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Watch this toards the end. Unreal. Here is is attacking the health care mandate.
AND NOW WE GET HIM DEFENDING THE MANDATE
AND FOR THE BELLY LAUGH OF BELLY LAUGHS.
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Bump for Andre.
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Bump for Straw - Andre - and 240
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I didn't bother watching but let me guess
when he was running he said one thing and when he got in office and couldn't get what he wanted he had to compromise and then go out and advocate for his compromise
what's the point
it's passed and sometime in the future when an insurance company can't kick your off your plan for no good reason or can't exclude you for a pre-existing condition (most likely a mental disorder) you'll look back and thank Obama
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I didn't bother watching but let me guess
when he was running he said one thing and when he got in office and couldn't get what he wanted he had to compromise and then go out and advocate for his compromise
what's the point
it's passed and sometime in the future when an insurance company can't kick your off your plan for no good reason or can't exclude you for a pre-existing condition (most likely a mental disorder) you'll look back and thank Obama
Watch the clips moron.
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Watch the clips moron.
I never watch any clips you post
told you that many times
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I never watch any clips you post
told you that many times
Yeah - because if you watched the above you would not have any excuses to keep spouting your nonsense and lies.
If Obama felt that strongly against the mandate as he did when running, he would have vetoed the bill or refused to sign it. Its called leadership and integrity. Something this disgusting wretch and ghetto thug looting flash mobber has never had.
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Yeah - because if you watched the above you would not have any excuses to keep spouting your nonsense and lies.
If Obama felt that strongly against the mandate as he did when running, he would have vetoed the bill or refused to sign it. Its called leadership and integrity. Something this disgusting wretch and ghetto thug looting flash mobber has never had.
I don't watch your clips because it never actually matters to YOU what is in the clip or what the facts are
you "hear" whatever you want and choose to "believe" only what reinforces your opinions
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I don't watch your clips because it never actually matters to YOU what is in the clip or what the facts are
you "hear" whatever you want and choose to "believe" only what reinforces your opinions
LMAO! Its obama in his own words!
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LMAO! Its obama in his own words!
what part about my first post don't you understand
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what part about my first post don't you understand
Fine - have someone else tell me that I am hearing something different in these clips than what obama is saying.
Should be interesting.
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Fine - have someone else tell me that I am hearing something different in these clips than what obama is saying.
Should be interesting.
I'll say it again and tell me what part you don't understand:
Like ALL politicians, when he was running he said one thing and when he got in office and couldn't get what he wanted he had to compromise and then go out and advocate for his compromise
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I'll say it again and tell me what part you don't understand:
Like ALL politicians, when he was running he said one thing and when he got in office and couldn't get what he wanted he had to compromise and then go out and advocate for his compromise
Sorry Straw - obama lied about EVERYTHING and had be been remotely honest, Hillary would have won by a mile. Obama was elected on lies and deciet. His entire existence is based on lies and taquiya.
Comprimise? Sorry - something so big as the mandate is not open for that if you feel as passionately about it as he claims in the clip. And did he ever say he only signed on to it because that was the ionly way he could get a bill? No! ! !
He did so out of his utterly dishonest and corrupt dealings with the drug companies and insurers. Do read anything at all?
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Sorry Straw - obama lied about EVERYTHING and had be been remotely honest, Hillary would have won by a mile. Obama was elected on lies and deciet. His entire existence is based on lies and taquiya.
Comprimise? Sorry - something so big as the mandate is not open for that if you feel as passionately about it as he claims in the clip. And did he ever say he only signed on to it because that was the ionly way he could get a bill? No! ! !
He did so out of his utterly dishonest and corrupt dealings with the drug companies and insurers. Do read anything at all?
I'm telling you how the world works and you should know this
on the campaign trail you sell your ideal plans and when you get in office you have to compromise and then you have to sell your compromise
the Dems caved on healthecare and we got weak compromise and Obama has to go out and polish that turd
that's the way it works
isn't it about time in this thread that you post some pics of Michell Obama or some similar shit that you do?
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I'm telling you how the world works and you should know this
on the campaign trail you sell your ideal plans and when you get in office you have to compromise and then you have to sell your compromise
the Dems caved on healthecare and we got weak compromise and Obama has to go out and polish that turd
that's the way it works
isn't it about time in this thread that you post some pics of Michell Obama or some similar shit that you do?
Ha ha ha - I know how it works - but what you refuse to accept is that Obama ran as something different - CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN.
Had he run and won as a retail pol, thats one thing. But people are utterly discontented with the flood of lies and deciet.
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Ha ha ha - I know how it works - but what you refuse to accept is that Obama ran as something different - CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN.
Had he run and won as a retail pol, thats one thing. But people are utterly discontented with the flood of lies and deciet.
as usual
you can't process reality
not much more I can do to help you with that
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as usual
you can't process reality
not much more I can do to help you with that
Maybe you have not seen the polls to where obamacare is polling as worse as ever?
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Maybe you have not seen the polls to where obamacare is polling as worse as ever?
you mean those polls which confirm people are less informed now about it than they were a year ago
I exclude you of course because I don't think you could get less informed
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you mean those polls which confirm people are less informed now about it than they were a year ago
I exclude you of course because I don't think you could get less informed
See - this is where you are clueless. Obama told people their premiums would go down!
Premiums are skyrocketing and they blame him based on his bullshit promises.
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See - this is where you are clueless. Obama told people their premiums would go down!
Premiums are skyrocketing and they blame him based on his bullshit promises.
you aware (of course not) that virtually none of the legislation has gone into effect
why don't you find something else to belly ache about for the time being
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you aware (of course not) that virtually none of the legislation has gone into effect
why don't you find something else to belly ache about for the time being
And you think that premiums will go down when even more burdens are put on carriers?
LMFAO!
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And you think that premiums will go down when even more burdens are put on carriers?
LMFAO!
what burdens you're talking about
you mean the 30 million new customers that will buy private insurance?
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what burdens you're talking about
you mean the 30 million new customers that will buy private insurance?
They are not going to buy shit! Straw - this is why you need immediate help.
Say the fine is $2k a year, but now the cheapest policy is 6k a year as a result of all the mandates.
Guess what happens, especially in times of economic depression ?
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They are not going to buy shit! Straw - this is why you need immediate help.
Say the fine is $2k a year, but now the cheapest policy is 6k a year as a result of all the mandates.
Guess what happens, especially in times of economic depression ?
haven't you learned anything
you know your #'s don't mean shit providng a source
surely you have a source right?
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haven't you learned anything
you know your #'s don't mean shit providng a source
surely you have a source right?
Its fucking reality, especially since they can't turn away pre-existing conditions. why should anyone buy insurance until they get sick?
This whole scam and scheme is one of the most idiotic things I could ever imagine. Legally, mathmatically, realistically, etc obamacare is one of the most inane and warped plans i have ever heard of.
If I gave you $2 million dollars and told you to come up with a worse plan a month from now than obamacare - you could not possibly come up with anything as fiscally unsound and bogus as obamacare.
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Its fucking reality, especially since they can't turn away pre-existing conditions. why should anyone buy insurance until they get sick?
This whole scam and scheme is one of the most idiotic things I could ever imagine. Legally, mathmatically, realistically, etc obamacare is one of the most inane and warped plans i have ever heard of.
If I gave you $2 million dollars and told you to come up with a worse plan a month from now than obamacare - you could not possibly come up with anything as fiscally unsound and bogus as obamacare.
translation = no source whatsoever for your claim of a 2k fine
come on man you must have gotten that from somewhere
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translation = no source whatsoever for your claim of a 2k fine
come on man you must have gotten that from somewhere
Just like I said the stim bill would be a disaster, UE would get worse, and every other policy of this disgraceful admn would fail, take it to the bank - obamacare is going to collapse under its own weight no different than Solyndra.
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Just like I said the stim bill would be a disaster, UE would get worse, and every other policy of this disgraceful admn would fail, take it to the bank - obamacare is going to collapse under its own weight no different than Solyndra.
all I asked was for a simple source for your claim
let's see it
come on, you're not telling me you just made it up are you?
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all I asked was for a simple source for your claim
let's see it
come on, you're not telling me you just made it up are you?
i don't need a source - its reality. The same way I called the failure of the stim bill, TALF, UE, etc etc, this is no different.
obamaCare is a ponzi scheme that will collapse under its own weight. Believe in all the fairy dust you like, it will make you look that much worse when this thing is either struck down at the SC or repealed due to its unsustainable nature.
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translation = no source whatsoever for your claim of a 2k fine
come on man you must have gotten that from somewhere
http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0909/Ensign_receives_handwritten_confirmation_.html?showall
Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) received a handwritten note Thursday from Joint Committee on Taxation Chief of Staff Tom Barthold confirming the penalty for failing to pay the up to $1,900 fee for not buying health insurance.
Handwritten Note:
http://www.politico.com/static/PPM110_090925_document2.html
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http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0909/Ensign_receives_handwritten_confirmation_.html?showall
Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) received a handwritten note Thursday from Joint Committee on Taxation Chief of Staff Tom Barthold confirming the penalty for failing to pay the up to $1,900 fee for not buying health insurance.
Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead. He signed it "Sincerely, Thomas A. Barthold."
The note was a follow-up to Ensign's questioning at the markup.
http://www.politico.com/static/PPM110_090925_document2.html
Straw is like other gullible, foolish, and naive far left idiots - they actually buy in to the crap spoon fed to them by other far left idiots. People like straw are immune to the reality of the failures of the policies they advocate and always try to use the holdback of "we did not spend enough . . . ." "we did not go far enough . . . " when asked to explain the policy failures of the things they support.
Its like Krugman, romer, Goolsbee, Krueger, et al tryingh to explain away their failures.
These dirtbags speak only to themselves and have not an ounce of a clue how out of touch and out of reality they are. Fod gods sake - their main guy is promoting space alien invasions as a way to economic success!!!! Seriously!!!! This is the level of nonsense these fools engage in and are left with nothing but petty insults to explain away the failure of their policies to generate positive results.
Its like going to a gym and taking advice from the fattest guy you can find! Who does that? Well, economically that is what leftists do.
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http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0909/Ensign_receives_handwritten_confirmation_.html?showall
Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) received a handwritten note Thursday from Joint Committee on Taxation Chief of Staff Tom Barthold confirming the penalty for failing to pay the up to $1,900 fee for not buying health insurance.
Handwritten Note:
http://www.politico.com/static/PPM110_090925_document2.html
how about we look at what is ACTUALLY in the legislation rather than a handwritten note given to a Senator during the mark up period
from Wiki with reference provided on their site to the legislation that was actually passed
Impose an annual penalty of $95, or up to 1% of income, whichever is greater, on individuals who do not secure insurance; this will rise to $695, or 2.5% of income, by 2016. This is an individual limit; families have a limit of $2,085.[11][65] Exemptions to the fine in cases of financial hardship or religious beliefs are permitted
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act#cite_note-ksr_hlth-10
Frankly, I'd be fine with a one time waiver. If you have the income to purchase insurance but don't want it you get to skip the penalty but you NEVER get back into the program. That way you won't be able to avoid paying and then become a financial burden on the system later.
After that you are free to purcahse private insurance but NONE of the provisions of the legislation would apply to you and of course you're still free to participate in an employers group plan if you so choose at a later date
I think that would protect the financial viablity of the program and allow idealogues to do what they prefer
As long as they can't be a financial burden on others (and what right winger would object to that) I'd have no problem waiving the penatly
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how about we look at what is ACTUALLY in the legislation rather than a handwritten note given to a Senator during the mark up period
from Wiki with reference provided on their site to the legislation that was actually passed
Impose an annual penalty of $95, or up to 1% of income, whichever is greater, on individuals who do not secure insurance; this will rise to $695, or 2.5% of income, by 2016. This is an individual limit; families have a limit of $2,085.[11][65] Exemptions to the fine in cases of financial hardship or religious beliefs are permitted
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act#cite_note-ksr_hlth-10
Frankly, I'd be fine with a one time waiver. If you have the income to purchase insurance but don't want it you get to skip the penalty but you NEVER get back into the program. That way you won't be able to avoid paying and then become a financial burden on the system later.
After that you are free to purcahse private insurance but NONE of the provisions of the legislation would apply to you and of course you're still free to participate in an employers group plan if you so choose at a later date
I think that would protect the financial viablity of the program and allow idealogues to do what they prefer
As long as they can't be a financial burden on others (and what right winger would object to that) I'd have no problem waiving the penatly
Straw Idiot, please define what: "or 2.5% of income, by 2016." means?
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Idiot, please define what: "or 2.5% of income, by 2016." means ?
why the name calling
do you see me calling you names
you can read what it means for yourself
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why the name calling
do you see me calling you names
you can read what it means for yourself
I want you to tel me what you think it means.
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I want you to tel me what you think it means.
why should I give a shit what you want
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why should I give a shit what you want
because you might learn something.
From your link:
"or 2.5% of income, by 2016."
Also from your link:
(http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/~/media/Images/KHN%20Features/2010/Dec/13%2017/Laszewskichart1512.jpg?w=512&h=178&as=1)
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Columns/2010/December/121410laszewski.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act#cite_note-ksr_hlth-10
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Again - the fine is tiny compared to the cost of obamaCare mandates.
Its the worst of all worlds than only someone who believes in Kenyanomics could possibly buy in to.
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(http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/~/media/Images/KHN%20Features/2010/Dec/13%2017/Laszewskichart1512.jpg?w=512&h=178&as=1)
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Columns/2010/December/121410laszewski.aspx
There are many exceptions, including if the cost of health care exceeds 8% of your income
Either way, I have no problem with the fine
It has to be expensive enough to prevent people from avoiding insurance while they are healthy and then trying to get into the system when they are sick
how many people earning 90k a a year don't have insurance right now
IF they can't afford it now due to needing to be on a private plan that costs too much because of the current abusive practices then the legislation is supposed to make affordable alterntives avaialble so they will not longer have that excuse
the only excuse after that point will be that they person chooses to live recklessly and expects the rest of us to subsidize their health care when they get sick or injured
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THERE ARE NO AFFORDABLE ALTERNATIVES ASSHOLE!
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Again - the fine is tiny compared to the cost of obamaCare mandates.
Its the worst of all worlds than only someone who believes in Kenyanomics could possibly buy in to.
I'll bet the deductible and co-pays on your current private plan are much greater than the penalty
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There are many exceptions, including if the cost of health care exceeds 8% of your income
Either way, I have no problem with the fine
It has to be expensive enough to prevent people from avoiding insurance while they are healthy and then trying to get into the system when they are sick
how many people earning 90k a a year don't have insurance right now
IF they can't afford it now due to needing to be on a private plan that costs too much because of the current abusive practices then the legislation is supposed to make affordable alterntives avaialble so they will not longer have that excuse
the only excuse after that point will be that they person chooses to live recklessly and expects the rest of us to subsidize their health care when they get sick or injured
LMAO !!
You asked for a source proving the 2k fine, and when I posted proof, you countered with a link that proved it is true as well..
Only on GetBig!!!
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LMAO !!
You asked for a source proving the 2k fine, and when I posted proof, you countered with a link that proved it is true as well..
Only on GetBig!!!
Ah...Rule #10 - Be Creative with your Sources.
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LMAO !!
You asked for a source proving the 2k fine, and when I posted proof, you countered with a link that proved it is true as well..
Only on GetBig!!!
You mean - ONLY IN THE MIND OF A FAR LEFTIST OBAMABOT
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It's a shitty bill filled with holes, crap, piss, waste, corruption, constitutional "problems" and nothingness.
There are better ways to go about this particular problem.
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You can always count on this place for a few good laughs!
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You can always count on this place for a few good laughs!
Wurd. :)
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LMAO !!
You asked for a source proving the 2k fine, and when I posted proof, you countered with a link that proved it is true as well..
Only on GetBig!!!
yeah but it's not simply a 2k fine as was first written by 333 and it's not even up to that until 2016 at which time the legislation is supposed to have made available affordable alternatives so only an idiot would choose the option of the fine. There are also many exceptions, such as if you don't make enough money to pay income tax (aren't we told this is half the country) or if your insurance would cost more than 8% of your income (I know people right now who pay more than 8% of their income for insurance)
those little details were left out
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yeah but it's not simply a 2k fine as was first written by 333 and it's not even up to that until 2016 at which time the legislation is supposed to have made available affordable alternatives so only an idiot would choose the option of the fine. There are also many exceptions, such as if you don't make enough money to pay income tax (aren't we told this is half the country) or if your insurance would cost more than 8% of your income (I know people right now who pay more than 8% of their income for insurance)
those little details were left out
Sorry i thought you knew the details of the bill, guess I was wrong.
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THERE ARE NO AFFORDABLE ALTERNATIVES ASSHOLE!
that's the point of the legislation ASSHOLE
you will have affordable alternatives when it actually kicks in or at least that's the premise and promise of the legislation
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Sorry i thought you knew the details of the bill, guess I was wrong.
I just gave them to you
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that's the point of the legislation ASSHOLE
you will have affordable alternatives when it actually kicks in or at least that's the premise and promise of the legislation
LMFAO!!!!! Post of the week. We need to frame this.
are you seriously this naive and gullbile to believe this crap?
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LMFAO!!!!! Post of the week. We need to frame this.
are you seriously this naive and gullbile to believe this crap?
you must think the legislation has already taken effect
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LMFAO!!!!! Post of the week. We need to frame this.
are you seriously this naive and gullbile to believe this crap?
Maybe Straw just enjoys making a fool of himself...
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It's a shitty bill filled with holes, crap, piss, waste, corruption, constitutional "problems" and nothingness.
There are better ways to go about this particular problem.
much better ways
they could have just gotten rid of the legal monopoly that healthcare companies enjoy and written laws to prevent the most agregious abuses and that would have taken care of the majority fo the problem
I never understand why both parties couldn't get behind repealing the McCarran–Ferguson Act which gives insurance companies exemption from federal anti-trust regulations
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Maybe Straw just enjoys making a fool of himself...
I guess you also believe the legislation is in full effect already
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much better ways
they could have just gotten rid of the legal monopoly that healthcare companies enjoy and written laws to prevent the most agregious abuses and that would have taken care of the majority fo the problem
I never understand why both parties couldn't get behind repealing the McCarran–Ferguson Act which gives insurance companies exemption from federal anti-trust regulations
Gee I wonder why ::).
( roomy eye not at you straw)
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much better ways
they could have just gotten rid of the legal monopoly that healthcare companies enjoy and written laws to prevent the most agregious abuses and that would have taken care of the majority fo the problem
I never understand why both parties couldn't get behind repealing the McCarran–Ferguson Act which gives insurance companies exemption from federal anti-trust regulations
Yep. No competition anywhere, they can get as big as they want and do what they want without fear of regulation or the law. They get so big and so powerful that politicians won't touch them.
And now a lot of those insurance companies got integrated with large banks and on and on...
Say, why doesn't the govt. enforce anti-trust laws with the To Big To Fail banks either?
Weird.
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Yep. No competition anywhere, they can get as big as they want and do what they want without fear of regulation or the law. They get so big and so powerful that politicians won't touch them.
And now a lot of those insurance companies got integrated with large banks and on and on...
Say, why doesn't the govt. enforce anti-trust laws with the To Big To Fail banks either?
Weird.
I agree. I"ve said many times on this site that we should have broken up the big banks but instead we took banks that were too big to fail and made them 2-3 times bigger
It makes no sense but I think at the time they were just in disaster control mode but I don't see why they can't do something now.
BofA would be a good place to start