Guess who  :)

Mulatto genetics!    ;) ;D In this picture he is as skinny as I am, just taller.  His  father was white and of Italian ancestry and his mother was black and American.  He was one of the better, if not the best of the people to populate the Olympia stage in recent years.  I think his physique better from an aesthetic standpoint than Dorian's and vastly superior to Ronaldo Coleslaw.  For the most part he is articulate (his ghetto-isms in his videos aside) and many women find him to be quite handsome.  

Like all bodybuilders of today, he is, or rather was, all drugs.
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: Per Se on May 21, 2011, 04:33:27 PM
He was born white and turned brown?

Exactly ;D
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: chunkramwell on May 21, 2011, 04:39:35 PM
Why is he going to give that poor dog a suplex?
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: Alex23 on May 21, 2011, 04:54:48 PM
Why is he going to give that poor dog a suplex?

LOL!!!!!!
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: mesmorph78 on May 21, 2011, 05:07:44 PM
its like some of you expected him to have triceps hanging off him from the moment he was born...
sometimes you can only see genetic potential after the person begins working out ... how his muscles repond to the train is the key genetic factor....
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: GroinkTropin on May 21, 2011, 05:39:17 PM
QFT.

(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb425/A23Corp/1087733875_photobucket_60306_.jpg)

Epic beard and hair. A lean version of this man would dominate hollywood.
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: wes on May 21, 2011, 06:13:55 PM
its like some of you expected him to have triceps hanging off him from the moment he was born...
sometimes you can only see genetic potential after the person begins working out ... how his muscles repond to the train is the key genetic factor....
^THIS^
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: gh15 on May 21, 2011, 07:02:09 PM
nothign to do with how genetic respond to training,,it is all to do with genetic respond to HORMONES,,training natural get you no where and will ever get you no where,,you will look fit thats where it ends with natural training,,

along the years you have seen many many examples,,i showed you here pictures of many bodybuild top and buttom ,,all the same idea behind ,,no hormones = no bodybuild,,

and just to make it completely clear,, ALOT OF HORMONES ON A REGULAR BASIS TO A POINT YOU WANNA THROW UP FROM HOW MANY HORMONES YOU BEEN TAKING FOR HOW LONG,, a bodybuild that is serious and go places take at the least AT THE LEAST one injection every single day of his life of oil ,,and few injections of gh,,this is before he hit the ifbb pro where it gets very very abusive ,,and i mean VERY

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: tendonitis on May 21, 2011, 07:25:27 PM
drugs are just the finishing 95%
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: The_Iron_Disciple on May 21, 2011, 08:12:04 PM
Damn, Kev was skinny as hell ! I was bigger than that comin' out between my mother's legs ! Jesus christ almighty !
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: brent2741 on May 21, 2011, 08:17:07 PM
Genetics play a significant role but so does consistency in training and diet, ive done cycles here and there but nothing "major", and by no means am i a pro but if i wanted to be i think i would have the tools to, so i think genetics to training play a more significant role


p.s i cant get it to post the pic straight up and down
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: stuntmovie on May 21, 2011, 09:02:08 PM
HERE ya go, Brent ....
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: stuntmovie on May 21, 2011, 09:15:06 PM
I think what's important to note here *but is being overlooked) is that ...

LeafyBug,  as seen in a few of his on-stage contest photos .... shows better conditioning and more bodybuilding potential than any IFBB Pro when they were a similar age with a similar amount of training experience.

He makes Kevin in the above shot look like a 'tall drink of water'.

And that includes the likes of Steve Reeves and most any other well known pro when he was Leaf's age.
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: The_Leafy_Bug on May 21, 2011, 09:18:30 PM
I think what's important to note here *but is being overlooked) is that ...

LeafyBug,  as seen in a few of his on-stage contest photos .... shows better conditioning and more bodybuilding potential than any IFBB Pro when they were a similar age with a similar amount of training experience.

He makes Kevin in the above shot look like a 'tall drink of water'.

And that includes the likes of Steve Reeves and most any other well known pro when he was Leaf's age.
UHhhh yea right.... Kevin at 23

Leaf at 23


I'd say he is light years ahead of me
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: RadOncDoc on May 21, 2011, 09:51:16 PM
I think what's important to note here *but is being overlooked) is that ...

LeafyBug,  as seen in a few of his on-stage contest photos .... shows better conditioning and more bodybuilding potential than any IFBB Pro when they were a similar age with a similar amount of training experience.

He makes Kevin in the above shot look like a 'tall drink of water'.

And that includes the likes of Steve Reeves and most any other well known pro when he was Leaf's age.



You'll find plenty of kids with physiques that blow out the physiques of current or past pros matched for age and drug status. Good God, you should see some of the African-American teenagers playing high school football these days. I've never bought into the argument that some pros have used on here that they are just "genetically elite." Too many of these guys looked like twinks before steroids and shrunk down to basically nothing after stopping them. I'd only go as far as to say that they are the most genetically elite of the very few people who are willing to make the "finishing touches" i.e.  pump themselves full of large amounts of illegal drugs and hormones.   I'd liken it to being something like the world's best log cutter...the potential pool of participants is small and being "the best" isn't necessarily the same as being the best in a sport that draws from a large population and is lucrative like, say, soccer or football.  The true genetically elite athletes are not going into bodybuilding. They're playing football and other lucrative sports. Give some of these 240 lb NFL monsters running 4.6 40s a bodybuilder's regimen of constant steroids, GH, and insulin and commit them solely to muscle building and see how they'd look. I bet you'd find plenty of Ronnie Colemans.
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: gh15 on May 22, 2011, 01:23:16 AM
Genetics play a significant role but so does consistency in training and diet, ive done cycles here and there but nothing "major", and by no means am i a pro but if i wanted to be i think i would have the tools to, so i think genetics to training play a more significant role


p.s i cant get it to post the pic straight up and down

not with this midsection friend,,gut too big for this level of development,,LOTS of water ,,and you just can not look like that before turning pro ,,if you had 32 inch waist,,for your thickness id say 34 inch waist then yes maybe,,but this is too much gym rat kind of bloat,,too fast usage of too many products from china

i keep tell you fella 200lb 32 inch waist,,if you cant get there then you'll never be professional

200lb 32 inch waist!  that mean 190 lb 31 inch waist...210 33 inch waist...

very few hold these measurements,,the ones who do end up high in bodybuild IF they take enough legit hormones to thicken them up into high competitive level,,

moment you fellas understand that being 240 with 38 inch waist means absolutely nothing unless you are profesional and conditioned,,

notice what happen to all the fellas who are 250 lb 8% ....they go on stage 200..and look like shit! notice it they never place top 10 in any nationality,,, they are all insulina and gh ,,

it has to be build the right way ,,unless you have very good muscle shape and can pull illusion but even then you see phillip heath ,,shame for bodybuild,,never the less he had the muscle shape ,,even though grew it to a fake size as icall it ...he had the muscle shape since he started lean ,,

lean is the key

small waist is the key

wide delts are the key

and phenomenal respond to hormones

maybe if you took your hormones more serious ...you would be having better chance ,,but! according to what i see in picture you already take them very very seriously ,, just too much all over the place,,it all got to be build the right way ,,never compromise being lean to add bloofiness,,it got to be added as lean growth ,,if you cant you wil never see pro card,,and this come only if you have the right legit products ,,you wont grow lean with out hgh ,,never happen ,,you may maintain muscle whiel decreasing bodyfat on trenbolona...but you wil never grow lean as in scale weight/size with out gh

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: dj181 on May 22, 2011, 01:37:00 AM
again i will explain this AGAIN,,

i know you don't like dj from this boarding because he is coming off as hood language generation nothginess individual,,but he said one thing that you fellas need to remember ,,when you are getting lean ,,and when you are actually lean it is very easy to grow,,it is very easy to cheat and grow ,,and it is quite hard to get fat,,yes you get blown and gain some water weight but you don't get fat,,

this is important to understand ,,that genetic has nothing to do with success in bodybuildin and getting pro card,,it is how you gain the muscle mass that counts,,

this is why i recommend to everyone to first get lean and then grow lean ,,,this is very very important,,see the common thing to all professional and many top amateur,,,they all were skinny muscular before,,small skinny muscles....leannnnnn,,then blew up

this is very very important to understand friends,,you always seem to forget it ,,and you always seem to look for the dantas that if you really notice are not only bloofy but pure mess of fat and water bloat,,there is a diff between water bloat and fat,,

do not listen to the fat fellas that are on hormones and hold water bloat over fat,,they wil never accumulate to nothing ,,

you need to follow the lean fellas ,,yes the dj type of fellas that when take hormone blown daily to new dimensions,,now true the dj fella is in dream land about his natural status and about what he can achieve now day ,,but if you put him on hormones from the pic of him he keep showing at 150-160....he would blow out of the water into 180-190 with very low bodyfat and be considered serious contender in any competition in the light heavy weight decision


gh15 approved


I'm curious, what do you think I can achieve nowadays? I'm currently sitting at sub-8, and my arm is measuring in at 14.75 inches, and this is a relatively lean and conditioned arm measurement, as I am sitting at a legit sub-8. Do you think that I could hit 16 inches while staying at sub-8?
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: lovemonkey on May 22, 2011, 01:44:16 AM

I'm curious, what do you think I can achieve nowadays? I'm currently sitting at sub-8, and my arm is measuring in at 14.75 inches, and this is a relatively lean and conditioned arm measurement, as I am sitting at a legit sub-8. Do you think that I could hit 16 inches while staying at sub-8?

SHUT UP!!!!! SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: alnassak on May 22, 2011, 01:47:56 AM
Guess who  :)

I didn't recoginze him when I see him first.  He was skiny and in good condition already  ;D
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: gh15 on May 22, 2011, 01:48:28 AM

I'm curious, what do you think I can achieve nowadays? I'm currently sitting at sub-8, and my arm is measuring in at 14.75 inches, and this is a relatively lean and conditioned arm measurement, as I am sitting at a legit sub-8. Do you think that I could hit 16 inches while staying at sub-8?

no,,you need either to get to normal wieght of 180 ...or use hormones,, there is no natural bodybuild,,ofcourse you can hit 16 inches 8-9% but what are you achiving with that? every other guy thqat touch weight and 15% had 16.5 inch arm...so he will look bigger than you and not fat kind of thick ,,you look too fragile naturaly ,,none of the fellas who you think are naturals are truly naturals,,look at you and look at lay ,,he should be hang just for what he does to kids like you and like genetics = everything fella

there is no natural bodybuild,,not for a very long time,,

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: lovemonkey on May 22, 2011, 01:57:54 AM
no,,you need either to get to normal wieght of 180 ...or use hormones,, there is no natural bodybuild,,ofcourse you can hit 16 inches 8-9% but what are you achiving with that? every other guy thqat touch weight and 15% had 16.5 inch arm...so he will look bigger than you and not fat kind of thick ,,you look too fragile naturaly ,,none of the fellas who you think are naturals are truly naturals,,look at you and look at lay ,,he should be hang just for what he does to kids like you and like genetics = everything fella

there is no natural bodybuild,,not for a very long time,,

gh15 approved

Hey gh,

On a scale from 0 to 100%, how well developed is my build as a natural? 100% being the absolute max. I'm 190cm and weighed in at 90kg this morning. Also what would you say my bf% is?

I'll throw in a treat for you as thanks.
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: dj181 on May 22, 2011, 02:09:44 AM
SHUT UP!!!!! SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SUCK MA DICK!
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on May 22, 2011, 02:20:06 AM
Genetics play a significant role but so does consistency in training and diet, ive done cycles here and there but nothing "major", and by no means am i a pro but if i wanted to be i think i would have the tools to, so i think genetics to training play a more significant role


p.s i cant get it to post the pic straight up and down
holy shit you sir are a thick mother fucker
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: Dr Dutch on May 22, 2011, 02:22:37 AM
 :D
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: disco_stu on May 22, 2011, 02:31:09 AM
according to gh15 you must now stay on otherwise you will lose all of your gains.

leafy- gh15 doesnt listen to me- maybe he will to you..maybe you could go completely off for a year or so and keep on your training and show him that most, if not all of your gains will be held- and i'll bet that you will still even surpass the "on" cycle after a few months..

the problem is that gh15 doesnt know anybody who doesnt train without drugs..and when they stop drugs, they dont train.

that, and the fact that all he knows is what the drug apes around him- and himself do... he has no ability to read literature or make objective observations or - heaven forbid, research...

Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: gh15 on May 22, 2011, 02:44:20 AM
according to gh15 you must now stay on otherwise you will lose all of your gains.

leafy- gh15 doesn't listen to me- maybe he will to you..maybe you could go completely off for a year or so and keep on your training and show him that most, if not all of your gains will be held- and I'll bet that you will still even surpass the "on" cycle after a few months..

the problem is that gh15 doesn't know anybody who doesn't train without drugs..and when they stop drugs, they don't train.

that, and the fact that all he knows is what the drug apes around him- and himself do... he has no ability to read literature or make objective observations or - heaven forbid, research...



he cant,,moment he go off for a year he will look like ,,well like he never touched a weight in his life,,,and i mean it,,he will not only will look like he never touched a weight but he will be considered chubby notice what i say NOT CHUNKY NOT BOOFY NOT ,,, chubby!

nothing to do with literature ,,i just trained too many naturals and competed too many years on npc and ifbb stages all around the world,,but in particular i trained naturals ,,true naturals not the wanna be hormonized naturals you see now,,i actually TRAIN! true naturals,,so im very awre of the limits and what is possible or not,,

my word is stone

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: gh15 on May 22, 2011, 02:47:53 AM
by the way you already saw what leaf look like when he got back to gym...back a year ago ,,when he wanted to quit,,stop with this balonie,,you are talking here to god of hormones i don't even know why i respond to you ,,i just like stimulation and I'm bored right this second,,so mark the answer and read it 50 more times,, leaf os one of the fellas that would absolutely disappear with out hormones,,and its not against him its almost anyone on hormones,,but in his case since his competition weight is low as in 180...this is very fragile situation ,,he may be able to weigh 190-200lb off hormones...in the off season with 15-16% but you wont see any muscle,,you will only see it as one thing and one description

after 6 months clean you will call it bloofy

after 12 months you will call it chubbchubb

and past the year mark you will not even acknowledge it because you wont even guess he worked out

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: pellius on May 22, 2011, 04:06:41 AM
nothing to do with how genetic respond to training,,it is all to do with genetic respond to HORMONES,,training naturally get you no where and will ever get you no where,,you will look fit thats where it ends with natural training,,

along the years you have seen many many examples,,i showed you here pictures of many bodybuild top and bottom ,,all the same idea behind ,,no hormones = no bodybuild,,

and just to make it completely clear,, ALOT OF HORMONES ON A REGULAR BASIS TO A POINT YOU WANNA THROW UP FROM HOW MANY HORMONES YOU BEEN TAKING FOR HOW LONG,, a bodybuild that is serious and go places take at the least AT THE LEAST one injection every single day of his life of oil ,,and few injections of gh,,this is before he hit the ifbb pro where it gets very very abusive ,,and i mean VERY

gh15 approved

So daily injections is not yet at the abusive stage in the bodybuilding world? I guess when you consider pros have to inject themselves more than once in various muscle groups including arms and even calves with SEO then bodybuilders are a pretty tough bunch. Most normal people cry when they get their flu shot and I believe it's water base and they use a 25 gauge. Imagine sticking a needle in your bicep with an oil base product?
What a miserable life a pro must live. But I guess they just get use to it and they have to be a little bit crazy to put themselves through all this anyway.
 
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: closeline on May 22, 2011, 04:11:16 AM
You can see the shape just has to be there. No way around that fact.

No one is born with enormous muscles but elite ones are born with the structure of a pro.

You  guys have to understand this. You have to build the size with training, drugs and food. But you can't build up your structure and shape of muscles - those are genetic gift.
That is what genetics of a pro mainly means; Structure, insertions, shape.


+ response to drugs


Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: dj181 on May 22, 2011, 04:12:03 AM
no,,you need either to get to normal wieght of 180 ...or use hormones,, there is no natural bodybuild,,ofcourse you can hit 16 inches 8-9% but what are you achiving with that? every other guy thqat touch weight and 15% had 16.5 inch arm...so he will look bigger than you and not fat kind of thick ,,you look too fragile naturaly ,,none of the fellas who you think are naturals are truly naturals,,look at you and look at lay ,,he should be hang just for what he does to kids like you and like genetics = everything fella

there is no natural bodybuild,,not for a very long time,,

gh15 approved

Thanks, my arm actually was 16 inches last summer, but I was a true fatass at that time, round 15-16%. And yes, there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE btw a 16 inch arm at 6-7% and a 16 inch arm at 15-16%
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: closeline on May 22, 2011, 04:13:42 AM
how could he manage the heavy lift s with this structure without braking down every single joint
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: brent2741 on May 22, 2011, 06:10:44 AM
not with this midseciton friend,,gut too big for this level of development,,LOTS of water ,,and you just can not look like that before turning pro ,,if you had 32 inch waist,,for your thickness id say 34 inch waist then yes maybe,,but this is too much gym rat kind of bloat,,too fast usage of too many products from china

i keep tell you fella 200lb 32 inch waist,,if you cant get there then you'll never be professional

200lb 32 inch waist!  that mean 190 lb 31 inch waist...210 33 inch waist...

very few hold these measurements,,the ones who do end up high in bodybuild IF they take enough legit hormones to thicken them up into high competitive level,,

moment you fellas understand that being 240 with 38 inch waist means absolutely nothing unless you are professional and conditioned,,

notice what happen to all the fellas who are 250 lb 8% ....they go on stage 200..and look like shit! notice it they never place top 10 in any national,,, they are all insulina and gh ,,

it has to be build the right way ,,unless you have very good muscle shape and can pull illusion but even then


you see phillip heath ,,shame for bodybuild,,never the less he had the muscle shape ,,even though grew it to


a fake size as icall it ...he had the muscle shape since he started lean ,,

lean is the key

small waist is the key


wide delts are the key

and phenominal respond to hormones

maybe if you took your hormones more serious ...you woudl be having better chance ,,but! according to what i see in picture you already take them very very seriously ,, just too much all over the place,,it all got to be build the right way ,,never compramise being lean to add bloofiness,,it got to be added as lean growth ,,if you cant you wil never see pro card,,and this come only if you have the right legit products ,,you wont grow lean with out hgh ,,never happen ,,you may maintain muscle whiel decreasing bodyfat on trenbolona...but you wil never grow lean as in scale weight/size with out gh

gh15 approved

I think u missed my point, i have no dreams of becoming a "pro" nor do i train or use drugs like one,just sayin that response to training plays an important role i
Progress, and once again you are way off on your assesment of what i take or have taken :)
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: tendonitis on May 22, 2011, 06:12:52 AM
:D

Is Silvio still in jail?
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: Meso_z on May 22, 2011, 06:48:45 AM
From personal experience, you can keep 70% of your gains over a period of 5 months, assuming you are consistant and smart with your training and your diet.
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: Meso_z on May 22, 2011, 06:53:13 AM
SUCK MA DICK!
lol
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: Wiggs on May 22, 2011, 09:18:19 AM
Seriously, do you ever just get sick of being obese?
You even have fuckin fat elbows you're so fat and out of shape.


That's not obese bro...Perhaps by bodybuilding standards...Alex is large man with muscles.
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: Alex23 on May 22, 2011, 11:11:38 AM
Genetics play a significant role but so does consistency in training and diet, ive done cycles here and there but nothing "major", and by no means am i a pro but if i wanted to be i think i would have the tools to, so i think genetics to training play a more significant role


p.s i cant get it to post the pic straight up and down


Looking solid Brent. Getbig needs more guys like you to counterweight the faceless twinks.
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: Coach is Back! on May 22, 2011, 11:17:41 AM
So daily injections is not yet at the abusive stage in the bodybuilding world? I guess when you consider pros have to inject themselves more than once in various muscle groups including arms and even calves with SEO then bodybuilders are a pretty tough bunch. Most normal people cry when they get their flu shot and I believe it's water base and they use a 25 gauge. Imagine sticking a needle in your bicep with an oil base product?
What a miserable life a pro must live. But I guess they just get use to it and they have to be a little bit crazy to put themselves through all this anyway.
 

This
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: closeline on May 22, 2011, 11:18:23 AM
best genetics (as  always german)
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: gh15 on May 22, 2011, 11:20:29 AM
This

lol ,,whats wrogn with injecting yourself every day few times? you learn to love it ,,

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: Coach is Back! on May 22, 2011, 11:24:39 AM
lol ,,whats wrogn with injecting yourself every day few times? you learn to love it ,,

gh15 approved

When your body starts to turn into one big mass of scar tissue you start to run out places to inject!
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: gh15 on May 22, 2011, 11:34:02 AM
When your body starts to turn into one big mass of scar tissue you start to run out places to inject!

injected plenty of time to scar tissue ,,infact all the tie,,take extra day to get fully absorbed,,i don't know where this rumor started that scar tissue wont take steroid,,it works just as well,,it just more painful when it come to the injection ,,scar tissue not scar tissue...the steroid always get to the blood,,if it doesn't..you will have infection  :) since no one has infections all over the place since you would have fever for long time and be laying in bed for a few days in a regular basis ...that means that scar tissue means nothing,,,everything can be inject to the right cheek butt and to the left cheek butt,,its absorbed ...little slower but absorbed,,another day of hormone in the blood...

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: The_Leafy_Bug on May 22, 2011, 11:39:55 AM
When your body starts to turn into one big mass of scar tissue you start to run out places to inject!
That's why we have deep tissue massage coach.... duh    ;)
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: hipolito mejia on May 22, 2011, 11:42:21 AM
He looked like a white kid when he was younger, Ive always noticed in some of his bodybuilding hardcore videos he talks like a black guy, then on Youtube like a white "dude".



A great character... All drugs (and lots of them) got him to a 2nd place at the Mr.O  twice.
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: Earl1972 on May 22, 2011, 01:03:45 PM
MR. LEVRONE :o :o

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Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on May 22, 2011, 01:04:56 PM
there is no such thing as gh gut,,the gut come from insulina usage in the doses you will not believe ,,its the addition of insulina to the gh that create the gut!,,not the food like i hear few saying ,,not the gh ,,,not the testosterona,,it is the insulina,,insulina with even 2000 calories a day added to gh for long enough time with high dose insulina will create the gut,,

period

gh15 approved

Agreed. And whats strange is "the coach" has an insulin gut on stage but claims to not use insulin.
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: stuntmovie on May 22, 2011, 01:13:47 PM
Sure, Leaf! He looks better than you NOW, but 'potential - wise' I would say that your BB potential is far superior when comparing your contest shots to that begining shot of Kevin shown earlier.

Good to know that you are not a "bragger" when it comes to muscle potential though. From my viewpoint ... that's commendable.

Too many of us brag with absolutely nothing to brag about.
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: The_Leafy_Bug on May 22, 2011, 01:56:53 PM
Sure, Leaf! He looks better than you NOW, but 'potential - wise' I would say that your BB potential is far superior when comparing your contest shots to that begining shot of Kevin shown earlier.

Good to know that you are not a "bragger" when it comes to muscle potential though. From my viewpoint ... that's commendable.

Too many of us brag with absolutely nothing to brag about.
Still owns me... Now there is a picture floating around of me at about the age of 5 where i could potentially own him but im going to have to get that when i get home next time.  ;D
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: Earl1972 on May 22, 2011, 02:12:30 PM
you can definitely see Mr. Levrone's potential

very lean body while probably eating a typical kids junk food diet

he has chest and traps before ever touching a weight, a guy with average or worse genetics won't have any development at all for any bodypart

you can say a lot of kids look like this, but there are probably more that don't look like this

add in his obvious great response to drugs, you have the MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE

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Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: lovemonkey on May 22, 2011, 02:14:52 PM
you can definitely see Mr. Levrone's potential

very lean body while probably eating a typical kids junk food diet

he has chest and traps before ever touching a weight, a guy with average or worse genetics won't have any development at all for any bodypart

you can say a lot of kids look like this, but there are probably more that don't look like this

add in his obvious great response to drugs, you have the MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE

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half italian, half amazing!!!!!


 ::)
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: Earl1972 on May 22, 2011, 02:15:24 PM
half italian, half amazing!!!!!


 ::)

you disagree?

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Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: The_Leafy_Bug on May 22, 2011, 02:16:03 PM
half italian, half amazing!!!!!


 ::)
Racist isn't it? Why couldn't it have been "Half African American half Amazing!"
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: Earl1972 on May 22, 2011, 02:17:43 PM
Racist isn't it? Why couldn't it have been "Half African American half Amazing!"

because his last name is italian and he looks more white than black

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Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: jaejonna on May 22, 2011, 06:41:24 PM
yeah bugsy187 thats not genes of a pro either...thanks for playing
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: Palpatine Q on May 23, 2011, 01:45:54 PM

Looking solid Brent. Getbig needs more guys like you to counterweight the faceless twinks.

Amen to that..you can't take two steps around here with stepping on one of these anonymous cockroaches
Title: Re: Genetics of a Pro!!!
Post by: brent2741 on May 23, 2011, 02:03:58 PM
Amen to that..you can't take two steps around here with stepping on one of these anonymous cockroaches
its funny the actual big guys or people who workout on here actually have a lot of respect for each other for the most part, its all the "other" that seem to cause the most problems