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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Woldzilla on June 06, 2011, 03:19:28 AM
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HI
first of all thanks gh15 for allt he info on inside of bbing, even though I am a recreational bber and far from shape of most bb's here I really appreciate all the info you put in this forum.
my dad was a world champion powerlifter in the 80's in the 125kg class and I recognise many things you refer to from 80's athletes and impressed with how the sprot has changed.
I have a question for you regarding bodybuilders from the 80's and how they dieted and got in contest shape.
I noticed you mentioned a lot about how todays bodybuilders get ready for shows and for me as a recreational bodybuilder that is not realistic.
Hoever I was always impressed by the contest shape of bodybuilders from the 80s like mohamed makkawi, samir bannout etc (excuse spelling if wrong)
They seemed to have deeps muscle seperation and cuts all over the place especially arms and shoulders..which I do not see nowadays..
Also they looked great symmetrically and as they were not huge gave the impression it was attainable for many by hard work and dedication.
I have read a lot about training schedules and as they did not have acces to the drugs bodybuilders do nowadays I was wondering how they got in that terrific contest shape ??
I heard some stories about bodybuilders from 80's just eating cans of tuna in water only for weeks however thats sounds awfull and not realistic..but might be true due to lack of info at the time...
Can you tell me/us how how these guys dieted/trained/used to get into contest shape?
Thanks in advance.
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It really amazes me how much things have changed. I started training in '88 and thought the pro's were monsters - almost like cartoons. I was watching the WBF footage of Strydom before and he looks half the size of todays pro's.
Better - but much smaller.
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High protein,low carbs......80`s.
Cardio and more volume.
70`s were high protein no carbs and higher fats(steak,eggs,cottage cheese,tuna,ground beef,chicken,fish............and the occasional salad.
Lots of volume ,no cardio.
NO insulin was a big factor in keeping the waist wasplike and very little GH was used if ever and only by a few.
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HI
first of all thanks gh15 for allt he info on inside of bbing, even though I am a recreational bber and far from shape of most bb's here I really appreciate all the info you put in this forum.
my dad was a world champion powerlifter in the 80's in the 125kg class and I recognise many things you refer to from 80's athletes and impressed with how the sprot has changed.
I have a question for you regarding bodybuilders from the 80's and how they dieted and got in contest shape.
I noticed you mentioned a lot about how todays bodybuilders get ready for shows and for me as a recreational bodybuilder that is not realistic.
Hoever I was always impressed by the contest shape of bodybuilders from the 80s like mohamed makkawi, samir bannout etc (excuse spelling if wrong)
They seemed to have deeps muscle seperation and cuts all over the place especially arms and shoulders..which I do not see nowadays..
Also they looked great symmetrically and as they were not huge gave the impression it was attainable for many by hard work and dedication.
I have read a lot about training schedules and as they did not have acces to the drugs bodybuilders do nowadays I was wondering how they got in that terrific contest shape ??
I heard some stories about bodybuilders from 80's just eating cans of tuna in water only for weeks however thats sounds awfull and not realistic..but might be true due to lack of info at the time...
Can you tell me/us how how these guys dieted/trained/used to get into contest shape?
Thanks in advance.
Fuck off.
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Ok Just want to what you would say. At my last competiton- at the Master Nationals last year- - over 50 Superheavyweights- got third. To get to first place in that division (and win the over 50 posedown) what do you think I have to do? (I was on 600 mg test- cut it 10 days out because I tend to hold water, 150 mg Tren a week, cut it a week out, 50 mg oral Anavar daily up to the show, and did lasix 3 times afternoon, evening before the show and morning of show- flying messes me up). If you need pics look up on this site or or I can send you a link- it wont let me send them in PM.
change lasix to diazide ,,lasix no good
gh15 approved
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change lasix to diazide ,,lasix no good
gh15 approved
gh15 What diuretic do you recommend using for "special occasions" except competition of course.
Im talking for days you feel youre holding water.
And how do you use it? Ive used diuretics but only precontest - few days out.
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gh15 What diuretic do you recommend using for "special occasions" except competition of course.
Im talking for days you feel youre holding water.
And how do you use it? Ive used diuretics but only precontest - few days out.
I had one old school competitor tell me Midol is fine for the common water retention lol
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for whores ..aldactone or mild diuretic of doc choice,,
for fellas .. aldactone,,
use for a week ,,play with it ,,see how you look,, if you are truly fat you will see it wont help ,,if you are lean and see the things i talk about in bible...aka you see the vein coming from delt to chest...vein or veins...you see the veins on forarms...you see abs yet you dont have the suck in shrink wrapped...then diuretic within few days will make DRASTIC CHANGE ON YOU and you will wake up in the morning and wil be refered to by your female friend or whore whomever ended up in your bed as...magazine fitness model
diuretic is the only diff between advanced gym rat and fitness model,,ONLY DIFF
gh15 approved
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for whores ..aldactone or mild diuretic of doc choice,,
for fellas .. aldactone,,
use for a week ,,play with it ,,see how you look,, if you are truly fat you will see it wont help ,,if you are lean and see the things i talk about in bible...aka you see the vein coming from delt to chest...vein or veins...you see the veins on forarms...you see abs yet you dont have the suck in shrink wrapped...then diuretic within few days will make DRASTIC CHANGE ON YOU and you will wake up in the morning and wil be refered to by your female friend or whore whomever ended up in your bed as...magazine fitness model
diuretic is the only diff between advanced gym rat and fitness model,,ONLY DIFF
gh15 approved
Thanks big guy.
Now does nutrition matter the week you use it...How it should be? and water intake?
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I had one old school competitor tell me Midol is fine for the common water retention lol
Never heard of that..
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Thanks big guy.
Now does nutrition matter the week you use it...How it should be? and water intake?
Yep, that would interest me as well.
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Never heard of that..
it does have a mild diuretic in it, some form of anti-histamine. It's called Pyrilamine
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nutrition matter when it comes to being 4% ,,it doesnt matter when it comes to 6% ,,again when i say not matter i do not mean you can sit in mcdonalds 5 times a dsay ,,and i dotn mean you can drink the canola oil your mama is cooking with 3 times a day ,,and you cant sit eat candies all day long or cakes,,,you do need to have over all balance,,but in the big picture you can sit eat sushi and german and jamaican and walk around 6% and with diuretic look amazing dry 6% that is straight out of mens health magazine ,,well its homo magazine ,,so muscle and fitness...
for 4% nutrition matter,,then its a very detailed nutrition and it is followed for number of weeks by all of us,,NUMBER OF WEEKS DOESNT MEAN 5 MONTHS,,OR 3 MONTHS,,it means number of weeks 4-8 weeks if you know your body
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Yep, that would interest me as well.
Yes it would be interting..
Well last week precontest you play with water/sa;t/carbs so its more like a preset regime...y know what do do and when..
But how a diuteric would fit into a typical week..
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isn't dyazide better than aldactone ???
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isn't dyazide better than aldactone ???
They are both considered "mild"...
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High protein,low carbs......80`s.
Cardio and more volume.
70`s were high protein no carbs and higher fats(steak,eggs,cottage cheese,tuna,ground beef,chicken,fish............and the occasional salad.
Lots of volume ,no cardio.
NO insulin was a big factor in keeping the waist wasplike and very little GH was used if ever and only by a few.
thanks wes. high volume understandable however bit surprised with the no cardio part but i guess the high volume was enough
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70`s were high protein no carbs and higher fats(steak,eggs,cottage cheese,tuna,ground beef,chicken,fish............and the occasional salad.
Lots of volume ,no cardio.
Wasn't Mike Mentzer known for doing hours of amphetamine-fueled cardio?
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you fellas need to ask yourself the following when thinking about the cult you are part of ,,
1. when was last time anyone of those misereble lizards the coach ,,noelfulershit,, etc ever answered a question of you in regarding hormones,, when did they answer a question inregard diuretic? when did they answer question completely inregard to doses and legit products in the cult,,you need to ask you yourself when was the last time dantas came to tell you about hgh power rather than his garbage grass protien ,,you need to sk yourself when was last time getny came to tell you that 250lb is perfectly possible at 6% naturaly if you were just born right... (then pming gh15 asking about trenbolona sources),,you should ask yourself when was last time someone came to you with out the mission of abusing you and rob your money ,,,when was this last time?
when was the last time any top cult member came to help you with testosterona protocols,,when was the last time tropopina the trainer came here and told you straight out the way to load hgh and the blits of aas that come with it and right after it ,,when did he come here to tell you this? NEVER he and the coach ,,and the dantas and the noelos,,they all come with agendas of getting clients,,getting more customers,,everything done for money and even then it is not done in truthful way but in their way of squizing every little bit of money out of your pocket,,
a bodybuild ,,typical bodybuild wil never share his so call secrets,,they dont want you to be like them ,,they want to be considered genetically special while in reaility they are not,,we are not geneticaly anything,,many of us look much worse than you off hormones...see kevin who look like he has hiv..he doesnt btu he is just so much hormeless in the body ,,his body doesnt produce nothing anymore that if he is not on hrt he within weeks become shadow of a human ...
stop what ever you doing rigth now ,,unless you are getting blow job from a hot whore,,and think and ask yourself when was last time when twister... (coach) told you about anything other than his new 1/10 famous client from some no where to be heard mma organization ,, and when was the last time he atualy told you the cycles that go into those fellas training,, when did he do that? THATS RIGHT ,,NEVER,,even if he did he would lie,,its his second nature to lie,,
ask yourself when was last time rodrigez came here to tell you a thing about hormones? never ever ,,but did he help you with training? noooo he came to get publicity becaus he knew gh15 was here and the all world is reading this boarding,,so he came here so everyone can see him and know he is the up and coming fake natural ,,then left with shame ,, he didnt help you in nothing aside from ABUSING you once again
ask yourself when was the last time ...philsulina came here and aside from his house and car talked about anything in regard to loading ummm insulina! when was it? you got that right NEVER
and the list go on and on and on ,,its all same thing,,like we all look alike on stage,,its almost like its a silent agreement to be asshole and nto share information ,,truthful information among cult members for those abusers need you to sponsor them! ,,this should not last anymore,,i know many of my pupils will continue to develop and they themselves will come out and do greeat things and help the cult ,,look at professional ifbb hungarian steve ,,he help quite a bit and its a great example of what i wanted to change,,there are few more,,
but! ask yourself when was mishkp here last time talking about anything other than his snake oil?? when was he saying to you the true protocol of his hgh and insulina loads? YOU GOT THAT RIGHT NEVER!
ask yourself when wass the last time anyone was here for other reason beside abusing you,,
THEY WANT YOUR MONEY,,YOU SHOULD NOT GIVE IT OUT!,,insted you should follow the bible ,,and become just as good bodybuild as they! and you will surpass them if you believ in yourself and actualy learn the bible!
gh15 approved
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the truth right here !
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I once asked Mishko about how insulin works for bodybuilding. It doesn't make sense to me because no matter how much you eat your body will always produce enough insulin to process the carbs and shuttle them into the cells. Why does adding more insulin matter? He just told me to think about it.
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Thank you God.
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thanks gh15
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for whores ..aldactone or mild diuretic of doc choice,,
for fellas .. aldactone,,
use for a week ,,play with it ,,see how you look,, if you are truly fat you will see it wont help ,,if you are lean and see the things i talk about in bible...aka you see the vein coming from delt to chest...vein or veins...you see the veins on forarms...you see abs yet you dont have the suck in shrink wrapped...then diuretic within few days will make DRASTIC CHANGE ON YOU and you will wake up in the morning and wil be refered to by your female friend or whore whomever ended up in your bed as...magazine fitness model
diuretic is the only diff between advanced gym rat and fitness model,,ONLY DIFF
gh15 approved
how to use it in order of not getting flat ?
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I once asked Mishko about how insulin works for bodybuilding. It doesn't make sense to me because no matter how much you eat your body will always produce enough insulin to process the carbs and shuttle them into the cells. Why does adding more insulin matter? He just told me to think about it.
Oh my...Next you will be shouting from the rooftops about those stupid scientists and their "dark matter".
Full moon tonight or what?
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gh15 = truth
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gh15 how about burinex?
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Oh my...Next you will be shouting from the rooftops about those stupid scientists and their "dark matter".
Full moon tonight or what?
What are you talking about, dipshit?
I have a degree in Math and Applied Science from UCLA and work as an engineer so don't talk to me about science. And this coming from a 30 year old "student."
BTW, even as a full time student and supporting myself working 7 days a week I still had the discipline to train regularly. Whereas you, always putting yourself out as some authority, has to make excuses as to why you don't train and is out of shape: "30 years old/full time student" LOL! You're a weak willed pussy and alcoholic. "30 years old," oh brother. I'm 20 years older than you and make you look like a pudgy dough boy.
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What are you talking about, dipshit?
I have a degree in Math and Applied Science from UCLA and work as an engineer so don't talk to me about science. And this coming from a 30 year old "student."
BTW, even as a full time student and supporting myself working 7 days a week I still had the discipline to train regularly. Whereas you, always putting himself out as some authority, has to make excuses while he doesn't train and is out of shape: "30 years old/full time student" LOL! You're a weak willed pussy and alcoholic. "30 years old," oh brother. I'm 20 years older than you and make you look like a pudgy dough boy.
I heard that bro.
No matter how busy I am I can still go over to my weight bench and lift for 30 minutes a few times a week.
I'm hitting legs right now actually. Got a lady coming over in 30 minutes for a long hard fucking. You just get that workout anytime you can like a true winner.
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I heard that bro.
No matter how busy I am I can still go over to my weight bench and lift for 30 minutes a few times a week.
I'm hitting legs right now actually. Got a lady coming over in 30 minutes for a long hard fucking. You just get that workout anytime you can like a true winner.
Not when your Methhead MIke that can't keep away from the bottle.
BTW, monster props for being so virile after legs. At my age I have to do legs on my day off because I'm shot after that. I can't even rub one out even with a shot of cialis. Enjoy it while you can.
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I can't even rub one out even with a shot of cialis.
Up the dosage my brother!! lol ;D
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Up the dosage my brother!! lol ;D
LOL! So are you going to get progress pics on your way to the Masters?
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Not when your Methhead MIke that can't keep away from the bottle.
BTW, monster props for being so virile after legs. At my age I have to do legs on my day off because I'm shot after that. I can't even rub one out even with a shot of cialis. Enjoy it while you can.
Man I do get sore as hell sometimes and it really messes me up. Sometimes I feel really trashed after legs. But I guess i'm just a masochist. I've always loved the feeling of hitting legs hard and feeling sore as hell afterwards. When the soreness catches up with me and gets too bad i'll just skip a leg workout and then I come back strong the next week.
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Subscribed - I wana get shrink wrapped skin
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Man I do get sore as hell sometimes and it really messes me up. Sometimes I feel really trashed after legs. But I guess i'm just a masochist. I've always loved the feeling of hitting legs hard and feeling sore as hell afterwards. When the soreness catches up with me and gets too bad i'll just skip a leg workout and then I come back strong the next week.
Not just a masochist but a nut! You draw a lot of hate here but you crack me up. The way you drive people nuts here is hilarious. Top tier ownage skills indeed.
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Not just a masochist but a nut! You draw a lot of hate here but you crack me up. The way you drive people nuts here is hilarious. Top tier ownage skills indeed.
Thanks a lot brother.
You are a man of impecable taste and a keen eye for the high aesthetic.
Cheers. :D
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Subscribed - I wana get shrink wrapped skin
But what's the point if you can only do it short term? Unless it's for a show or something. Can low dose aldactone year round keep one fairly dry without health issues? I thought that's what masterona was for?
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Man I do get sore as hell sometimes and it really messes me up. Sometimes I feel really trashed after legs. But I guess i'm just a masochist. I've always loved the feeling of hitting legs hard and feeling sore as hell afterwards. When the soreness catches up with me and gets too bad i'll just skip a leg workout and then I come back strong the next week.
I can't even imagine how fierce your leg workouts are in your homegym... ::) ::)
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I can't even imagine how fierce your leg workouts are in your homegym... ::) ::)
Will you two stop fighting. You both are in Japana so there's nothing a platter of sushi can't solve.
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Will you two stop fighting. You both are in Japana so there's nothing a platter of sushi can't solve.
Bullshit, he's not in Japan, he's in Vietnam.
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Not when your Methhead MIke that can't keep away from the bottle.
BTW, monster props for being so virile after legs. At my age I have to do legs on my day off because I'm shot after that. I can't even rub one out even with a shot of cialis. Enjoy it while you can.
He is also a 30 year old that still lives with his parents
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He is also a 30 year old that still lives with his parents
bwahaahah, it's getting better and better.
30 year old alcoholic living with his parents that keeps all his steroid gains and will turn the first natural IFBB pro in three years. ::) ::)
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He is also a 30 year old that still lives with his parents
LOL! I was out on my own six months after graduating high school. But that was a time when a man wanted to be independent and out on his own even if it meant roughing it a bit. Queers like MM can't cut the umbilical cord and stay a mamma's boy forever. As women have gotten more masculine in our culture men have gotten more feminine. Go figure.
But in between his meals his mommy prepares and his drunken stupor he's hitting the gym hard to show us up as he claims.
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bwahaahah, it's getting better and better.
30 year old alcoholic living with his parents that keeps all his steroid gains and will turn the first natural IFBB pro in three years. ::) ::)
Will be quite a feat as he often ''doesnt feel like training'' ::) what a beast
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LOL! I was out on my own six months after graduating high school. But that was a time when a man wanted to be independent and out on his own even if it meant roughing it a bit. Queers like MM can't cut the umbilical cord and stay a mamma's boy forever. As women have gotten more masculine in our culture men have gotten more feminine. Go figure.
But in between his meals his mommy prepares and his drunken stupor he's hitting the gym hard to show us up as he claims.
Roughing it a bit is what made a boy into a man ;D mongo mike lives in a drunken world of ''tomorrow ill work out'' and ''i used to be xxxlbs and jacked'' ::)
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Will be quite a feat as he often ''doesnt feel like training'' ::) what a beast
Doesn't feel like training = waking up in his own puke on the next morning.
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Doesn't feel like training = waking up in his own puke on the next morning.
A regular occurrence for moron mike
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A regular occurrence for moron mike
Thanks god that mom will clean up the mess. ::) ::)
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Thanks god that mom will clean up the mess. ::) ::)
But she also provides him with allowance money which he spends on cheap moonshine
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But what's the point if you can only do it short term? Unless it's for a show or something. Can low dose aldactone year round keep one fairly dry without health issues? I thought that's what masterona was for?
yes shows and pics :)
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But what's the point if you can only do it short term? Unless it's for a show or something. Can low dose aldactone year round keep one fairly dry without health issues? I thought that's what masterona was for?
Its good if you are on holidays or want to "impress" chicks at a party...or even for a wedding and any special occassion...its good
But definately not year-round. :-X
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you fellas need to ask yourself the following when thinking about the cult you are part of ,,
1. when was last time anyone of those misereble lizards the coach ,,noelfulershit,, etc ever answered a question of you in regarding hormones,, when did they answer a question inregard diuretic? when did they answer question completely inregard to doses and legit products in the cult,,you need to ask you yourself when was the last time dantas came to tell you about hgh power rather than his garbage grass protien ,,you need to sk yourself when was last time getny came to tell you that 250lb is perfectly possible at 6% naturaly if you were just born right... (then pming gh15 asking about trenbolona sources),,you should ask yourself when was last time someone came to you with out the mission of abusing you and rob your money ,,,when was this last time?
when was the last time any top cult member came to help you with testosterona protocols,,when was the last time tropopina the trainer came here and told you straight out the way to load hgh and the blits of aas that come with it and right after it ,,when did he come here to tell you this? NEVER he and the coach ,,and the dantas and the noelos,,they all come with agendas of getting clients,,getting more customers,,everything done for money and even then it is not done in truthful way but in their way of squizing every little bit of money out of your pocket,,
a bodybuild ,,typical bodybuild wil never share his so call secrets,,they dont want you to be like them ,,they want to be considered genetically special while in reaility they are not,,we are not geneticaly anything,,many of us look much worse than you off hormones...see kevin who look like he has hiv..he doesnt btu he is just so much hormeless in the body ,,his body doesnt produce nothing anymore that if he is not on hrt he within weeks become shadow of a human ...
stop what ever you doing rigth now ,,unless you are getting blow job from a hot whore,,and think and ask yourself when was last time when twister... (coach) told you about anything other than his new 1/10 famous client from some no where to be heard mma organization ,, and when was the last time he atualy told you the cycles that go into those fellas training,, when did he do that? THATS RIGHT ,,NEVER,,even if he did he would lie,,its his second nature to lie,,
ask yourself when was last time rodrigez came here to tell you a thing about hormones? never ever ,,but did he help you with training? noooo he came to get publicity becaus he knew gh15 was here and the all world is reading this boarding,,so he came here so everyone can see him and know he is the up and coming fake natural ,,then left with shame ,, he didnt help you in nothing aside from ABUSING you once again
ask yourself when was the last time ...philsulina came here and aside from his house and car talked about anything in regard to loading ummm insulina! when was it? you got that right NEVER
and the list go on and on and on ,,its all same thing,,like we all look alike on stage,,its almost like its a silent agreement to be asshole and nto share information ,,truthful information among cult members for those abusers need you to sponsor them! ,,this should not last anymore,,i know many of my pupils will continue to develop and they themselves will come out and do greeat things and help the cult ,,look at professional ifbb hungarian steve ,,he help quite a bit and its a great example of what i wanted to change,,there are few more,,
but! ask yourself when was mishkp here last time talking about anything other than his snake oil?? when was he saying to you the true protocol of his hgh and insulina loads? YOU GOT THAT RIGHT NEVER!
ask yourself when wass the last time anyone was here for other reason beside abusing you,,
THEY WANT YOUR MONEY,,YOU SHOULD NOT GIVE IT OUT!,,insted you should follow the bible ,,and become just as good bodybuild as they! and you will surpass them if you believ in yourself and actualy learn the bible!
gh15 approved
Though DC does help out people on Skips board, I agree with the rest, can't argue with that! BTW, you forgot to add the Harnon Fella ;)
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When was the last time gh15 answered anything about training or diet?
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When was the last time gh15 answered anything about training or diet?
You should actually try and read his posts, he talks about sushi and hamburgers all the time.
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Kinda hard to read past the reptitive drug rhetoric.
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Kinda hard to read past the reptitive drug rhetoric.
yeah for once i have to agree with you, it starts to get a bit repetitive at times. ;D
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Wasn't Mike Mentzer known for doing hours of amphetamine-fueled cardio?
True dat ;D And Zane did a bit of running as well for contest prep. Not much running though, as he usually stayed at around 12 to 20 minutes per run.
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I was a competitive bodybuilder and powerlifter in the 80's. I knew every drug dealer in the country worth knowing and every doctor in the 80's worth knowing. What is your question?
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I was a competitive bodybuilder and powerlifter in the 80's. I knew every drug dealer in the country worth knowing and every doctor in the 80's worth knowing. What is your question?
How many licks does it take to get to the Tootsie Roll center of a Tootsie Pop?
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I was a competitive bodybuilder and powerlifter in the 80's. I knew every drug dealer in the country worth knowing and every doctor in the 80's worth knowing. What is your question?
Just spill it, everything that is on your mind. ;D ;D
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I was a competitive bodybuilder and powerlifter in the 80's. I knew every drug dealer in the country worth knowing and every doctor in the 80's worth knowing. What is your question?
question is since these guys in the 80s like makkawy and bannout looked great on stage I was wondering how they got contest ready since they did not have access to the ped's of todays bb's.
with getting ready I mean apart from the peds they might have taken.. did they do high reps, cardio and especially what diets were popular then?