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....refuse to show their faces in any thread about this regime's handling of the economy?
Is it cowardice, an inability to refute the points being made or just plain stupidity?
P.S. 1.8% growth last quarter came in under expectations. Shocking news to the Obama crowd who will tell you that everything is FINE (as they stick their fingers in their ears and scream "I can't hear you. I can't hear you").
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The thing that gets me is that they start threads then never appear again in them and start new ones without evr dealing w the old ones.
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The thing that gets me is that they start threads then never appear again in them and start new ones without evr dealing w the old ones.
They're pussies. It's either that or bombarding us with threads about Palin or whatever stupid fucking topic MSNBC decides to cover that day. Truly mindless robotic drones that probably couldn't tie their shoes without Chris Matthews telling them how to do it. :-\
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They are mindless idiots - all of them. Not one of them has owned up to the failures of the policies this admn pursued that they cheered on.
Stim bill, health care, talf, et al.
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Cult of personality.
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They are mindless idiots - all of them. Not one of them has owned up to the failures of the policies this admn pursued that they cheered on.
Stim bill, health care, talf, et al.
It's quite sad, really. Don't worry, Blacken and co. will counter this thread with another one about Palin or some other douche that hasn't even announced their candidacy. ::)
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Its like man the fuck up already and just admit you were scammed. If you don't feel scammed - explain why.
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lol, how many Obama supporters are left here? 3... maybe 4 max? Most of them were hit and run posters before Obama.... Like TA, he shows up in a flash, spews some crap and then he's gone for months...
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Andre, benny, mal, straw, largerthanlife, blacken, lurker, 240, kc, etc.
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....refuse to show their faces in any thread about this regime's handling of the economy?
Is it cowardice, an inability to refute the points being made or just plain stupidity?
P.S. 1.8% growth last quarter came in under expectations. Shocking news to the Obama crowd who will tell you that everything is FINE (as they stick their fingers in their ears and scream "I can't hear you. I can't hear you").
If you really want to know the answer to this question I will tell you even though it will have no impact on you or 3333 because you guys don't want to hear anything that doesn't coincide with your own logic...
it gets pretty boring debating people whose opinions NEVER EVER CHANGE EVEN IN THE FACE OF OTHER INFORMATION WHICH PROVES OTHERWISE
you talk about "mindless drones"....yet who are more mindless on these boards than you guys?..the same thing over and over and your opinions NEVER EVER deviate in any significant way.....
If we do show you evidence to the contrary of what you guys are espousing, you never acknowledge it and say..."okay I was wrong"..or at least moderate your point of view somewhat in the face of the new evidence.....you just keep right on going with the same tired opinions that are TOTALLY WRONG....not tto say you guys are wrong all the time since I have agreed with you guys on somethings..
some people come here just to push their opinion and not to truly debate FACTS..and many offer their opinion as fact...also...we already know that YOU GUYS TAKE ANYTHING BAD GOING ON IN THE WORLD AND TRY YOUR DARNEST TO LINK IT TO OBAMA....this gets really boring and you LOSE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF CREDIBILITY when you do this..because basically you are just pushing and parroting an agenda...you're not interested in whats right, whats wrong, whats the real cause..it's always the same..BLAME OBAMA....Obama is the blame for the tsunami..obama is the blame for the earthquakes, etc
Meanwhile all of the achievements that Obama has done is ignored or you guys reinvent it as something negative....this means that there is really no sense in debating anything....the threads basically degenerate into name-calling which I will admit I have been a part of recently..if we defend Obama's record from your constant bashing then we are accused of "sucking Obama's dick" ..meanwhile all you guys do is the same but on the conservative end
last but not least, you guys use the economic numbers given out by the government to bash Obama but when I or others use the same numbers to point to positive stuff, then you guys say it's not accurate..that its a gov't conspiracy to cook the numbers to make Obama look good, etc...you guys don't even see your own HYPOCRISY or acknowledge it..
so there you have it....
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Other than obl please name me one accomplishment.
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If you really want to know the answer to this question I will tell you even though it will have no impact on you or 3333 because you guys don't want to hear anything that doesn't coincide with your own logic...
it gets pretty boring debating people whose opinions NEVER EVER CHANGE EVEN IN THE FACE OF OTHER INFORMATION WHICH PROVES OTHERWISE
you talk about "mindless drones"....yet who are more mindless on these boards than you guys?..the same thing over and over and your opinions NEVER EVER deviate in any significant way.....
If we do show you evidence to the contrary of what you guys are espousing, you never acknowledge it and say..."okay I was wrong"..or at least moderate your point of view somewhat in the face of the new evidence.....you just keep right on going with the same tired opinions that are TOTALLY WRONG....not tto say you guys are wrong all the time since I have agreed with you guys on somethings..
some people come here just to push their opinion and not to truly debate FACTS..and many offer their opinion as fact...also...we already know that YOU GUYS TAKE ANYTHING BAD GOING ON IN THE WORLD AND TRY YOUR DARNEST TO LINK IT TO OBAMA....this gets really boring and you LOSE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF CREDIBILITY when you do this..because basically you are just pushing and parroting an agenda...you're not interested in whats right, whats wrong, whats the real cause..it's always the same..BLAME OBAMA....Obama is the blame for the tsunami..obama is the blame for the earthquakes, etc
Meanwhile all of the achievements that Obama has done is ignored or you guys reinvent it as something negative....this means that there is really no sense in debating anything....the threads basically degenerate into name-calling which I will admit I have been a part of recently..if we defend Obama's record from your constant bashing then we are accused of "sucking Obama's dick" ..meanwhile all you guys do is the same but on the conservative end
last but not least, you guys use the economic numbers given out by the government to bash Obama but when I or others use the same numbers to point to positive stuff, then you guys say it's not accurate..that its a gov't conspiracy to cook the numbers to make Obama look good, etc...you guys don't even see your own HYPOCRISY or acknowledge it..
so there you have it....
When you use numbers to counter it? You tried that, remember? Your numbers were summarily obliterated and you, like the pussy Obama drone you are, vanished from the thread.
Here. I'll give you a single number to refute. 1.8 PERCENT QUARTERLY GROWTH. BELOW EXPECTATIONS. DESPITE TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS SPENT BY OBAMA TO AVOID THAT.
Have fun refuting that, slick. Credit for having the balls to post in this thread, though. Sadly I can't say the same for the rest of your Obama butt buddies. :)
Funniest part of your post is by far "all the Obama achievements". LOL! Handing out thousands of healthcare waivers to your union cronies, Pelosi and Reid screams SUCCESS.
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Andre, benny, mal, straw, largerthanlife, blacken, lurker, 240, kc, etc.
You alone post 20 times what they do here combined ;D
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Not the point of the thread. Either way, other than getting obl - what accomplishments should I be cheering.
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You alone post 20 times what they do here combined ;D
This board would be completely dead without 333. How long do you think people would stick around talking about Palin and high-fiving each other over videos ripped off DU?
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Funny thing is that if you go almost any site now other than DU or HP, its 10 to 1 of people pissed off at this admn.
Ever see the yahoo, usa today, abc, comments sections lately? Same for la times, chicago tribune, sf chronical, etc.
People have had enough of this garbage despite what the msm kneepadders say.
I still have yet to see blacken or benny post one post with their own words other than an attack on someone.
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When you use numbers to counter it? You tried that, remember? Your numbers were summarily obliterated and you, like the pussy Obama drone you are, vanished from the thread.
Here. I'll give you a single number to refute. 1.8 PERCENT QUARTERLY GROWTH. BELOW EXPECTATIONS. DESPITE TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS SPENT BY OBAMA TO AVOID THAT.
Have fun refuting that, slick. Credit for having the balls to post in this thread, though. Sadly I can't say the same for the rest of your Obama butt buddies. :)
Funniest part of your post is by far "all the Obama achievements". LOL! Handing out thousands of healthcare waivers to your union cronies, Pelosi and Reid screams SUCCESS.
sighhhh..well I can't say that your post response wasn't expected.....at least I can say I tried to reason with you guys but of course I knew it wouldn't work since you have to have brains in order to reason.....anyway..enoug h with the putdowns....I will refute your post one point at a time
I did not leave the thread in question due to my numbers being obliterated as you stated...I left because we were just rehashing the same things over and over and the thread ran its course..it was just degenerating into name-calling...and i didn't abandon the thread..I will come back when there is more news to report...
I am happy you used a gov't statistic of 1.8% growth..not a good number for sure, but..again you have made my point for me..YOU can use a gov't statistic to prove your point...when I do the same and it shows a positive trend, you and the others on here get upset and claim the numbers can't possibly be true....otr that its a conspiracy to cook the numbers for Obama's benefit..CRAZY!!!....you won't even acknowledge that you do this...its funny!!!
As for the positive things Obama has done, what does it matter?..you spin all his achievements as failures....which is why you have NO CREDIBILITY..if you were more balanced, you would gain so much more respect for your views....but your comments are ignored due to your obvious bias....
Obama's achievements..
1. SALT treaty with Russia...opens up Russian nukes to inspection and verification and lowers number of nuclear weapons.
2. Killing of somali pirates and taking back of hostages..many countries such as china and Russia simply pay the ransom.
3. Capture and killing of many high level Al-Qaida operatives through raids and drone attacks..many more than in the Bush administration.
4. Gave loans to the auto industry thus saving tens of thousands of jobs and saving the U.S. auto industry from total collapse...ALL LOANS PAID BACK IN WHICH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE MADE A HUGE PROFIT. David Brooks, conservative Republican columnist for the Washington Times stated that he was opposed to the loans but now admits he made a mistake
5. Killing of Osama Bin Laden..need I say more???
6. Universal healthcare which achieves the goal of making sure all Americans have access to healthcare....which EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD ALREADY HAS...
7. Saved the banking industry and Wall Street from total collapse as well....its not perfect but at least people have regained some confidence in the banking industry again and banks are doing well and have PAID BACK ALL OF THEIR LOANS AS WELL
8. Passed credit card bill which limits the fees of credit card companies and sets limits on the raising of rates.
of course you will twist your brain mightily to spin all of the above into something negative..
I will agree with you that the cost is disturbing...BUT...the cost of healthcare was already disturbing and was going to get much much worse as the years go by..Obamacare is expensive..but it actually slows down the future cost of heathcare....its not perfect ..it needs work..but its the best we can do now
okay..waiting for all your spinning
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Credit card bill is a joke.
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Credit card bill is a joke.
it was the best you were going to get...at least Obama took them on and got something for the consumer....the credit card industry is a tough lobby....almost as tough as the jewish lobby
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It has had the opposite effect of what was intended.
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It has had the opposite effect of what was intended.
how?
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I posted a thread on it months ago. Search it.
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jesus, just copy and paste it again,it's not like you used your own words or put any time in it
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I'm on my phone. Not easy to do.
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I'm on my phone. Not easy to do.
Paul Ryan's fault.
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....refuse to show their faces in any thread about this regime's handling of the economy?
Is it cowardice, an inability to refute the points being made or just plain stupidity?
P.S. 1.8% growth last quarter came in under expectations. Shocking news to the Obama crowd who will tell you that everything is FINE (as they stick their fingers in their ears and scream "I can't hear you. I can't hear you").
why should we bother
I've personally wasted too many hours talking to the misinformed and willfully ignorant while guys like 333 pretend that I applaud everything the Obama administration does.
this board is mostly a waste of time and I only post when I've got nothing better to do such as when I'm on hold or stuck on a stupid conference call.
Do you think anything I say is going to convinces the moonbats on this board that Obama is not really a secret, Kenyan, Muslim, Communist, Marxist, etc... intent on collapsing the country
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jesus, just copy and paste it again,it's not like you used your own words or put any time in it
This is the epitome of irony. You're not even capable of tying your shoes in the morning, let alone actually stringing enough letters together to form a coherent thought, you jobless, welfare-leeching dreg on society.
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This is the epitome of irony. You're not even capable of tying your shoes in the morning, let alone actually stringing enough letters together to form a coherent thought, you jobless, welfare-leeching dreg on society.
i didn't know you were 3333386,this wasn't even to you, pin arms,go back to the kitchen and help mommy bake cookies, mommy's boy ;D
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i didn't know you were 3333386,this wasn't even to you, pin arms,go back to the kitchen and help mommy bake cookies, mommy's boy ;D
I'm just laughing at the fact that you have 25,000+ posts combined across your accounts and yet you have never made a single coherent post that didn't come from you copy/pasting a video/transcript off DU or whatever other leftist websites you visit yet you think you're in a position to call others out on supposedly copy/pasting material.
You are one sad and pathetic welfare leech.
Your responses in this thread really say a lot about the topic. Thanks for proving everything in it is right. Pussy.
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I'm just laughing at the fact that you have 25,000+ posts combined across your accounts and yet you have never made a single coherent post that didn't come from you copy/pasting a video/transcript off DU or whatever other leftist websites you visit yet you think you're in a position to call others out on supposedly copy/pasting material.
You are one sad and pathetic welfare leech.
Your responses in this thread really say a lot about the topic. Thanks for proving everything in it is right. Pussy.
can you post that picture of you again braaahahah
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Blackens posts prove bf 100 correct in this thread. What a joke.
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Blackens posts prove bf 100 correct in this thread. What a joke.
Indeed.
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Blackens posts prove bf 100 correct in this thread. What a joke.
333386 posts prove he has a man crush on bf :D
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Have you even looked at any of the economic data lately?
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Blackens posts prove bf 100 correct in this thread. What a joke.
He makes it too easy.
Thank you for confirming the points made in the first post, Blacken. Retard. :D :D :D :D
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Have you even looked at any of the economic data lately?
If it's not on YouTube he sure as hell hasn't.
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If it's not on YouTube he sure as hell hasn't.
your just to stoopid to under stand you sheap go watch more fox idiot :D :D :D :D
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Work economic so called recovery over the past 8 recessions.
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1.8% quarterly growth despite trillions upon trillions being spent by the Obama regime and his democratic cronies. Good trade-off, yo!
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your just to stoopid to under stand you sheap go watch more fox idiot :D :D :D :D
lol
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If it's not on YouTube he sure as hell hasn't.
He makes it too easy.
Thank you for confirming the points made in the first post, Blacken. Retard. :D :D :D :D
Have you even looked at any of the economic data lately?
holy shit it's the three homoamigos :D :D :D :D
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Since no one has refuted any of the accoomplishments that i noted for Obama then I take that to mean you all agree that those acomplishments were in fact valid and we can now move on to other things....
3333 stated the credit card bill was not impressive but I refuted that so now we are all in 100% agreement finally! :D
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I stopped reading this thread when Andre referred to the SALT treaty with Russia as an accomplishment. ::)
Ill let the irony of that sink in for 333 and BF. The rest of you are too stupid to understand why Andre's comment is funny.
We have some serious political science scholars on this board.
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333386 posts prove he has a man crush on bf :D
wait just a homo-loving minute.....if 3333 has a man crush on anyone, it'd better be moi !
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Screw that - you twinks can rally around obama and suck his irish cock all day long for all I care.
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Screw that - you twinks can rally around obama and suck his irish cock all day long for all I care.
:D
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I stopped reading this thread when Andre referred to the SALT treaty with Russia as an accomplishment. ::)
Ill let the irony of that sink in for 333 and BF. The rest of you are too stupid to understand why Andre's comment is funny.
We have some serious political science scholars on this board.
hahaha....why do you think the SALT treaty was bad?...it accomplished a lot of stuff...
1. It opened the Russian arsenal up to inspection and to getting an accurate count of just what the Russians have..you can't just trust the Russians to give us an accurate accounting of what they have....we have to see for ourselves.
2....this is important because the Russians are not so good at maintaining their weapons systems....thus creating the possibility of nuclear accidents...with the treaty we get to see exactly if and how the Russians are maintaining their nuclear arsenals...
3. It gives us a way to verify and watch as the Russians destroy their nuclear bombs as they reduce their arsenals like they are supposed to under the treaty...
4. By knowing what they have and how much, it makes military planning EASIER..we can plan how to respond to what they have and how to counter any advantages they have..it provides us with CERTAINTY...which any general will tell you is something ALL war planners want when assessing capabilities and strategies
5. politically it proves to our allies and the world that we are serious about peace because many in the world believe the U.S. is bent on world domination (which isn't true)...it gives us the moral authority to tell other nations to reduce their armaments as well....
6. Also the more they open up to us, the more we can spy on them and recruit spies from their side just like they are already doing here
7. The SALT pact binds the U.S. and Russia together politically and this in turn generates trust in other areas where we can also cooperate...for example, the Russians help us in Afghanistan by allowing us to bring military supplies across their country....this saves time, money and also puts us and the Russians ON THE SAME SIDE
what more can I point out to you?..and also, if you are going to criticize Obama for the SALT treaty, then you have to criticize Carter, Reagan, Both Bushes and Clinton as well..all of whom SUPPORTED THE TREATY and also...MOST OF THE NEGOTIATIONS FOR THE TREATY TOOK PLACE UNDER THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION..BUSH GETS THE CREDIT FOR MOST OF THE NEGOTIATIONS....but it was Obama who was able to push it through congress and get it ratified.....
sorry I had to bust your bubble again...but you are used to this by now anyway ;)
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Did you get that off www.barackobama.com.
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Did you get that off www.barackobama.com.
nope ..got it out of my own mind.,..something you have trouble with :)
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Screw that - you twinks can rally around obama and suck his irish cock all day long for all I care.
word to the wise; Irish men aren't well hung. just FYI.
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It has had the opposite effect of what was intended.
Didn't read the prior thread about credit card effect but I was pissed about it when it was passed. here was the problem...
The bill gave the credit card companies months to prepare for it. So prior to the bill coming into effect the credit card companies changed agreements, raised rates and put into place all that they wished to do in order to maximize their profits and reduce the impact the bill would have when it came into effect.
Then the cool thing was, once the bill came into effect, the credit card companies used it against the consumer by claiming they could not review or lower their interest rate for a 6 month period due to the new law.
So, all the bill did was force the credit card companies to screw us faster and harder than they were... You just can't give them so much advance notice and expect them not to take advantage of it.
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Andre, I will give you the drone killings, the Bin Laden assassination, and the pirate killings. But all the other accomplishments you have listed are only political accomplishments that have caused far more harm than good, or just caused much harm.
By the way, conservatives gave him credit on those foriegn policy accomplishments. 3333 gave him credit on the Bin Laden killing. Probably more credit than he deserved. There were more people on the right that gave Obama credit for the Bin Laden killing than there were people on the left who gave Bush credit.
Andre, My big problem with Obama and the liberals who support him is this: Liberals acted like the country went to hell under Bush and that Bush was the worst president ever. Well, the unemployment rate under Bush never got much higher than 6%, maybe 7% at the most (for most of the time it was closer to 5%, and was knocking at the door of the high 4% range.) Its been 2.5 years of OBama, and things have gotten much worse, and dont appear to be getting better. We are still close to 10% unemployement. Gas prices are $4.00 a gallon. Food prices are going up. Andre, those high prices are simply unacceptable at a 10% unemployement rate. When gas prices were $4.00 a gallon under Bush, we had 5% unemployement. When we had close to 7% unemployment under Bush, gas prices were at $2.00 a gallon. Democrats would be going insane if we had a 10% unemployement rate under Bush and $4.00 gas.
Almost every foreign policy matter that Bush was criticised for has been vindicated. Obama signed an executive order to have Guantonimo Bay closed in one year, and it has been 2.5 years since that happened. It is not closed. Andre, arent you embarassed by that? Dont you think that is completley unprofessional and unpresidential? I think its pathetic. OBama was trying to embarass Bush and Cheney with that exectuve order, and it turns out that he has embarassed himself.
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What the past 2.5 years of OBama has shown me is this: Around the time that Bush became president, reality simply bit the country in the ass. THe tech bubble popped after the unsustainable and massive stock market returns of the late 90s. The 9/11 terrorist attacks occured. Vastly increase demand of oil from China and India caused a tightening of world oil supply. The baby boomers started demanding more health care with thier increased age. It should now be clear to a reasonable person that Bush was at worst a mixed bag when overseeing the country during this time.
Yes, the man had his faults and made his share of mistakes. He allowed the Federal Reserve to print too much money. The federal government spent too much money. The Iraq War was mismanaged for the first 3 years and he was too slow to change strategy and fire people quickly enough to get that strategy changed. But so far it looks like Bush's presidency is far more of a success than Obama's. Anything on the economy that Bush did bad, Obama has done far worse. Anything that Obama has done good on foreign policy is basically an extention or continuation of what Bush did.
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Andre, I will give you the drone killings, the Bin Laden assassination, and the pirate killings. But all the other accomplishments you have listed are only political accomplishments that have caused far more harm than good, or just caused much harm.
By the way, conservatives gave him credit on those foriegn policy accomplishments. 3333 gave him credit on the Bin Laden killing. Probably more credit than he deserved. There were more people on the right that gave Obama credit for the Bin Laden killing than there were people on the left who gave Bush credit.
Andre, My big problem with Obama and the liberals who support him is this: Liberals acted like the country went to hell under Bush and that Bush was the worst president ever. Well, the unemployment rate under Bush never got much higher than 6%, maybe 7% at the most (for most of the time it was closer to 5%, and was knocking at the door of the high 4% range.) Its been 2.5 years of OBama, and things have gotten much worse, and dont appear to be getting better. We are still close to 10% unemployement. Gas prices are $4.00 a gallon. Food prices are going up. Andre, those high prices are simply unacceptable at a 10% unemployement rate. When gas prices were $4.00 a gallon under Bush, we had 5% unemployement. When we had close to 7% unemployment under Bush, gas prices were at $2.00 a gallon. Democrats would be going insane if we had a 10% unemployement rate under Bush and $4.00 gas.
Almost every foreign policy matter that Bush was criticised for has been vindicated. Obama signed an executive order to have Guantonimo Bay closed in one year, and it has been 2.5 years since that happened. It is not closed. Andre, arent you embarassed by that? Dont you think that is completley unprofessional and unpresidential? I think its pathetic. OBama was trying to embarass Bush and Cheney with that exectuve order, and it turns out that he has embarassed himself.
first off, this is a very good post and you make a good point....I agree 100% with you that the Democrats were really harsh on Bush and I was really upset about that as well.....I think they went overboard..people on here try to paint me as an extreme liberal and an Obama apologist but I assure you I'm not...I was a Bush supporter..I just think its dumb to blame the President for everything that happens and to tear him down...its very infantile to do this....Bush was a great president until the final two years....
I still believe that everything I listed as an Obama accomplishment is accurate.....as for the economy I agree with you that after two years, Obama has to take responsibility for it but you also have to look at where we were two years ago..
Unemployment was high then..worse now I will admit
Banking system and Wall street on verge of collapse
Auto industry on the verge of collapse as well
on the Guantanomo Bay thing, Obama's intentions were good....but then NO COUNTRIES WOULD ACCEPT THEIR TERRORIST NATIONALS so we were stuck with them..however you are right that Obama promised to close Guantanomo and failed to do so
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What the past 2.5 years of OBama has shown me is this: Around the time that Bush became president, reality simply bit the country in the ass. THe tech bubble popped after the unsustainable and massive stock market returns of the late 90s. The 9/11 terrorist attacks occured. Vastly increase demand of oil from China and India caused a tightening of world oil supply. The baby boomers started demanding more health care with thier increased age. It should now be clear to a reasonable person that Bush was at worst a mixed bag when overseeing the country during this time.
Yes, the man had his faults and made his share of mistakes. He allowed the Federal Reserve to print too much money. The federal government spent too much money. The Iraq War was mismanaged for the first 3 years and he was too slow to change strategy and fire people quickly enough to get that strategy changed. But so far it looks like Bush's presidency is far more of a success than Obama's. Anything on the economy that Bush did bad, Obama has done far worse. Anything that Obama has done good on foreign policy is basically an extention or continuation of what Bush did.
another good post....and yes reality did bite us in the ass....I will accept your argument somewhat of Obama's failings but he has done a lot of good as I have already listed..and he has gotten more done in two years than most presidents accomplish in two terms