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China warns US against war with Pakistan
China has officially put the United States on notice that Washington’s planned attack on Pakistan will be interpreted as an act of aggression against Beijing. This blunt warning represents the first known strategic ultimatum received by the United States in half a century, going back to Soviet warnings during the Berlin crisis of 1958-1961, and indicates the grave danger of general war growing out of the US-Pakistan confrontation.
“Any Attack on Pakistan Would be Construed as an Attack on China”
Responding to reports that China has asked the US to respect Pakistan’s sovereignty in the aftermath of the Bin Laden operation, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Jiang Yu used a May 19 press briefing to state Beijing’s categorical demand that the “sovereignty and territorial integrity of Pakistan must be respected.” According to Pakistani diplomatic sources cited by the Times of India, China has “warned in unequivocal terms that any attack on Pakistan would be construed as an attack on China.” This ultimatum was reportedly delivered at the May 9 China-US strategic dialogue and economic talks in Washington, where the Chinese delegation was led by Vice Prime Minister Wang Qishan and State Councilor Dai Bingguo.1 Chinese warnings are implicitly backed up by that nation’s nuclear missiles, including an estimated 66 ICBMs, some capable of striking the United States, plus 118 intermediate-range missiles, 36 submarine-launched missiles, and numerous shorter-range systems.
Support from China is seen by regional observers as critically important for Pakistan, which is otherwise caught in a pincers between the US and India: “If US and Indian pressure continues, Pakistan can say ‘China is behind us. Don’t think we are isolated, we have a potential superpower with us,’” Talat Masood, a political analyst and retired Pakistani general, told AFP.2
The Chinese ultimatum came during the visit of Pakistani Prime Minister Gilani in Beijing, during which the host government announced the transfer of 50 state-of-the-art JF-17 fighter jets to Pakistan, immediately and without cost.3 Before his departure, Gilani had stressed the importance of the Pakistan-China alliance, proclaiming: “We are proud to have China as our best and most trusted friend. And China will always find Pakistan standing beside it at all times….When we speak of this friendship as being taller than the Himalayas and deeper than the oceans it truly captures the essence of our relationship.”4 These remarks were greeted by whining from US spokesmen, including Idaho Republican Senator Risch.
The simmering strategic crisis between the United States and Pakistan exploded with full force on May 1, with the unilateral and unauthorized US commando raid alleged to have killed the phantomatic Osama bin Laden in a compound at Abottabad, a flagrant violation of Pakistan’s national sovereignty. The timing of this military stunt designed to inflame tensions between the two countries had nothing to do with any alleged Global War on Terror, and everything to do with the late March visit to Pakistan of Prince Bandar, the Saudi Arabian National Security Council chief. This visit had resulted in a de facto alliance between Islamabad and Riyadh, with Pakistan promising troops to put down any US-backed color revolution in the kingdom, while extending nuclear protection to the Saudis, thus making them less vulnerable to US extortion threats to abandon the oil-rich monarchy to the tender mercies of Tehran. A joint move by Pakistan and Saudi Arabia to break out of the US empire, whatever one may think of these regimes, would represent a fatal blow for the fading US empire in South Asia.
As for the US claims concerning the supposed Bin Laden raid of May 1, they are a mass of hopeless contradictions which changes from day to day. An analysis of this story is best left to literary critics and writers of theatrical reviews. The only solid and uncontestable fact which emerges is that Pakistan is the leading US target — thus intensifying the anti-Pakistan US policy which has been in place since Obama’s infamous December 2009 West Point speech.
Gilani: Full Force Retaliation to Defend Pakistan’s Strategic Assets
The Chinese warning to Washington came on the heels of Gilani’s statement to the Pakistan Parliament declaring: “Let no one draw any wrong conclusions. Any attack against Pakistan’s strategic assets, whether overt or covert, will find a matching response…. Pakistan reserves the right to retaliate with full force. No one should underestimate the resolve and capability of our nation and armed forces to defend our sacred homeland.”5 A warning of full force retaliation from a nuclear power such as Pakistan needs to be taken seriously, even by the hardened aggressors of the Obama regime.
The strategic assets Gilani is talking about are the Pakistani nuclear forces, the key to the country’s deterrent strategy against possible aggression by India, egged on by Washington in the framework of the US-India nuclear cooperation accord. The US forces in Afghanistan have not been able to conceal their extensive planning for attempts to seize or destroy Pakistan’s nuclear bombs and warheads. According to a 2009 Fox News report, “The United States has a detailed plan for infiltrating Pakistan and securing its mobile arsenal of nuclear warheads if it appears the country is about to fall under the control of the Taliban, Al Qaeda or other Islamic extremists.” This plan was developed by General Stanley McChrystal when he headed the US Joint Special Operations Command at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. JSOC, the force reportedly involved in the Bin Laden operation. is composed of Army Delta Force, Navy SEALs and “a high-tech special intelligence unit known as Task Force Orange.” “Small units could seize [Pakistan’s nukes], disable them, and then centralize them in a secure location,” claimed a source quoted by Fox.6
Obama Has Already Approved Sneak Attack on Pakistan’s Nukes
According to the London Sunday Express, Obama has already approved an aggressive move along these lines: “US troops will be deployed in Pakistan if the nation’s nuclear installations come under threat from terrorists out to avenge the killing of Osama Bin Laden… The plan, which would be activated without President Zardari’s consent, provoked an angry reaction from Pakistan officials… Barack Obama would order troops to parachute in to protect key nuclear missile sites. These include the air force’s central Sargodha HQ, home base for nuclear-capable F-16 combat aircraft and at least 80 ballistic missiles.” According to a US official, “The plan is green lit and the President has already shown he is willing to deploy troops in Pakistan if he feels it is important for national security.”7
Extreme tension over this issue highlights the brinksmanship and incalculable folly of Obama’s May 1 unilateral raid, which might easily have been interpreted by the Pakistanis as the long-awaited attack on their nuclear forces. According to the New York Times, Obama knew very well he was courting immediate shooting war with Pakistan, and “insisted that the assault force hunting down Osama bin Laden last week be large enough to fight its way out of Pakistan if confronted by hostile local police officers and troops.”
The Shooting Has Already Started
The shooting between US and Pakistani forces escalated on Tuesday May 17, when a US NATO helicopter violated Pakistani airspace in Waziristan. Pakistani forces showed heightened alert status, and opened fire immediately, with the US helicopter shooting back. Two soldiers at a Pakistani check post on the border in the Datta Khel area were wounded.8
Possible Pakistani retaliation for this border incursion came in Peshawar on Friday, May 20, when a car bomb apparently targeted a 2-car US consulate convoy, but caused no American deaths or injuries. One Pakistani bystander was killed, and several wounded. In other intelligence warfare, Ary One television reported the name of the CIA station chief in Islamabad, the second top US resident spook there to have his cover blown in six months.
US Envoy Grossman Rejects Pakistani Calls To Stop Border Violations
US Special Representative to Afghanistan and Pakistan Marc Grossman, the replacement for the late Richard Holbrooke, on May 19 arrogantly rejected Pakistani calls for guarantees that no more Abottabad-style unilateral operations would be mounted in Pakistan.9 In refusing to offer such assurances, Grossman claimed that Pakistani officials had never demanded respect for their border in recent years.10
In the midst of this strategic crisis, India has gone ahead with inherently provocative scheduled military maneuvers targeting Pakistan. This is the “Vijayee Bhava” (Be Victorious) drill, held in the Thar desert of north Rajastan,. This atomic-biological-chemical Blitzkrieg drill involves the Second Armored Corps, “considered to be the most crucial of the Indian Army’s three principal strike formations tasked with virtually cutting Pakistan in two during a full-fledged war.”11
The Nation: A CIA-RAW-Mossad Pseudo-Taliban Countergang
One way to provide the provocation needed to justify a US-Indian attack on Pakistan would be through an increase in terrorist actions attributable to the so-called Taliban. According to the mainstream Pakistani media, the CIA, the Israeli Mossad, and the Indian RAW (Research and Analysis Wing) have created their own version of the Taliban in the form of a terrorist countergang which they control and direct. According to one account, “Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) operatives have infiltrated the Taliban and Al-Qaeda networks, and have created their own Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) force in order to destabilize Pakistan.” The former Punjab Regional Commander of the Pakistani Inter-Service Intelligence (ISI), retired Brigadier General Aslam Ghuman, commented: “During my visit to the US, I learned that the Israeli spy agency Mossad, in connivance with Indian agency RAW, under the direct supervision of CIA, planned to destabilize Pakistan at any cost.”12 Was this countergang responsible for last week’s double bombing in Waziristan, which killed 80 paramilitary police?
According to the same account, Russian intelligence “disclosed that CIA contractor Raymond Davis and his network had provided Al-Qaeda operatives with chemical, nuclear and biological weapons, so that US installations may be targeted and Pakistan be blamed….” Davis, a JSOC veteran himself, was arrested for the murder of two ISI agents, but then released by the Pakistani government after a suspicious hue and cry by the State Department.
CIA Claims The New Al Qaeda Boss Lives in Waziristan
If the US needs a further pretext for additional raids, it will also be easy to cite the alleged presence in Waziristan of Saif al-Adel, now touted by the CIA as bin Laden’s likely successor as boss of al Qaeda.13 It is doubtless convenient for Obama’s aggressive intentions that Saif al-Adel can be claimed to reside so close to what is now the hottest border in the world, and not in Finsbury or Flatbush.
In the wake of the unauthorized May 1 US raid, the Pakistani military chief General Kayani had issued his own warning that similar “misadventures” could not be repeated, while announcing that US personnel inside Pakistan would be sharply reduced. In the estimate of one ISI source, there are currently about 7,000 CIA operatives in country, many of them unknown to the Pakistani government. US-Pakistan intelligence sharing has reportedly been downgraded. In response to Kayani’s moves, the CIA limited hangout operation known as Wikileaks once again showed its real nature by attempting to discredit the Pakistan commander with dubious US cable reports that he had demanded more Predator drone attacks, not fewer, in recent years.
Especially since Obama’s West Point speech, the CIA has used Predator drone attacks to slaughter civilians with the goal of fomenting civil war inside Pakistan, leading to a breakup of the country along the ethnic lines of Punjab, Sind, Baluchistan, and Pushtunistan. The geopolitical goal is to destroy Pakistan’s potential to be the energy corridor between Iran and China. Selig Harrison has emerged as a top US advocate for Baluchistan succession.
Since May 1, six reported US Predator drones attacks have slain some 42 Pakistani civilians, goading public opinion into a frenzy of anti-US hatred. In response, a joint session of the Pakistani parliament voted unanimously on May 14 to demand an end to American missile strikes, calling on the government to cut NATO’s supply line to Afghanistan if the attacks should continue.14 Since the Karachi to Khyber Pass supply line carries as much as two thirds of the supplies needed by the Afghanistan invaders, such a cutoff would cause chaos among the NATO forces. All of this points to the inherent insanity of provoking war with the country your supply line runs through.
US Wants to Use Taliban Boss Mullah Omar Against Pakistan
The State Department dropped all preconditions for negotiating with the Taliban back in February, and the US is now reported by the Washington Post to be talking with envoys of Mullah Omar, the legendary one-eyed leader of the Quetta Shura or Taliban ruling council. It is apparent that the US is offering the Taliban an alliance against Pakistan. US regional envoy Grossman is hostile to the Pakistanis, but when it comes to the Taliban he has been nicknamed “Mr. Reconciliation.”15 By contrast, the US is said to be determined to assassinate the head of the Haqqani network using a Bin Laden-type raid. The Pakistanis are equally determined to keep the Haqqani as an ally.
If China stands behind Pakistan, then Russia might be said to stand behind China. Looking forward to the upcoming June 15 meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, Chinese President Hu praised Sino-Russian relations as being “at an unprecedented high point,” with an “obvious strategic ingredient.” In a press conference this week, Russian President Medvedev was obliged indirectly to acknowledge that the much-hyped Obama “reset” with Russia had amounted to very little, since the US ABM missile program in Romania and the rest of eastern Europe, so obviously directed against Russia, means that the START treaty is of dubious value, thus raising the specter of a “new Cold War.” Given the NATO assault on Libya, there would be no UN resolution against Syria, said Medvedev. Putin has been right all along, and Medvedev is trying to imitate Putin to salvage some chance of remaining in power.
Are We in July 1914?
The crisis leading to World War I began with the Sarajevo assassinations of June 28, 1914, but the first major declaration of war did not occur until August 1. In the interim month of July 1914, large parts of European public opinion retreated into a dreamlike trance, an idyllic la-la land of elegiac illusion, even as the deadly crisis gathered momentum. Something similar can be seen today. Many Americans fondly imagine that the alleged death of Bin Laden marks the end of the war on terror and the Afghan War. Instead, the Bin Laden operation has clearly ushered in a new strategic emergency. Forces which had opposed the Iraq war, from MSNBC to many left liberals of the peace movement, are variously supporting Obama’s bloody aggression in Libya, or even celebrating him as a more effective warmonger than Bush-Cheney because of his supposed success at the expense of Bin Laden. In reality, if there were ever a time to mobilize to stop a new and wider war, this is it.
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The world would indeed be a safer place if the Yanks all fucked off back home and minded their own business. Fat chance of that though.
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The world would indeed be a safer place if the Yanks all fucked off back home and minded their own business. Fat chance of that though.
True, but that also applies for China
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True, but that also applies for China
Yep, they need to stay the fuck out of Africa...and China pretty much gets dicked over in Wars with other countries...
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The world would indeed be a safer place if the Yanks all fucked off back home and minded their own business. Fat chance of that though.
Yeah, I'm sure they would just leave us alone if we did that..... ::)
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The world would indeed be a safer place if the Yanks all fucked off back home and minded their own business. Fat chance of that though.
no it wouldnt
china can fuck themselves
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I can't see the US invading Pakistan. What would be the point?
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I can't see the US invading Pakistan. What would be the point?
yeah, invade what?
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i guess national security can't sell that Hugo and Fidel are threats anymore.
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Maybe they have drugs, uranium or vintage weider magazines?
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Considering how much we owe China and the fact that China probably has enough Nuclear weapons to blast the shit out of us, I'd imagine the US will slowly backpeddle from this one...
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OMG, this is getting a little out of hand already... USA can bombard shitholes no one really cares but it's not too wise to piss off china-men also! They are far behind in arms and in technology but fuk yes they could do some serious damage. And it wouldn't end there. USA would need help from allies in Europe and after that The Russian Federation would be forced to step in also - for a side or another but they would be forced to step in... with their world's most powerful nuke arsenal and only military in world able to reach their hand on American soil. Then we are ready for WW3... Nice :D
US won't do that. Even oubamamama can't be that dumb. Can't he?
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China gives us our money. If we want to continue our wars we should really listen to them.
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The world would indeed be a safer place if the Yanks all fucked off back home and minded their own business. Fat chance of that though.
stupid mother fucker, actually it s exactly the opposite. But you re way too ignorant to understand this.
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Considering how much we owe China and the fact that China probably has enough Nuclear weapons to blast the shit out of us, I'd imagine the US will slowly backpeddle from this one...
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Reciprocity---think Venom's symbiotic relationship with Eddie Brock...the symbiote gives Eddie Spiderman's strength, senses, abilities, agility, etc. Eddie gives the symbiote a body...We owe China money, but we consume more of their cheap products
Odd thing, one of he major factors of us winning WWII was our manufacturing abilities--and we hardly manufacturer anything now...
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stupid mother fucker, actually it s exactly the opposite. But you re way too ignorant to understand this.
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stupid mother fucker, actually it s exactly the opposite. But you re way too ignorant to understand this.
haha how ironic. Fool.
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Odd thing, one of he major factors of us winning WWII ...
Americans were cowards during the WWII,
ingland+russia destroyed hitler, americana chimed in at the last second when war=almost finished
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Americans were cowards during the WWII,
ingland+russia destroyed hitler, americana chimed in at the last second when war=almost finished
Don't let facts get in the way of a 'America saving the day' ending ;D
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in blue, american allies.... picture shows how the US thru the use of TV , dollars and internet promote their culture to the whole world. Everyone wants to become american. Since ww2 and tv everyone imitate the american way of life, capitalism and meritocracy. The red and pink countries are the next countries the US want to convert, pressuring them by surrounding them with occidental influences and money.
The risk ; these countries copy capitalism, hedonism, materialism, but stay religious; wether they re chinese or muslims. Russia will be assimilated and might need the help of europeans and the us if china wants to invade them. The problem is that europeans are being replaced by muslims, it means that in less than one century all the europeans nukes will be in the hands of muslims, as will europe as a whole. Russians dont reproduce anymore.
There s going to be an alliance between chineses and muslims to annihilate europe and north america. If occidentals disappear, then chinese will eradicate muslims.
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Gooks SUCK --- get it now ?? for those who have been sticking up for them. ::)
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in blue, american allies....
that dont mean nothing, germany alone could take the world if adolf wasnt in a hurry.
chinaman will nuke you, they eat dogs
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EL MARIACHI.. do you think england would still be "england" if the usa did not intervene? do you think russia could have finished hitler buy themselves..? not even close.. if not for usa intervention germany had a pretty easy time of it.... every country except england folded under germany .. russia was the exception but germany still was able to enter russia and destroy much of what it wanted.. the inhospitable weather added russia more than anything.. so usa entered late? well what if they did not enter at all? dont bother answering... you can thank us later..
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china ::)
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that dont mean nothing, germany alone could take the world if adolf wasnt in a hurry.
chinaman will nuke you, they eat dogs
2.3 Million China soldiers with 2 inch hard-ons waiting for the shit to hit the fan
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Maybe they have drugs, uranium or vintage weider magazines?
Ha!
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EL MARIACHI.. do you think england would still be "england" if the usa did not intervene? do you think russia could have finished hitler buy themselves..? not even close.. if not for usa intervention germany had a pretty easy time of it.... every country except england folded under germany .. russia was the exception but germany still was able to enter russia and destroy much of what it wanted.. the inhospitable weather added russia more than anything.. so usa entered late? well what if they did not enter at all? dont bother answering... you can thank us later..
You re right i aint gonna respond ;D, put the pipe down son
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China gives us our money. If we want to continue our wars we should really listen to them.
We're borrowing more from the fed. Its been like that for some time now.
But ok.
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Americans were cowards during the WWII,
ingland+russia destroyed hitler, americana chimed in at the last second when war=almost finished
Ah yes, chimed in, even Churchill was trying to get Truman to help out, all it took was a "known" bombing in Pearl Harbor, and some German U boats on the East coast to change our minds...
Yeah, you guys won everything by yourselves, no help needed...
selective memories are as about as faulty as your cars---oh, that's right, most big Vrit car maufacturers are owned by foreigners
Chinese have a stealth prototype---prototype and no carriers...no bases, unless you count the African "Chinatowns"...
They need most of their forces to keep the populace in check, and there is a diff between being battle tested and marching...you see it when the bullets start flying.
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2.3 Million China soldiers with 2 inch hard-ons waiting for the shit to hit the fan
QFT
americana just testing the water, they know better, no WW3 anytime soon
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Fuck Pakistan and Fuck China while you are at it.... Pakistan is the reason the Taliban and the rest of the Radical Muslims are as dangerous as they are..
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Fuck Pakistan and Fuck China while you are at it.... Pakistan is the reason the Taliban and the rest of the Radical Muslims are as dangerous as they are..
We don't need your potty mouth, round these parts.
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Ah yes, chimed in, even Churchill was trying to get Truman to help out, all it took was a "known" bombing in Pearl Harbor, and some German U boats on the East coast to change our minds...
Yeah, you guys won everything by yourselves, no help needed...
selective memories are as about as faulty as your cars---oh, that's right, most big Vrit car maufacturers are owned by foreigners
Chinese have a stealth prototype---prototype and no carriers...no bases, unless you count the African "Chinatowns"...
They need most of their forces to keep the populace in check, and there is a diff between being battle tested and marching...you see it when the bullets start flying.
Very much this...And where the fuck do they think their 2.3 million man army is going to be marching to...Imagine feeding an army that size.
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By the time America got involved, Germany was split into three directions - Africa, Russia and Western Europe. The Russian winter did more than America.
Its akin to a guy kicking a bloody nosed man in the balls when he's lying on the floor and then high fiving everyone.
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Gangstalean
All fabrications, churchill asked help from americana from day 1, nobody show up=cowards came when it was safe
Stick to posting in car threads, just dont ever compare americana cars to europe, never
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Considering how much we owe China and the fact that China probably has enough Nuclear weapons to blast the shit out of us, I'd imagine the US will slowly backpeddle from this one...
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China gives us our money. If we want to continue our wars we should really listen to them.
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when the school bully takes the nerds lunch money everyday... do you really think hes scared about the nerd backlashing ?
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Gangstalean
All fabrications, churchill asked help from americana from day 1, nobody show up=cowards came when it was safe
Stick to posting in car threads, just dont ever compare americana cars to europe, never
Hmm Americans would prefer to stay home where it is safe and watch the war from afar. You find this cowardly? I think it's pretty intelligent myself...Granted, Hitler needed to be stopped, and if he crushed Europe we would be speaking German here in the states, but still I don't blame America for not wanting to get involved...
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By the time America got involved, Germany was split into three directions - Africa, Russia and Western Europe. The Russian winter did more than America.
Its akin to a guy kicking a bloody nosed man in the balls when he's lying on the floor and then high fiving everyone.
Well, the US was sending spitfires to the UK by this time, and while Russia was vert much a big part of it, if the US had not joined, there would not have been a D-day invasion what so ever and the fight would have almost solely been against the USSR.
To say that the US didn't save Europe's ass is just fallacy.
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Hmm Americans would prefer to stay home where it is safe and watch the war from afar. You find this cowardly? I think it's pretty intelligent myself...Granted, Hitler needed to be stopped, and if he crushed Europe we would be speaking German here in the states, but still I don't blame America for not wanting to get involved...
i agree 100%
but when you have here posters wetting their pants how americana destroyed hitler, you need to hurt their feelings a little with such coward remarks
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Gangstalean
All fabrications, churchill asked help from americana from day 1, nobody show up=cowards came when it was safe
Stick to posting in car threads, just dont ever compare americana cars to europe, never
Again your lack of knowlege...you can't sell War to the American public unless it is shown that they are threat---hence allowing the Japanese to bom. pearl Harbor...All the Carriers and other boats moved out, Battleships lined up in a row...they knew that the Japanese were coming...the public outcry gave fuel for the US to enter the war. This formula was used in te Spanish- Am War, later in Vietnam, next with 9/11...
Also the US was fighting on Two theaters...with a very formidable Japanese Naval arsenal...they had the biggest Battle ship ever made, it couldn't fit thru the Panama Canal...
Furthermore, many American Cars in terms of quality are on par to Japanese and European cars, and surpassing them in some respects...But this is also due to the Ford's and GM's Euro versions as well. Mercedes has gone thru a quality issue, which is why Lexus was able to outshine them in reliability.
No more days of the 300E and bankvault doors, even Porsche has suffered, the 964 was but solidly...
In terms of bang for your buck, go American...you see the comparo of the M3 vsMustang 5.0? Which would be the better buy?
And if it wasn't for Ford, Jaguar or Aston Martin would not be in the place they are in. All products that brig produced were the result of Ford planners
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el mariachi is not that dumb i hope.. he knows that america was a huge part of ending germany.. if america did not get involved germany had a free shot .. i have a uncle who is in his 80's that lived in ireland.. he even says that without america they would be speaking german now.. better late than never.. and when we got there german had a hell of a army waiting..
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Well, the US was sending spitfires to the UK by this time, and while Russia was vert much a big part of it, if the US had not joined, there would not have been a D-day invasion what so ever and the fight would have almost solely been against the USSR.
To say that the US didn't save Europe's ass is just fallacy.
americana+ingland supplied hitler with money loans prior to the war, whats your point stud
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el mariachi is not that dumb i hope.. he knows that america was a huge part of ending germany.. if america did not get involved germany had a free shot .. i have a uncle who is in his 80's that lived in ireland.. he even says that without america they would be speaking german now.. better late than never.. and when we got there german had a hell of a army waiting..
first read the basics about war on wiki,
until then lets smoke some of your uncle's ..
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Does these mean that they will pull out of the Olympic Games as well?
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when the school bully takes the nerds lunch money everyday... do you really think hes scared about the nerd backlashing ?
hahahaha nerds money :D interesting..sorry bro couldnt resist
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is it April fools in china? ???
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americana+ingland supplied hitler with money loans prior to the war, whats your point stud
I think a lot of people supplied Germany with money loans before he invaded Poland... So what?
My point is exactly as I said... to say that the US didn't in fact, during WW2, go in and save Europes ass is a lie.
Russia did just as much, but if Hitler hadn't had the US war machine to worry about, then he would have been able to focus on the Eastern Front a lot more and potentially could have taken it... If Stalingrad had fallen, then it would have been a wide open shot to surround Moscow for Germany.
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I think a lot of people supplied Germany with money loans before he invaded Poland... So what?
My point is exactly as I said... to say that the US didn't in fact, during WW2, go in and save Europes ass is a lie.
Russia did just as much, but if Hitler hadn't had the US war machine to worry about, then he would have been able to focus on the Eastern Front a lot more and potentially could have taken it... If Stalingrad had fallen, then it would have been a wide open shot to surround Moscow for Germany.
I know you re the biggest patriot on this site and you will twist the truth in your favor at all times,
ofcourse america helped in the war, but claiming they saved europe is laughable and delusional.
The mostly part SS failed to conquer moscow is the damn reason they werent prepared and they had to fight on the whole stretch of russia which is wide, america had a 15% share in the winning and im being generous frenchie
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China doesn't have an Earth Quake machine. America does. Pakistan is about to be hit with a 8+ earth quake over the next year. China can warn American till the cows come home. Its just politics. Look what happened to Haiti with said machine. That Haarp weapon is capable of causing massive earth quakes over and over if need be. That earth quake machine is no joke yo.
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I know you re the biggest patriot on this site and you will twist the truth in your favor at all times,
ofcourse america helped in the war, but claiming they saved europe is laughable and delusional.
The mostly part SS failed to conquer moscow is the damn reason they werent prepared and they had to fight on the whole stretch of russia which is wide, america had a 15% share in the winning and im being generous frenchie
americana did save europe ,,once upon a time before generation nothingess there was this generation of heros,,,,their granpas and granmas,,they had brain and heart,,they were the generation that made americana to be the shining star that it became,,later on it got ruined with generation nothigness parents ,,and today its a mess,,but yes americana saved europe and saved their brother and sisters the jews,,they did friend
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I know you re the biggest patriot on this site and you will twist the truth in your favor at all times,
ofcourse america helped in the war, but claiming they saved europe is laughable and delusional.
The mostly part SS failed to conquer moscow is the damn reason they werent prepared and they had to fight on the whole stretch of russia which is wide, america had a 15% share in the winning and im being generous frenchie
You're damn right I'm patriotic, but I don't fabricate shit.
The US had 16 Million soldiers in WW2, the brits had a total of 5.8 million. The Red army of the soviet union about 40 Million total... and of that, 14 million died.
So you can say 15 percent, but really, you're full of crap, because if they US stayed out, then England would have been taken and the focus would have shifted completely to the Eastern Front... So your oversimplification is just that.
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americana did save europe ,,once upon a time before generation nothingess there was this generation of heros,,,,their granpas and granmas,,they had brain and heart,,they were the generation that made americana to be the shining star that it became,,later on it got ruined with generation nothigness parents ,,and today its a mess,,but yes americana saved europe and saved their brother and sisters the jews,,they did friend
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(stick to posting on hormones)
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If any ONE country can claim victory it's the Soveit Union. They fought three quarters of the German army and beat them. The Americans were Johnny come lately's AFTER the Battle of Britian had been won and General Montgomery routed the Wermarcht in Northern Africa.
I'm not saying America didn't play a crucial role... but thanking them alone for defeating Germany is just arrogant and historically extremely ignorant.
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China doesn't have an Earth Quake machine. America does. Pakistan is about to be hit with a 8+ earth quake over the next year. China can warn American till the cows come home. Its just politics. Look what happened to Haiti with said machine. That Haarp weapon is capable of causing massive earth quakes over and over if need be. That earth quake machine is no joke yo.
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Those dirty Pakis will pay dearly for their deception...Mark my words...And China.....we'll see you later.
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You're damn right I'm patriotic, but I don't fabricate shit.
The US had 16 Million soldiers in WW2, the brits had a total of 5.8 million. The Red army of the soviet union about 40 Million total... and of that, 14 million died.
So you can say 15 percent, but really, you're full of crap, because if they US stayed out, then England would have been taken and the focus would have shifted completely to the Eastern Front... So your oversimplification is just that.
if america didnt come into the war,,the queen of england would have been the servant of hitlers anus fetishes,,uk was losing and losing big,,its ameircana and the ussr who fought like hell ,,and ussr could care less for the jews,,its americanas who cared
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and thats also why they care about the jews so much today ,,because thier granma and granpa was giving their life to save those jew,,if you lost yoru granpa and never knew him and he saved the jews you too would be pro jew big big pro jew,,americana is connected with blood and tears to the jews ,,stronger than any other nation
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if america didnt come into the war,,the queen of england would have been the servant of hitlers anus fetishes,,
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HAHAHAHAHAH
this
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and thats also why they care about the jews so much today ,,because thier granma and granpa was giving their life to save those jew,,if you lost yoru granpa and never knew him and he saved the jews you too would be pro jew big big pro jew,,americana is connected with blood and tears to the jews ,,stronger than any other nation
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Don't forget about the little reminder we get as we get a new WWII movie every year.... ::)
Don't forget about how we are reminded on TV and film about those poor Jews and World War II....
I'm not sayin' I'm just sayin'.
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Why the hate on the jews WigSS
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Don't forget about the little reminder we get as we get a new WWII movie every year.... ::)
Don't forget about how we are reminded on TV and film about those poor Jews and World War II....
I'm not sayin' I'm just sayin'.
i would be more worried about the traffic automated balonie you got in americnaa now day where drivers cant even drive anymore and followed by cameras who capture every moment their car is sliding into a right turn on red after slowing down to 7 miles per hour,,,americnaa economy is in the shits and deep deep in the shits,,reagan would flip in his grave if he saw this balonie,,cant even drive with peace of mind now day because no need for cop no more,, bad economy just put cameras all over,,
generation nothingness!
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Why the hate on the jews WigSS
Take it easy there fella? I never said anything about hate...Everything I said is true. And yes, I get sick of a new WWII movie every year on an event that happened 70 years ago and we're still seeing movies from everyview point possible...
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Take it easy there fella? I never said anything about hate...Everything I said is true. And yes, I get sick of a new WWII movie every year on an event that happened 70 years ago and we're still seeing movies from everyview point possible...
you are jew ,,wear your yamaca and go play with ron
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you are jew ,,wear your yamaca and go play with ron
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God,
While I may have the blood of Jews running through my veins, I'll never be looked at as a Jew because I'm black. I'll always be looked at as a black.
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black jew is even better,,good genetics with best brains!
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hahahaha nerds money :D interesting..sorry bro couldnt resist
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WHAT A PATHETIC LOSER, WOW...SERIOUSLY, ABSOLUTE FUCKING LOSER
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WHAT A PATHETIC LOSER, WOW...SERIOUSLY, ABSOLUTE FUCKING LOSER
come on man relax, he's a good guy, i just won the lottery and he asked me for some cash.
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come on man relax, he's a good guy, i just won the lottery and he asked me for some cash.
Give me some money too. I'm a struggling bodybuilder.
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Don't worry,China always has the best fireworks ;D
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You're damn right I'm patriotic, but I don't fabricate shit.
The US had 16 Million soldiers in WW2, the brits had a total of 5.8 million. The Red army of the soviet union about 40 Million total... and of that, 14 million died.
What is "Cannon Fodder" in Russian?
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China doesn't have an Earth Quake machine. America does. Pakistan is about to be hit with a 8+ earth quake over the next year. China can warn American till the cows come home. Its just politics. Look what happened to Haiti with said machine. That Haarp weapon is capable of causing massive earth quakes over and over if need be. That earth quake machine is no joke yo.
HAARP is more centered on controlling large masses of people's minds than generating an earthquake, though it can certainly do that...
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if america didnt come into the war,,the queen of england would have been the servant of hitlers anus fetishes,,uk was losing and losing big,,its ameircana and the ussr who fought like hell ,,and ussr could care less for the jews,,its americanas who cared
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The U S of A is England's baby, so therefore it wouldn't let her fall FACT
Remember, the WASP's created and started the U S of A ;)
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What is "Cannon Fodder" in Russian?
According to google it's "пушечное мясо"
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The world would indeed be a safer place if the Yanks all fucked off back home and minded their own business. Fat chance of that though.
wait till your country goes to shit (if it hasn't already) and fighting breaks out
guess who everyone calls when this happens.
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Strong Wikipedia use in this thread.
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i would be more worried about the traffic automated balonie you got in americnaa now day where drivers cant even drive anymore and followed by cameras who capture every moment their car is sliding into a right turn on red after slowing down to 7 miles per hour,,,americnaa economy is in the shits and deep deep in the shits,,reagan would flip in his grave if he saw this balonie,,cant even drive with peace of mind now day because no need for cop no more,, bad economy just put cameras all over,,
generation nothingness!
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is Reagan your fav American president gh15? You know a lot of Americans despite the big brother spying, in LA they shoot down traffic cameras
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So there will be a terrorist act from some militant group in pakistan before long
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You guys ever think that it wasn't Hitler that US and the British were afraid of in WWII?
If the US didn't step in Stalin would have ruled Europe not Hitler. Something you won't learn in an American school book.
United States concern for the Soviet Union didn't start with the cold war.
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You guys ever think that it wasn't Hitler that US and the British were afraid of in WWII?
If the US didn't step in Stalin would have ruled Europe not Hitler. Something you won't learn in an American school book.
United States concern for the Soviet Union didn't start with the cold war.
They still have the japanese to deal with---and remember the Japanese did defeat the Russians before...
And the japanese weren't the type to kill up either...
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You guys ever think that it wasn't Hitler that US and the British were afraid of in WWII?
If the US didn't step in Stalin would have ruled Europe not Hitler. Something you won't learn in an American school book.
United States concern for the Soviet Union didn't start with the cold war.
Good point man, and we should have followed Churchill's advice and steam-rolled over the USS of R, instead of falling for the American's presidents claim/belief that Stalin was ok
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Good point man, and we should have followed Churchill's advice and steam-rolled over the USS of R, instead of falling for the American's presidents claim/belief that Stalin was ok
Nobody believed that Stalin was ok---that was the reason why the Cold War started...
Stalin was effing ruthless, odd how he was "poisoned", and summoned for his jewish doctor, but he had had all of them killed, including his own...and the summer retreat where he was, who was there, Khruschev, of course..
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Here's some facts for you guys from the WWII time period.
Late 20's early 30's can't remember exact date, Stalin and Hitler signed an agreement not to attack each other.As the result Hitler turned his back on the Soviet Union and went ape shit on Europe.
Soviet Union built tanks that were made to go on German highways, there were not very many roads like that at the time in the Soviet Union.
USSR trained over a million paratroopers, something you need when you want to attack someone and is just about useless in defending a territory.
Soviet Union started organizing their troops closer and closer to the border, which was actually the main reason Hitler was able to get so deep into
Russia once he attacked, there was no cushion to defend from.
Stalin had spies in the German army, one of the things he was concerned about was the type of oil lubricants that the Germans were using for their weapon arsenal, he needed to know when they would switch to a lighter lubricant suitable for cold weather indicating Hitler's intent. When Hitler realized what was going on he didn't have time to switch over and went into Russia anyway. Remember how you heard about the German army "freezing" in the cold? It wasn't just a lack of warm coats.
Unofficial, (as in can't be historically proven fact): The dates between Hitler's attack on the Soviet Union and Stalin's planned attack on Germany were only about a month apart.
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Here's some facts for you guys from the WWII time period.
Late 20's early 30's can't remember exact date, Stalin and Hitler signed an agreement not to attack each other.
Would make sense, since the Russians overthrew the Czar in 1917...
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Truman was actually very smart for not going into Russia.
Thanks to the Soviet Union the United states was able to spend billions upon billions of dollars to develop by far the best military in the world over the next 50 years. And it was an easy sell to the American public since the communist threat was eminent. On top of that the rest of the world loved us for it, we were the good guys ready and able to fight evil for the sake of world peace. All of this was possible because there was another military superpower present with conflicting interests to us.
Now look at how were viewed in the world. Were viewed as giant bullies throwing our weight round anywhere we please. Even the American public is questioning the need for our military supremacy.
When you look at American history in the 20th century, a lot of times it's the things that we didn't do, where we held back, that proved to be the most intelligent decision in the long run.
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USA = worlds only superpower. /end thread
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Truman was actually very smart for not going into Russia.
Thanks to the Soviet Union the United states was able to spend billions upon billions of dollars to develop by far the best military in the world over the next 50 years. And it was an easy sell to the American public since the communist threat was eminent. On top of that the rest of the world loved us for it, we were the good guys ready and able to fight evil for the sake of world peace. All of this was possible because there was another military superpower present with conflicting interests to us.
Now look at how were viewed in the world. Were viewed as giant bullies throwing our weight round anywhere we please. Even the American public is questioning the need for our military supremacy.
When you look at American history in the 20th century, a lot of times it's the things that we didn't do, where we held back, that proved to be the most intelligent decision in the long run.
The world hates us because we use aid and troops to spread our influence, which any superpower would do. Also the guy on top is usually despised, so there are in truth a lot reasons.
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Truman was actually very smart for not going into Russia.
Thanks to the Soviet Union the United states was able to spend billions upon billions of dollars to develop by far the best military in the world over the next 50 years. And it was an easy sell to the American public since the communist threat was eminent. On top of that the rest of the world loved us for it, we were the good guys ready and able to fight evil for the sake of world peace. All of this was possible because there was another military superpower present with conflicting interests to us.
Now look at how were viewed in the world. Were viewed as giant bullies throwing our weight round anywhere we please. Even the American public is questioning the need for our military supremacy.
When you look at American history in the 20th century, a lot of times it's the things that we didn't do, where we held back, that proved to be the most intelligent decision in the long run.
Truth...
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the poster that said (western) europe being invaded by muslims, very true, in 2 generations they will start outnumbering, also, a lot of undesirable eastern europeans, the criminal kind, as opposed to the working kind - not stereotyping
same problem usa had in early 1900's
china upset means russia and north korea upset, remember what happened in kosovo when the russians gave an ultimatum? why does usa not get militarily involved in chechnia nor georgia besides condemning it.. because it will lead to a serious conflict with 3 military superpowers, armed forces arsenal and troop mobility in those countries is what they live for, no freedom fairy-tales..
in ww2 some citizens england and many other western european countries backed national socialism until it bit them in the ass, england was eventually alone in the fight, france gave up, italy fucked up, russia as usual looked after themselves - many promises no delivery, and once an agreement that would benefit the usa financially was agreed they got involved. pearl harbour made them more focused
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USA = worlds only superpower. /end thread
Why do Texans always get so patriotic that they turn off their brains?
I thought you assholes wanted to secede from the union? Yet you also have major American pride? Maybe you all are confused.
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wait till your country goes to shit (if it hasn't already) and fighting breaks out
guess who everyone calls when this happens.
NOBODY outside of the US wants your troops buggering up the world even further. Let the fucking ragheads sort out their own problems. The US should sort its own out too before poking its nose into anyone else's.
No disrespect whatsoever to your armed forces, it's the shitheel politicians. Not that things are any different in the UK.
USA = worlds only superpower. /end thread
You're delusional. The US war machine is a retard with a big stick, and it's days are numbered. China actually has an economy worthy of the name.
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fuck these tiny small penise "men", they are so bitter they are not like western tall blonde men in a free world.
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Good point man, and we should have followed Churchill's advice and steam-rolled over the USS of R, instead of falling for the American's presidents claim/belief that Stalin was ok
LOL, ma' man ;D
No way. Not even in ya' dreams.
(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljs963IWO81qhhvo8o1_250.gif)
(http://www.knowledgerush.com/wiki_image/a/a2/Soviet_Union_1.jpg)
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Stop buying the goods they produce, break em economically and ram one up Pakistans ass.
If America produced their own consumer products, they would be the most powerful nation in the world ( again. ) America will be " talked at " by the other nations it has made into super powers and it's dollar will continue to lose value until it puts America first ( again.)
THE BEEF
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Why do Texans always get so patriotic that they turn off their brains?
I thought you assholes wanted to secede from the union? Yet you also have major American pride? Maybe you all are confused.
What does the FACT that America is the only superpower have anything to do with texans being patriotic? I thing you are confused my little friend. ;)
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What does the FACT that America is the only superpower have anything to do with texans being patriotic? I thing you are confused my little friend. ;)
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Stop being imbecile and listen to your own senators (or whatever they are... anyways higher in society than you) 8)
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Stop being imbecile and listen to your own senators (or whatever they are... anyways higher in society than you) 8)
Russia hasn't been superpower since forever. 8) 8) 8)
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the brilliance in this thread is mind boggling..truly a work that should be analysed by psychiatrist undergrads.
its clear from the rhetoric that americans want war...
its also clear that americans are as ignorant and stupid as they ever were- perhaps moreso.
China is not to be messed with. underestimate it at your peril.
Wars arent simply won and lost these days..its mostly lose-lose. one combatant loses more than the other.
My guess is that it wont happen at all, or perhaps it is 1914 again but i doubt it. this mutual destruction thing is a big deterrent that wasnt there in WW1.
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WHAT A PATHETIC LOSER, WOW...SERIOUSLY, ABSOLUTE FUCKING LOSER
that was in 07 man, i was 18, no job, pothead, and mariachi said he won the lottery for a shit load of money.
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Here's some facts for you guys from the WWII time period.
Late 20's early 30's can't remember exact date, Stalin and Hitler signed an agreement not to attack each other.As the result Hitler turned his back on the Soviet Union and went ape shit on Europe.
Soviet Union built tanks that were made to go on German highways, there were not very many roads like that at the time in the Soviet Union.
USSR trained over a million paratroopers, something you need when you want to attack someone and is just about useless in defending a territory.
Soviet Union started organizing their troops closer and closer to the border, which was actually the main reason Hitler was able to get so deep into
Russia once he attacked, there was no cushion to defend from.
Stalin had spies in the German army, one of the things he was concerned about was the type of oil lubricants that the Germans were using for their weapon arsenal, he needed to know when they would switch to a lighter lubricant suitable for cold weather indicating Hitler's intent. When Hitler realized what was going on he didn't have time to switch over and went into Russia anyway. Remember how you heard about the German army "freezing" in the cold? It wasn't just a lack of warm coats.
Unofficial, (as in can't be historically proven fact): The dates between Hitler's attack on the Soviet Union and Stalin's planned attack on Germany were only about a month apart.
What about Hitler's Alien technology?
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What about Hitler's Alien technology?
Yeah we copPed that shit atthe end of the war yo.
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Western countries should stop doing business with China.
Plenty of other countries with cheap labour.
Ban all Chinese products etc and not contribute to strenghening their economy.
They're allied with every single oppressive regime and anti-western government in existence and actively support all the enemies of the USA.