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Senate Republicans Vote Overwhelmingly To End Medicare
The GOP continued its bloody walk into the Medicare buzzsaw Wednesday, when 40 out of 47 Senate Republicans voted in support of the House GOP budget, and its plan to phase out and privatize the popular entitlement program.
The test vote failed by a vote of 57-40. But the roll call illustrates that Medicare privatization -- along with deep cuts to Medicaid and other social services -- remains the consensus position of the GOP despite the growing political backlash against them.
Voting with all of the Democrats against debating the plan were Sens. Scott Brown (R-MA), Olympia Snowe (R-ME) -- both 2012 incumbents -- along with Sens. Susan Collins (R-ME) and Lisa Murkowski (R-AK). Rand Paul (R-KY) voted against it because it wasn't radical enough.
Sens. Chuck Schumer (D-NY), Pat Roberts (R-KS), and Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX) did not vote.
Democrats intentionally scheduled the vote less than 24 hours after a Democrat won a special election in New York's 26th -- and heavily Republican -- congressional district, on the strength of defending Medicare from a GOP onslaught. The outcome of that election heightened the political stakes, but sent few Republicans bolting for the exits.
"I've been surprised a lot of the times about how they're voting here," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid at a press conference after the vote.
To shelter GOP dissidents from the vote to privatize Medicare, but also to shore up their bona fides on the right, the Senate also held a test vote on a similarly austere alternative budget authored by Sen. Pat Toomey (R-PA). The key difference? The Toomey plan remains vague on the question of how to reduce Medicare spending over time. All but three voting Republicans -- Collins, Snowe, and Brown -- voted to proceed with that plan, which would slash spending at a faster rate than even the House budget.
On tap, too, was a test vote on President Obama's 2012 budget, now shelved as Vice President Joe Biden negotiates spending and deficit cuts with a bipartisan group of Congressional leaders. All voting members opposed the plan, which failed 0-97, providing Republicans a talking point they're already trumpeting, and will push hard this election season.
"Everyone knows that if something happens with the Biden group or perhaps the Gang of Five, then there's going to have to be some type of instrument, and that's why we don't want to do the budget thing now, because we have all these other things going on," Reid explained.
Rounding things out was a test vote on an eye-popping plan by Rand Paul to dramatically and rapidly slash the size of the federal government -- in part by abolishing a number of federal agencies. It won the support of a small core of the most conservative members of the GOP -- Sens. Tom Coburn (R-OK), Jim DeMint (R-SC), Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Mike Lee (R-UT), David Vitter (R-LA), and Paul himself, along with his Kentucky colleague, Minority Leader Mitch McConnell. But it failed by a wide 90-7 margin.
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Bye bye republican votes!
I hope the older generation have learned their lesson. They made awkward bed mates during the Obama care debates and now it just goes to show the people who really want to take away medicare are the republicans.
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79 trillion in debt and you clowns still want to do nothing.
Tell me the dem plan deal w this.
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Sens. Pat Roberts (R-KS), and Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX) did not vote.
LOL! I remember obama voting "present" all those times.
Repubs are so screwed on this issue.
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79 trillion in debt and you clowns still want to do nothing.
Tell me the dem plan deal w this.
There is no plan. This is politics! It doesn't matter what's right or wrong, it only matters to get elected and re-elected.
The Dem plan is the Rep plan and vise versa when it suits.
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Dick Cheney: 'I worship the ground Paul Ryan walks on'
Source: Politico
Former Vice President Dick Cheney doesn’t want Paul Ryan to run for president — he likes the House Budget chairman too much.
“I worship the ground the Paul Ryan walks on,” Cheney said Wednesday during a rare public appearance, the Houston Chronicle reported. “I hope he doesn’t run for president because that would ruin a good man who has a lot of work to do.”
Support for Ryan’s budget plan, which includes an overhaul of Medicare, has become an early litmus test for the GOP presidential field. The plan was also a definitive issue in the special election in New York on Tuesday, where Democrat Kathy Hochul won one of the most Republican-friendly congressional seats in the country. Democrats have heralded that victory as a sign that Americans oppose Ryan’s plan.
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There is no plan. This is politics! It doesn't matter what's right or wrong, it only matters to get elected and re-elected.
The Dem plan is the Rep plan and vise versa when it suits.
Even Clinton said the dem strategy to do nothing is wrong.
But yeah - lets attack the the guiy trying to fix the problem.
www.usdebtclock.org
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Wow, they won't even talk about ending the wars.
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Even Clinton said the dem strategy to do nothing is wrong.
But yeah - lets attack the the guiy trying to fix the problem.
www.usdebtclock.org
Pot Kettle
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
It's not about right or wrong.................
I don't disagree with your point 333333333, I am just adding "reality" to it.
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Wow, they won't even talk about ending the wars.
Obama is starting wars, not ending them.
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0-97
Unanimous rejection
By POLITICO STAFF | 05/26/11 5:22 AM Updated: 05/26/11 12:13 PM
The budget proposal released by the White House back in February didn’t win a single vote in the Senate on Wednesday— the final tally was 0-97. Senate Republicans pushed for the vote as a counterpoint to the defeat of Rep. Paul Ryan’s budget plan.
POLITICO’s David Rogers reports: “The vote on the president’s plan turned into a rout, with neither Republicans nor Democrats voting in favor of taking it up. At one level, the 97-0 vote showed how out-of-date the February requests can seem after so much has changed in the spending debate already this year. But for Democrats, it also proved a convenient way to mask their substantial internal differences over how to proceed” on addressing the government’s fiscal problems.
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Repubs are toast. Old white voters will switch to stop medicare being ended. Say good bye 333 ;D
Hahaha the meltdown has begun! How long before he starts copy and pasting this thread?
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Repubs are toast. Old white voters will switch to stop medicare being ended. Say good bye 333 ;D
Hahaha the meltdown has begun! How long before he starts copy and pasting this thread?
You are right moron - the meltdown has begun - of the finances of this nation as we are heading off the cliff wth promises that simpy cant be met. $79 Trillion in debt with no way to pay for it - bu lets celebrate, some off election was won with 47% with a gag candidate taking the diffeence.
Even Bill Clinton admited this this week alone that the Dem plan to do nothing is wrong.
But keep putting your heads in the sand.
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You are right moron - the meltdown has begun - of the finances of this nation as we are heading off the cliff wth promises that simpy cant be met. $79 Trillion in debt with no way to pay for it - bu lets celebrate, some off election was won with 47% with a gag candidate taking the diffeence.
Even Bill Clinton admited this this week alone that the Dem plan to do nothing is wrong.
But keep putting your heads in the sand.
Haha loser, go cry me a river.
Waaaah - the native call of the cry baby 333
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Haha loser, go cry me a river.
Waaaah - the native call of the cry baby 333
Please fell free to tell me the Dem plan to deal with this:
www.usdebtclock.org
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Please fell free to tell me the Dem plan to deal with this:
www.usdebtclock.org
Honestly. It doesn't bother me. I'm not some debt adverse psycho like yourself. I firmly believe that America will come out of this fine and that history will smile upon Bernake and Obama for their handling of the recession.
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Honestly. It doesn't bother me. I'm not some debt adverse psycho like yourself. I firmly believe that America will come out of this fine and that history will smile upon Bernake and Obama for their handling of the recession.
lmfao. When is that supposed to happen?
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lmfao. When is that supposed to happen?
Hang on i'll just check the chicken gizzards and tell you. Oh wait i'm not a soothsayer and neither are you.
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In the long run, Democrats will pay because they did not provide a better plan than Ryan's and refused to go along with the Republicans in making significant cuts to expenses. People are easily scared now. But, wait until those programs are completely gone and it is traced back to be the result of the socialist legislations of the Democrats. LOL!!! Democrats are short sighted. They have no vision of prosperity. Only of dependence and that will cost them big time in the end.
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Honestly. It doesn't bother me. I'm not some debt adverse psycho like yourself. I firmly believe that America will come out of this fine and that history will smile upon Bernake and Obama for their handling of the recession.
I don't know how that is going to happen when by every economic factor the Stim Bill has been a failure and Obamacare is unconstitutional. Neither Obama, nor Bernake have come up with a single legislation that has improved the economy. The UE hasn't been anywhere of 8% and by early indications, it seems it will be around 9.4% when the report comes out next month.
LOL!!! History will not be kind to Hussein Obama.
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Please fell free to tell me the Dem plan to deal with this:
www.usdebtclock.org
the DEM plan?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You mean that wasn't there 2000-2008?
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the DEM plan?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You mean that wasn't there 2000-2008?
I guess you forget Bush trying to deal with SS and where that went as well as the fact that Dems took over congress in 2006?
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the DEM plan?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You mean that wasn't there 2000-2008?
Not 60% of it. 60% of that added from 2009 to now. HEHEHEHE!! WTH?? Where have you been, numbnuts?
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Not 60% of it. 60% of that added from 2009 to now. HEHEHEHE!! WTH?? Where have you been, numbnuts?
Doesn't matter either way, either party wold have done the same thing. I am not trying to say the repubs or the dems are at fault i am saying BOTH of them are.
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I guess you forget Bush trying to deal with SS
Trying to PRIVATIZE it you mean?
What if that had happened? the 2008 crash leaves 1/4 of americans without their social security? Great plan that would have been :)
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Trying to PRIVATIZE it you mean?
What if that had happened? the 2008 crash leaves 1/4 of americans without their social security? Great plan that would have been :)
The way things are going - we wont have SS. Its already broke and didnt you listen to my Schiff clip with trustee of SS on this issue?
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The way things are going - we wont have SS. Its already broke and didnt you listen to my Schiff clip with trustee of SS on this issue?
so Y or N...... was privitization of SS in 2006 a good idea, 33?
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so Y or N...... was privitization of SS in 2006 a good idea, 33?
Was the creation of in SS in 1935 a good idea?
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so Y or N...... was privitization of SS in 2006 a good idea, 33?
Yes! I pay 15% of my AGI to this scam. Its a total ripoff and madoff scam by definition.
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Doesn't matter either way, either party wold have done the same thing. I am not trying to say the repubs or the dems are at fault i am saying BOTH of them are.
Don't matter either way? It does matter because you WRONGLY implied that the debt was there in the first place from 2000 to 2008. I advice you to look up the figures, figures by independent sources, showing the disparity between what Bush spent every day and Obama has spent so far. This is important because Obama claimed Bush almost ran the economy off the cliff, but that he and the Dems took the wheel and diverted disaster. Anyone that looks at the expenses compounded by the Dems will only be able to come away with the point of view that Obama and the Dems pressed on the accelerator, not the brakes.
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Trying to PRIVATIZE it you mean?
What if that had happened? the 2008 crash leaves 1/4 of americans without their social security? Great plan that would have been :)
How do you know that the 2008 crash would have wiped out SS? There is no possible way for you to quantify it? So how could proclaim such a thing?
240, you should run for office. You have the Democratic scare tactic nailed perfectly.
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Don't matter either way? It does matter because you WRONGLY implied that the debt was there in the first place from 2000 to 2008. I advice you to look up the figures, figures by independent sources, showing the disparity between what Bush spent every day and Obama has spent so far. This is important because Obama claimed Bush almost ran the economy off the cliff, but that he and the Dems took the wheel and diverted disaster. Anyone that looks at the expenses compounded by the Dems will only be able to come away with the point of view that Obama and the Dems pressed on the accelerator, not the brakes.
I don't disagree with what you say the dems did although i don't think its what you said it was. I will wait for you to back your claims up. What I am telling you the repubs would have done the same shit. Hence it doesn't matter either way. Our debt increased, yes, but we still had massive debt prior.
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I don't disagree with what you say the dems did although i don't think its what you said it was. I will wait for you to back your claims up. What I am telling you the repubs would have done the same shit. Hence it doesn't matter either way. Our debt increased, yes, but we still had massive debt prior.
That just isnt true. The deficits under Bush may have seemed big compared to what was immediately before him, but by 2007 before the crash the deficit was below the average of the past 40 years. It was MANAGABLE. Ozmo, under Bush we were running deficits in the hundreds of billions. Under Obama we are running deficits in the trillions. Our debt increased A LOT under Obama. Bush's deficits were sustainable, these deficits are not.
Bush's largest deficit was $455 billion, OBama's smallest deficit is $1.3 trillion . If you you think the Republicans would have done a $800 billion stimulus and created a whole new entitlement program, I reallly dont know what to tell you except that you are DEAD WRONG. Obama owns these deficits, and the rationalizing of this by independentents drives me up the wall.
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Didnt most of the republicans vote for the stim?
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Didnt most of the republicans vote for the stim?
NO. The entire Republican HOuse unanimously voted against it and all but 2 or 3 Republicans in the Senate voted against it.
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Medicare is broke and going to collapse the budget. Even Bill clinton admitted it to Ryan.
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Medicare is broke and going to collapse the budget. Even Bill clinton admitted it to Ryan.
Break the budget..haha, the budget has been broken for the longest time
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Break the budget..haha, the budget has been broken for the longest time
Wrong. Budge became broken from 2008 until now. It became broken when Dems took over Congress and Barry settled in the Oval office. We need to get gridlock in Washington so that Barry can't continue to destroy it further.
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Medicare is broke and going to collapse the budget. Even Bill clinton admitted it to Ryan.
Clinton pwning Ryan, I'd wager. "Keep up the good fight, brother!" as Ryan refuses to compromise and the house seats will start turning Dem again in 2012...
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That just isnt true. The deficits under Bush may have seemed big compared to what was immediately before him, but by 2007 before the crash the deficit was below the average of the past 40 years. It was MANAGABLE. Ozmo, under Bush we were running deficits in the hundreds of billions. Under Obama we are running deficits in the trillions. Our debt increased A LOT under Obama. Bush's deficits were sustainable, these deficits are not.
Bush's largest deficit was $455 billion, OBama's smallest deficit is $1.3 trillion . If you you think the Republicans would have done a $800 billion stimulus and created a whole new entitlement program, I reallly dont know what to tell you except that you are DEAD WRONG. Obama owns these deficits, and the rationalizing of this by independentents drives me up the wall.
I don't disagree with what you are saying here, I still just think it wouldn't have mattered as much either way. The repubs or a republican wouldn't have spent as much as Obama for sure, but it still would have been in the trillions. Thanks for the info.