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Title: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: Deicide on May 26, 2011, 02:56:08 AM
itself in popular American sports?

Discuss....
Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: DK II on May 26, 2011, 03:13:54 AM
because americans are happy when they have nachos and cheese and beer.
Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: JasonH on May 26, 2011, 03:25:06 AM
Maybe it's a culture that has only spread itself so far geographically. When it comes to sports, the US tends to keep to itself, with games like baseball, football, and basketball - not many other countries play these. As a result, those sports have developed their own cultural following but only within the confines of America.

Also, the culture in America itself is of obtaining superiority, of developing physical excellence, and something like antisocial behaviour and hooliganism would only get in the way of these goals. It's the same in Asian countries like China and Japan - they have an attitude towards attaining superiority and pride and their cultures reflect that - Europe doesn't really have that attitude - they are maybe of the old colonial tribal ways of life where if they don't get what they want they throw their toys out the pram and start causing havoc.

Also, in the UK in particular, the attitudes towards how to drink alcohol responsibly have completely gone out the window over the years and our culture is such that people can't behave themselves when they've had a drink - there's no self-control. As a result, that transcends over to the sports we enjoy, and with soccer being the national game, it goes hand in hand with alcohol consumption and bad behaviour - add to that the old colonial tribalist attitudes and so hooliganism was born.
Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: Figo on May 26, 2011, 03:28:15 AM
Maybe it's a culture that has only spread itself so far geographically. When it comes to sports, the US tends to keep to itself, with games like baseball, football, and basketball - not many other countries play these. As a result, those sports have developed their own cultural following but only within the confines of America.
Also, the culture in America itself is of obtaining superiority, of developing physical excellence, and something like antisocial behaviour and hooliganism would only get in the way of these goals. It's the same in Asian countries like China and Japan - they have an attitude towards attaining superiority and pride and their cultures reflect that - Europe doesn't really have that attitude - they are maybe of the old colonial tribal ways of life where if they don't get what they want they throw their toys out the pram and start causing havoc.
Also, in the UK in particular, the attitudes towards how to drink alcohol responsibly have completely gone out the window over the years and our culture is such that people can't behave themselves when they've had a drink - there's no self-control. As a result, that transcends over to the sports we enjoy, and with soccer being the national game, it goes hand in hand with alcohol consumption and bad behaviour - add to that the old colonial tribalist attitudes and so hooliganism was born.
very good post, but a lot of these guys dont even drink

nor watch games, just an excuse to fight
Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: JasonH on May 26, 2011, 03:30:53 AM
very good post, but a lot of these guys dont even drink

nor watch games, just an excuse to fight

Yep that's true - a lot of the old-school hooligans just used to use football as an excuse to have a punch-up and nothing more - again maybe it goes back to the cultural leanings of raw tribalism. I've never understood it myself.
Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: Figo on May 26, 2011, 03:45:39 AM
Yep that's true - a lot of the old-school hooligans just used to use football as an excuse to have a punch-up and nothing more - again maybe it goes back to the cultural leanings of raw tribalism. I've never understood it myself.
yes, to demarcate territory, obviously alcohol makes it worse

millwall vs hammers is a typical land division thing, the "supporters" dont even care bout the score!
(http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/CEH1NSPWXA0/0.jpg)
its all over europe, recently when benfica played porto, before the game there was a bit of a stoning going on, it used to be bad in portugal, refs used to land up in hospital every weekend

obviously eastern europe is also affected by this

in south america, argentina also has a big problem
Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: local hero on May 26, 2011, 04:18:33 AM
ha,,, us sports dont even have propper teams, there franchises..

how could they follow a team only for it to move to another city the next season?


one of my workmates served time for hooliganism and all the lads i know involved in it are die hard supporters, i think its a myth when u say they dont even care about the score!
Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: Tito24 on May 26, 2011, 04:26:37 AM
i think in the usa men are too fat to get up from the stadium seat. the effort to drag themselves to the hotdog booth is more than enough.
Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: DK II on May 26, 2011, 04:27:46 AM
i think in the usa men are too fat to get up from the stadium seat. the effort to drag themselves to the hotdog booth is more than enough.

this.
Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: Figo on May 26, 2011, 04:31:14 AM
ha,,, us sports dont even have propper teams, there franchises..

how could they follow a team only for it to move to another city the next season?


one of my workmates served time for hooliganism and all the lads i know involved in it are die hard supporters, i think its a myth when u say they dont even care about the score!
so a team is not bound to a city?

thats weird
Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: _bruce_ on May 26, 2011, 05:16:26 AM
i think in the usa men are too fat to get up from the stadium seat. the effort to drag themselves to the hotdog booth is more than enough.

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: Omega on May 26, 2011, 05:23:03 AM
ha,,, us sports dont even have propper teams, there franchises..

how could they follow a team only for it to move to another city the next season?


one of my workmates served time for hooliganism and all the lads i know involved in it are die hard supporters, i think its a myth when u say they dont even care about the score!

Bet half of them are right wing as well...
Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: DK II on May 26, 2011, 05:27:55 AM
Bet half of them are right wing as well...

All of them, not only half.
Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: Omega on May 26, 2011, 05:28:56 AM
All of them, not only half.

Some might be EDL...they are just the confused ones...bless them.
Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: Tito24 on May 26, 2011, 05:38:28 AM
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Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: Tapeworm on May 26, 2011, 05:48:44 AM
The soccer is just an excuse.  Young men in the USA don't need to use scheduled sporting events as an outlet for their anger.  In America, they can simply commit random violent crime.  Take a lesson, Europe!
Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: Deicide on May 26, 2011, 05:52:27 AM
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Those are great pictures.
Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: DK II on May 26, 2011, 05:56:10 AM
Those are great pictures.

That's what you get when human progress so far.....

I guess in 20 years you will only have two kind of people in the US, morbidly obese that can't move on their own without mechanical help and roided out bodybuilders.

Then the bodybuilders will team up with the aliens and create another USA, the USUA (United Steroid Users Association). 
Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: Tito24 on May 26, 2011, 05:59:31 AM
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Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: DK II on May 26, 2011, 06:01:07 AM
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Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: Deicide on May 26, 2011, 06:02:22 AM
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Do you have any more of those scooter pictures?
Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: dj181 on May 26, 2011, 06:50:00 AM
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Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: Dr Dutch on May 26, 2011, 07:11:38 AM
itself in popular American sports?

Discuss....
Because they would be shot. Not kidding.
Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: Mr Nobody on May 26, 2011, 07:32:39 AM
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Looks like a serial killer.
Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: WillGrant on May 26, 2011, 07:36:03 AM
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Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: Option D on May 26, 2011, 07:39:09 AM
itself in popular American sports?

Discuss....

im not sure.. but it needs to
Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: CalvinH on May 26, 2011, 11:01:14 AM
Because the international world is full of scum.
Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: freespirit on May 26, 2011, 11:05:48 AM
i think in the usa men are too fat to get up from the stadium seat. the effort to drag themselves to the hotdog booth is more than enough.

This is true. Americans are not alpha-males.  :)
Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: #1 Klaus fan on May 26, 2011, 11:16:30 AM
Ron, what the fuck happened with your carb loading?  :o :o :o

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Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: Coach is Back! on May 26, 2011, 11:59:50 AM
1. It does with Raider fan

2. We're for the most part civilized and realize there's to life than a favorite team or sport.
Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: local hero on May 26, 2011, 12:09:04 PM
1. It does with Raider fan

2. We're for the most part civilized and realize there's to life than a favorite team or sport.


because your teams move up as soon as they think they can make more money in some other city, but watching some amercan games on tv ( 'american'football, baseball etc ) , your fans are totaly passionless , just endless shots of people eating, some may move those big foam thumb things from time to time, pretty piss poor efforts all round

all football fans are brainwashed, somthing the us will never comprehend, and thats why you will never understand the beautiful game...
Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: Rami on May 26, 2011, 12:17:23 PM
Because USA don't have boring pointless sport like soccer. Where the fans get bored out of their minds for 2 hours and rather fight each other.
Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: local hero on May 26, 2011, 12:21:03 PM
no you have infinitely more boring sports where the fans choose to eat rather than watch
Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: Rami on May 26, 2011, 12:25:23 PM
no you have infinitely more boring sports where the fans choose to eat rather than watch

eating at all time is simply routine in USA.  where 50% are bodybuilders in bulking at any time
Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: Dreadlifter on May 26, 2011, 03:59:26 PM
Not hooliganism, but how many times have you seen news footage of fans rioting and tearing a city apart when their team's won?
Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: noc on May 26, 2011, 04:27:10 PM
Because in America, fans are consumers, there to be entertained and to take in as much marketing as possible.

The concept of a draw doesn't even exist, because the consumer would feel cheated, as they munch on their hot dog and drink their pathetic weak 'beer'.
Title: Re: Why does the international phenomenon of football hooliganism not manifest
Post by: ManBearPig... on May 26, 2011, 04:32:41 PM

because your teams move up as soon as they think they can make more money in some other city, but watching some amercan games on tv ( 'american'football, baseball etc ) , your fans are totaly passionless , just endless shots of people eating, some may move those big foam thumb things from time to time, pretty piss poor efforts all round

all football fans are brainwashed, somthing the us will never comprehend, and thats why you will never understand the beautiful game...

that's not true.  it certainly happens, but much rarer these days.  the market research done ahead of time is usually spot on in deciding if a town needs another team / needs to move.

to answer the op's question, it doesn't exist as much in america because we watch the games and then go fuck someone's mom after the game, while Euros likes to wrestle with other men.